This quiz isnt perfect, but it is an improvement
http://c4ss.org/quiz
76% Economic leftist
63% Anarchist
96% Anti-Militarist
98% Socio-Cultural Liberal
67% Civil Libertarian
I like the depth of questions and the detailed summary.
64% Economic Leftist (Economic Leftist / Economic Rightist)
22% Anarchist (Anarchist / Statist)
82% Anti-Militarist (Anti-Militarist / Militarist)
72% Socio-Cultural Liberal (Socio-Cultural Liberal / Socio-Cultural Conservative)
67% Civil Libertarian (Civil Libertarian / Civil Authoritarian)
A very good quiz. Some questions seemed like they were there to determine a Sane/Insane axis, but they made me think of issues I hadn't considered before.
63% Economic Leftist
0% Statist - 0% Anarchist
79% Anti-Militarist
83% Socio-Cultural Liberal
57% Civil Libertarian
64% Economic Leftist (Economic Leftist / Economic Rightist)
16% Anarchist (Anarchist / Statist)
79% Anti-Militarist (Anti-Militarist / Militarist)
87% Socio-Cultural Liberal (Socio-Cultural Liberal / Socio-Cultural Conservative)
67% Civil Libertarian (Civil Libertarian / Civil Authoritarian)
Sorry stupid question, but I don't understand the wording of this question
QuotePeople who work at a large corporation or non-profit should be entitled to take it over if it is primarily supported by tax dollars or if it is wealthy because of markets skewed in its favor by government-granted privilege.
15% Economic Leftist
25% Anarchist
86% Anti-Militarist
63% Socio-Cultural Liberal
60% Civil Libertarian
hmm. my usual placement on a Nolan Chart conflicts a bit, but then that's a much less in-depth quiz, by design.
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on May 17, 2011, 05:16:20 PM
Sorry stupid question, but I don't understand the wording of this question
QuotePeople who work at a large corporation or non-profit should be entitled to take it over if it is primarily supported by tax dollars or if it is wealthy because of markets skewed in its favor by government-granted privilege.
The question is saying if a corporation or non-profit is primarily run due to either tax dollars given to it or because of regulation skewing the market in its favour, should those people who work there be entitled to own it and run it collectively?
53% Economic Leftist
6% Statist
61% Anti-Militarist
85% Socio-Cultural Liberal
63% Civil Libertarian
Though I will say some the I occasionally wording I found confusing... don't know how much that skewed it.
EDIT: Judging from the questions I found confusing I may skew more towards the center of the Militarist. So I might be the biggest thing to a war monger among you all.
49% Economic Leftist
16% Statist
71% Anti-Militarist
74% Socio-Cultural Liberal
60% Civil Libertarian
So far, I'm the biggest statist ITT, LOL. I don't believe that I am as economically left as the quiz makes me out to be, but I believe large corporations and ultrarich individuals routinely use their wealth to corrupt the government in their favor, and there seemed to be a lot of questions about that.
I also found a few of the questions to be confusingly worded, but this quiz is way better than Political Compass which insists that I am a Libertarian :roll:
Questions are very leading. Biased as fuck.
There needs to be an "I don't care" option for some of these.
EDIT: Okay, yeah, it's getting worse the farther I go. Take "There is no particular moral reason for me to help people who cannot help themselves." I'm putting agree, because I agree with the statement as it's written--I don't believe in objective morals, so of course I have no moral obligation to help other people. However, I love people and generally do whatever I can to help people so long as I'm not fucking myself in the process. I'm a shirt-off-my-back kind of guy, just not because I feel morally obligated along those lines. But I have a feeling this test's going to read my response as "oh hey you're a greedy, selfish fuck" because my value system is based on love of my fellow man rather than feelings of blind moral obligation to other people.
53% Economic Leftist
66% Anarchist
79% Anti-Militarist
91% Socio-Cultural Liberal
97% Civil Libertarian
Overall this still strikes me as pretty crappy and I think some of the questions are asking more than what's written down.
