I am listening to a radio interview right now with Australian writer Will Elliot, who was once diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic and wrote a book about that, but in the radio interview he says he has since realized that he was NOT schizophrenic, and his former "hallucinations" were genuine. He believes that he is a higher evolved human with extra strands of DNA which allows him to see through the veil of the illusions of shape shifting reptilians who rule the world.
I mean, ok, for all I know I might be a deluded fool who is manipulated by shape shifting reptilians, but I have no proof of it so I'm not even going to entertain the notion in the meantime, so let's assume these shape shifting reptilians don't exist, for the sake of conversation...
His whole theory is based on the idea that he is special from other people because he can see through the bullshit, and I've seen this behavior presented by other conspiracy people and all I can come up with is that the conspiracy is a necessary bi-product of these massive delusions of grandeur.
Am I mistaken?
I have a relative or two who are conspiracy nuts. And invariably the government or whatever is after them for some unknown reason. So yeah, delusions of grandeur. I've been warned not to talk to people because they might be working for THEM and this shit is INTERNATIONAL. My response is usually some subtle way of pointing out that they're really not important enough to warrant attention.
Do you mean - first accepting ones own greatness, and then inventing an after-the-fact justification for it? Interesting thought.
I think I see some things which other people don't, but my assumption is that I just haven't explained it well enough, yet :) If anything, that makes me less than great :sad:
When my brother had his big schizoid break, he was convinced that he had met Ol Dirty Bastard (who was in jail at the time), Tupac was alive, and because he knew that, the Junior M.A.F.I.A. was trying to kill him.
So, yeah. Makes sense.
It may also be delusions of exceptional intelligence, ie; I have seen through the fiendish conspiracies no-one else could pierce!
Quote from: Doktor Blight on January 27, 2011, 05:43:56 PM
I have a relative or two who are conspiracy nuts. And invariably the government or whatever is after them for some unknown reason. So yeah, delusions of grandeur. I've been warned not to talk to people because they might be working for THEM and this shit is INTERNATIONAL. My response is usually some subtle way of pointing out that they're really not important enough to warrant attention.
Infiltration and Demoralization was a COINTEL tactic advanced by MKULTRA. You must be of
them. Of course they must be important - they know things you don't.
Quote from: Captain Utopia on January 27, 2011, 05:46:32 PM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on January 27, 2011, 05:43:56 PM
I have a relative or two who are conspiracy nuts. And invariably the government or whatever is after them for some unknown reason. So yeah, delusions of grandeur. I've been warned not to talk to people because they might be working for THEM and this shit is INTERNATIONAL. My response is usually some subtle way of pointing out that they're really not important enough to warrant attention.
Infiltration and Demoralization was a COINTEL tactic advanced by MKULTRA. You must be of them. Of course they must be important - they know things you don't.
Shit. You figured me out. Damn Canadians!
I know more conspiracy freaks than I care to talk about, and they progress through several stages.
1. Find out that something isn't what it seems to be (WMD in Iraq, for example).
2. Begin to look at other things, with a bias toward a malign intent on some group's part.
3. Begin to see conspiracies everywhere. At this point, the CF will refuse to talk about anything else.
4. Begin to fear that their knowledge of these "conspiracies" has resulted in being targetted by the conspirators.
5. Hate on Jews.
http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Hunter_S._Thompson
Its always incredibly annoying to them to point out most actual conspiracies can be found with a few key words on Wikipedia, and don't involve shapeshifting aliens, the Illuminati, UFOs, chemtrails or Jews (except in the case of Israel) at all.
And even better, that the investigations were carried out often by sitting Parliaments and the Judiciary, so clearly the conspiracies they imagined are neither fully entrenched or all powerful.
But those aren't the real conspiracy Cain. Those are smokescreens so that they can hide the real conspiracy from people who go poking around. They've fooled everyone. Except me, because I'm special! :lulz:
Quote from: Cain on January 27, 2011, 06:07:23 PM
Its always incredibly annoying to them to point out most actual conspiracies can be found with a few key words on Wikipedia, and don't involve shapeshifting aliens, the Illuminati, UFOs, chemtrails or Jews (except in the case of Israel) at all.
And even better, that the investigations were carried out often by sitting Parliaments and the Judiciary, so clearly the conspiracies they imagined are neither fully entrenched or all powerful.
Yep. The best conspiracy EVER was PNAC, and they had a website that listed their agenda and their members.
What we need to do is somehow convince these people that the reason why they have these "powers" is because they are in fact, reptilians, who were brainwashed into thinking they were human as to blend in. They will be reawakened eventually and be used to take over the world.
...Seriously, worse thing that could happen is they all eat a bullet.
For the paranoid types, there is a narcissistic side to believing that you are somehow dangerous or important enough to be spied upon.
It's like when 9/11 happened, the day of before anyone figured out what was actually going on. A bunch of people in my school were scared that we might be in danger somehow.
Motherfuckers, nobody gives enough of a fuck about New Bedford to attack it in any way at all. The only danger we're in is from our average, everyday violent crime rate and, well, your stupidity.
Quote from: Hoopla on January 27, 2011, 05:30:12 PM
I mean, ok, for all I know I might be a deluded fool who is manipulated by shape shifting reptilians, but I have no proof of it so I'm not even going to entertain the notion in the meantime, so let's assume these shape shifting reptilians don't exist, for the sake of conversation...
I'm giving you a choice: either put on these glasses or start eating that trash can. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsZpdUUdd3I) (possible NSFW language)
I view conspiracy nuts in the same light as I do "indigo children" people as well as legalist fundamentalist Christians who're into Left Behind.
There's gotta be a more imaginative and productive way to feel that you're special.
David Icke claims that the World's economy is run by Blood drinking Lizards masquerading as Humans, such as George W Bush and Her Majesty the Queen. Why doesn't he break into their homes then, and have a look at their bedrooms? If they sleep on a big rock instead of a bed and have an enormous red light bulb hanging over them, I think he would gain a lot more credibility..
Conspiracy nuts are fucking optimists denying the horrible reality and it's near random nature.
Yes the world is fucked up, but there is no evil overlord causing the bad stuff, the bad stuff is just what happens naturally when you put a lot of people together.
Quote from: Regret on January 28, 2011, 12:21:32 AM
Conspiracy nuts are fucking optimists denying the horrible reality and it's near random nature.
Yes the world is fucked up, but there is no evil overlord causing the bad stuff, the bad stuff is just what happens naturally when you put a lot of people together.
:lulz:
I agree.
Quote from: BadBeast on January 28, 2011, 12:17:29 AM
David Icke claims...
...any outlandish beliefs that aren't nailed down. The last claim I heard of his was that all life on Earth used to absorb its nourishment directly from the atmosphere. There were no carnivores until the moon turned up and spoiled it for everyone. :lulz:
Funny that we're talking about narcissism, though. I was
reading barely tolerating Icke's new book recently and he talks about nothing but himself until chapter 4.
Quote from: Xooxe on January 28, 2011, 03:16:47 AM
Quote from: BadBeast on January 28, 2011, 12:17:29 AM
David Icke claims...
...any outlandish beliefs that aren't nailed down. The last claim I heard of his was that all life on Earth used to absorb its nourishment directly from the atmosphere. There were no carnivores until the moon turned up and spoiled it for everyone. :lulz:
Funny that we're talking about narcissism, though. I was reading barely tolerating Icke's new book recently and he talks about nothing but himself until chapter 4.
I must admit, I've got a bit of a spot for David Icke. He's my favourite homegrown nutter. Plus, when I see him on some of his earlier videos, speaking about teh Lizards and stuff, I believe every word. (I know it's bollocks,but I still believe him) He is so totally wrapped up in it. And you can't actually dislike him, he obviously takes it all very seriously and has our best interests at heart. Yeah, there's definitely room in my life for David Icke.
Quote from: Regret on January 28, 2011, 12:21:32 AM
Conspiracy nuts are fucking optimists denying the horrible reality and it's near random nature.
Yes the world is fucked up, but there is no evil overlord causing the bad stuff, the bad stuff is just what happens naturally when you put a lot of people together.
Conspiracy theories are for people who don't understand Murphy's Law (or Heinlein's Razor).
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 27, 2011, 06:11:36 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 27, 2011, 06:07:23 PM
Its always incredibly annoying to them to point out most actual conspiracies can be found with a few key words on Wikipedia, and don't involve shapeshifting aliens, the Illuminati, UFOs, chemtrails or Jews (except in the case of Israel) at all.
And even better, that the investigations were carried out often by sitting Parliaments and the Judiciary, so clearly the conspiracies they imagined are neither fully entrenched or all powerful.
Yep. The best conspiracy EVER was PNAC, and they had a website that listed their agenda and their members.
I was thinking covert action in Nicaragua and Italy, plus things like the Church and Pike Committees etc, but that works as well.
My favourate story about David Icke is how he found it really hard to get past Canadian immigration because they couldn't quite believe he actually meant "Reptillian aliens" and thought it was dogwhistle antisemitism.
Quote from: Slyph on January 28, 2011, 01:31:19 PM
My favourate story about David Icke is how he found it really hard to get past Canadian immigration because they couldn't quite believe he actually meant "Reptillian aliens" and thought it was dogwhistle antisemitism.
That Canadian immigration immediately associate Reptilian aliens with Jews is not a flattering view into their general mindset.
Quote from: Doktor Phox on January 27, 2011, 11:56:33 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on January 27, 2011, 05:30:12 PM
I mean, ok, for all I know I might be a deluded fool who is manipulated by shape shifting reptilians, but I have no proof of it so I'm not even going to entertain the notion in the meantime, so let's assume these shape shifting reptilians don't exist, for the sake of conversation...
I'm giving you a choice: either put on these glasses or start eating that trash can. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsZpdUUdd3I) (possible NSFW language)
:lulz:
Quote from: Cain on January 28, 2011, 01:33:19 PM
Quote from: Slyph on January 28, 2011, 01:31:19 PM
My favourate story about David Icke is how he found it really hard to get past Canadian immigration because they couldn't quite believe he actually meant "Reptillian aliens" and thought it was dogwhistle antisemitism.
That Canadian immigration immediately associate Reptilian aliens with Jews is not a flattering view into their general mindset.
Either that, or they were trying to find a less crazy reason to not allow Icke in the country.
Quote from: Suu on January 28, 2011, 03:42:27 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 28, 2011, 01:33:19 PM
Quote from: Slyph on January 28, 2011, 01:31:19 PM
My favourate story about David Icke is how he found it really hard to get past Canadian immigration because they couldn't quite believe he actually meant "Reptillian aliens" and thought it was dogwhistle antisemitism.
That Canadian immigration immediately associate Reptilian aliens with Jews is not a flattering view into their general mindset.
Either that, or they were trying to find a less crazy reason to not allow Icke in the country.
One of Canada's favourite pastimes is denying "objectionable" people to the country, especially when they are coming to give some sort of speech or talk. It's one of the few times we get into international news. Canada is not really big on free speech. They are especially hard on alleged anti-Semitics, and probably were hoping that denying Icke entry to the country would once again land them on the pages of the news. It's sad. It's actually sadder than if they really did conflate Reptilian Aliens with Jews.
Quote from: Slyph on January 28, 2011, 01:31:19 PM
My favourate story about David Icke is how he found it really hard to get past Canadian immigration because they couldn't quite believe he actually meant "Reptillian aliens" and thought it was dogwhistle antisemitism.
Yes, there was a concerted campaign by the Anti-Defamation League in America to get him banned from entering the US. They came to the conclusion that when he said "Blood drinking Reptilian Alien Shapeshifters", what he actually meant, was "Jew". (And people say that Icke is the crazy one) The Tour went ahead, but there were many States he wasn't allowed to enter.
Quote from: Regret on January 28, 2011, 12:21:32 AM
Conspiracy nuts are fucking optimists denying the horrible reality and it's near random nature.
Yes the world is fucked up, but there is no evil overlord causing the bad stuff, the bad stuff is just what happens naturally when you put a lot of people together.
This, by the way, is exactly my view on the whole matter.