QuoteThey're "foolish," Speaker William O'Brien said in a recent speech to a tea party group. "Voting as a liberal. That's what kids do," he added, his comments taped by a state Democratic Party staffer and posted on YouTube. Students lack "life experience," and "they just vote their feelings."
Seriously.
"They don't vote the way WE want them to vote, so we want to bar them from voting."
Did I wake up somewhere OTHER than America this morning?
I thought it was just students who live out of state and only attend the university, and only for local elections. Not that's any reason to ban anyone from voting, but if you're just going to go back home after 4 years and not plant your roots in the community after college, I don't think you should be voting on local issues that affect the community you're just planning on leaving anyway.
Legislating it sets a pretty terrible precedent.
There are multiple bills being tossed around.
However, college students live in a community at least nine months out of the year... and many stay where they are rather than going home.
Or are we going to put "are you going to live here for at least four years?" on voter registration forms? How long do you have to live somewhere in order to be considered part of a community? Do you have to live somewhere year round to vote? What about the snowbirds that live half a year up north and go south for the winters?
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 09, 2011, 03:13:08 PM
I thought it was just students who live out of state and only attend the university, and only for local elections. Not that's any reason to ban anyone from voting, but if you're just going to go back home after 4 years and not plant your roots in the community after college, I don't think you should be voting on local issues that affect the community you're just planning on leaving anyway.
Legislating it sets a pretty terrible precedent.
Lots of ASS-umptions, thar, my friend. I'd be interested to see some stats on who stays and who floats away like so much flotsam and jetsum in that case.
Incidentally...
When college students fill out the census, they are counted where they are actually living... at school.
The federal funds allocated by census for the students living in NH dorms are therefore sent to NH.
One might think that the students for whom those federal funds are intended should have some say in how they are spent.
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 09, 2011, 03:13:08 PM
I thought it was just students who live out of state and only attend the university, and only for local elections. Not that's any reason to ban anyone from voting, but if you're just going to go back home after 4 years and not plant your roots in the community after college, I don't think you should be voting on local issues that affect the community you're just planning on leaving anyway.
Legislating it sets a pretty terrible precedent.
Colleges are part of the community in which they are located. Therefore, RESIDENTIAL students are part of the community. Therefore, they should be able to vote. Colleges are not immune to local laws and anyone who lives on a college campus is bound and impacted by local laws. They should have a say.
So, what's next. What about apartment dwellers who live in one town for two years then move to another town where rent is cheaper. Should those transitory populations also be denied the right to vote?
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on March 09, 2011, 05:00:03 PM
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 09, 2011, 03:13:08 PM
I thought it was just students who live out of state and only attend the university, and only for local elections. Not that's any reason to ban anyone from voting, but if you're just going to go back home after 4 years and not plant your roots in the community after college, I don't think you should be voting on local issues that affect the community you're just planning on leaving anyway.
Legislating it sets a pretty terrible precedent.
Colleges are part of the community in which they are located. Therefore, RESIDENTIAL students are part of the community. Therefore, they should be able to vote. Colleges are not immune to local laws and anyone who lives on a college campus is bound and impacted by local laws. They should have a say.
So, what's next. What about apartment dwellers who live in one town for two years then move to another town where rent is cheaper. Should those transitory populations also be denied the right to vote?
I got one better: military folks. You know, because they move around so damned often thanks to the many, many wars we seem to have to fight so we can feed our hegemony monster as well as that lovely addiction we have to fossil fuels.
But fuck 'em--they might vote "stupidly Democratic," those military wives with their brats, so AWAY goes THEIR voting rights!
Sorry, I'm pretty slammed with projects at the moment so didn't have a chance to get back to this thread earlier.
I clearly said that legislation preventing people from voting who have no vested interest in the future of the community would be a terrible idea. Actually proving they wont be in the future is impossible.
If I don't plan on being in one place for more than a few years, I don't think it's appropriate to cast my vote for things that will affect the people who do. i.e. property tax legislation, zoning issues or land use ordinances, even city council positions.
It's just what I think, an opinion.
Feel free to tear into it as it is, not as you apparently read it.
