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Principia Discordia => Apple Talk => Topic started by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 26, 2011, 08:09:05 PM

Title: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 26, 2011, 08:09:05 PM
How about a poor mom being robbed of her education, her, dreams, and her ability to secure a better future for her kids by a FELONY CONVICTION for using her father's address to send her kids to a better school?

http://www.blackeconomicdevelopment.com/black-mother-jailed-for-sending-kids-to-white-school-district/

Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 26, 2011, 08:10:55 PM
That's a fucking felony? 

And were the kids living with her father?

(I can't see, the nannywall is being a pain in the arse.)
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: Sister Fracture on January 26, 2011, 08:12:15 PM
QuoteAn Ohio mother of two was sentenced to 10 days in jail and placed on three years probation after sending her kids to a school district in which they did not live. Kelly Williams-Bolar was sentenced by Judge Patricia Cosgrove on Tuesday and will begin serving her sentence immediately.

The jury deliberated for seven hours and the courtroom was packed as the sentence was handed down. She was convicted on two counts of tampering with court records after registering her two girls as living with Williams Bolar's father when they actually lived with her. The family lived in the housing projects in Akron, Ohio, and the father's address was in nearby Copley Township.

Additionally, Williams-Bolar's father, Edward L. Williams, was charged with a fourth-degree felony of grand theft, in which he and his daughter are charged with defrauding the school system for two years of educational services for their girls. The court determined that sending their children to the wrong school was worth $30,500 in tuition.

When I read about this case, a few thoughts went through my mind. First, it's clear that the court is trying to make Kelly Williams-Bolar into an example. Even the judge in the case, Patricia Cosgrove, said that her sentence was appropriate "so that others who think they might defraud the school system perhaps will think twice."

Secondly, it's interesting how courts find it convenient to make someone into an example when they happen to be poor and black. I'd love to see how they prosecute wealthy white women who commit the same offense. Oh, I forgot: Most wealthy white women don't have to send their kids to the schools located near the projects.

Third, I'm not sure why the court is treating this law-abiding mom like a thug who ran into a building with a shotgun and robbed the district of $30,000. Instead, they could simply subtract the amount it costs for her kids to go to the second school from the amount that would be spent for them to attend the first one. I'm sure the difference would still be substantial, since American educational apartheid dictates that schools in poorer neighborhoods are of significantly less quality than other schools. The racial divisions within American schools are nothing less than a blatant and consistent human rights violation and should certainly be treated as such.

A final interesting blow by Judge Cosgrove that reflects the experience of marginalized African Americans in the criminal justice system relates to Williams-Bolar's quest to obtain a teaching degree. The single mother was in school studying to become a teacher so that she could create a better life for her girls. But that won't happen for her family now, given that the judge has all but shut the door on her chance to fulfill her dream:

"Because of the felony conviction, you will not be allowed to get your teaching degree under Ohio law as it stands today," the judge said." The court's taking into consideration that is also a punishment that you will have to serve."

This case is a textbook example of everything that remains racially wrong with America's educational, economic and criminal justice systems. Let's start from the top: Had Ms. Williams-Bolar been white, she likely would never have been prosecuted for this crime in the first place (I'd love for them to show me a white woman in that area who's gone to jail for the same crime). She also is statistically not as likely to be living in a housing project with the need to break an unjust law in order to create a better life for her daughters. Being black is also correlated with the fact that Williams-Bolar likely didn't have the resources to hire the kinds of attorneys who could get her out of this mess (since the average black family's wealth is roughly 1/10 that of white families). Finally, economic inequality is impactful here because that's the reason that Williams-Bolar's school district likely has fewer resources than the school she chose for her kids. In other words, black people have been historically robbed of our economic opportunities, leading to a two-tiered reality that we are then imprisoned for attempting to alleviate. That, my friends, is American Racism 101.

