I don't know if this has been posted elsewhere, feel free to delete/move/merge if it has. My girlfriend brought this to my attention. I giggled like a loon. So naturally I wanted to share.
http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/568620/tn_senate_oks_bill_that_would_make_it_illegal_to_mention_the_existence_of_gay_people_to_students/ (http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/568620/tn_senate_oks_bill_that_would_make_it_illegal_to_mention_the_existence_of_gay_people_to_students/)
QuoteThe Tennessee Senate Judiciary Committee has approved one lawmaker's revolutionary plan to fight the "homosexual agenda": don't tell students gay people exist until they get to high school.
So what happens to a kid who talks about his two daddies during Bring-A-Parent-To-School day?
Are bi-sexuals also on the pretend-they-aren't-real list or will they be referred to as creatures of myth and legend?
QuoteWhat's even more sad is that opposition to the bill in the state Senate focused not on the legislation being damaging, hateful, and downright stupid, but rather on the fact that the bill might be redundant:
Well we can't have redundant legislature. I mean, it's never happened before so we shouldn't start
that trend
now.
QuoteTracy proposed an amendment to rewrite Campfield's bill to require the Board of Education to study the issue and determine whether any teaching about homosexuality is occurring and, if so, recommend what should be done about it.
So basically they want a study that will determine if "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" should be instituted in the elementary/middle school classroom.
Hehehehe. Hehehe. Hehe. He. Ha!
It's really just the logical extension of conservatives ignoring the fact that THEY'RE gay until they're caught doing meth with gay hookers.
Denial is such a hard thing to overcome.
Well, it's certainly a good thing they won't find out about homosexuals outside of the classroom! :lulz:
Face fucking palm.
Quote from: Nigel on April 26, 2011, 12:48:53 AM
Face fucking palm.
I don't understand how anyone can get bored, anymore.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 26, 2011, 12:50:33 AM
Quote from: Nigel on April 26, 2011, 12:48:53 AM
Face fucking palm.
I don't understand how anyone can get bored, anymore.
There's never a dull moment, these days. Oil spills, riots all over the world, natural disasters, Glen Beck . . .
Bannings, burning, and beatings - oh my!
We need a bill making it illegal to tell kids that santa claus isn't real.
a federal bill pretending Tennessee isn't real...
I wonder if this would act as a double-edged sword and prohibit the use of anti-homosexual slurs in school.
This decade is turning out to be one of the funniest OF ALL TIME!! I'm absolutely loving it! :lulz:
Quote from: Risus on April 26, 2011, 03:29:28 AM
I wonder if this would act as a double-edged sword and prohibit the use of anti-homosexual slurs in school.
Many young kids say "that's gay" for anything "that sucks."
If this bill works, hopefully the chil'ren wont know the existence of homosexuality until they're old enough to handle such a disturbing concept and firmly rooted in Jesus
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Because we all know the point of schools is to prevent children from knowing things.
Judging by test scores I think were doing a damn good job.
This is hypocritical because when I was in elementary school I learned about things like the Holocaust and the Black Plague. Human beings being turned in to soap is ok but men kissing other men will warp children for life.
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on April 26, 2011, 07:46:05 AM
Because we all know the point of schools is to prevent children from knowing things.
Judging by test scores I think were doing a damn good job.
This is hypocritical because when I was in elementary school I learned about things like the Holocaust and the Black Plague. Human beings being turned in to soap is ok but men kissing other men will warp children for life.
A fair amount of those people that got turned into soap were gay too.
Although that's a bit of a strawman, since they are still teaching about homosexuals at a highschool level and you don't get holocaust until highschool either.
Quote from: Risus on April 26, 2011, 03:29:28 AM
I wonder if this would act as a double-edged sword and prohibit the use of anti-homosexual slurs in school.
By teachers, definitely, but that's probably not really allowed anyway. I don't think this makes it illegal for a student to talk about homosexuality.
If it did, that would be :lulz:, or possibly :horrormirth:.
or maybe just :kingmeh:. My funnydar has been a bit off, lately.
The US public school system is so far down the shitter these days I don't think there is much more they can do that will surprise me. :sad:
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on April 26, 2011, 07:53:01 AM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on April 26, 2011, 07:46:05 AM
Because we all know the point of schools is to prevent children from knowing things.
Judging by test scores I think were doing a damn good job.
