Apparently, the GoP has decided that, in order to prevent women from using federal money to fund an abortion, the IRS should get to audit abortions. Rape victims will get the ever so joyful experience of going over what happened with the police, THEN doing it again with an IRS agent.
WTF.
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/03/gop-bill-irs-abortion-audits
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h112-3
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE!?
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on March 18, 2011, 05:20:28 PM
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE!?
Beats the hell out of me, it really does.
The way this is set up, if you do a pre-tax medical expense account, you can't even use THAT to pay for your abortion, because you received a tax benefit for withholding for the expense account (pennies, but still).
BAHAHAHAHAAAAA!
This as they downsize the IRS.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!
What.
Possible counterarguments: This bill would increase the size of government.
This is, by the way, the bill that kicked up the stink about them "redefining rape" to include only "forcible" rape. They've said they'd remove the word "forcible," however, I see it's still in there.
Note, also, that there is no provision for the HEALTH of the woman involved, only her LIFE.
I find it reprehensible that they insist on referring to her as "the mother," even in the portion of the bill discussing when abortions ARE permitted.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on March 18, 2011, 05:41:23 PM
Possible counterarguments: This bill would increase the size of government.
Won't matter. You know how they are.
Quote from: Luna on March 18, 2011, 05:46:22 PM
This is, by the way, the bill that kicked up the stink about them "redefining rape" to include only "forcible" rape. They've said they'd remove the word "forcible," however, I see it's still in there.
Note, also, that there is no provision for the HEALTH of the woman involved, only her LIFE.
I find it reprehensible that they insist on referring to her as "the mother," even in the portion of the bill discussing when abortions ARE permitted.
IAWTC
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on March 18, 2011, 05:41:23 PM
Possible counterarguments: This bill would increase the size of government.
This is also going to cost money. Those IRS agents are going to need specific training before they can go asking questions related to abortion, rape, and incest. That training ain't going to be cheap.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on March 18, 2011, 06:10:22 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on March 18, 2011, 05:41:23 PM
Possible counterarguments: This bill would increase the size of government.
This is also going to cost money. Those IRS agents are going to need specific training before they can go asking questions related to abortion, rape, and incest. That training ain't going to be cheap.
Nor will the HIPAA violation lawsuit be cheap, the first time they screw it up.
That's it.
I am living in a RAW novel.
TGRR,
Not fooled anymore.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 18, 2011, 06:54:07 PM
That's it.
I am living in a RAW novel.
TGRR,
Not fooled anymore.
Well, now we know the ending will suck....
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 18, 2011, 06:54:07 PM
That's it.
I am living in a RAW novel.
TGRR,
Not fooled anymore.
Does that mean I should subject myself them, if only to prepare myself for the violations of my orifices?
Quote from: Ratatosk on March 18, 2011, 08:25:01 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 18, 2011, 06:54:07 PM
That's it.
I am living in a RAW novel.
TGRR,
Not fooled anymore.
Well, now we know the ending will suck....
I'll take trippy acid laden nonsense over where this looks to be headed any day.
Quote from: Requia ☣ on March 18, 2011, 08:40:11 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on March 18, 2011, 08:25:01 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 18, 2011, 06:54:07 PM
That's it.
I am living in a RAW novel.
TGRR,
Not fooled anymore.
Well, now we know the ending will suck....
I'll take trippy acid laden nonsense over where this looks to be headed any day.
POINT TO REQUIA!
Quote from: Requia ☣ on March 18, 2011, 08:40:11 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on March 18, 2011, 08:25:01 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 18, 2011, 06:54:07 PM
That's it.
I am living in a RAW novel.
TGRR,
Not fooled anymore.
Well, now we know the ending will suck....
I'll take trippy acid laden nonsense over where this looks to be headed any day.
Not me. The first motherfucker that comes up to me talking like James Joyce is going to limp away with a rupture.
In other abortion news, I'd like to point out a fetus has been called by Ohio Republicans as a legislative witness on a bill hearing which may outlaw abortions.
Yes, apparently they're serious.
And yes, The Onion did in fact write this as satire several years before, once again proving they are America's best source for tomorrow's news, and the GOP is waging war on satire.
Quote from: Cain on March 19, 2011, 03:44:09 PM
In other abortion news, I'd like to point out a fetus has been called by Ohio Republicans as a legislative witness on a bill hearing which may outlaw abortions.