...I think RIGHTS are something you just don't fuck with, because there's a certain "path of no returns" about losing them when they ARE fucked with. Rights are like virginity--easy to lose, damned near impossible to ever get back in your lifetime.
Also note the stated reason for attempting to remove their rights.
It's got nothing to do with them being there for a limited amount of time... It's because they vote "liberal."
Ho ho! One man, one vote, once.
:lulz:
Quote from: Luna on March 09, 2011, 01:58:24 PM
QuoteThey're "foolish," Speaker William O'Brien said in a recent speech to a tea party group. "Voting as a liberal. That's what kids do," he added, his comments taped by a state Democratic Party staffer and posted on YouTube. Students lack "life experience," and "they just vote their feelings."
Seriously.
"They don't vote the way WE want them to vote, so we want to bar them from voting."
Did I wake up somewhere OTHER than America this morning?
Linksie?
Quote from: Luna on March 09, 2011, 05:33:10 PM
Also note the stated reason for attempting to remove their rights.
It's got nothing to do with them being there for a limited amount of time... It's because they vote "liberal."
This. Wow. What the fuck.
Quote from: Luna on March 09, 2011, 01:58:24 PM
QuoteThey're "foolish," Speaker William O'Brien said in a recent speech to a tea party group. "Voting as a liberal. That's what kids do," he added, his comments taped by a state Democratic Party staffer and posted on YouTube. Students lack "life experience," and "they just vote their feelings."
Seriously.
"They don't vote the way WE want them to vote, so we want to bar them from voting."
Did I wake up somewhere OTHER than America this morning?
Link?
Whups, shit, didn't notice the link didn't paste. My bad...
Article here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/06/AR2011030602662.html?hpid=topnews
Copy of YouTube video with another article here:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2011/03/video-foolish-college-kids-jus.html
Also includes O'Brien attempting to back-pedal.
Quote from: Luna on March 09, 2011, 01:58:24 PM
Did I wake up somewhere OTHER than America this morning?
America is probably the only first world country that would seriously suggest that.
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 09, 2011, 05:28:27 PM
Sorry, I'm pretty slammed with projects at the moment so didn't have a chance to get back to this thread earlier.
I clearly said that legislation preventing people from voting who have no vested interest in the future of the community would be a terrible idea. Actually proving they wont be in the future is impossible.
If I don't plan on being in one place for more than a few years, I don't think it's appropriate to cast my vote for things that will affect the people who do. i.e. property tax legislation, zoning issues or land use ordinances, even city council positions.
It's just what I think, an opinion.
Feel free to tear into it as it is, not as you apparently read it.
When you are part of a community, what happens locally DOES impact you. When you are a college student, you are subject to the same ordinances and laws that every other member of that community is subject to. When you are a college student in a community, you pay taxes. If you own and register a car where you go to college, you pay taxes. If you have any money going into that community, you have every right to have a say in local elections and politics. Nobody can predict the future. Renters in a given community won't necessarily plan to live in a community for more than a few years, but they also have every right to vote in that community's local elections. It should be no different for a college student.
Hey, we could take it back to when only landowners got a vote, I suppose...
...that's actually a Teabagger plank, I believe, Luna. I know they've at least suggested as much.
It's just my opinion, and not one I expect everyone else to hold. Once a law is on the books, it's almost impossible to get rid of it. Much like Federal agencies, no matter how inept.
and again, I think legislating it is the worst sort of legal precedent. Next you'd have liberals pushing for competency tests before voting to weed out what they see as uneducated conservatives.. back and forth that would do nothing but distract and detract from a system that, while flaws exist, is still a pretty damn good way of governing ourselves.
it's really just a horrible idea. Kind of hard to believe it's being pushed in New Hampshire of all places.
I'm also on the side of providing I.D. before casting a vote, but I'm probably in the minority on that issue on this board as well.
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 09, 2011, 06:54:22 PM
and again, I think legislating it is the worst sort of legal precedent.
I'm beginning to think you aren't
serious about having a good time.
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 09, 2011, 06:54:22 PM
I'm also on the side of providing I.D. before casting a vote, but I'm probably in the minority on that issue on this board as well.
Actually, I'm okay with that... provided they make ID's easy to get and free.