This case is a textbook example of how racial-inequality created during slavery and Jim Crow continues to cripple our nation to this day. There is no logical reason on earth why this mother of two should be dehumanized by going to jail and be left permanently marginalized from future economic and educational opportunities. Even if you believe in the laws that keep poor kids trapped in under-performing schools, the idea that this woman should be sent to jail for demanding educational access is simply ridiculous.
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: Adios on January 26, 2011, 08:13:16 PM
An Ohio mother of two was sentenced to 10 days in jail and placed on three years probation after sending her kids to a school district in which they did not live. Kelly Williams-Bolar was sentenced by Judge Patricia Cosgrove on Tuesday and will begin serving her sentence immediately.

The jury deliberated for seven hours and the courtroom was packed as the sentence was handed down. She was convicted on two counts of tampering with court records after registering her two girls as living with Williams Bolar's father when they actually lived with her. The family lived in the housing projects in Akron, Ohio, and the father's address was in nearby Copley Township.

Additionally, Williams-Bolar's father, Edward L. Williams, was charged with a fourth-degree felony of grand theft, in which he and his daughter are charged with defrauding the school system for two years of educational services for their girls. The court determined that sending their children to the wrong school was worth $30,500 in tuition.
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 26, 2011, 08:16:55 PM
This is pretty fucked up.  The message here is basically segregation in a funny dress.

And how the hell is a school enrollment form a "court record"?
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: Jenne on January 26, 2011, 08:19:06 PM
Nice.  Fuck you Judge Bitchtits and your "how dare she try to get a better life for her kids!"...

Wow.

*angry middle aged white person is VERY angry*
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: Jenne on January 26, 2011, 08:20:09 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 26, 2011, 08:16:55 PM
This is pretty fucked up.  The message here is basically segregation in a funny dress.

And how the hell is a school enrollment form a "court record"?

Fine print, probably, at the bottom, where you sign saying you say all is true and correct, etc.

Piece of SHIT, that Ohio judge is.  And that school district is a piece of shit for bringing suit in the first place.
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 26, 2011, 08:24:57 PM
It occurs to me that suddenly, I have been reduced to a catagory:  Bored Middle-Class White Person.

Which is somehow now okay.
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: Jenne on January 26, 2011, 08:27:46 PM
Aw, I don't know about that, Rog--you're not bored and CERTAINLY not BORING (I've always cottoned to the notion that only boring people are bored).  I think you get restless, but that's not the same thing.
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: Eater of Clowns on January 26, 2011, 08:28:36 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 26, 2011, 08:24:57 PM
It occurs to me that suddenly, I have been reduced to a catagory:  Bored Middle-Class White Person.

Which is somehow now okay.

Nigel's having one of her "little moments" so everyone else gets to be treated like a non-person from her very special and unique perspective.
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 26, 2011, 08:29:39 PM
Quote from: Jenne on January 26, 2011, 08:27:46 PM
Aw, I don't know about that, Rog--you're not bored and CERTAINLY not BORING (I've always cottoned to the notion that only boring people are bored).  I think you get restless, but that's not the same thing.

Not my point.  In the eyes of someone I think of as a friend, I am now reduced to a social class and a race...Alongside everyone else here, apparently.
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: Suu on January 26, 2011, 08:32:53 PM
Oh this is right up my mom's alley. She'd be FUMING.

She fought the desegregation busing in Florida for years because she felt it wasn't fair for the kids to be bussed 120 blocks or more to go to school to meet a quota, and lobbied for school-of-choice laws. They also did pretty much the same thing with my brother when he was zoned to be sent to the all-black ghetto school instead of the white school that I went to after the zoning changed (They do it every 3 years. We ended up moving a lot as a kid so we could stay in the same schools.) They caught onto it and threatened my mom with legal action if she didn't correct it.

Sure enough, my brother goes to Lakewood the next year and gets the shit beat out of him almost every day until he turned around and got himself suspended for defending himself.
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: Jenne on January 26, 2011, 08:33:14 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 26, 2011, 08:29:39 PM
Quote from: Jenne on January 26, 2011, 08:27:46 PM
Aw, I don't know about that, Rog--you're not bored and CERTAINLY not BORING (I've always cottoned to the notion that only boring people are bored).  I think you get restless, but that's not the same thing.

Not my point.  In the eyes of someone I think of as a friend, I am now reduced to a social class and a race...Alongside everyone else here, apparently.