This is hypocritical because when I was in elementary school I learned about things like the Holocaust and the Black Plague. Human beings being turned in to soap is ok but men kissing other men will warp children for life.
A fair amount of those people that got turned into soap were gay too.
Although that's a bit of a strawman, since they are still teaching about homosexuals at a highschool level and you don't get holocaust until highschool either.
No. I don't know about you, but I was taught about the Holocaust in Grade 2.
Of course, this was in Canada.
Bill text for those interested:
http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/107/Bill/SB0049.pdf
Quote
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SENATE BILL 49
By Campfield
AN ACT to amend Tennessee Code Annotated, Title 49,
Chapter 6, Part 10, relative to education.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF TENNESSEE:
SECTION 1. Tennessee Code Annotated, Section 49-6-1005, is amended by adding
the following as new subsection (c) and by relettering the existing subsection (c) accordingly:
(c)
(1) The general assembly recognizes the sensitivity of particular subjects
that are best explained and discussed in the home. Human sexuality is a
complex subject with societal, scientific, psychological, and historical
implications; those implications are best understood by children with sufficient
maturity to grasp their complexity.
(2) Notwithstanding any other law to the contrary, no public elementary or
middle school shall provide any instruction or material that discusses sexual
orientation other than heterosexuality.
SECTION 2. This act shall take effect upon becoming a law, the public welfare requiring
it.
So, won't stop anti-gay bullying.
Quote from: Khara on April 26, 2011, 02:21:12 PM
The US public school system is so far down the shitter these days I don't think there is much more they can do that will surprise me. :sad:
i don't even think this qualifies as tempting fate, because i am absolutely certain that, while it may not make it to print, something horrible happens in the public school system that would dismay and confound you...
i get a few stories each year from my mom (a teacher) that blow my mind, and that's just one school.
QuoteThe general assembly recognizes the sensitivity of particular subjects
that are best explained and discussed in the home.
Human sexuality is a
complex subject with societal, scientific, psychological, and historical
implications; those implications are best understood by children with sufficient
maturity to grasp their complexity.
These two sentences are mutually incompatible.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on April 26, 2011, 02:29:16 PM
QuoteThe general assembly recognizes the sensitivity of particular subjects
that are best explained and discussed in the home.
Human sexuality is a
complex subject with societal, scientific, psychological, and historical
implications; those implications are best understood by children with sufficient
maturity to grasp their complexity.
These two sentences are mutually incompatible.
So, apparently, are politics and education.
ZANG!
I think it is only fair, then, to ignore Tennessee until THEY go away.
I'm willing to exempt Nashville, Memphis, and Lynchburg from that edict.
Good point.
Quote from: Luna on April 26, 2011, 02:30:21 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on April 26, 2011, 02:29:16 PM
QuoteThe general assembly recognizes the sensitivity of particular subjects
that are best explained and discussed in the home.
Human sexuality is a
complex subject with societal, scientific, psychological, and historical
implications; those implications are best understood by children with sufficient
maturity to grasp their complexity.
These two sentences are mutually incompatible.
So, apparently, are politics and education.
I know this was just a snarky comment, and i'm not trying to turn it into a troll, but....
since the general consensus in society (and this board) is that public education is a very good thing, despite its current shortcomings, and that establishing it via policy seems to make it susceptible to shenanigans such as this... what is the best way to insulate the educational curriculum from political gesturing? (i'm taking as read that this bill is put forward only as such)
is there a way to provide public education
without the spectre of politics tainting it?
Make a basic understanding of the scientific method a requirement when running for office.
Quote from: Iptuous on April 26, 2011, 02:52:30 PM
Quote from: Luna on April 26, 2011, 02:30:21 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on April 26, 2011, 02:29:16 PM
QuoteThe general assembly recognizes the sensitivity of particular subjects
that are best explained and discussed in the home.
Human sexuality is a
complex subject with societal, scientific, psychological, and historical
implications; those implications are best understood by children with sufficient
maturity to grasp their complexity.
These two sentences are mutually incompatible.
So, apparently, are politics and education.
I know this was just a snarky comment, and i'm not trying to turn it into a troll, but....
since the general consensus in society (and this board) is that public education is a very good thing, despite its current shortcomings, and that establishing it via policy seems to make it susceptible to shenanigans such as this... what is the best way to insulate the educational curriculum from political gesturing? (i'm taking as read that this bill is put forward only as such)
is there a way to provide public education without the spectre of politics tainting it?