Even more hilariously, the fetus' testimony was supposed to be it's heartbeat.
Which, at the hearing, was undetectable at 9 weeks:
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/porters-fetus-stunt-falls-flat
Oh, now that is glorious. It's like a perfect storm of retarded culture war posturing and fail.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :horrormirth: :lulz: :lulz:
Quote from: Cain on March 19, 2011, 04:45:28 PM
Oh, now that is glorious. It's like a perfect storm of retarded culture war posturing and fail.
:lulz:
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Quote from: Ratatosk on March 18, 2011, 08:25:01 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 18, 2011, 06:54:07 PM
That's it.
I am living in a RAW novel.
TGRR,
Not fooled anymore.
Well, now we know the ending will suck....
:lol:
:potd:
Also,
Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 19, 2011, 06:35:51 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 19, 2011, 04:45:28 PM
Oh, now that is glorious. It's like a perfect storm of retarded culture war posturing and fail.
:lulz:
:lulz: :lulz:
It's really important to REDUCE GOVERNMENT SPENDING, except at points where it oversees personal freedoms.
BTW my favorite part of "Freakonomics" is where the economist explains the correlation and probable causation between legal abortion and reduced crime. I am completely on board with that, and I also think that we could save a fuckton of tax money with Federal funding of birth control and abortion, making them free and anonymous.
Quote from: Nigel on March 21, 2011, 09:41:56 PM
BTW my favorite part of "Freakonomics" is where the economist explains the correlation and probable causation between legal abortion and reduced crime. I am completely on board with that, and I also think that we could save a fuckton of tax money with Federal funding of birth control and abortion, making them free and anonymous.
He also states that the same effect could be made by insuring that more children had loving and well off families(Of course this would involve lots of good christian tax dollars going to help smudgy people so its out of the question). He also states "If hats dont fit the solution isnt necessarily to go around cutting off heads."
/devils advocate
Given that we don't know what to do with the approximately half a million children in foster care, the US seems to be doing a shit job at finding loving families.
Quote from: Igor on March 19, 2011, 04:43:38 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 19, 2011, 03:44:09 PM
In other abortion news, I'd like to point out a fetus has been called by Ohio Republicans as a legislative witness on a bill hearing which may outlaw abortions.
Even more hilariously, the fetus' testimony was supposed to be it's heartbeat.
Which, at the hearing, was undetectable at 9 weeks:
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/porters-fetus-stunt-falls-flat
I don't even want to admit to being in the same state, let alone the same city as these idiots.
This actually made me feel sick, I mean we get a lot of gross exploitation threads coming and going though here and normally I can shrug it off like rain off a ducks back but this turned my stomach.
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on March 22, 2011, 03:05:11 AM
Quote from: Nigel on March 21, 2011, 09:41:56 PM
BTW my favorite part of "Freakonomics" is where the economist explains the correlation and probable causation between legal abortion and reduced crime. I am completely on board with that, and I also think that we could save a fuckton of tax money with Federal funding of birth control and abortion, making them free and anonymous.
He also states that the same effect could be made by insuring that more children had loving and well off families(Of course this would involve lots of good christian tax dollars going to help smudgy people so its out of the question). He also states "If hats dont fit the solution isnt necessarily to go around cutting off heads."
/devils advocate
Well I think it is pretty clear when you look at socio-economics, poorer people tend to have more abortions than the upper classes. If you were to raise the fortunes of poor families, I think that itself would put downward pressure on abortion rates. Not only because people who are in a more comfortable situation would be more likely to see a pregnancy through. But also, people who are more stable also tend to make different kinds of decisions when it comes to their health, including reproductive health.
That's what is so infuriating about the majority of those in the pro-life movement. I think there can be agreement that it would be good for a society if abortion rates were lower. But that simply cannot be achieved through moralizing. It isn't a moral issue. It is really more of a public health issue and an economic issue. A two-pronged approach of raising the prospects of the poor, and thoughtful, researched sex-ed programs, I think, could go along way to reducing abortion rates.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on March 22, 2011, 03:29:45 PM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on March 22, 2011, 03:05:11 AM
Quote from: Nigel on March 21, 2011, 09:41:56 PM
BTW my favorite part of "Freakonomics" is where the economist explains the correlation and probable causation between legal abortion and reduced crime. I am completely on board with that, and I also think that we could save a fuckton of tax money with Federal funding of birth control and abortion, making them free and anonymous.
