In a far flung corner of northern Afghanistan, Aziza reaches into the dark wooden cupboard, rummages around, and pulls out a small lump of something wrapped in plastic.
She unwraps it, breaking off a small chunk as if it were chocolate, and feeds it to four-year-old son, Omaidullah. It's his breakfast -- a lump of pure opium.
"If I don't give him opium he doesn't sleep," she says. "And he doesn't let me work."
Aziza comes from a poor family of carpet weavers in Balkh province. She has no education, no idea of the health risks involved or that opium is addictive.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/01/20/afghan.opium.kids/index.html?hpt=C1
Sweet merciful fuck.
I'm not surprised--it's not like Afghanistan has a bastion of "Back to Sleep" and "SIDS" parent education classes out there. And though drug use is prohibited unless for medication in Islam, that doesn't keep family traditions from playing out, either.
But then, my own grandfather put beer in our baby bottles to make us go to sleep faster, longer and better when he watched us.
We do the same thing, only we typically don't use chemicals, we use colorful, happy cartoons.
Have you ever watched a "Baby Einstein" DVD without any kids around?
Holy shit. Your mind simply dissolves.
It occurs to me after reading Rogers most recent rant, combined with the comments that one drug is as addictive as the other.
Quote from: Charley Brown on January 24, 2011, 05:00:08 PM
It occurs to me after reading Rogers most recent rant, combined with the comments that one drug is as addictive as the other.
Someone read that? :lulz:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 24, 2011, 05:00:45 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on January 24, 2011, 05:00:08 PM
It occurs to me after reading Rogers most recent rant, combined with the comments that one drug is as addictive as the other.
Someone read that? :lulz:
I am working on a reply.
Those poor people out there. They just don't understand.
It's also frightening to think that it's cheaper than feeding your family too.
Yeah, my husband's grandmother totally gave her kids opium when they had teething issues or whathaveyou. Again, I liken it to the way whiskey etc. is used for "home remedies"...something that's probably on the wane in a lot of American culture today, but hasn't been left behind 100%.
Sad thing is, how to raise a nation full of intelligent people eager to learn if they're drugged since they're babies? :( THAT'S the real scary part.
Quote from: Jenne on January 24, 2011, 05:13:04 PM
Yeah, my husband's grandmother totally gave her kids opium when they had teething issues or whathaveyou. Again, I liken it to the way whiskey etc. is used for "home remedies"...something that's probably on the wane in a lot of American culture today, but hasn't been left behind 100%.
Sad thing is, how to raise a nation full of intelligent people eager to learn if they're drugged since they're babies? :( THAT'S the real scary part.
Opium or Ritalin? Either one's okay, because I'm up for
any program!
If it's any consolation, it looks like the so-called "Crack Babies" turned out ok...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/27/health/27iht-coca.1.19712373.html
QuoteWhen the use of crack cocaine became a nationwide epidemic in the United States the 1980s and '90s, there were widespread fears that prenatal exposure to the drug would produce a generation of severely damaged children. Newspapers carried headlines like "Cocaine: A Vicious Assault on a Child," "Crack's Toll Among Babies: A Joyless View" and "Studies: Future Bleak for Crack Babies."
But now researchers are systematically following children who were exposed to cocaine before birth, and their findings suggest that the encouraging stories of Yvette H.'s daughters are anything but unusual.
So far, these scientists say, the long-term effects of such exposure on children's brain development and behavior appear relatively small.
Cold comfort. There are plenty of more ubiquitous addictions that will fuck a kid up. Television and Ritalin come to mind.
Let's not forget that a lot of higher-end pharmaceuticals marketed today are....what? OH YEAH! OPIATES!
Face it, if you've ever taken a Vicodin to relieve pain, or oxycodone has been prescribed for you after an operation, or taken codeine for strep throat....
you've used opium.
But.....
giving it to a child to shut them up?
ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..................not so much a good idea......
but we'll give the kids lots of other designer crap to shut them up so that we can get through our day.
Used to rub whiskey with sugar in it on the kids gums when they were teething.
When I was a Baby, there used to be "Gripe Water" containing opium for sale. You can still buy it, but now it doesn't have opium in it. I remember getting it for my two, and the smell of it took me right back to babyness.
Morphine was originally developed as a preparation to wean people off Opium. Heroin was developed to wean people off Morphine. Now it's popular to wean people off Heroin with Methadone. (A far more addictive drug than Heroin) IMO, Opium is a far more useful medicine than any of the above. The more you fuck around with a natural drug to "isolate"it's properties, the more addictive it seems to become. (For example, Coca leaves-Cocaine hydrachloride-Crack)
Remember kids first ones ten years are free.
Quote from: Charley Brown on January 24, 2011, 10:36:57 PM
Used to rub whiskey with sugar in it on the kids gums when they were teething.