Ah!  Gotcha. 

Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 26, 2011, 08:36:36 PM
We are all here because we have some luxuries we take for granted. I am not exempting myself from that category.

But you can get pissed off about it if you want to. You have that luxury.
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 26, 2011, 08:38:31 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 26, 2011, 08:36:36 PM
We are all here because we have some luxuries we take for granted.

I have that luxury, but I don't take it for granted, these days.  There is a better than even chance that within the next year, I'll be a legal non-person and will be forced to leave the United States.
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: LMNO on January 26, 2011, 08:40:40 PM
Nigel, I know I'm putting my foot in it here, but are you implying that poor black people are incapable of thinking about freedom and inspiring others?

Like, thinking for yourself is some sort of White Privilege?
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 26, 2011, 08:52:07 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 26, 2011, 08:40:40 PM
Nigel, I know I'm putting my foot in it here, but are you implying that poor black people are incapable of thinking about freedom and inspiring others?

Like, thinking for yourself is some sort of White Privilege?


I'm sorely disappointed in you for even thinking that way. It's not just a poor attempt at a low blow, but a willful act of stupidity to imply that the luxury of planning a social agenda online is somehow equal to "thinking for yourself". In this context, white is a condition, not a race. I'm here, aren't I? I didn't give myself a special pass. In this context, I'm as bored, white, and middle-class as you are.

Class issues are real, including the reality that being marginalized due to race or income robs many people of the luxury of deciding what's best for other people.


Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 26, 2011, 08:55:23 PM
What I really love is that the topic of conversation has completely shifted from outrage at an actual heinous act perpetrated on a fellow citizen to personal outrage about being called white.

:lulz:

Priceless. Way to illustrate that position of privilege, everyone! Now get out there and change the world!
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 26, 2011, 08:57:52 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 26, 2011, 08:55:23 PM
What I really love is that the topic of conversation has completely shifted from outrage at an actual heinous act perpetrated on a fellow citizen to personal outrage about being called white.

:lulz:

Priceless. Way to illustrate that position of privilege, everyone! Now get out there and change the world!

I haven't forgotten the OP, Nigel, but the thread title was an obvious distraction.

I have an idea or two...unfortunately, neither idea will get this woman out of jail.  Do you have a suggestion?
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: LMNO on January 26, 2011, 08:59:56 PM
I once made the mistake, coming from a trust fund background, in supposing that leisure helped clear the space in order to help a person think better.  "If you don't have to always worry about where your next meal is coming from," I thought, "then you can spend your time with deeper thoughts."

Yeah, that's a really stupid way to think, and I was barstooled right proper.  But your attitude right now seems to be that the things we're trying to do, which is set up a way for people to help reach their individual goals and fully realize their philosophies, is reserved for the domain of Middle Class White People.  And even if you include yourself in that label, it still seems to leave that implication hanging, that those who are NOT Middle Class White People are either unable or incapable of doing this.

Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: hooplala on January 26, 2011, 09:00:34 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/6JZGL.jpg)
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 26, 2011, 09:02:12 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 26, 2011, 08:59:56 PM
 But your attitude right now seems to be that the things we're trying to do, which is set up a way for people to help reach their individual goals and fully realize their philosophies, is reserved for the domain of Middle Class White People.  

I'm not letting that opinion stop me. 
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 26, 2011, 09:06:39 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 26, 2011, 08:57:52 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 26, 2011, 08:55:23 PM
What I really love is that the topic of conversation has completely shifted from outrage at an actual heinous act perpetrated on a fellow citizen to personal outrage about being called white.

:lulz:

Priceless. Way to illustrate that position of privilege, everyone! Now get out there and change the world!

I haven't forgotten the OP, Nigel, but the thread title was an obvious distraction.

I have an idea or two...unfortunately, neither idea will get this woman out of jail.  Do you have a suggestion?