44% Economic Leftist
0% Anarchist/Statist
61% Anti-Militarist
78% Socio-Cultural Liberal
47% Civil Libertarian
60% Economic Leftist
19% Anarchist
86% Anti-Militarist
98% Socio-Cultural Liberal
73% Civil Libertarian
Quote from: Laughin Jude on May 17, 2011, 07:22:50 PM
There needs to be an "I don't care" option for some of these.
EDIT: Okay, yeah, it's getting worse the farther I go. Take "There is no particular moral reason for me to help people who cannot help themselves." I'm putting agree, because I agree with the statement as it's written--I don't believe in objective morals, so of course I have no moral obligation to help other people. However, I love people and generally do whatever I can to help people so long as I'm not fucking myself in the process. I'm a shirt-off-my-back kind of guy, just not because I feel morally obligated along those lines. But I have a feeling this test's going to read my response as "oh hey you're a greedy, selfish fuck" because my value system is based on love of my fellow man rather than feelings of blind moral obligation to other people.
I didn't read that as being exclusive to objective morals, so I applied my subjective morals to the question.
Quote from: Nigel on May 17, 2011, 07:37:12 PM
Quote from: Laughin Jude on May 17, 2011, 07:22:50 PM
There needs to be an "I don't care" option for some of these.
EDIT: Okay, yeah, it's getting worse the farther I go. Take "There is no particular moral reason for me to help people who cannot help themselves." I'm putting agree, because I agree with the statement as it's written--I don't believe in objective morals, so of course I have no moral obligation to help other people. However, I love people and generally do whatever I can to help people so long as I'm not fucking myself in the process. I'm a shirt-off-my-back kind of guy, just not because I feel morally obligated along those lines. But I have a feeling this test's going to read my response as "oh hey you're a greedy, selfish fuck" because my value system is based on love of my fellow man rather than feelings of blind moral obligation to other people.
I didn't read that as being exclusive to objective morals, so I applied my subjective morals to the question.
I did as well
Quote from: Laughin Jude on May 17, 2011, 07:22:50 PM
There needs to be an "I don't care" option for some of these.
EDIT: Okay, yeah, it's getting worse the farther I go. Take "There is no particular moral reason for me to help people who cannot help themselves." I'm putting agree, because I agree with the statement as it's written--I don't believe in objective morals, so of course I have no moral obligation to help other people. However, I love people and generally do whatever I can to help people so long as I'm not fucking myself in the process. I'm a shirt-off-my-back kind of guy, just not because I feel morally obligated along those lines. But I have a feeling this test's going to read my response as "oh hey you're a greedy, selfish fuck" because my value system is based on love of my fellow man rather than feelings of blind moral obligation to other people.
53% Economic Leftist
66% Anarchist
79% Anti-Militarist
91% Socio-Cultural Liberal
97% Civil Libertarian
Overall this still strikes me as pretty crappy and I think some of the questions are asking more than what's written down.
I agree. "I don't care" or "I am not sure" would be awesome.
60% Economic Leftist
16% Anarchist
89% Anti-Militarist
89% Socio-Cultural Liberal
57% Civil Libertarian
I want to make my own political quiz, and each and every question will have the option "I reject this question" in addition to "Don't care."
"Those in a typical modern society who are the wealthiest are also likely to be the most creative, gifted, dynamic, and achievement-oriented."
Is/Ought.
My dad helped me on the few questions I was having trouble deciphering so this more accurate for those keeping track
53% Economic Leftist (same)
12% Statist (went up by 6 percent)
34% Anti-Militarist (went to where I suspected)
84% Socio-Cultural Liberal (went down 1 percent)
61% Civil Libertarian (went down by 2 percent)
Therefore I suspect each question effects several categories.