Sure. Whenever the politicians pull this shit, vote their asses out of office. Show them in NO uncertain terms that screwing with the education of the kids is NOT acceptable.
I won't hold my breath, though.
I googled "Tennessee introduces bill that would make it illegal . . . "
And got two results with a ton of hits. One is the "Don't Say Gay" bill and the other one is a bill Tennessee introduced that will make being Muslim in that state illegal.
. . . gay Muslim school kids are fucked.
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on April 26, 2011, 06:22:52 PM
...a bill Tennessee introduced that will make being Muslim in that state illegal.
:aaa:
Please tell me you're shitting me.
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on April 26, 2011, 06:22:52 PM
and the other one is a bill Tennessee introduced that will make being Muslim in that state illegal.
WTF? Link? For the love of Sweet Baby Jesus, LINK?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 26, 2011, 06:24:17 PM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on April 26, 2011, 06:22:52 PM
and the other one is a bill Tennessee introduced that will make being Muslim in that state illegal.
WTF? Link? For the love of Sweet Baby Jesus, LINK?
Fuck me sideways.
http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/03/bill-would-make-it-illegal-to-be-muslim-in-tennessee/
http://www.amperspective.com/?page_id=1231
Er. Luna's links and . . .
http://europenews.dk/en/node/40493
Quote from: Luna on April 26, 2011, 06:26:37 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 26, 2011, 06:24:17 PM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on April 26, 2011, 06:22:52 PM
and the other one is a bill Tennessee introduced that will make being Muslim in that state illegal.
WTF? Link? For the love of Sweet Baby Jesus, LINK?
Fuck me sideways.
http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/03/bill-would-make-it-illegal-to-be-muslim-in-tennessee/
http://www.amperspective.com/?page_id=1231
QuoteThe bills supporters are calling it an anti-terrorist measure that protects the constitution
:lulz:
To save the constitution, we had to destroy it!
:lulz:
Imagine that...They are now trying to make advancing an idea illegal.
http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/107/Bill/SB1028.pdf
The bill itself, reading now.
I love the opening line.
QuoteThe threat from terrorism continues to plague the United States
generally and Tennessee in particular.
Bolding mine.
Damn those pesky Muslims for hating the Home of Country Music. O.o Every time a country singer gets booed off stage it's terrorism.
QuoteThis part neither targets, nor incidentally prohibits or inhibits, the peaceful practice of any religion, and in particular, the practice of Islam by its adherents. Rather, this part criminalizes only the knowing provision of material support or resources, as defined in § 39-13-803, to designated sharia organizations, as defined in § 39-13-904, or to known sharia-jihad organizations with the intent of furthering their criminal behavior.
Oh, well. That's a huge relief. O.o
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on April 26, 2011, 06:31:04 PM
I love the opening line.
QuoteThe threat from terrorism continues to plague the United States
generally and Tennessee in particular.
Bolding mine.
Damn those pesky Muslims for hating the Home of Country Music. O.o Every time a country singer gets booed off stage it's terrorism.
Yeah, remember when those Muslims flew that plane into the Grand Ol' Opry?
Oh, wait...
SO EGREGIOUSLY, UNEQUIVOCALLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL. KICK THEM OUT OF THE UNION THEN DECLARE WAR.
NO QUARTER. FUCK YOU, TENNESSEE. FUCK YOUR STUPID ASS.
Quote from: Sigmatic on April 26, 2011, 06:34:59 PM
SO EGREGIOUSLY, UNEQUIVOCALLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL. KICK THEM OUT OF THE UNION THEN DECLARE WAR.
NO QUARTER. FUCK YOU, TENNESSEE. FUCK YOUR STUPID ASS.
What are the chances to run with that idea as their intended goal?
Quote from: Sigmatic on April 26, 2011, 06:34:59 PM
NO QUARTER. FUCK YOU, TENNESSEE. FUCK YOUR STUPID ASS.
"AH'M GONNA IGNORE YER HOMOSEKSHOOL CUSSIN'."
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Quote from: Sigmatic on April 26, 2011, 06:34:59 PM
SO EGREGIOUSLY, UNEQUIVOCALLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL. KICK THEM OUT OF THE UNION THEN DECLARE WAR.
NO QUARTER. FUCK YOU, TENNESSEE. FUCK YOUR STUPID ASS.
