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QuoteThe hacker collective Anonymous has attacked Sony websites all week, taking them down intermittently in retaliation for Sony's federal lawsuit against PlayStation 3 hacker George Hotz ("GeoHot"). But in recent days, "Operation Sony" morphed from a standard website attack into something a bit more personal, as some Anons formed a separate "Sony Recon" mission and began tracking down corporate executives, their wives, the schools their children attend, and the shops at which they buy their flowers. And the way they obtain that information can be ingenious—and disquieting.
Gathering this sort of information is referred to as "doxing" or collecting "dox" on targets, and such data is usually collected and distributed so that others can use it "for the lulz"—amusement, legitimate protest, or harassment.
Public information sources, if properly collated, can supply a wealth of detail. For instance, when a Sony exec's address was located, it was the work of a few moments on local government websites to find out what he pays in taxes, how large the house is, and who lives next door.
When public information just won't do, a bit of social engineering can sometimes supply an answer. It was social engineering that played a role in the Anonymous attacks on HBGary, and some Anonymous operatives are quite skilled at exploiting others.
For instance, one of Sony Recon's key players decided to find the home address and phone number of Sony Computer Entertainment America head Jack Tretton, and he claims to have succeeded using a clever social hack. Here's how it allegedly happened, over four hours:
While interesting, I feel that this kind of stuff crosses a line.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on April 12, 2011, 01:53:25 PM
While interesting, I feel that this kind of stuff crosses a line.
Straight over the line to creepy stalker shit.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on April 12, 2011, 01:53:25 PM
While interesting, I feel that this kind of stuff crosses a line.
LIKE
Not to mention, it's sloppy thinking.
Sony's CEO isn't the one bringing the lawsuit. It's the cadre of lawyers they hire to keep tabs on their copyrights. Anon should be finding ways of getting in there and fucking things up--deleting files, adding misinformation, leaking info.
By the way, that's also hella illegal, and no one should do that, ever.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on April 12, 2011, 01:53:25 PM
While interesting, I feel that this kind of stuff crosses a line.
It's WAY out of line, distributing data on people's children just because of who they work for. I can't see a good reason for anyone to want to know that.
Quote from: Richter on April 12, 2011, 06:01:15 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on April 12, 2011, 01:53:25 PM
While interesting, I feel that this kind of stuff crosses a line.
It's WAY out of line, distributing data on people's children just because of who they work for. I can't see a good reason for anyone to want to know that.
Fixed. Leave the kids alone, it's not their fault.
Quote from: Luna on April 12, 2011, 06:09:24 PM
Quote from: Richter on April 12, 2011, 06:01:15 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on April 12, 2011, 01:53:25 PM
While interesting, I feel that this kind of stuff crosses a line.
It's WAY out of line, distributing data on people's children just because of who they work for. I can't see a good reason for anyone to want to know that.
Fixed. Leave the kids alone, it's not their fault.
Yeah I agree. You don't fuck with people's kids period.
Yeah, the problem with affiliating oneself with Anonymous is that people with shitty judgment and no ethical sense also affiliate themselves with Anonymous.
Where's Wise Beard Man when you really need him?
Bringing kids into it is pretty evil minded. Other than that, I don't particularly object to harshing corporate types just on general principles.
I've honestly had few issues with most of what Anon has done and I have been actively involved in some of their endeavors here in St. Louis. It's one thing to protest, it's quite another to start fucking with major corporations illegally. I say that after having fully supported the hacking of the WBC site. I could give two shits about those fuckers, but Sony, yeah they will come after you guns blazing.
I mean hell, yes the Scientologists might have killed, us but our kids were safe. The WBC may have protested or even prayed for our eternal damnation, but our kids were safe. Sony will fuck you up where even your kids won't be able to recover from it.
If any corporation is as badass as you say it is, I'm inclined to hate them and want their CEOs fucked with even more.
Because there's only one thing I hate more than profit maximizers, and that's tyrants.