46% Economic Leftist (Economic Leftist / Economic Rightist)
38% Anarchist (Anarchist / Statist)
54% Anti-Militarist (Anti-Militarist / Militarist)
72% Socio-Cultural Liberal (Socio-Cultural Liberal / Socio-Cultural Conservative)
50% Civil Libertarian (Civil Libertarian / Civil Authoritarian)
I couldn't get past the third question:
A member of a particular cultural or religious group should accept most or all aspects of the group's identity as a package: at least in general, she or he should neither ignore them or seek to change them.
the confusion of "neither/or" isn't just a grammatical clusterfuck, the entire meaning changes depending if they meant either/or or neither/nor.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on May 17, 2011, 08:45:21 PM
I couldn't get past the third question:
A member of a particular cultural or religious group should accept most or all aspects of the group's identity as a package: at least in general, she or he should neither ignore them or seek to change them.
the confusion of "neither/or" isn't just a grammatical clusterfuck, the entire meaning changes depending if they meant either/or or neither/nor.
I took it to mean "neither/nor" from the context.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on May 17, 2011, 08:45:21 PM
I couldn't get past the third question:
A member of a particular cultural or religious group should accept most or all aspects of the group's identity as a package: at least in general, she or he should neither ignore them or seek to change them.
the confusion of "neither/or" isn't just a grammatical clusterfuck, the entire meaning changes depending if they meant either/or or neither/nor.
neither/nor makes more sense with the first part of the question
See why I had so much trouble with this. My grammar is not good to begin with.
100% KILL ME.
Quote from: Slyph on May 17, 2011, 07:59:34 PM
"Those in a typical modern society who are the wealthiest are also likely to be the most creative, gifted, dynamic, and achievement-oriented."
Is/Ought.
I want to expand on this, sorry for the masturbatory self quote...
I don't like this question because, "Those in a typical modern society who are wealthiest" are able to pursue "creative, dynamic" projects, and to learn, precisely because they're fucking wealthy.
If I said "agree" it sounds like I'm endorsing Capitalism as meritocratic. If I put "Disagree" it's like I'm saying that the class you're born into doesn't affect you.
Quote from: Slyph on May 17, 2011, 10:05:17 PM
Quote from: Slyph on May 17, 2011, 07:59:34 PM
"Those in a typical modern society who are the wealthiest are also likely to be the most creative, gifted, dynamic, and achievement-oriented."
Is/Ought.
I want to expand on this, sorry for the masturbatory self quote...
I don't like this question because, "Those in a typical modern society who are wealthiest" are able to pursue "creative, dynamic" projects, and to learn, precisely because they're fucking wealthy.
If I said "agree" it sounds like I'm endorsing Capitalism as meritocratic. If I put "Disagree" it's like I'm saying that the class you're born into doesn't affect you.
Actually, I don't read the "disagree" that way. The class you are born into DOESN'T affect you in the specific ways listed here, unless you read "gifted" in a way to include financial support, education, and other things that are affected by class, but I read it as applying only to in-born characteristics.
I pretty much read that one as "Are you an Objectivst? Y/N" because it reminded me of Ayn Rand slobbing the riches' knobs about them being successful because they're the best and brightest at everything. That, and it doesn't take into consideration a side-effect of what I call the George W. Bush Effect:
QuoteHumans are subject to a particular bitch of an IMP (inherited meta-program): the mistaken gut-level belief that people who seem like they know what they're doing actually do. This is such a bitch of an IMP in modern American society because a certain segment of the population has evolved the ability to look like they might know what they're doing despite actually being fuck-ups. What's more, in a cruel twist of genetic fate, many of those who look like they know what they're doing have atrophied the mental capacities necessary to know what they're doing via a combination of 1) not needing to know what they're doing because people will follow them anyway and 2) a great deal of multigenerational genetic and social inbreeding among the country's most influential families. Let's call this the George W. Bush Effect.
Which is to say, people who are born into money and power that's existed for multiple generations seem to often be the least creative, gifted, dynamic and achievement-orientated people around. And let's face it, meaningful class-to-class economic mobility is pretty damn rare in twenty-first century America.