:lulz:
My sentiments as well.
I need a C-130 and 42,000 pounds of frogs.
Quote from: Sigmatic on April 26, 2011, 06:43:46 PM
I need a C-130 and 42,000 pounds of frogs.
:horrormirth:
There's nothing for it.
YOU WANT THE BIBLE?? YOU CAN HAVE THE BIBLE!!
1) Set up proxy located in Tennessee.
2) Post with misspelled words and terrible grammar.
3) Act all redneck on any dissenters to this bill.
4) Support it in as many places as possible.
5) Gradually alter the concept, in such a way that everyone who supports it will agree with.
S'ok, one day the redneck states will realize they're just burying shit that will eventually come home to roost. I cannot WAIT for the current pendulum swing to the right to end, though.
As a friend of mine posted on Facebook today:
"Your kids won't become left-handed if you teach them that some people are left-handed."
When i was younger, i experimented with left-handedness.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on April 26, 2011, 07:56:16 PM
When i was younger, i experimented with left-handedness.
Hey, didn't we all?
Gd.. Funny and sad at the same time.
Wth....
I am soooo glad I live here in Tn. It makes me happy to be a Jesus lovin Redneck!!!
And the best part is: My kids get to grow up here and learn all kinds of good stuffs! YAY
Quote from: Luna on April 26, 2011, 07:57:05 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on April 26, 2011, 07:56:16 PM
When i was younger, i experimented with left-handedness.
Hey, didn't we all?
FUCK YOU GUISE!!!!!!!
WE ARE TIRED OF YOU EXPERIMENTING WITH LEFTHANDEDNESS LIKE WE ARE JUST SOME SORT OF EXOTIC SUB CULTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I was in TN for most of elementary / middle school. I didn't find out about homosexuality until high school (when I moved to Ohio.)
Quote from: Golden Applesauce on April 27, 2011, 01:12:08 AM
I was in TN for most of elementary / middle school. I didn't find out about homosexuality until high school (when I moved to Ohio.)
That's because all Damnyankees are gay and no one from the south is except Clay Aikens.
Quote from: Golden Applesauce on April 27, 2011, 01:12:08 AM
I was in TN for most of elementary / middle school. I didn't find out about homosexuality until high school (when I moved to Ohio.)
You didn't watch Three's Company or any sitcoms on TV in the 80's/90's?
I mean, do TNns outlaw programming like Glee or some shit?
Quote from: Jenne on April 27, 2011, 01:21:36 AM
Quote from: Golden Applesauce on April 27, 2011, 01:12:08 AM
I was in TN for most of elementary / middle school. I didn't find out about homosexuality until high school (when I moved to Ohio.)
You didn't watch Three's Company or any sitcoms on TV in the 80's/90's?
I mean, do TNns outlaw programming like Glee or some shit?
Dont give them any ideas.
I don't actually remember being instructed as to what homosexuality was in school. The topic may have come up in health, but, come on? Kids will probably learn about the existence of homosexuality pretty early on just by being in the world. It's not like Thomas Jefferson- you can't just leave homosexuality out of education with nobody being any the wiser.
I grew up in TN. Yeah yeah it explains a lot. I don't remember how old I was when I found out what homosexual meant but I do know it was never discussed in any class I had in TN or later in High School in NC.
I think it needs to be a part of any sex ed class. While you don't necessarily need graphic details, protection and the basics need to be covered.
And that is just another reason they took my southern belle crown. I'm not backasswards enough!!!
Quote from: Jenne on April 27, 2011, 01:21:36 AM
Quote from: Golden Applesauce on April 27, 2011, 01:12:08 AM
I was in TN for most of elementary / middle school. I didn't find out about homosexuality until high school (when I moved to Ohio.)
You didn't watch Three's Company or any sitcoms on TV in the 80's/90's?
I mean, do TNns outlaw programming like Glee or some shit?
About 95% of the television I watched in that age range was Bill Nye the Science Guy, The Magic School Bus, and Pokemon. For the longest time, my understanding of sex was "what you to do to fertilize the ovum so it can develop into a baby." I was just completely unaware of the social / psychological factors surrounding sex.
