QuoteMarching in step with the GOP's nationwide war on a woman's right to choose, the Idaho legislature gave final approval to a bill that would outlaw abortions after 20 weeks. Modeled after Nebraska's first-in-the-nation measure, the bill — like the one passed in Kansas last week — is based on highly disputed medical research alleging that a fetus can feel pain at 20 weeks. Idaho's bill, however, also fails to include exceptions for rape, incest, severe fetal abnormality or the mental or psychological health of the mother. "Only when the pregnancy threatens the mother's life or physical health could a post-20-week abortion be performed."
http://thinkprogress.org/2011/04/07/idaho-almighty-abortion/
Quote"Is not the child of that rape or incest also a victim?" asked Rep. Shannon McMillan, R-Silverton. "It didn't ask to be here. It was here under violent circumstances perhaps, but that was through no fault of its own."
QuoteThe Idaho bill's House sponsor, state Rep. Brent Crane, R-Nampa, told legislators that the "hand of the Almighty" was at work. "His ways are higher than our ways," Crane said. "He has the ability to take difficult, tragic, horrific circumstances and then turn them into wonderful examples."
Quote from: Luna on April 07, 2011, 06:50:53 PM
The Idaho bill's House sponsor, state Rep. Brent Crane, R-Nampa, told legislators that the "hand of the Almighty" was at work. "His ways are higher than our ways," Crane said. "He has the ability to take difficult, tragic, horrific circumstances and then turn them into wonderful examples."
Then once it's born he'll work very hard to make sure the child doesn't have health care, social support or a decent education.
The almighty sure does work in mysterious ways.
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on April 07, 2011, 06:58:02 PM
Quote from: Luna on April 07, 2011, 06:50:53 PM
The Idaho bill's House sponsor, state Rep. Brent Crane, R-Nampa, told legislators that the "hand of the Almighty" was at work. "His ways are higher than our ways," Crane said. "He has the ability to take difficult, tragic, horrific circumstances and then turn them into wonderful examples."
Then once it's born he'll work very hard to make sure the child doesn't have health care, social support or a decent education.
The almighty sure does work in mysterious ways.
"Are there no workhouses?"
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 07, 2011, 06:59:49 PM
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on April 07, 2011, 06:58:02 PM
Quote from: Luna on April 07, 2011, 06:50:53 PM
The Idaho bill's House sponsor, state Rep. Brent Crane, R-Nampa, told legislators that the "hand of the Almighty" was at work. "His ways are higher than our ways," Crane said. "He has the ability to take difficult, tragic, horrific circumstances and then turn them into wonderful examples."
Then once it's born he'll work very hard to make sure the child doesn't have health care, social support or a decent education.
The almighty sure does work in mysterious ways.
Give them time.
"Are there no workhouses?"
Wow, no provision for severe deformity? Because, I had a friend who had an abortion at 22 weeks because her fetus' brain was on the outside, as in, there was no possibility of it surviving birth if it made it to term. Letting that baby go to term and then die during birth would have been unspeakably cruel.
Quote from: Nigel on April 07, 2011, 07:03:11 PM
Wow, no provision for severe deformity? Because, I had a friend who had an abortion at 22 weeks because her fetus' brain was on the outside, as in, there was no possibility of it surviving birth if it made it to term. Letting that baby go to term and then die during birth would have been unspeakably cruel.
That's what their god demands, so that's how it's gotta be.
Next person who brags to me about voting GoP I will fucking kneecap.
Are you questioning the almighty?
Lately we've been challenging him on the "being a prick" department.
We gotta give him a chance to catch up.
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on April 07, 2011, 07:06:20 PM
Are you questioning the almighty?
Lately we've been challenging him on the "being a prick" department.
We gotta give him a chance to catch up.
You bet your ass I am.
:lulz:
Quote from: Nigel on April 07, 2011, 07:03:11 PM
Wow, no provision for severe deformity? Because, I had a friend who had an abortion at 22 weeks because her fetus' brain was on the outside, as in, there was no possibility of it surviving birth if it made it to term. Letting that baby go to term and then die during birth would have been unspeakably cruel.
This.
Quote from: Luna on April 07, 2011, 07:04:04 PM
Quote from: Nigel on April 07, 2011, 07:03:11 PM
Wow, no provision for severe deformity? Because, I had a friend who had an abortion at 22 weeks because her fetus' brain was on the outside, as in, there was no possibility of it surviving birth if it made it to term. Letting that baby go to term and then die during birth would have been unspeakably cruel.
That's what their god demands, so that's how it's gotta be.
Next person who brags to me about voting GoP I will fucking kneecap.
And this.
Quote from: Luna on April 07, 2011, 07:04:04 PM
Quote from: Nigel on April 07, 2011, 07:03:11 PM
Wow, no provision for severe deformity? Because, I had a friend who had an abortion at 22 weeks because her fetus' brain was on the outside, as in, there was no possibility of it surviving birth if it made it to term. Letting that baby go to term and then die during birth would have been unspeakably cruel.
That's what their god demands, so that's how it's gotta be.
Next person who brags to me about voting GoP I will fucking kneecap.
Nah, their god doesn't give a shit. Or he suddenly started giving a shit after 3000 years of not caring. They just hate birth control in general, but they can pretend that abortion is about something other than a woman being a baby factory.
