I'm trying to get myself back into forum life. So here goes, my gift to you all :lulz:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vGpdM3qG84
I see you that and raise you with this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDocGfvYmBM)
Quote from: Lies on January 20, 2011, 03:48:46 AM
I see you that and raise you with this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDocGfvYmBM)
uhh...wow...that's...uhh....um....
My job here is done :lulz:
Jesus fucking christ, do people in Australia think that kind of shit is OK? Wow.
Quote from: Nigel on January 20, 2011, 08:21:10 AM
Jesus fucking christ, do people in Australia think that kind of shit is OK? Wow.
Seems that Australia is the last bastion of 'blackface' shows. [shudder]
Quote from: Nigel on January 20, 2011, 08:21:10 AM
Jesus fucking christ, do people in Australia think that kind of shit is OK? Wow.
Well, they got all the "ethnics" off the beaches, right?
After seeing that link, that's the last time I'll ever trust an Outback commercial.
Quote from: Mangrove on January 20, 2011, 06:18:19 PM
After seeing that link, that's the last time I'll ever trust an Outback commercial.
Wise man.
Quote from: Mangrove on January 20, 2011, 06:02:46 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 20, 2011, 08:21:10 AM
Jesus fucking christ, do people in Australia think that kind of shit is OK? Wow.
Seems that Australia is the last bastion of 'blackface' shows. [shudder]
No, Japan and China still love the blackface/gollywog stuff. Of its just the tip of the iceberg of a great many things in their culture that would be considered pretty offensive over here.
Quote from: Lies on January 20, 2011, 03:48:46 AM
I see you that and raise you with this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDocGfvYmBM)
You should probably burn Australia down, now.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 21, 2011, 12:48:03 AM
Quote from: Lies on January 20, 2011, 03:48:46 AM
I see you that and raise you with this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDocGfvYmBM)
You should probably burn Australia down, now.
It does it to itself on a yearly basis.
In the Netherlands we have a yearly festival that involves blackface.
The worst song I could find that involves it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKaimTAyUWY
Quote from: Lies on January 21, 2011, 12:58:08 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 21, 2011, 12:48:03 AM
Quote from: Lies on January 20, 2011, 03:48:46 AM
I see you that and raise you with this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDocGfvYmBM)
You should probably burn Australia down, now.
It does it to itself on a yearly basis.
When it's not trying to drown itself that is.
It's like a ritual cleansing or something.
Quote from: Faust on January 21, 2011, 12:47:43 AM
Quote from: Mangrove on January 20, 2011, 06:02:46 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 20, 2011, 08:21:10 AM
Jesus fucking christ, do people in Australia think that kind of shit is OK? Wow.
Seems that Australia is the last bastion of 'blackface' shows. [shudder]
No, Japan and China still love the blackface/gollywog stuff. Of its just the tip of the iceberg of a great many things in their culture that would be considered pretty offensive over here.
Yeah, that would explain this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfX8pOiuWFc
Oh wow. At first I thought it might be a sign of affection in warped views, and then the trumpet fell apart.
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on January 21, 2011, 12:53:07 PM
Quote from: Faust on January 21, 2011, 12:47:43 AM
Quote from: Mangrove on January 20, 2011, 06:02:46 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 20, 2011, 08:21:10 AM
Jesus fucking christ, do people in Australia think that kind of shit is OK? Wow.
Seems that Australia is the last bastion of 'blackface' shows. [shudder]
No, Japan and China still love the blackface/gollywog stuff. Of its just the tip of the iceberg of a great many things in their culture that would be considered pretty offensive over here.
Yeah, that would explain this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfX8pOiuWFc
Mind Officially Blown.
*Jaw hits floor*
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on January 21, 2011, 12:53:07 PM
Quote from: Faust on January 21, 2011, 12:47:43 AM
Quote from: Mangrove on January 20, 2011, 06:02:46 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 20, 2011, 08:21:10 AM
Jesus fucking christ, do people in Australia think that kind of shit is OK? Wow.
Seems that Australia is the last bastion of 'blackface' shows. [shudder]
No, Japan and China still love the blackface/gollywog stuff. Of its just the tip of the iceberg of a great many things in their culture that would be considered pretty offensive over here.