Even the $15 or so it costs to pick one up in this state would have been too much for me, at several points in my life. (I've been, "oh, God, do I have to split the packages of Ramen Noodles to get me through the end of the week" broke, it is NOT fun.)
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 09, 2011, 06:54:22 PM
Much like Federal agencies, no matter how inept.
Unlike, say, corporations.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 09, 2011, 06:57:15 PM
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 09, 2011, 06:54:22 PM
and again, I think legislating it is the worst sort of legal precedent.
I'm beginning to think you aren't serious about having a good time.
So, aside from the boy toy idea you provided me with (being held in reserve until the divorce is final, I've got an excellent adultery case I don't want to water down in case I need to use it), how would TGRR suggest I have a good time?
(It's my thread, I'll derail it if I wanna.)
Quote from: Luna on March 09, 2011, 06:59:59 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 09, 2011, 06:57:15 PM
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 09, 2011, 06:54:22 PM
and again, I think legislating it is the worst sort of legal precedent.
I'm beginning to think you aren't serious about having a good time.
So, aside from the boy toy idea you provided me with (being held in reserve until the divorce is final, I've got an excellent adultery case I don't want to water down in case I need to use it), how would TGRR suggest I have a good time?
(It's my thread, I'll derail it if I wanna.)
By supporting this measure publicly (and badly) on NH newspaper websites' comments sections.
And by learning to stop worrying, and love the stupid for its own sake. You can't stop it, you may as well hit the wall like a fucking rock star. Fact: Laughing is better for you. And if the country gets fucked up the ass by reality in the form of Ferdinand the Bull? Well, that's their fucking problem, and they DEMANDED it, anyway.
Fuck the humans, Luna. It's up to us to get our freak on, and not let them know we're doing it. Let the libertarians sweat the impossible situations. They think they care, and they think they have a solution, so why ruin the hilarity by pointing out inconvenient little facts?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 09, 2011, 06:57:15 PM
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 09, 2011, 06:54:22 PM
and again, I think legislating it is the worst sort of legal precedent.
I'm beginning to think you aren't serious about having a good time.
good thing you fine folks are here to remind me not to take anything too seriously.
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 09, 2011, 07:08:30 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 09, 2011, 06:57:15 PM
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 09, 2011, 06:54:22 PM
and again, I think legislating it is the worst sort of legal precedent.
I'm beginning to think you aren't serious about having a good time.
good thing you fine folks are here to remind me not to take anything too seriously.
"If you think this is JUST a joke, well, by God, you'll
never get the punchline."
- Ken DeVries
It's not that, PS. It's just that you have the wrong values. You believe the wrong things.
Quote from: Jenne on March 09, 2011, 06:26:41 PM
...that's actually a Teabagger plank, I believe, Luna. I know they've at least suggested as much.
Along with the disenfranchisement of Active Duty Service Members because of that. We don't deserve to vote or have a voice in the government because we signed our lives away. :kingmeh:
Quote from: aedh on March 09, 2011, 07:12:58 PM
Quote from: Jenne on March 09, 2011, 06:26:41 PM
...that's actually a Teabagger plank, I believe, Luna. I know they've at least suggested as much.
Along with the disenfranchisement of Active Duty Service Members because of that. We don't deserve to vote or have a voice in the government because we signed our lives away. :kingmeh:
This is the exact reason I signed for my kid to enlist early.
He needs to understand how things actually work, and there's no teacher like a term in the service.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 09, 2011, 07:04:16 PM
And if the country gets fucked up the ass by reality in the form of Ferdinand the Bull? Well, that's their fucking problem, and they DEMANDED it, anyway.
That is a visual that's going to linger.
(http://www.ultimatedisney.com/images/w-z/wdac-v6-03.jpg)
The come-hither look...
QuoteBy supporting this measure publicly (and badly) on NH newspaper websites' comments sections.
Yeah, I'd been thinking along those lines, y'all are a terrible, horrible influence. :D
QuoteAnd by learning to stop worrying, and love the stupid for its own sake. You can't stop it, you may as well hit the wall like a fucking rock star. Fact: Laughing is better for you.
This I need to work on. Been fighting the stupid for a long time, tactics change is required.