Not the point, in this case.
Anon said they were doing this because of Sony's legal case against a hacker, not because Sony was a tyrannical company.
General principles, LMNO. I am bigoted against corporate entities.
That's fine, but if your STATED GOAL revolves around the legal department, datamining the executives is counterproductive.
Quote from: Sigmatic on April 12, 2011, 06:42:03 PM
If any corporation is as badass as you say it is, I'm inclined to hate them and want their CEOs fucked with even more.
Because there's only one thing I hate more than profit maximizers, and that's tyrants.
Any major corporation you fuck with in this way is going to fuck you up. You can hate it all you want but nothing as retarded as hacking their website is going to change that. You are fucking with their bottom line. You are fucking with their stockholders. You have been here long enough to know it isn't for the children it's all about the stockholders.
You want to effect change, run for office, you'll change your mind if nothing else!! :wink:
You talk like I had any part in the attack on Sony. I didn't. For one, it was illegal.
I'm just rooting for them because I'm a generally malcontent anti-corporatist. Any attack on a corporation is fine by me.
Except when they get kids involved. That's not cool.
Sony can try and fuck with Anonymous in retaliation, but it only ever encourages them.
Quote from: Sigmatic on April 12, 2011, 08:20:28 PM
You talk like I had any part in the attack on Sony. I didn't. For one, it was illegal.
I'm just rooting for them because I'm a generally malcontent anti-corporatist. Any attack on a corporation is fine by me.
Except when they get kids involved. That's not cool.
Sony can try and fuck with Anonymous in retaliation, but it only ever encourages them.
Ummmm reading into a generic 'you' can be hazardous to your psyche..... :wink:
And Sony isn't going to try, I can pretty much guarantee someone is going down for this latest shenanigans on Anon.
Someone with a name, yes. Anonymous (the group) will continue, and probably escalate until Sony gives up.
You don't understand. Having a named troll go martyr just makes the silent majority of 4chan get more..."patriotic"?
The point is that Anonymous will never run out of trolls.
Quote from: Sigmatic on April 12, 2011, 08:46:18 PM
Someone with a name, yes. Anonymous (the group) will continue, and probably escalate until Sony gives up completely destroys enough people financially with legal fees alone.
You don't understand. Having a named troll go martyr just makes the silent majority of 4chan get more..."patriotic"?
The point is that Anonymous will never run out of trolls idiots willing to go under a bus for something really not worth it.
Fixxed that for you. :wink:
In all serious though, if these people continue to push this bullshit they are going to end up fucking shit up for everyone. Anon cannot effect change, they don't have the financial wherewithal to do so, Sony,
they can effect change.
Money talks.
I don't cop to learned helplessness in the face of monolithic financial entities. I'm probably just as cynical as you as far as these things go, but I refuse to behave like a scared little serf just because there are scary people with lots of money.
OKM
Quote from: Sigmatic on April 12, 2011, 10:14:44 PM
I don't cop to learned helplessness in the face of monolithic financial entities. I'm probably just as cynical as you as far as these things go, but I refuse to behave like a scared little serf just because there are scary people with lots of money.
OKM
Married?
Got kids?
Will your ideals feed them?
No, I have less to lose, so naturally I can afford to care more about this sort of thing.
I'm not saying you should be putting your livelihood on the line to play fuckaround with Sony, I'm saying I'm glad some people are.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on April 12, 2011, 01:53:25 PM
While interesting, I feel that this kind of stuff crosses a line.
Isn't Anonymous kind of a habitual line-crosser?
Nobody's surprised.
Oh my stars and garters, those merry pranksters have taken their hijinks too far this time!
This is a group that has people going around trying to get people to commit suicide on camera. They're not good guys.
They're a society of The Joker.
Sony shutdown PSN 3 days ago because of an "external intrusion".