Yeah, actually. About the only leverage we the people have in this situation is to talk about this. About how fucked up it is. About what a piece of shit the judge is. About how wrong it is to criminalize a person for sending their kids to a better school. Enough publicity might actually change this woman's situation.
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: Cain on January 26, 2011, 09:07:10 PM
QuoteBORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST

Isn't that just about the most succint description of the Tea Party ever devised?
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: Captain Utopia on January 26, 2011, 09:13:02 PM
Fuck, I'm a member of the Tea Party now?  How the hell did that happen?
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 26, 2011, 09:13:28 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 26, 2011, 08:59:56 PM
I once made the mistake, coming from a trust fund background, in supposing that leisure helped clear the space in order to help a person think better.  "If you don't have to always worry about where your next meal is coming from," I thought, "then you can spend your time with deeper thoughts."

Yeah, that's a really stupid way to think, and I was barstooled right proper.  But your attitude right now seems to be that the things we're trying to do, which is set up a way for people to help reach their individual goals and fully realize their philosophies, is reserved for the domain of Middle Class White People.  And even if you include yourself in that label, it still seems to leave that implication hanging, that those who are NOT Middle Class White People are either unable or incapable of doing this.



Wow. Just... wow.

Way to avoid the point and create a red herring.
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 26, 2011, 09:14:16 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 26, 2011, 09:07:10 PM
QuoteBORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST

Isn't that just about the most succint description of the Tea Party ever devised?

It pretty thoroughly sums up everyone who has the time and privilege to Decide What's Best for Everyone.
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 26, 2011, 09:14:47 PM
Quote from: Captain Utopia on January 26, 2011, 09:13:02 PM
Fuck, I'm a member of the Tea Party now?  How the hell did that happen?

By blatant manipulation, of course.
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 26, 2011, 09:14:53 PM
ITT: Bored middle-class white people who are offended at being called middle-class white people.  :lulz:
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on January 26, 2011, 09:17:12 PM
I call False Dichotomy... just because Bored Middle Class White People may want something to rebel against; it doesn't preclude Bored Lower Class, Bored Upper Class, Interested Middle Class or White/Brown/Green/Purple people from also wanting something to rebel against.

EDIT TO ADD:

Besides, didn't the poor people get all their rebelling out during the past couple centuries? It's our turn now bitches!  :lulz:
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: hooplala on January 26, 2011, 09:27:11 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 26, 2011, 09:14:53 PM
ITT: Bored middle-class white people who are offended at being called middle-class white people.  :lulz:

Sounds like "mission accomplished" to me.
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 26, 2011, 09:32:18 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on January 26, 2011, 09:27:11 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 26, 2011, 09:14:53 PM
ITT: Bored middle-class white people who are offended at being called middle-class white people.  :lulz:

Sounds like "mission accomplished" to me.

Yep. 

Now we can all get back to reading about how fucked up everyone's life is, in the Open Bar thread.  Sufficient attention will be paid, and all is right with the universe.
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 26, 2011, 09:32:40 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on January 26, 2011, 09:17:12 PM
I call False Dichotomy... just because Bored Middle Class White People may want something to rebel against; it doesn't preclude Bored Lower Class, Bored Upper Class, Interested Middle Class or White/Brown/Green/Purple people from also wanting something to rebel against.

EDIT TO ADD:

Besides, didn't the poor people get all their rebelling out during the past couple centuries? It's our turn now bitches!  :lulz:

Bingo on the false dichotomy.

There's actually a reason I think it's important to recognize privilege and boredom. That reason is that if you fail to recognize it, it becomes all to easy to assume that our situation is the default situation. That tends to lead to a certain type of judgment that is usually cast against people who do not share our position of luxury.

Bored white people, recognize. Appreciate.
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 26, 2011, 09:36:07 PM
The aforementioned judgment, BTW, is exactly what comes into play when you see people who are dissatisfied not in what THEY are not accomplishing, but with what you are not accomplishing for them.

Whatever happened to "be the change you want to see"?
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 26, 2011, 09:37:06 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 26, 2011, 09:32:18 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on January 26, 2011, 09:27:11 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 26, 2011, 09:14:53 PM
ITT: Bored middle-class white people who are offended at being called middle-class white people.  :lulz:

Sounds like "mission accomplished" to me.