Heh, I'll have to dig around tonight
Quote from: Luna on March 09, 2011, 07:15:06 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 09, 2011, 07:04:16 PM
And if the country gets fucked up the ass by reality in the form of Ferdinand the Bull? Well, that's their fucking problem, and they DEMANDED it, anyway.
That is a visual that's going to linger.
(http://www.ultimatedisney.com/images/w-z/wdac-v6-03.jpg)
The come-hither look...
QuoteBy supporting this measure publicly (and badly) on NH newspaper websites' comments sections.
Yeah, I'd been thinking along those lines, y'all are a terrible, horrible influence. :D
QuoteAnd by learning to stop worrying, and love the stupid for its own sake. You can't stop it, you may as well hit the wall like a fucking rock star. Fact: Laughing is better for you.
This I need to work on. Been fighting the stupid for a long time, tactics change is required.
Heh, I'll have to dig around tonight
Fighting the stupid? King Canute? Is that YOU? :lulz:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 09, 2011, 07:14:27 PM
Quote from: aedh on March 09, 2011, 07:12:58 PM
Quote from: Jenne on March 09, 2011, 06:26:41 PM
...that's actually a Teabagger plank, I believe, Luna. I know they've at least suggested as much.
Along with the disenfranchisement of Active Duty Service Members because of that. We don't deserve to vote or have a voice in the government because we signed our lives away. :kingmeh:
This is the exact reason I signed for my kid to enlist early.
He needs to understand how things actually work, and there's no teacher like a term in the service.
One of the best fucking educations you can get.
Quote from: aedh on March 09, 2011, 07:18:07 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 09, 2011, 07:14:27 PM
Quote from: aedh on March 09, 2011, 07:12:58 PM
Quote from: Jenne on March 09, 2011, 06:26:41 PM
...that's actually a Teabagger plank, I believe, Luna. I know they've at least suggested as much.
Along with the disenfranchisement of Active Duty Service Members because of that. We don't deserve to vote or have a voice in the government because we signed our lives away. :kingmeh:
This is the exact reason I signed for my kid to enlist early.
He needs to understand how things actually work, and there's no teacher like a term in the service.
One of the best fucking educations you can get.
Oh, yes. If you pay attention in class, you will be left with precisely no illusions. :lulz:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 09, 2011, 07:16:12 PM
Fighting the stupid? King Canute? Is that YOU? :lulz:
Nah, more railing against, and trying to keep other people (one in particular springs to mind) from being stupid. (We're talking "forgetting to breathe" stupid, here.) Didn't work. Never works.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 09, 2011, 06:57:46 PM
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 09, 2011, 06:54:22 PM
Much like Federal agencies, no matter how inept.
Unlike, say, corporations.
Bear Sterns, Lehman Brothers, Enron (and Arthur Anderson), E.F. Hutton, Lionel Corp., TWA, MCI Worldcom, AMC, Woolworth.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 09, 2011, 07:09:47 PM
"If you think this is JUST a joke, well, by God, you'll never get the punchline."
- Ken DeVries
It's not that, PS. It's just that you have the wrong values. You believe the wrong things.
I know, we've had this discussion before. I don't have time at the moment to delve back into it. I haven't dismissed it, just have a lot on my plate at the moment. I can't even keep up with this thread at the moment, so I'm going to step out of it and go back to work.
Quote from: What they say"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
vs
Quote from: What they mean"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Corporations of the United States against all smudgy people who don't want our "help", foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the CEO of United Fruit/Standard Oil/Halliburton and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice as interpreted by horrible old Nazis in the Pentagon and the justice department. And not be Gay. So help me Baby Jesus."
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 09, 2011, 07:23:29 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 09, 2011, 07:09:47 PM
"If you think this is JUST a joke, well, by God, you'll never get the punchline."
- Ken DeVries
It's not that, PS. It's just that you have the wrong values. You believe the wrong things.
I know, we've had this discussion before. I don't have time at the moment to delve back into it. I haven't dismissed it, just have a lot on my plate at the moment. I can't even keep up with this thread at the moment, so I'm going to step out of it and go back to work.