Quote from: Slyph on May 17, 2011, 10:05:17 PM
Quote from: Slyph on May 17, 2011, 07:59:34 PM
"Those in a typical modern society who are the wealthiest are also likely to be the most creative, gifted, dynamic, and achievement-oriented."
Is/Ought.
I want to expand on this, sorry for the masturbatory self quote...
I don't like this question because, "Those in a typical modern society who are wealthiest" are able to pursue "creative, dynamic" projects, and to learn, precisely because they're fucking wealthy.
If I said "agree" it sounds like I'm endorsing Capitalism as meritocratic. If I put "Disagree" it's like I'm saying that the class you're born into doesn't affect you.
I refute this entire notion, simply by pointing at Oro Valley and the Eastern Foothills of Tucson.
Richer than fuck, and useless as tits on a boar. Now, I go downtown, and there's kickass sculpture everywhere, typically made by brokeass motherfuckers trying to keep a bicycle shop open.
8% Economic Leftist (really? I'm as surprised as anyone by that.)
6% Anarchist (I think they're using a vastly different definition of the term than I am.)
29% Anti-Militarist (OK, this test is obviously seriously retarded. I'm totally OK with using force to get what you want.)
72% Socio-Cultural Liberal (More like Socio-Cultural Don't Give A Fuck.)
60% Civil Libertarian (In the one category I'd have expected my score to be near 100%.)
:lulz:
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on May 17, 2011, 11:27:54 PM
8% Economic Leftist (really? I'm as surprised as anyone by that.)
6% Anarchist (I think they're using a vastly different definition of the term than I am.)
29% Anti-Militarist (OK, this test is obviously seriously retarded. I'm totally OK with using force to get what you want.)
72% Socio-Cultural Liberal (More like Socio-Cultural Don't Give A Fuck.)
60% Civil Libertarian (In the one category I'd have expected my score to be near 100%.)
:lulz:
I think it goes straight from 1% statist to 1% anarchist, so 6% (of either) means you fall in the 'not crazy' region.
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on May 17, 2011, 11:27:54 PM
8% Economic Leftist (really? I'm as surprised as anyone by that.)
6% Anarchist (I think they're using a vastly different definition of the term than I am.)
29% Anti-Militarist (OK, this test is obviously seriously retarded. I'm totally OK with using force to get what you want.)
72% Socio-Cultural Liberal (More like Socio-Cultural Don't Give A Fuck.)
60% Civil Libertarian (In the one category I'd have expected my score to be near 100%.)
:lulz:
you're less of an economic leftist than I am?
:lulz:
as to the anti-militarist part, I'm for conquest in our best economic interests and for repelling an attack from another hostile nation, but not for the spreading of any idea or method of rule.
not sure why I came in so anti-military on that one.
oh, and the fact that anti-military was "colored" blue and implied to be on the left gave me a chuckle.
QuoteTrue monopolies cannot exist in a free-market economy and ours is a free market economy, so no true monopolies exist in our economy.
Wow. Thats some amazing logic right there. :lulz:
50% Economic Leftist
22% Anarchist
54% Anti-Militarist
70% Socio-Cultural Liberal
67% Civil Libertarian
I was disappointed. I expected a diamond shaped chart.
61% Economic Leftist (Economic Leftist / Economic Rightist)
28% Anarchist (Anarchist / Statist)
79% Anti-Militarist (Anti-Militarist / Militarist)
87% Socio-Cultural Liberal (Socio-Cultural Liberal / Socio-Cultural Conservative)
73% Civil Libertarian (Civil Libertarian / Civil Authoritarian)
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on May 17, 2011, 11:49:26 PM
QuoteTrue monopolies cannot exist in a free-market economy and ours is a free market economy, so no true monopolies exist in our economy.
Wow. Thats some amazing logic right there. :lulz:
50% Economic Leftist
22% Anarchist
70% Socio-Cultural Liberal
67% Civil Libertarian
I was disappointed. I expected a diamond shaped chart.
That particular question pissed me off more than any other. No free-market economy exists at a state level in any developed country that I've read about. Only black markets even come close to resembling a free market, and the prices still reflect regulation at the state level controlling the CODB in the product.