Yep. 

Now we can all get back to reading about how fucked up everyone's life is, in the Open Bar thread.  Sufficient attention will be paid, and all is right with the universe.

Right. It's clear that we're failing you, and you expect more and better from us.
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 26, 2011, 09:38:05 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 26, 2011, 09:37:06 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 26, 2011, 09:32:18 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on January 26, 2011, 09:27:11 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 26, 2011, 09:14:53 PM
ITT: Bored middle-class white people who are offended at being called middle-class white people.  :lulz:

Sounds like "mission accomplished" to me.

Yep. 

Now we can all get back to reading about how fucked up everyone's life is, in the Open Bar thread.  Sufficient attention will be paid, and all is right with the universe.

Right. It's clear that we're failing you, and you expect more and better from us.

Who is "us"?

You are the board spokesman, now?
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 26, 2011, 09:38:59 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 26, 2011, 09:38:05 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 26, 2011, 09:37:06 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 26, 2011, 09:32:18 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on January 26, 2011, 09:27:11 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 26, 2011, 09:14:53 PM
ITT: Bored middle-class white people who are offended at being called middle-class white people.  :lulz:

Sounds like "mission accomplished" to me.

Yep. 

Now we can all get back to reading about how fucked up everyone's life is, in the Open Bar thread.  Sufficient attention will be paid, and all is right with the universe.

Right. It's clear that we're failing you, and you expect more and better from us.

Who is "us"?

You are the board spokesman, now?

I don't know... who is "we"?
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on January 26, 2011, 09:39:29 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 26, 2011, 09:32:40 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on January 26, 2011, 09:17:12 PM
I call False Dichotomy... just because Bored Middle Class White People may want something to rebel against; it doesn't preclude Bored Lower Class, Bored Upper Class, Interested Middle Class or White/Brown/Green/Purple people from also wanting something to rebel against.

EDIT TO ADD:

Besides, didn't the poor people get all their rebelling out during the past couple centuries? It's our turn now bitches!  :lulz:

Bingo on the false dichotomy.

There's actually a reason I think it's important to recognize privilege and boredom. That reason is that if you fail to recognize it, it becomes all to easy to assume that our situation is the default situation. That tends to lead to a certain type of judgment that is usually cast against people who do not share our position of luxury.

Bored white people, recognize. Appreciate.

Its true, I mean the purple people have been rebelling for decades  against the aliens that come and eat them before singing rock and roll music... and yet no one supports their cause, not even Al Sharpton (and he will fucking anything).
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 26, 2011, 09:40:01 PM
Speaking for myself, I'm not sure I appreciate being told I'm not doing enough to entertain you and change the world.

Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 26, 2011, 09:40:57 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 26, 2011, 09:40:01 PM
Speaking for myself, I'm not sure I appreciate being told I'm not doing enough to entertain you and change the world.



I never said anything of the kind.

But you won't be happy until there's a huge screaming fight to ease your butthurt - over whatever it is this time - so have at it.

Let me know when you're done.
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: Adios on January 26, 2011, 09:44:22 PM

I just don't think I'm good enough to help now.
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 26, 2011, 09:59:50 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 26, 2011, 09:40:57 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 26, 2011, 09:40:01 PM
Speaking for myself, I'm not sure I appreciate being told I'm not doing enough to entertain you and change the world.



I never said anything of the kind.

But you won't be happy until there's a huge screaming fight to ease your butthurt - over whatever it is this time - so have at it.

Let me know when you're done.

I'm not fighting. And I haven't gotten personal - not sure why you and Charley want to take it into that realm, but I'm not interested in going there. I'm not mad at you, Roger, I just have a different opinion about organizing and what's important. Same opinion I've always had, only usually I'm butting heads with Cram over it, not you.
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: Suu on January 26, 2011, 10:08:30 PM
Back to the OP...

If anyone wants to piss off a Republican POS on my facebook, now is the time to do it.

http://www.facebook.com/kaousuu/posts/196246307057391
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 26, 2011, 10:09:25 PM
Quote from: Suu on January 26, 2011, 10:08:30 PM
Back to the OP...