I'm predicting Anonymous is gonna have a bunch of pissed off basement dwellers of their own to deal with.
they claimed responsibility for the last outage, but not this one.
all i know is i can't get my fix of killzone3 :argh!:
http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/gaming.gadgets/04/26/playstation.network.hack/index.html?iref=NS1
Someone got into the PSN and got docs on users. Even if Anon isn't claiming responsibility for this one, it isn't going to reflect well on them. Mobs can turn rather quickly.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on April 27, 2011, 01:11:10 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/gaming.gadgets/04/26/playstation.network.hack/index.html?iref=NS1
Someone got into the PSN and got docs on users. Even if Anon isn't claiming responsibility for this one, it isn't going to reflect well on them. Mobs can turn rather quickly.
Your avatar looks like a lopsided grill until I look directly at it.
As nasty as all this is, does anyone remember when Sony released CDs that installed rootkits onto the computers of anyone who used said CDs? I'm having a tough time feeling bad for them.
Quote from: SHIBBOLEET THE ANNIHILATOR on April 27, 2011, 07:21:50 PM
As nasty as all this is, does anyone remember when Sony released CDs that installed rootkits onto the computers of anyone who used said CDs? I'm having a tough time feeling bad for them.
Oh I don't feel bad for them, I just think there will be people under a bus that really don't deserve it.
Yeah, like me... freakin stupid Sony.
Esp since this flies in the face of their claimed security model. They 'claimed' that the cardholder data was stored on a separate server from the PII data (name, address etc) and it was only decryptable via calls from the device it was created from. That somehow they weren't hashing the password is just completely irresponsible.
I am extremely pissed at Sony. The hacker sucks donkey balls for stealing people's data... but good data security would have made this a much smaller mess. Don't even get me started on the huge delay between 'We've been attacked, but your data is safe' to 'Whoops, they got all your data'
:argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!:
This is awesome. Anon is everyone's hero until they get in the way of playing video games.
:lulz:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 27, 2011, 09:07:11 PM
This is awesome. Anon is everyone's hero until they get in the way of playing video games.
:lulz:
I doubt this was Anon. Though I wouldn't be surprised if some one/ones who were social engineering for Anon stumbled across the big pile of money with no one watching the door and took matters into their own hands.
Besides, I'm far more pissed at Sony for their shoddy security practices. Hell, its impossible to 'steal' the passwords on a site like PD.com because the system only stores a hash of the password. Either Sony wasn't hashing the passwords, or they were using some stupid and broken hash like Microsoft's old LanMan crap.
Quote from: Khara on April 12, 2011, 08:58:28 PM
Quote from: Sigmatic on April 12, 2011, 08:46:18 PM
Someone with a name, yes. Anonymous (the group) will continue, and probably escalate until Sony gives up completely destroys enough people financially with legal fees alone.
You don't understand. Having a named troll go martyr just makes the silent majority of 4chan get more..."patriotic"?
The point is that Anonymous will never run out of trolls idiots willing to go under a bus for something really not worth it.
Fixxed that for you. :wink:
In all serious though, if these people continue to push this bullshit they are going to end up fucking shit up for everyone. Anon cannot effect change, they don't have the financial wherewithal to do so, Sony, they can effect change.
Money talks.
That money becomes a greater problem when it comes to crossing borders.
Know how many of Anonymous are in Brazil? In Russia? More than a few of their most hardcore hackers come from regions of the world where internet laws are a lot more flexible, and where Sony's lawyers will be throwing money down a black hole.
Quote from: Cain on April 27, 2011, 09:24:35 PM
Quote from: Khara on April 12, 2011, 08:58:28 PM
Quote from: Sigmatic on April 12, 2011, 08:46:18 PM
Someone with a name, yes. Anonymous (the group) will continue, and probably escalate until Sony gives up completely destroys enough people financially with legal fees alone.
You don't understand. Having a named troll go martyr just makes the silent majority of 4chan get more..."patriotic"?
The point is that Anonymous will never run out of trolls idiots willing to go under a bus for something really not worth it.