Quote from: Golden Applesauce on April 27, 2011, 02:53:04 AM
Quote from: Jenne on April 27, 2011, 01:21:36 AM
Quote from: Golden Applesauce on April 27, 2011, 01:12:08 AM
I was in TN for most of elementary / middle school. I didn't find out about homosexuality until high school (when I moved to Ohio.)
You didn't watch Three's Company or any sitcoms on TV in the 80's/90's?
I mean, do TNns outlaw programming like Glee or some shit?
About 95% of the television I watched in that age range was Bill Nye the Science Guy, The Magic School Bus, and Pokemon. For the longest time, my understanding of sex was "what you to do to fertilize the ovum so it can develop into a baby." I was just completely unaware of the social / psychological factors surrounding sex.
Funny how society hides that from us, and then clubs us over the head with it later. :fnord:
I came home from my first day of kindergarten and asked my mom what 69 was because the big kids on the bus were talking about it. The next day I asked what a 'cock sucker' was and why anyone would want to suck on a chicken. It went down hill from there. The kids were calling each other faggots and butt pirates with all manner of gesticulation and miming to accompany their words. With that kind of help, who doesn't figure it out?
http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2011/apr/21/dont-say-gay-bill-clears-senate-panel/ (http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2011/apr/21/dont-say-gay-bill-clears-senate-panel/)
This was passed on the 21st. I'm a little behind on all of this, apparently. But it gets funnier.
QuoteAs introduced, the bill would have put into law a declaration that it is illegal to discuss any sexual behavior other than heterosexuality prior to the ninth grade.
Okay. What the fuck ever. 9th graders are teenagers. By then you can't tell those kids a god damn thing about sex because they've got the internet, TV, slutty friends/older relatives/both, and porn. They've got it all figured out.
QuoteBut when it came before the Senate Education Committee, Sen. Jim Tracy, R-Shelbyville, contended current law already prohibits such instruction by deeming it a misdemeanor to teach any sex education that is not part of the "family life curriculum" adopted by the state Board of Education.
D'oh. A misdemeanor to counsel a gay kid in school. A misdemeanor to answer questions about 'alternatives'.
QuoteTracy proposed an amendment to rewrite Campfield's bill to require the Board of Education to study the issue and determine whether any teaching about homosexuality is occurring and, if so, recommend what should be done about it.
An amendment to do a study to write a report to discuss the options and develop a plan of action, to be presented and voted upon, ad nauseum.
QuoteThe Tracy amendment passed over Campfield's objections.
But then Sen. Brian Kelsey, R-Germantown, proposed to change the Tracy amendment. The revision declares that, after its study to be completed by Feb. 1 of next year, the Board of Education "shall adopt" - as part of the family life curriculum - a ban on discussion of homosexuality in the same language used in Campfield's bill.
So they have until February 1st to 'look into' the issue. Then kaput! The way this is worded, it doesn't look like it matters one way or the other what the results of the study
are.
QuoteThat amendment was adopted, too, and the revised bill was then approved 6-3 and sent to the Senate floor. All no votes came from Democrats.
Of course.
And then all was quiet in Tennessee for about an hour.
BUT THEN!
QuoteCampfield has been criticized on some blogs this week for seeking a $1,000 "retainer" fee to debate the "don't say gay" bill with Del Shores, a Texas-based movie producer and director who has made films on homosexuality.
LULZ ensued.
I can't say I'm fond of calling gayness an "alternative".
It is what it is.
Does this mean that teachers can't make references to Tim Gunn, Glee, Harvey Milk, Oscar Wilde, or Andrew Shepard, et al?
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on April 29, 2011, 01:38:34 PM
Does this mean that teachers can't make references to Tim Gunn, Glee, Harvey Milk, Oscar Wilde, or Andrew Shepard, et al?
My guess is references but no in-depth discussions. And there goes half of "current events" class. :P Maybe they'll just stick to veiled innuendos.
Can't teach about homosexuality IN SEX ED.
As I read it, teaching about it as current events, such as, say, Prop 8, would be okay, since it doesn't involve teaching the kids how the naughty bits interact.
But, I could be wrong.
Quote from: Luna on April 29, 2011, 03:02:16 PM
Can't teach about homosexuality IN SEX ED.
As I read it, teaching about it as current events, such as, say, Prop 8, would be okay, since it doesn't involve teaching the kids how the naughty bits interact.
But, I could be wrong.
Hmmm. I guess it comes down to how they choose to define "family life curriculum". You're probably closer to the mark than I am, Luna.