I want to as well but Thetis says modern teething tabs/toys to chew on is better
Quote from: Able on January 24, 2011, 11:21:11 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on January 24, 2011, 10:36:57 PM
Used to rub whiskey with sugar in it on the kids gums when they were teething.
I want to as well but Thetis says modern teething tabs/toys to chew on is better
My granny was a lot smarter than Thetis.
Quote from: Charley Brown on January 24, 2011, 11:28:44 PM
Quote from: Able on January 24, 2011, 11:21:11 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on January 24, 2011, 10:36:57 PM
Used to rub whiskey with sugar in it on the kids gums when they were teething.
I want to as well but Thetis says modern teething tabs/toys to chew on is better
My granny was a lot smarter than Thetis.
My Gran used to rub Brandy on my gums, we followed her example with both our kids, and neither of them are alcoholics yet. Also, Alcohol softens the gum tissue and makes it easier for teeth to push up through.
Quote from: Charley Brown on January 24, 2011, 11:28:44 PM
Quote from: Able on January 24, 2011, 11:21:11 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on January 24, 2011, 10:36:57 PM
Used to rub whiskey with sugar in it on the kids gums when they were teething.
I want to as well but Thetis says modern teething tabs/toys to chew on is better
My granny was a lot smarter than Thetis.
That comes with age I'm sure, think its just like OMG your giving him booze reaction since her mother drinks like a Templar
My granny used to beat us with a big shitty stick anytime we cried.
So we learned to not cry. And we pushed the old bitch down the stairs.
Quote from: Able on January 24, 2011, 11:21:11 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on January 24, 2011, 10:36:57 PM
Used to rub whiskey with sugar in it on the kids gums when they were teething.
I want to as well but Thetis says modern teething tabs/toys to chew on is better
Yes. But there is only so much you can do to stop the pain of hard white things trying to bust through soft fleshy things filled with nerves.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 25, 2011, 12:09:04 AM
My granny used to beat us with a big shitty stick anytime we cried.
So we learned to not cry. And we pushed the old bitch down the stairs.
:lulz:
I'm sure my paternal grandmother gave me something to help me sleep when I was at her house. Dunno what it was, since she's very much into homeopathic remedies, but it sure put me out.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 25, 2011, 12:09:04 AM
My granny used to beat us with a big shitty stick anytime we cried.
So we learned to not cry. And we pushed the old bitch down the stairs.
Now we have space robots to do that for us.
PAK CHOOIE UNF (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/terriblesecret)
Quote from: BadBeast on January 24, 2011, 11:35:38 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on January 24, 2011, 11:28:44 PM
Quote from: Able on January 24, 2011, 11:21:11 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on January 24, 2011, 10:36:57 PM
Used to rub whiskey with sugar in it on the kids gums when they were teething.
I want to as well but Thetis says modern teething tabs/toys to chew on is better
My granny was a lot smarter than Thetis.
My Gran used to rub Brandy on my gums, we followed her example with both our kids, and neither of them are alcoholics yet. Also, Alcohol softens the gum tissue and makes it easier for teeth to push up through.
Numbs the gums, too.
Quote from: BadBeast on January 24, 2011, 10:47:01 PM
Morphine was originally developed as a preparation to wean people off Opium. Heroin was developed to wean people off Morphine. Now it's popular to wean people off Heroin with Methadone. (A far more addictive drug than Heroin) IMO, Opium is a far more useful medicine than any of the above. The more you fuck around with a natural drug to "isolate"it's properties, the more addictive it seems to become. (For example, Coca leaves-Cocaine hydrachloride-Crack)
I can verify coca leaves are not addictive at all. Unless you like horribly bitter and leafy tastes in your mouth. The only reason anyone would chew that shit is to help them with the altitude, or religion. It doesn't even make good tea....
Also, it's been shown that crack and cocaine are identical; that is, crack isn't "worse" than powder cocaine... they're both equally shitty.
B-b-b-but cocaine is used by respectable upper middle class people, while crack is dealt in the ghettos. Clearly crack must be the worse drug!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7iAZQlf5_4
Quote from: Suu on January 25, 2011, 03:31:44 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7iAZQlf5_4
:lulz:
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 25, 2011, 01:30:46 PM
Also, it's been shown that crack and cocaine are identical; that is, crack isn't "worse" than powder cocaine... they're both equally shitty.
THIS.
Except the federal government it taking its sweet time in recognizing this and adjusting the disparity in prison time between possession of the two substances. What the Obama administration just did was a step in the right direction but it's still a 16:1 ratio.
That's because Coke is a white college kid's drug, but crack is a black gangbanger's drug.
It's almost as if the drug laws are just a flimsy veil on rounding up undesirables.
Quote from: Slyph on June 20, 2011, 02:16:24 PM
It's almost as if the drug laws are just a flimsy veil on rounding up undesirables.
:lulz: Almost!