Fixxed that for you. :wink:
In all serious though, if these people continue to push this bullshit they are going to end up fucking shit up for everyone. Anon cannot effect change, they don't have the financial wherewithal to do so, Sony, they can effect change.
Money talks.
That money becomes a greater problem when it comes to crossing borders.
Know how many of Anonymous are in Brazil? In Russia? More than a few of their most hardcore hackers come from regions of the world where internet laws are a lot more flexible, and where Sony's lawyers will be throwing money down a black hole.
this is the correct international motorcycle. Some of my favorite FBI stories are from the guys that have had to deal with the Russian and French law enforcement :D
Sony's only hope really, in that instance, would be some sort of extradition bullshit. But there are many countries that have no such agreement so...yeah...that could be an issue, right there.
Quote from: Jenne on April 27, 2011, 09:29:26 PM
Sony's only hope really, in that instance, would be some sort of extradition bullshit. But there are many countries that have no such agreement so...yeah...that could be an issue, right there.
Sony's only hope is that they will fire their PR team for this complete botch of a response.
:argh!:
I support whomever did this on account of I like the idea of jackasses kicking folks like Sony in the fork. Not for any sense of justice, and not because I have anything against Sony, but because I like the idea that there's a pilot fish for every shark.
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on April 27, 2011, 09:30:49 PM
Quote from: Jenne on April 27, 2011, 09:29:26 PM
Sony's only hope really, in that instance, would be some sort of extradition bullshit. But there are many countries that have no such agreement so...yeah...that could be an issue, right there.
Sony's only hope is that they will fire their PR team for this complete botch of a response.
:argh!:
Sony, because Caucasians are TOO DAMNED TALL!
Someone on NPR today argued that its a culture thing in Japan... like no one wants to say "Oh by the way... you may all be fucked!" They pointed to the issues with Toyota and even the government response to the recent disasters as examples.
I dunno if thats true, but it was an interesting perspective.
...it's a shitty excuse for non transparency...
Quote from: Jenne on April 27, 2011, 09:50:12 PM
...it's a shitty excuse for non transparency...
Yeah, from our perspective. But its exactly where most American companies were a decade ago... Gods, Microsoft was among the worst on announcing major vulnerabilities. Maybe its a ummm wall in the Japanese BiP?
I wonder if their BiP is Feng shui compliant?
They need to catch the fuck up is all.
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on April 27, 2011, 09:54:52 PM
Quote from: Jenne on April 27, 2011, 09:50:12 PM
...it's a shitty excuse for non transparency...
Yeah, from our perspective. But its exactly where most American companies were a decade ago... Gods, Microsoft was among the worst on announcing major vulnerabilities. Maybe its a ummm wall in the Japanese BiP?
I wonder if their BiP is Feng shui compliant?
:lulz:
That just struck me as really funny!
Quote from: Khara on April 27, 2011, 10:07:22 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on April 27, 2011, 09:54:52 PM
Quote from: Jenne on April 27, 2011, 09:50:12 PM
...it's a shitty excuse for non transparency...
Yeah, from our perspective. But its exactly where most American companies were a decade ago... Gods, Microsoft was among the worst on announcing major vulnerabilities. Maybe its a ummm wall in the Japanese BiP?
I wonder if their BiP is Feng shui compliant?
:lulz:
That just struck me as really funny!
:thanks:
I've got TIGER BLOOD!
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Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on April 27, 2011, 08:26:43 PM
Yeah, like me... freakin stupid Sony.
Esp since this flies in the face of their claimed security model. They 'claimed' that the cardholder data was stored on a separate server from the PII data (name, address etc) and it was only decryptable via calls from the device it was created from. That somehow they weren't hashing the password is just completely irresponsible.
I am extremely pissed at Sony. The hacker sucks donkey balls for stealing people's data... but good data security would have made this a much smaller mess. Don't even get me started on the huge delay between 'We've been attacked, but your data is safe' to 'Whoops, they got all your data'
:argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!:
Well, in all fairness, Sony doesn't give a shit about your privacy or the security of your data.