See? This is exactly what I'm talking about.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 09, 2011, 07:23:44 PM
Quote from: What they say"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
vs
Quote from: What they mean"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Corporations of the United States against all smudgy people who don't want our "help", foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the CEO of United Fruit/Standard Oil/Halliburton and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice as interpreted by horrible old Nazis in the Pentagon and the justice department. And not be Gay. So help me Baby Jesus."
Would it be wrong to print up re-enlistment certificates with the second quote and mix them in with the S1 supplies?
Quote from: aedh on March 09, 2011, 07:25:40 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 09, 2011, 07:23:44 PM
Quote from: What they say"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
vs
Quote from: What they mean"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Corporations of the United States against all smudgy people who don't want our "help", foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the CEO of United Fruit/Standard Oil/Halliburton and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice as interpreted by horrible old Nazis in the Pentagon and the justice department. And not be Gay. So help me Baby Jesus."
Would it be wrong to print up re-enlistment certificates with the second quote and mix them in with the S1 supplies?
Yes. Yes it would. It was also be as funny as hell, if you could do it without getting busted.
Quote from: aedh on March 09, 2011, 07:25:40 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 09, 2011, 07:23:44 PM
Quote from: What they say"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
vs
Quote from: What they mean"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Corporations of the United States against all smudgy people who don't want our "help", foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the CEO of United Fruit/Standard Oil/Halliburton and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice as interpreted by horrible old Nazis in the Pentagon and the justice department. And not be Gay. So help me Baby Jesus."
Would it be wrong to print up re-enlistment certificates with the second quote and mix them in with the S1 supplies?
If you can pull it off without accidentally Bradley Manning. :lulz:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 09, 2011, 07:24:36 PM
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 09, 2011, 07:23:29 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 09, 2011, 07:09:47 PM
"If you think this is JUST a joke, well, by God, you'll never get the punchline."
- Ken DeVries
It's not that, PS. It's just that you have the wrong values. You believe the wrong things.
I know, we've had this discussion before. I don't have time at the moment to delve back into it. I haven't dismissed it, just have a lot on my plate at the moment. I can't even keep up with this thread at the moment, so I'm going to step out of it and go back to work.
See? This is exactly what I'm talking about.
I'm doing what I love doing, designing. Take issue with it and say it doesn't fit in with Discordia all you want. I still love it and will do it as long as it's fun. If it ever stops being fun, I'll stop doing it.
-Pickle: REALLY out this time. check back in a few hours.
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on March 09, 2011, 06:54:22 PM
it's really just a horrible idea. Kind of hard to believe it's being pushed in New Hampshire of all places.
No it's not. Freestaters are horrible fucking people.
Pros about NH: No sales tax, income tax or excise tax, state run liquor stores that carry EVERYTHING at a discount, fireworks year round. Pretty to look at.
Cons about NH: Obnoxiously rich, gun-toting, psycho-Libertarians on one end of the spectrum, and extreme poor disgusting degenerates living off of welfare and dodging MA taxes on the other...sometimes also gun toting psycho-Libertarians. Lots and lots of snow.
Live Free or Die, motherfuckers!
Stupid voters ruining democracy!!!
:argh!: :argh!: :argh!:
Quote from: Luna on March 09, 2011, 06:25:46 PM
Hey, we could take it back to when only landowners got a vote, I suppose...
My stepfather, a Tea Bagger in denial, has suggested as much. I pointed out that I'd loose the right to vote and he just shrugged. I should really remind him that he spent a good portion of his adult life (and most of my parents' marriage) renting. That is, when he wasn't living on a base someplace.
QuoteAverage taxpayers in college towns, he said, are having their votes "diluted or entirely canceled by those of a huge, largely monolithic demographic group . . .
As if students don't pay the same taxes as everyone else. :lulz: And if that were true, why is my area still horrifically Republican? We have a large-ish university here, yet McCain took both districts effortlessly.
Maybe it has something to do with the callous and cynical way they form arguments that takes advantage of people's biases.
Why aren't we doing it?
Quote from: Hover Cat on March 10, 2011, 12:12:59 AM
Quote from: Luna on March 09, 2011, 06:25:46 PM
Hey, we could take it back to when only landowners got a vote, I suppose...