If anyone wants to piss off a Republican POS on my facebook, now is the time to do it.

http://www.facebook.com/kaousuu/posts/196246307057391

Will get on that at home.
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: Suu on January 26, 2011, 10:13:43 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 26, 2011, 10:09:25 PM
Quote from: Suu on January 26, 2011, 10:08:30 PM
Back to the OP...

If anyone wants to piss off a Republican POS on my facebook, now is the time to do it.

http://www.facebook.com/kaousuu/posts/196246307057391

Will get on that at home.

It's gonna get good.

"I don't care about what color she is, but she made the news because she's black."
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: the last yatto on January 26, 2011, 10:27:01 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 26, 2011, 09:32:18 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on January 26, 2011, 09:27:11 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 26, 2011, 09:14:53 PM
ITT: Bored middle-class white people who are offended at being called middle-class white people.  :lulz:

Sounds like "mission accomplished" to me.

Yep. 

Now we can all get back to reading about how fucked up everyone's life is, in the Open Bar thread.  Sufficient attention will be paid, and all is right with the universe.

Still think a game of SINK is called for
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: Sister Fracture on January 26, 2011, 10:30:15 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 26, 2011, 09:32:40 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on January 26, 2011, 09:17:12 PM
I call False Dichotomy... just because Bored Middle Class White People may want something to rebel against; it doesn't preclude Bored Lower Class, Bored Upper Class, Interested Middle Class or White/Brown/Green/Purple people from also wanting something to rebel against.

EDIT TO ADD:

Besides, didn't the poor people get all their rebelling out during the past couple centuries? It's our turn now bitches!  :lulz:

Bingo on the false dichotomy.

There's actually a reason I think it's important to recognize privilege and boredom. That reason is that if you fail to recognize it, it becomes all to easy to assume that our situation is the default situation. That tends to lead to a certain type of judgment that is usually cast against people who do not share our position of luxury.

Bored white people, recognize. Appreciate.

I took several times to rad this post, to make sure I wasn't accidentally misunderstanding.

So, I agree. It is important to recognize privilege and boredom. But who says that posters here don't already understand it? I live in terror of the day my luck finally runs out and my friends finally turn on me (this is more from an abandonment complex than an actual valid fear, but still). And it is a huge shame that I belong to the same species that commits heinous atrocities every day JUST BECAUSE.

But I have no idea how to help. So what do you suggest I do, rather than guilt trip myself?
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on January 26, 2011, 11:02:57 PM
I may be middle class and whitish, but I'm certainly not bored.

I haven't been bored since I started getting disillusioned with the world as a pubescent little fuck.

Privileged, for sure. And I appreciate the reminder—it's easy to lose sight of.
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: E.O.T. on January 27, 2011, 03:53:43 AM
Quote from: Nigel on January 26, 2011, 08:09:05 PM
How about a poor mom being robbed of her education, her, dreams, and her ability to secure a better future for her kids by a FELONY CONVICTION for using her father's address to send her kids to a better school?

http://www.blackeconomicdevelopment.com/black-mother-jailed-for-sending-kids-to-white-school-district/



I CAN'T

           understand this because i'm not black.
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: Sir Squid Diddimus on January 27, 2011, 04:22:32 AM
I think some letters need to be sent to Ohio.


Squid- white, no time to be bored, but privileged enough to have the resources to read about this and do something.
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: Lies on January 27, 2011, 04:25:20 AM
Fuck all this semantics bitching noise crap, I don't care if you're white, brown, pink or purple, the OP IS WHATS FUCKING IMPORTANT, and personally, even though I'm not even a fucking american, I AM FUCKING OUTRAGED AND WANT TO BREAK SHIT.

The things I want to do, I can't even post in this board cus of KYFMS, but lets just say, if I could, I'd be making sure every single mother fucker who was behind her getting arrested will see how much ignorance and stupidity can hurt.
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: aquemini on January 27, 2011, 05:35:14 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 26, 2011, 08:24:57 PM
It occurs to me that suddenly, I have been reduced to a catagory:  Bored Middle-Class White Person.