He also states that the same effect could be made by insuring that more children had loving and well off families(Of course this would involve lots of good christian tax dollars going to help smudgy people so its out of the question). He also states "If hats dont fit the solution isnt necessarily to go around cutting off heads."
/devils advocate
Well I think it is pretty clear when you look at socio-economics, poorer people tend to have more abortions than the upper classes. If you were to raise the fortunes of poor families, I think that itself would put downward pressure on abortion rates. Not only because people who are in a more comfortable situation would be more likely to see a pregnancy through. But also, people who are more stable also tend to make different kinds of decisions when it comes to their health, including reproductive health.
That's what is so infuriating about the majority of those in the pro-life movement. I think there can be agreement that it would be good for a society if abortion rates were lower. But that simply cannot be achieved through moralizing. It isn't a moral issue. It is really more of a public health issue and an economic issue. A two-pronged approach of raising the prospects of the poor, and thoughtful, researched sex-ed programs, I think, could go along way to reducing abortion rates.
People who believe in both abstinence sex-ed and are pro-lifers really bother me. They believe that abortion is murder but they openly choose a program that would lead to significantly more abortions because Jesus told them. How do you even begin to rationalize that in your head?
They don't because that would require them to question their faith. Their faith tells them that if people live like good little, chaste citizens, everything will be fine. Even though it completely flies in the face of basic human sociology and behavior.
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on March 22, 2011, 04:14:22 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on March 22, 2011, 03:29:45 PM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on March 22, 2011, 03:05:11 AM
Quote from: Nigel on March 21, 2011, 09:41:56 PM
BTW my favorite part of "Freakonomics" is where the economist explains the correlation and probable causation between legal abortion and reduced crime. I am completely on board with that, and I also think that we could save a fuckton of tax money with Federal funding of birth control and abortion, making them free and anonymous.
He also states that the same effect could be made by insuring that more children had loving and well off families(Of course this would involve lots of good christian tax dollars going to help smudgy people so its out of the question). He also states "If hats dont fit the solution isnt necessarily to go around cutting off heads."
/devils advocate
Well I think it is pretty clear when you look at socio-economics, poorer people tend to have more abortions than the upper classes. If you were to raise the fortunes of poor families, I think that itself would put downward pressure on abortion rates. Not only because people who are in a more comfortable situation would be more likely to see a pregnancy through. But also, people who are more stable also tend to make different kinds of decisions when it comes to their health, including reproductive health.
That's what is so infuriating about the majority of those in the pro-life movement. I think there can be agreement that it would be good for a society if abortion rates were lower. But that simply cannot be achieved through moralizing. It isn't a moral issue. It is really more of a public health issue and an economic issue. A two-pronged approach of raising the prospects of the poor, and thoughtful, researched sex-ed programs, I think, could go along way to reducing abortion rates.
People who believe in both abstinence sex-ed and are pro-lifers really bother me. They believe that abortion is murder but they openly choose a program that would lead to significantly more abortions because Jesus told them. How do you even begin to rationalize that in your head?
Life makes much more sense once you realize that most people are FUCKING STUPID.
Do you have a dog? No? Get one.
Now, realize that your dog is fucking retarded and will do anything for bacon.
Most people are dumber than your dog. Problem solved, question answered. That's why. Enjoy your remaining time on earth.
BACON!? WHERE???
I'm gonna go out on a limb here, sort of, and say that it would be better for society if abortion rates were higher. Statistics indicate that more abortion = fewer unwanted kids = less crime. Crime is at an all-time low right now, and it's probably because of legal abortion.
SPEAKING AS A MOTHER who loves and lives for her children, the religious and emotional attachment to a clump of cells that might become a person if all goes well is fucking stupid. What would make society better is universal free contraception and abortion.
NO ONE should come into the world without a mother who wants them. Imagine that world, and how wonderful it would be.
Oh, BTW, I was an unwanted child. 1971. Relatively speaking I am a success story, but I grew up surrounded by unwanted kids who were hell bent on self-destruction, and completely happy to take other people out with them.