As someone who grew up in Idaho: fffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucccccccccckkkkkk. :argh!:
Problem is, Idaho's one of those states that should probably be two states. Northern Idaho is alright. Yeah, it still has its share of rednecks and people with stupid prejudices, especially when you get up into Bonner County, but for the most part it's a live-and-let-live kind of environment, similar to the mindset in Montana (actually I've been known to tell people that northern Idaho is just western Montana with cows instead of sheep). Northern Idaho's the kind of place where people still want their guns and bibles but, given enough time, might eventually legalize gay marriage based on the civil rights and equality arguments. On the red/blue index, it's pretty much purple. It's not a perfect place, and I wouldn't ever want to go back to living there full-time, but it's not awful, either.
Southern Idaho, on the other hand, is full of crazy religious wackos and is basically just northern Utah. Seriously, Mormons everywhere, and the local laws and culture reflect that. Unfortunately, that's where the state capitol is, that's where most of the state's tax dollars go when it comes to infrastructure, and there's just barely enough of a majority of the population down there to keep Idaho permanently red on the electoral map. Fuck southern Idaho.
Quote from: Nigel on April 07, 2011, 07:03:11 PM
Wow, no provision for severe deformity? Because, I had a friend who had an abortion at 22 weeks because her fetus' brain was on the outside, as in, there was no possibility of it surviving birth if it made it to term. Letting that baby go to term and then die during birth would have been unspeakably cruel.
Missing the point. This isn't about saving cute little brine shrimp-looking fetuses.
It's about telling you what to do. Putting you in your place. And if that means a few harlequin babies have to suffer for a few hours or days, well, that's a small price to pay for adherence to the Book of Timothy.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 07, 2011, 07:33:33 PM
Quote from: Nigel on April 07, 2011, 07:03:11 PM
Wow, no provision for severe deformity? Because, I had a friend who had an abortion at 22 weeks because her fetus' brain was on the outside, as in, there was no possibility of it surviving birth if it made it to term. Letting that baby go to term and then die during birth would have been unspeakably cruel.
Missing the point. This isn't about saving cute little brine shrimp-looking fetuses.
It's about telling you what to do. Putting you in your place. And if that means a few harlequin babies have to suffer for a few hours or days, well, that's a small price to pay for adherence to the Book of Timothy.
It's not "for the children" it's "use the children" and the consequences be damned? Or am I way off?
Quote from: Khara on April 07, 2011, 08:34:13 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 07, 2011, 07:33:33 PM
Quote from: Nigel on April 07, 2011, 07:03:11 PM
Wow, no provision for severe deformity? Because, I had a friend who had an abortion at 22 weeks because her fetus' brain was on the outside, as in, there was no possibility of it surviving birth if it made it to term. Letting that baby go to term and then die during birth would have been unspeakably cruel.
Missing the point. This isn't about saving cute little brine shrimp-looking fetuses.
It's about telling you what to do. Putting you in your place. And if that means a few harlequin babies have to suffer for a few hours or days, well, that's a small price to pay for adherence to the Book of Timothy.
It's not "for the children" it's "use the children" and the consequences be damned? Or am I way off?
Sounds right to me.
Quote from: Khara on April 07, 2011, 08:34:13 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 07, 2011, 07:33:33 PM
Quote from: Nigel on April 07, 2011, 07:03:11 PM
Wow, no provision for severe deformity? Because, I had a friend who had an abortion at 22 weeks because her fetus' brain was on the outside, as in, there was no possibility of it surviving birth if it made it to term. Letting that baby go to term and then die during birth would have been unspeakably cruel.
Missing the point. This isn't about saving cute little brine shrimp-looking fetuses.
It's about telling you what to do. Putting you in your place. And if that means a few harlequin babies have to suffer for a few hours or days, well, that's a small price to pay for adherence to the Book of Timothy.
It's not "for the children" it's "use the children" and the consequences be damned? Or am I way off?
In Africa, they use children for soldiers.
Here, we use them as weapons, just with a bit more subtlety.
And in other Idaho stupidity...
QuoteRepublicans in the Idaho state legislature rushed a bill through in the final days of the legislative session to pay the Idaho Republican Party $100,000 in attorney's fees and legal costs for a primary election lawsuit that it brought against the state and won. 81% of the Republicans in the Legislature are also members of the Idaho Republican Party. The Republicans additionally made a special effort to ensure that no matter what the outcome of the lawsuit, the cost would be paid by taxpayers.
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Democratic lawmakers were agog at the Republican Party's conduct. Sen. Elliot Werk, D-Boise said, "I have to point out, we're paying $100,000 for the Republican Party to sue the Republican Legislature, defended by the Republican secretary of state, in order to close primaries in Idaho – I just think this is so bad it's comical."
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/04/09/idaho-republicans-run-amok-sue-taxpayers-for-100k/
Part of me WISHES that there'd be some sort of "Conservative White Flight" to these sorts of states, out of the reaches of the places I live in and like to visit on a regular basis. That way they can fuck up themselves and theirs and leave me and mine alone.
...But that's the sort of thinking THEY employ, so I try to kill that part of me with fire. Or at least get it drunk enough to forget wtf it was on about in the first place.