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Principia Discordia => Apple Talk => Topic started by: Mangrove on March 28, 2011, 02:43:50 PM

Title: RHWN - Oh noes! Evil madgjik in my guitar!!
Post by: Mangrove on March 28, 2011, 02:43:50 PM
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/1/20110320/ten-mustaine-black-magic-ruined-my-life-c60bd6d.html
Title: Re: RHWN - Oh noes! Evil madgjik in my guitar!!
Post by: AFK on March 28, 2011, 02:57:39 PM
Was "black magic" also responsible for Countdown to Extinction, Youthanasia, and, well, pretty much every album after Rust in Peace?

I also wonder if he refuses to play Five Magics.   
Title: Re: RHWN - Oh noes! Evil madgjik in my guitar!!
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on March 28, 2011, 02:59:05 PM
Wish he'd just refuse to play, period. Never liked Megadeth much.
Title: Re: RHWN - Oh noes! Evil madgjik in my guitar!!
Post by: AFK on March 28, 2011, 03:03:12 PM
I would agree, looking at their recording career on balance.  However, Rust in Peace was a monster of an album. 

In fact, I'd go as far to say that while Metallica, overall, has had a better recording career, I think Rust in Peace is better than pretty much every Metallica album recorded. even Master of Puppets, if only by a little. 
Title: Re: RHWN - Oh noes! Evil madgjik in my guitar!!
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on March 28, 2011, 03:06:13 PM
One of the first times I heard them I was all like "What the fuck is that?" and my mate who was into them got all evangelical - "He was the original guy in Metallica and he wrote half the first album and shit, listen to this" There then followed some twat trying to play four horsemen at about 10 times the normal speed and at that point I was like "yeah well what a fucking great idea ... not"

Title: Re: RHWN - Oh noes! Evil madgjik in my guitar!!
Post by: AFK on March 28, 2011, 03:16:36 PM
First time I heard them was their cover of "No More Mr. Nice Guy" on the Shocker soundtrack.  Which is a fairly decent cover.  But I was really hooked the first time I heard "Holy War" on Headbanger's Ball.  Then came the bitter disappointment when he tried to ape Metallica's "Black album" with Countdown to Extinction.  Pitiful. 
Title: Re: RHWN - Oh noes! Evil madgjik in my guitar!!
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on March 28, 2011, 04:27:28 PM
the day he bitched up and had a group crying-like-a-little-girl session with Metallica on that godawful video diary they made was the day both bands became irredeemable in my book.
Title: Re: RHWN - Oh noes! Evil madgjik in my guitar!!
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on March 28, 2011, 04:47:26 PM
Quote from: Mangrove on March 28, 2011, 02:43:50 PM
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/1/20110320/ten-mustaine-black-magic-ruined-my-life-c60bd6d.html

I think he's confusing black magic with drug abuse, alcoholism, being a difficult personality to work with, and his seeming inability to let go of grudges (especially with Metallica).

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 28, 2011, 04:27:28 PM
the day he bitched up and had a group crying-like-a-little-girl session with Metallica on that godawful video diary they made was the day both bands became irredeemable in my book.

Attention whoring at its worst. I stopped paying attention to Metallica after Reload. I heard some of St. Anger and was glad I got out when I did. Well, that and the fact that they wrote two sequels to Unforgiven, which was totally pointless. I stopped paying attention to Megadeth after the System Has Failed, not because I disliked the album, but rather that I never really got around to buying their later albums.
Title: Re: RHWN - Oh noes! Evil madgjik in my guitar!!
Post by: East Coast Hustle on March 28, 2011, 05:20:53 PM
Megadeth never put out anything worthwhile after Rust In Peace.

However, Rust In Peace is probably the single best metal album ever made by anyone, ever. I also really liked So Far, So Good, So What?

But yeah, Mustaine is not somebody I'd invite to my poker table.



Also, I can't believe I'm saying this, but....