My stepfather, a Tea Bagger in denial, has suggested as much. I pointed out that I'd loose the right to vote and he just shrugged. I should really remind him that he spent a good portion of his adult life (and most of my parents' marriage) renting. That is, when he wasn't living on a base someplace.
While your at it, remind him that his taxes pay for all of his fellow servicemen's paychecks and benefits. That's always a good way to make some of them explode. I've seen it.
The troops are also government employees. Do you support them?
Muhaha
Quote from: Princess Suu the Apostate on March 10, 2011, 03:05:41 PM
Quote from: Hover Cat on March 10, 2011, 12:12:59 AM
Quote from: Luna on March 09, 2011, 06:25:46 PM
Hey, we could take it back to when only landowners got a vote, I suppose...
My stepfather, a Tea Bagger in denial, has suggested as much. I pointed out that I'd loose the right to vote and he just shrugged. I should really remind him that he spent a good portion of his adult life (and most of my parents' marriage) renting. That is, when he wasn't living on a base someplace.
While your at it, remind him that his taxes pay for all of his fellow servicemen's paychecks and benefits. That's always a good way to make some of them explode. I've seen it.
He's aware of it, having been in the Army. I don't really understand him. He's smart and generally a nice person, but he's still a Tea Bagger.
Quote from: Hover Cat on March 10, 2011, 05:03:32 PM
He's smart and generally a nice person, but he's still a Tea Bagger.
These are mutually exclusive terms.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 10, 2011, 06:07:46 PM
Quote from: Hover Cat on March 10, 2011, 05:03:32 PM
He's smart and generally a nice person, but he's still a Tea Bagger.
These are mutually exclusive terms.
I suppose I should say he's nice to my family, but yeah, you have a point. I don't think I would ever allow him to met my gay, Muslim, or Middle Eastern friends. He'd probably make them horribly uncomfortable, even if he didn't make a bigoted remark.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 10, 2011, 03:21:26 PM
The troops are also government employees. Do you support them?
Muhaha
No, but they do support the contractors and 'security contractors' that those troops justify having. After all, big business is good,
even especially when its business getting massive handouts from the government (as long as its the right side of the aisle passing out the money).
Quote from: Hover Cat on March 10, 2011, 06:19:31 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 10, 2011, 06:07:46 PM
Quote from: Hover Cat on March 10, 2011, 05:03:32 PM
He's smart and generally a nice person, but he's still a Tea Bagger.
These are mutually exclusive terms.
I suppose I should say he's nice to my family, but yeah, you have a point. I don't think I would ever allow him to met my gay, Muslim, or Middle Eastern friends. He'd probably make them horribly uncomfortable, even if he didn't make a bigoted remark.
I have met nice, stupid teabaggers who joined up because they thought they couldn't be Good Americans™ otherwise, and I have met smart, amoral teabaggers who joined up because it gave them someone to hate and excuse to unload the terrible burden of thinking.
I have never met a smart, nice teabagger, nor do I ever expect to.
By supporting the tea party, a person is indulging in evil, whether by design or by stupidity.
Design, in his case, I think.
When I was at Uni, I still had to be registered at my "permament" address. Which was really fucking stupid, as for all the reasons pointed out ITT (ie; I spent money and used services in Scotland, not my home constituency).
Quote from: Cain on March 11, 2011, 02:09:01 PM
When I was at Uni, I still had to be registered at my "permament" address. Which was really fucking stupid, as for all the reasons pointed out ITT (ie; I spent money and used services in Scotland, not my home constituency).
The instructions for the US census (upon which all sorts of federal cash-flinging is based) is that you list yourself where you're sleeping when the count is taken. It's taken during the school year... so students are counted at school, not at their permanent residence.
If you're spending more than six months at a residence, it should count as your "permament" residence regardless of where the hell you are sleeping.
Quote from: Cain on March 11, 2011, 02:21:24 PM
If you're spending more than six months at a residence, it should count as your "permament" residence regardless of where the hell you are sleeping.
Agreed. Get me started on the people around here who have a P.O. Box in Florida that they list as a "permanent" address... Mostly the blue-haired old ladies who keep their residence there to keep a Florida driver's license, because they can't pass the tests, here.