Quote from: SHIBBOLEET THE ANNIHILATOR on April 29, 2011, 06:48:01 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on April 27, 2011, 08:26:43 PM
Yeah, like me... freakin stupid Sony.
Esp since this flies in the face of their claimed security model. They 'claimed' that the cardholder data was stored on a separate server from the PII data (name, address etc) and it was only decryptable via calls from the device it was created from. That somehow they weren't hashing the password is just completely irresponsible.
I am extremely pissed at Sony. The hacker sucks donkey balls for stealing people's data... but good data security would have made this a much smaller mess. Don't even get me started on the huge delay between 'We've been attacked, but your data is safe' to 'Whoops, they got all your data'
:argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!:
Well, in all fairness, Sony doesn't give a shit about your privacy or the security of your data.
So it would seem!
Again, I support the hackers on religious grounds.
And I, for general reasons of hate.
Quote from: Sigmatic on April 29, 2011, 07:23:34 PM
And I, for general reasons of hate.
That's what I said. :?
Whoops, I was speaking an outside dialect.
Religion. That's what I meant.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 27, 2011, 09:07:11 PM
This is awesome. Anon is everyone's hero until they get in the way of playing video games.
:lulz:
I know! I'm loving it!!
This too, is the 21st fucking century :lulz:
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on April 12, 2011, 01:53:25 PM
While interesting, I feel that this kind of stuff crosses a line.
Depends on the context. In this case I think it is going to far. Used against the financial sector, who really do seem intent on waging an actual war against us, I don't think it would be too far at all.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 29, 2011, 06:55:12 PM
Again, I support the hackers on religious grounds.
I don't because my name address and date of birth were all released to the internet in a text file.
Quote from: *GrumpButt* on May 08, 2011, 11:09:49 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on April 28, 2011, 05:27:50 AM
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OOOOO :x :x :x
I find myself less disturbed by the tiger crap than I am by the spider-man thong.
Quote from: Luna on May 08, 2011, 11:12:20 PM
Quote from: *GrumpButt* on May 08, 2011, 11:09:49 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on April 28, 2011, 05:27:50 AM
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OOOOO :x :x :x
I find myself less disturbed by the tiger crap than I am by the spider-man thong.
You think this is bad, Alty WOMPed my face onto that pic once and it looks disturbingly, awfully real.
Quote from: Luna on May 08, 2011, 11:12:20 PM
Quote from: *GrumpButt* on May 08, 2011, 11:09:49 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on April 28, 2011, 05:27:50 AM
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OOOOO :x :x :x
I find myself less disturbed by the tiger crap than I am by the spider-man thong.
That's what I was :x about lol.
Ha I'd love to see it :lulz:
Quote from: *GrumpButt* on May 08, 2011, 11:19:49 PM
Ha I'd love to see it :lulz:
I was actually mistaken. FP apparently did the original, which I can't seem to find. Alty did this stylization:
Quote from: Alty on February 23, 2010, 01:54:52 AM
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Quote from: Eater of Clowns on May 08, 2011, 11:25:11 PM
Quote from: *GrumpButt* on May 08, 2011, 11:19:49 PM
Ha I'd love to see it :lulz:
I was actually mistaken. FP apparently did the original, which I can't seem to find. Alty did this stylization:
Quote from: Alty on February 23, 2010, 01:54:52 AM
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:lulz: :lulz:
Quote from: Luna on May 08, 2011, 11:12:20 PM
I find myself less disturbed by the tiger crap than I am by the spider-man thong.
He can use it to hump the ceiling, you know.
It also sprays "web".
Quote from: Triple Zero on May 09, 2011, 06:40:26 PM
Quote from: Luna on May 08, 2011, 11:12:20 PM
I find myself less disturbed by the tiger crap than I am by the spider-man thong.
He can use it to hump the ceiling, you know.
It also sprays "web".
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