Metallica's newest album (Death Magnetic) is actually GOOD. I don't know why they had to go 20 years between good albums, but it actually stands up to And Justice For All.
Title: Re: RHWN - Oh noes! Evil madgjik in my guitar!!
Post by: AFK on March 28, 2011, 05:24:34 PM
Yep.  Though, just like "Justice", you can't hear the bass. 

Title: Re: RHWN - Oh noes! Evil madgjik in my guitar!!
Post by: East Coast Hustle on March 28, 2011, 05:41:23 PM
Yeah, and that's a shame since they actually have an awesome bass player now.
Title: Re: RHWN - Oh noes! Evil madgjik in my guitar!!
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on March 28, 2011, 06:47:23 PM
I'm almost with you on death magnetic. Every track is a return to classic form. Right up until the point where Hammett gets all avant garde over the solo. Someone really ought to murder that little prick in cold blood.

Or just wait til he disappears up his own bunghole.
Title: Re: RHWN - Oh noes! Evil madgjik in my guitar!!
Post by: East Coast Hustle on March 28, 2011, 06:54:42 PM
Yeah, that's a fair assessment. Though he does lay down a pretty wicked face-melter on All Nightmare Long.
Title: Re: RHWN - Oh noes! Evil madgjik in my guitar!!
Post by: AFK on March 28, 2011, 07:01:04 PM
He uses that wah peddle way too much.  In fact, my theory is that for St. Anger, the guys hid it from him, thus rendering him helpless and unable to do solos. 
Title: Re: RHWN - Oh noes! Evil madgjik in my guitar!!
Post by: Prince Glittersnatch III on March 28, 2011, 07:21:01 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on March 28, 2011, 05:24:34 PM
Yep.  Though, just like "Justice", you can't hear the bass. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBSIz1UGQLA
Someone remixed the entire justice album so that you can hear the bass.

Title: Re: RHWN - Oh noes! Evil madgjik in my guitar!!
Post by: Prince Glittersnatch III on March 28, 2011, 07:26:44 PM
Also,

YERR A WIZARD HARRY DAVID!
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Title: Re: RHWN - Oh noes! Evil madgjik in my guitar!!
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on March 28, 2011, 07:49:24 PM
Okay I just had another listen to All Nightmare Long, followed by Trapped Under Ice. My conclusion? Fuck Death Magnetic!  :argh!:

I've never ranked Hammett as a guitarist, he constantly seems to be trying to hit runs that are way beyond his capabilities so it comes across as kinda messy and falls out of time. This used to be okay when they were a young band and it suited them, also he used a lot of sick little blues runs to balance out the reaching too high shit. But by now he should have either learned to play or switched fucking instruments.
Title: Re: RHWN - Oh noes! Evil madgjik in my guitar!!
Post by: East Coast Hustle on March 28, 2011, 08:16:57 PM
:lulz:

Yeah, I can get behind that. Satriani must be disappointed in him as a former student, given how amazing most of his other students turned out.
Title: Re: RHWN - Oh noes! Evil madgjik in my guitar!!
Post by: Telarus on March 29, 2011, 08:03:25 AM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on March 28, 2011, 05:20:53 PM
Metallica's newest album (Death Magnetic) is actually GOOD. I don't know why they had to go 20 years between good albums, but it actually stands up to And Justice For All.

They had to kill Napster with fire and lawyers, and then wait for one of the founders to made it big enough (from Facebook) to buy their record label.

The Universe came full circle, so Metallica can kick ass again.
Title: Re: RHWN - Oh noes! Evil madgjik in my guitar!!
Post by: Telarus on March 29, 2011, 08:05:38 AM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on March 28, 2011, 08:16:57 PM
:lulz:

Yeah, I can get behind that. Satriani must be disappointed in him as a former student, given how amazing most of his other students turned out.