Well... that's better than being a Bored Working-Class Negro....
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: the last yatto on January 27, 2011, 05:44:43 AM
Quote from: aquemini on January 27, 2011, 05:35:14 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 26, 2011, 08:24:57 PM
It occurs to me that suddenly, I have been reduced to a catagory:  Bored Middle-Class White Person.

Well... that's better than being a Tired Working-Class Mexican....

Fix't
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: Iason Ouabache on January 27, 2011, 08:45:08 AM
Ya'll don't know what it's like being male, middle-class and white!

/Still rockin' the suburbs
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: the last yatto on January 27, 2011, 05:06:54 PM
47 :fnord:
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 27, 2011, 06:19:08 PM
Quote from: aquemini on January 27, 2011, 05:35:14 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 26, 2011, 08:24:57 PM
It occurs to me that suddenly, I have been reduced to a catagory:  Bored Middle-Class White Person.

Well... that's better than being a Bored Working-Class Negro....

:kingmeh:
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: Disco Pickle on January 27, 2011, 06:21:28 PM
She's out of jail, one day early.

going to be appealing the ruling.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/27/mother-who-put-kids-in-wrong-school-released-from-jail-early/?hpt=Sbin

QuoteAn Ohio woman who was jailed for tampering with records to get her children into a better school district has been released from jail a day early, according to a local newspaper.

Kelley Williams-Bolar left the Summit County Jail on Wednesday, having served nine days of her 10-day sentence, the Akron Beacon Journal reported.

Williams-Bolar, a single mother living in subsidized housing in Akron, used her father's address to register her two daughters in the high-achieving suburban Copley-Fairlawn school district.

Copley-Fairlawn said the improper registration cost it $30,000 in lost tuition and $6,000 in investigative costs.

The case has drawn national media attention and outrage, much of it due to its racial undertones: Williams-Bolar is black, while the Copley-Fairlawn schools are predominantly white.

A Google search for Williams-Bolar's name turns up 131,000 results.

Williams-Bolar told CNN affiliate WEWS-TV in Cleveland that she plans to appeal her conviction. The local chapter of the Rev. Al Sharpton's National Action Network is trying to raise money to fund the appeal, the Beacon Journal reported.
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: Jenne on January 27, 2011, 06:43:43 PM
Good!  Good for Rev Al and his people who do this shit on an everyday basis.  I'm glad she's getting help, and fuck that judge, man.  I really hope she gets cancer.

...yeah, I went there.
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: the last yatto on January 27, 2011, 09:09:56 PM
Quote from: Able on January 27, 2011, 05:06:54 PM
47 :fnord:

Brian Poe, the Copley-Fairlawn superintendent, said the district almost always resolves residency cases without involving the courts, but it couldn't work out a resolution with Ms. Williams-Bolar.

"The way I look at it is, the bottom line, you need to follow the law," he said.

Read more: http://www.nationalpost.com/news/world/Mother+jailed+sending+children+better+school/4174718/story.html#ixzz1CGwN1HFN
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on January 27, 2011, 09:18:19 PM
QuoteThe case has upset many people in the area, including the judge who sentenced Ms. Williams-Bolar.

Common Pleas Judge Patricia Cosgrove said the prosecutor's office refused to consider reducing the charges to misdemeanours during numerous closed-door talks to resolve the case outside court

Also:

QuoteThen officials asked her to pay US$30,000, the estimated cost of the four years of schooling received by her children without her paying taxes.

When she refused, they went to court.

$30,000 is a 'resolution' to the problem? FFS!
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: the last yatto on January 27, 2011, 09:27:56 PM
have to see how the other 47 cases were resolved without the courts.
my guess she didnt think it was a big deal they used their daddy's address since he does pay taxes
Title: Re: ATTN BORED MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMETHING TO REBEL AGAINST:
Post by: Jenne on January 27, 2011, 10:30:35 PM
Oh, are we supposed to feel BAD for the judge? Fuck her face, man. That devil-made-me-do-it bullshit worked when Jim Crow wasn't just a historical blight. She effectively sanctioned this bullshit shakedown which should be illegal.