Yeah, that would explain this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfX8pOiuWFc
I... uh... I ... I can't even form a coherent thought as to what I just watched... wow...
Have a go on this then. Not racist, but certainly a horrible act of gratuitous violence against music itself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQt-h753jHI
Quote from: BadBeast on January 21, 2011, 02:34:32 PM
Have a go on this then. Not racist, but certainly a horrible act of gratuitous violence against music itself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQt-h753jHI
I see you that and raise you this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaaI6eciCrc)
Quote from: Lies on January 21, 2011, 02:35:38 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on January 21, 2011, 02:34:32 PM
Have a go on this then. Not racist, but certainly a horrible act of gratuitous violence against music itself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQt-h753jHI
I see you that and raise you this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaaI6eciCrc)
Damn! I got nothing that'll beat that! *Throws cards down*
Quote from: Lies on January 21, 2011, 02:18:50 PM
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on January 21, 2011, 12:53:07 PM
Quote from: Faust on January 21, 2011, 12:47:43 AM
Quote from: Mangrove on January 20, 2011, 06:02:46 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 20, 2011, 08:21:10 AM
Jesus fucking christ, do people in Australia think that kind of shit is OK? Wow.
Seems that Australia is the last bastion of 'blackface' shows. [shudder]
No, Japan and China still love the blackface/gollywog stuff. Of its just the tip of the iceberg of a great many things in their culture that would be considered pretty offensive over here.
Yeah, that would explain this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfX8pOiuWFc
Mind Officially Blown.
Apart from musical taste, is this actually "wrong" or even racist, though?
If he's impersonating Louis Armstrong, painting his face is pretty much the same thing as an Elvis impersonator wearing a wig. He's not ridiculing black people, just a guy trying real hard to look like Armstrong.
Quote from: Triple Zero on January 22, 2011, 01:04:10 AM
Quote from: Lies on January 21, 2011, 02:18:50 PM
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on January 21, 2011, 12:53:07 PM
Quote from: Faust on January 21, 2011, 12:47:43 AM
Quote from: Mangrove on January 20, 2011, 06:02:46 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 20, 2011, 08:21:10 AM
Jesus fucking christ, do people in Australia think that kind of shit is OK? Wow.
Seems that Australia is the last bastion of 'blackface' shows. [shudder]
No, Japan and China still love the blackface/gollywog stuff. Of its just the tip of the iceberg of a great many things in their culture that would be considered pretty offensive over here.
Yeah, that would explain this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfX8pOiuWFc
Mind Officially Blown.
Apart from musical taste, is this actually "wrong" or even racist, though?
If he's impersonating Louis Armstrong, painting his face is pretty much the same thing as an Elvis impersonator wearing a wig. He's not ridiculing black people, just a guy trying real hard to look like Armstrong.
I don't think it's racist, not really, because he does such a good impression of Armstrong, and he obviously didn't pick him because of his colour, but because he obviously loves his music.
Japanese are strange like that with their impersonators. They have most of the worlds Elvis impersonators there too. It's like a National Sport.
Quote from: Triple Zero on January 22, 2011, 01:04:10 AM
Quote from: Lies on January 21, 2011, 02:18:50 PM
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on January 21, 2011, 12:53:07 PM
Quote from: Faust on January 21, 2011, 12:47:43 AM
Quote from: Mangrove on January 20, 2011, 06:02:46 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 20, 2011, 08:21:10 AM
Jesus fucking christ, do people in Australia think that kind of shit is OK? Wow.
Seems that Australia is the last bastion of 'blackface' shows. [shudder]
No, Japan and China still love the blackface/gollywog stuff. Of its just the tip of the iceberg of a great many things in their culture that would be considered pretty offensive over here.
Yeah, that would explain this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfX8pOiuWFc
Mind Officially Blown.
Apart from musical taste, is this actually "wrong" or even racist, though?
If he's impersonating Louis Armstrong, painting his face is pretty much the same thing as an Elvis impersonator wearing a wig. He's not ridiculing black people, just a guy trying real hard to look like Armstrong.