The main differencesI think, between US and UK Prisons, is that UK Prisons don't try to punish you while you're in them. Loss of liberty being seen as punishment enough. There is a more regular and steady supply of drugs inside, than there is on the outside, and they are often cheaper too. The amount of weed smoked in one Prison, in one day, far surpasses the amount that could be feasibly smuggled in by visitors, even if they all brought a half oz in, per visitor.
So It's obviously being subsidized and procured by Home Office decree. The last time there was any interference with the distribution chain serving UK Prisons was 1981, and it sparked off a whole series of Prison Riots, some lasting weeks, coincideing with major rioting in one city after another, all summer. After that, (St Pauls, Toxteth, Brixton, Dartmoor, Horfield, Oxford) it was obviously decided that to interfere with the Criminal/Underworld dynamic to this extent was a big costly mistake. The Constabulary even managed to get one of their own butchered. The unfortunate Martyr, (PC Keith "Who makes the best bacon?" Blakelock, was hacked to death by half a dozen 13 + 14 year old boys armed with machetes) the likes of whom hasn't been seen since that WPC got her head shot off by a Libyan Cultural Attache from the Libyan Embassy window.
HEROIN AS A POLICING TOOL
People are now getting introduced to Heroin in Prison, then coming out after six months, with raging habits that need to be fed. That can't be good for the public wellbeing, can it?
Or can it?
The ex-convict with a drug habit is far easier for a Police force to keep track of. They never stray farther away than 5 or six hours from whoever is supplying them with drugs. So if the Police have one dealer under observation, they can keep track on the movements of maybe 50 petty criminals. Any high visibilty, high nuisance factor crime, like burglary, theft, shoplifting, etc will all perpetrated by a small core of these same people, all of whom turn up at a particular place, twice a day, every day, 365 days a year.
The Police don't even need to investigate any further than the nearest likely face . Even if it wasn't them, after 4 or 5 hours of custody, they will start "clucking" and be most conducive to a quick release, and drop the real culprits right into the lap of the Law without a second thought. This makes the Police look as if they are doing far more legwork than they actually do, and provides a regular turnover of grist, so the mills of Justice can be seen to be "working".
Quote from: BadBeast on June 20, 2011, 10:08:59 PM
The main differencesI think, between US and UK Prisons, is that UK Prisons don't try to punish you while you're in them. Loss of liberty being seen as punishment enough. There is a more regular and steady supply of drugs inside, than there is on the outside, and they are often cheaper too. The amount of weed smoked in one Prison, in one day, far surpasses the amount that could be feasibly smuggled in by visitors, even if they all brought a half oz in, per visitor.
So It's obviously being subsidized and procured by Home Office decree. The last time there was any interference with the distribution chain serving UK Prisons was 1981, and it sparked off a whole series of Prison Riots, some lasting weeks, coincideing with major rioting in one city after another, all summer. After that, (St Pauls, Toxteth, Brixton, Dartmoor, Horfield, Oxford) it was obviously decided that to interfere with the Criminal/Underworld dynamic to this extent was a big costly mistake. The Constabulary even managed to get one of their own butchered. The unfortunate Martyr, (PC Keith "Who makes the best bacon?" Blakelock, was hacked to death by half a dozen 13 + 14 year old boys armed with machetes) the likes of whom hasn't been seen since that WPC got her head shot off by a Libyan Cultural Attache from the Libyan Embassy window.
HEROIN AS A POLICING TOOL
People are now getting introduced to Heroin in Prison, then coming out after six months, with raging habits that need to be fed. That can't be good for the public wellbeing, can it?
Or can it?
The ex-convict with a drug habit is far easier for a Police force to keep track of. They never stray farther away than 5 or six hours from whoever is supplying them with drugs. So if the Police have one dealer under observation, they can keep track on the movements of maybe 50 petty criminals. Any high visibilty, high nuisance factor crime, like burglary, theft, shoplifting, etc will all perpetrated by a small core of these same people, all of whom turn up at a particular place, twice a day, every day, 365 days a year.
The Police don't even need to investigate any further than the nearest likely face . Even if it wasn't them, after 4 or 5 hours of custody, they will start "clucking" and be most conducive to a quick release, and drop the real culprits right into the lap of the Law without a second thought. This makes the Police look as if they are doing far more legwork than they actually do, and provides a regular turnover of grist, so the mills of Justice can be seen to be "working".
I'm just :x
Quote from: Your Mom on June 20, 2011, 05:59:48 PM
Quote from: Slyph on June 20, 2011, 02:16:24 PM
It's almost as if the drug laws are just a flimsy veil on rounding up undesirables.
:lulz: Almost!
You two have a very unpatriotic view, you know.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 20, 2011, 10:32:36 PM
Quote from: Your Mom on June 20, 2011, 05:59:48 PM
Quote from: Slyph on June 20, 2011, 02:16:24 PM
It's almost as if the drug laws are just a flimsy veil on rounding up undesirables.
:lulz: Almost!
You two have a very unpatriotic view, you know.
:lulz: