Quote from: http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/nacion/183444.html
In the context of the celebrations of the National Airforce and Army Day, the Department of National Defense presented a new armored tactical vehicle that the mexican Army will use in operations against organized crime in urban zones.
The new militar unit, which will operate in states such as Tamaulipas, Nuevo Leon, Chihuahua and Sinaloa amongst others in the north of the country, along with the south corridor of the southern border, is equiped with level 5 armor, resistent to grenades, Ak-47 and R-15 rounds, cop killer bullets, and even Barret style weapons and caliber 50. This quality will allow it to penetrate enemy lines in combat, without the occupants (4 to 8 ) being injured while being able to shoot from inside the vehicle.
Created based on the USA prototype, the Sandcat, the armor in this vehicle, which is a chasis of Ford style, was designed with high standards of security to acomplish the optimal level of protection for the soldiers of Special Forces which will operate this vehicles.
The lieutenant coronel Francisco Enriquez Rojas, spokesman for the SEDENA, informed that six of these vehicles are available at this moment, althought it wont be revealed to where they will be sent.....
This only means that instead of just bullets flying around, now we gonna have anti-armor rockets and high grades explosives used.
In urban areas.
Damn. You are probably right.
Quote from: Charley Brown on February 05, 2011, 08:55:03 PM
Damn. You are probably right.
Of course he's right. If you can't shoot holes in it, flip it upside down with an IED.
Not to mention that many of these vehicles will just be driven away to the cartels' strongholds.
The Mexican government is in a bad spot. Hardware won't win this, and they don't have a cohesive military. Comes from universal conscription.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 05, 2011, 09:46:47 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on February 05, 2011, 08:55:03 PM
Damn. You are probably right.
Of course he's right. If you can't shoot holes in it, flip it upside down with an IED.
Not to mention that many of these vehicles will just be driven away to the cartels' strongholds.
The Mexican government is in a bad spot. Hardware won't win this, and they don't have a cohesive military. Comes from universal conscription.
People piss me off.
Maybe if the military disguise command posts as houses and they dress as civilians it might better their chances to ambush narcos!11 :roll:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 05, 2011, 09:46:47 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on February 05, 2011, 08:55:03 PM
Damn. You are probably right.
Of course he's right. If you can't shoot holes in it, flip it upside down with an IED.
Not to mention that many of these vehicles will just be driven away to the cartels' strongholds.
The Mexican government is in a bad spot. Hardware won't win this, and they don't have a cohesive military. Comes from universal conscription.
About 6 months ago they started using some kind of plastic explosive to break impromptu road barricades blockading their escapes, rather than just using construction vehicles to ram thru.
A friend says that in Colombia something similar happened... the escalation of armament led to the USA intervening, so perhaps this is the first step.
Anyhow, what does it take to pierce level 5 armor? an RPG?
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on February 05, 2011, 10:06:38 PM
A friend says that in Colombia something similar happened... the escalation of armament led to the USA intervening, so perhaps this is the first step.
Anyhow, what does it take to pierce level 5 armor? an RPG?
Not sure, but I wouldn't want to be in it with .50 armor piercing rounds playing a tune. I expect you could get a headache.
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on February 05, 2011, 10:06:38 PM
A friend says that in Colombia something similar happened... the escalation of armament led to the USA intervening, so perhaps this is the first step.
Anyhow, what does it take to pierce level 5 armor? an RPG?
Mexico would let us in? Are they fucking crazy? Once in we never leave.
Quote from: Charley Brown on February 05, 2011, 10:24:41 PM
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on February 05, 2011, 10:06:38 PM
A friend says that in Colombia something similar happened... the escalation of armament led to the USA intervening, so perhaps this is the first step.
Anyhow, what does it take to pierce level 5 armor? an RPG?
Mexico would let us in? Are they fucking crazy? Once in we never leave.
I really wouldnt mind, but since everyone jacks-off thinking of the flag and patriotism...
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on February 05, 2011, 10:06:38 PM
A friend says that in Colombia something similar happened... the escalation of armament led to the USA intervening, so perhaps this is the first step.
Anyhow, what does it take to pierce level 5 armor? an RPG?
I'm pretty sure Charley is right and .50s would punch through, since the armored vehicle spec sheets I've seen from one military contractor have .50 protection as an upgrade to a level 5 protected vehicle.
I expect the cartels to just use explosives or RPGs though (easier to get, and I doubt they shelled out for the newer IED resistant vehicles), which is going to suck badly for the civilians.
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on February 05, 2011, 10:06:38 PM
A friend says that in Colombia something similar happened... the escalation of armament led to the USA intervening, so perhaps this is the first step.
Anyhow, what does it take to pierce level 5 armor? an RPG?
Don't expect an "intervention". We couldn't afford it, even if we were inclined, and we're not. Your nation's troubles are political fodder for the right wing up here, and the right wing holds the purse strings.
An RPG that gets a hit on a perpendicular surface would penetrate...But even an oblique shot would probably flip the vehicle over, and would disable the occupants in any case, due to overpressure.
http://www.armormax.com/specialsales.htm
So yeah, its taking the gringo approach, more expensive toys that just get ravaged either way.
(http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/graficos/imagenes/carrogato.jpg)
Im sure the "digital camouflage generated by computer" gona be reaaaaal useful against an RPG :lulz:
Theres 31 states, and 12 of them are combat zones, there was an article today (which already got pulled) speaking on how the USA classifies them.
Yeah... that's definately not going to resist and IED, even if the armor somehow holds its flat bottomed, flat sided, and doesn't look very heavy. Its gonna go flying.
This is really really going to suck when that starts.
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on February 05, 2011, 10:06:38 PM
A friend says that in Colombia something similar happened... the escalation of armament led to the USA intervening, so perhaps this is the first step.
Anyhow, what does it take to pierce level 5 armor? an RPG?
Pretty sure the USA is already covertly involved in Mexico. Arms sales have increased year on year since Clinton was in office, and Plan Merida seems to provide the institutional framework which would allow the US to send in private companies to train Mexican and Central American troops and police - and as we all know, private military companies tend to be run by "ex" military men who aint so retired as they'd have you believe, and so are a very useful cover for getting Special Forces in place in a country. Private military contractors have already been caught on video passing along torture techniques to the León (Guanajuato) police.
There is also deepening military cooperation
http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2010-04-06-Mexico_N.htm
QuoteU.S. military training and exchange programs with Mexico have concentrated on sharpening the capabilities of Mexico's armed forces to quickly act on intelligence and integrate operations with law enforcement agencies.
"That's really the area we think we can be of most value," Renuart said.
The U.S. military has honed techniques aimed at dismantling insurgent networks in countless operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.
And since Iraq and Afghanistan have no problem with terrorists and insurgents, no doubt Mexico will be just fine as well.