:lulz:

Have you guys heard any Chickenfoot (http://www.chickenfoot.us/)? I haven't been able to find much (although I haven't looked recently).
Title: Re: RHWN - Oh noes! Evil madgjik in my guitar!!
Post by: AFK on March 29, 2011, 12:02:56 PM
I heard little snippets when they were featured on That Metal Show.  They stand out in that there really aren't many bands around anymore that play that old-school hard rock style.  And I've always been a Hagar fan.  Liked Hagar Van Halen better than Roth Van Halen. 
Title: Re: RHWN - Oh noes! Evil madgjik in my guitar!!
Post by: East Coast Hustle on March 29, 2011, 04:35:21 PM
Chickenfoot is pretty generic-sounding, but for generic-sounding hrad rock they're pretty good. Satriani really doesn't show off much from what I can tell.
Title: Re: RHWN - Oh noes! Evil madgjik in my guitar!!
Post by: Mangrove on March 29, 2011, 08:51:54 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 28, 2011, 07:49:24 PM
Okay I just had another listen to All Nightmare Long, followed by Trapped Under Ice. My conclusion? Fuck Death Magnetic!  :argh!:

I've never ranked Hammett as a guitarist, he constantly seems to be trying to hit runs that are way beyond his capabilities so it comes across as kinda messy and falls out of time. This used to be okay when they were a young band and it suited them, also he used a lot of sick little blues runs to balance out the reaching too high shit. But by now he should have either learned to play or switched fucking instruments.

YAYYYY!!

Me either. I think he's awful and I watched some fairly recent footage (Sonisphere festival) and he didn't get any better than I remember his playing in the 80s.

His vibrato is weak and annoying and I'm not entirely sold on his intonation when string bending.
His solos have this monotonous, even, square sounding rhythm to them.
He does that stupid 'deedly deedly deedly' triplet pull off riff in just about everything he plays and it's lame.
Uses the wah-wah and fails to do anything interesting with it.

I was never a Metallica fan and I think Kirk was the always the deal breaker for me getting into them. I was a lone voice surrounded by the other metal heads who thought Kirk could do no wrong. Having watched him in interviews, he seems like an amiable enough guy, he might even be really cool to hang out with but I really detest his lead guitar work.

Wasn't big into Megadeth either, but I did enjoy Rust In Peace enough to go and see them live and to catch Marty Friedman who has more melodic content in his toe nail clippings than Mr Hammett.

I don't normally indulge in such musical politicking, but damn it - even to this day, the sound of a Kirk Hammett solo makes me hate the guitar.
Title: Re: RHWN - Oh noes! Evil madgjik in my guitar!!
Post by: Mangrove on March 29, 2011, 08:56:50 PM
PS

My original intention was to poke fun at Dave Mustaine but I got sidetracked!
Title: Re: RHWN - Oh noes! Evil madgjik in my guitar!!
Post by: AFK on March 30, 2011, 02:00:18 PM
Metallica never really struck me as much of a musician's band.  Cliff Burton was easily the most talented member when it came to playing their instruments.  Too bad he switched bunks with Kirk.     
Title: Re: RHWN - Oh noes! Evil madgjik in my guitar!!
Post by: AFK on March 30, 2011, 02:05:04 PM
Quote from: Mangrove on March 29, 2011, 08:56:50 PM
PS

My original intention was to poke fun at Dave Mustaine but I got sidetracked!

I've got money on him appearing on the 700 Club in the next few years.  Probably crying about this song and how the evil record companies and radio stations keep releasing it/playing it. 
Title: Re: RHWN - Oh noes! Evil madgjik in my guitar!!
Post by: Mangrove on March 30, 2011, 05:16:41 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on March 30, 2011, 02:05:04 PM
Quote from: Mangrove on March 29, 2011, 08:56:50 PM
PS

My original intention was to poke fun at Dave Mustaine but I got sidetracked!

I've got money on him appearing on the 700 Club in the next few years.  Probably crying about this song and how the evil record companies and radio stations keep releasing it/playing it. 

Start a campaign. If it's on i-Tunes, encourage many people to buy it. If it's not on i-Tunes, bug the shit out of them until it is....and then get people to buy it.

The song will become popular and he'll have a moral dilemma as to what to do with the royalty money.

Mustaine: I won't play that song! It's evil and full of bad magic!!
Accountant: Yes Dave, I understand....but it just paid off the beach house in Malibu.
Mustaine: Hmmm...really?