I don't think it's racist, personally. It doesn't perpetuate stereotypes, the guy didn't do anything particularly mocking (well, except maybe the trumpet thing, but I think that was more offensive to musicians than black people), and there was no "oh look, he's in blackface, how hilarious!", at least not that I could tell. But yeah, different culture standards. That wouldn't fly in the U.S. of A.
Plus,the Japanese haven't had very much cultural crossover with Black people. If they were going to do a racist thing, they would target the Chinese or the Koreans, I would have thought. They have had lots of cultural conflict there in the not so distant past.
I would disagree with that...
the Japanese think very low of black people). in my experience they believe they are a superior race in general, but they put blacks at the bottom of their hierarchy.
i think their lack of crossover might account for the lack of vitriol in their bigotry (as there hasn't ever been threat/fear), but them seeing black people as clownish doesn't really make them innocent of racism.
I suppose if you look at it like that, then they are racist. However I don't think the Louis Armstrong impersonator was even thinking of race here. He did his act completely like a tribute, rather than as a pisstake. I didn't get the slightest impression that race was being played for laughs, or as a belittlement.
Which I totally did with the Australian clip.
Quote from: BadBeast on January 22, 2011, 02:09:19 AM
I suppose if you look at it like that, then they are racist. However I don't think the Louis Armstrong impersonator was even thinking of race here. He did his act completely like a tribute, rather than as a pisstake. I didn't get the slightest impression that race was being played for laughs, or as a belittlement.
Which I totally did with the Australian clip.
This. Not that you don't have a valid point, Ippy, but it seems less like racism and more like a tribute than the Australian thing did. Not that there isn't something inherently ridiculous about seeing a Japanese dude in blackface, but... you know.
hm...
i think it's like i said about them not ever having been 'threatened' by the presence of black people that accounts for the subtlety in their racism.
or maybe i'm wrong...
:)
Quote from: Iptuous on January 22, 2011, 02:20:28 AM
hm...
i think it's like i said about them not ever having been 'threatened' by the presence of black people that accounts for the subtlety in their racism.
or maybe i'm wrong...
:)
Could be. Who knows?
The Japanese have never been subtle in their racism against, for example the Chinese, but like you said, it could be down to the lack of any historical or geographical threat. But I'm not trying to say that the Japanese aren't racist, they're human, so they are subject to similar cultural pressures as the rest of us. It's just that racism usually has a very particular stink about it, that is totally lacking here.
Quote from: Triple Zero on January 22, 2011, 01:04:10 AM
Quote from: Lies on January 21, 2011, 02:18:50 PM
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on January 21, 2011, 12:53:07 PM
Quote from: Faust on January 21, 2011, 12:47:43 AM
Quote from: Mangrove on January 20, 2011, 06:02:46 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 20, 2011, 08:21:10 AM
Jesus fucking christ, do people in Australia think that kind of shit is OK? Wow.
Seems that Australia is the last bastion of 'blackface' shows. [shudder]
No, Japan and China still love the blackface/gollywog stuff. Of its just the tip of the iceberg of a great many things in their culture that would be considered pretty offensive over here.
Yeah, that would explain this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfX8pOiuWFc
Mind Officially Blown.
Apart from musical taste, is this actually "wrong" or even racist, though?
If he's impersonating Louis Armstrong, painting his face is pretty much the same thing as an Elvis impersonator wearing a wig. He's not ridiculing black people, just a guy trying real hard to look like Armstrong.
It goes back to minstrel heritage. While that act may not have been a minstrel act, it damn well came off as one when they started doing the slapstick routine.
wow, that broke my fucking brain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIE3dIzypXI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIE3dIzypXI) Japanese Bruce Willis
Quote from: Faust on January 22, 2011, 11:11:40 AM
It goes back to minstrel heritage. While that act may not have been a minstrel act, it damn well came off as one when they started doing the slapstick routine.
Ok that might change it a bit, I didn't watch it until the end, so I assumed he just kept singing and doing his impersonation.
I don't really want or care enough to subject myself to the entire thing, so I'll just let it remain in a superposition of quantum-racism.