Stupid question with no correct answer.
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on May 17, 2011, 11:27:54 PM
8% Economic Leftist (really? I'm as surprised as anyone by that.)
6% Anarchist (I think they're using a vastly different definition of the term than I am.)
29% Anti-Militarist (OK, this test is obviously seriously retarded. I'm totally OK with using force to get what you want.)
72% Socio-Cultural Liberal (More like Socio-Cultural Don't Give A Fuck.)
60% Civil Libertarian (In the one category I'd have expected my score to be near 100%.)
:lulz:
You beat my militarist score by 5%
:cry:
Enjoy your time being the war monger among us... that is until someone convinces Fred to take the survey.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on May 17, 2011, 11:43:08 PM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on May 17, 2011, 11:27:54 PM
8% Economic Leftist (really? I'm as surprised as anyone by that.)
6% Anarchist (I think they're using a vastly different definition of the term than I am.)
29% Anti-Militarist (OK, this test is obviously seriously retarded. I'm totally OK with using force to get what you want.)
72% Socio-Cultural Liberal (More like Socio-Cultural Don't Give A Fuck.)
60% Civil Libertarian (In the one category I'd have expected my score to be near 100%.)
:lulz:
you're less of an economic leftist than I am?
:lulz:
as to the anti-militarist part, I'm for conquest in our best economic interests and for repelling an attack from another hostile nation, but not for the spreading of any idea or method of rule.
not sure why I came in so anti-military on that one.
oh, and the fact that anti-military was "colored" blue and implied to be on the left gave me a chuckle.
I didn't think I was an economic leftist at all. Not even a little. And it sounds like you and I answered the militaristic questions along the same lines. I'm wondering exactly how dogmatic you'd have to be to even get 1% on the right side of the scale for any of these categories.
36% Economic Leftist (Economic Leftist / Economic Rightist)
16% Anarchist (Anarchist / Statist)
61% Anti-Militarist (Anti-Militarist / Militarist)
74% Socio-Cultural Liberal (Socio-Cultural Liberal / Socio-Cultural Conservative)
50% Civil Libertarian (Civil Libertarian / Civil Authoritarian)
WUT?????
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on May 18, 2011, 01:17:55 AM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on May 17, 2011, 11:43:08 PM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on May 17, 2011, 11:27:54 PM
8% Economic Leftist (really? I'm as surprised as anyone by that.)
6% Anarchist (I think they're using a vastly different definition of the term than I am.)
29% Anti-Militarist (OK, this test is obviously seriously retarded. I'm totally OK with using force to get what you want.)
72% Socio-Cultural Liberal (More like Socio-Cultural Don't Give A Fuck.)
60% Civil Libertarian (In the one category I'd have expected my score to be near 100%.)
:lulz:
you're less of an economic leftist than I am?
:lulz:
as to the anti-militarist part, I'm for conquest in our best economic interests and for repelling an attack from another hostile nation, but not for the spreading of any idea or method of rule.
not sure why I came in so anti-military on that one.
oh, and the fact that anti-military was "colored" blue and implied to be on the left gave me a chuckle.
I didn't think I was an economic leftist at all. Not even a little. And it sounds like you and I answered the militaristic questions along the same lines. I'm wondering exactly how dogmatic you'd have to be to even get 1% on the right side of the scale for any of these categories.
I think it may be case like those Libertarian Diamond Charts. Youd take the test and unless you were a hardcore facist you would turn up as a libertarian of some sort. Then you could click on links to libertarian sites and books ect.
Its the Center for a Stateless Society running the test. Youre supposed to discover how much of a economic leftist, anti-military anarchist you are and then subscribe to their newsletter.
63% Leftist
63% Anarchist
64% Anti-Militarist
61% Cultural Liberal
87% Civil Libertarian
54% Economic Leftist
38% Anarchist
57% Anti-Militarist
63% Socio-Cultural Liberal
67% Civil Libertarian
Some of those questions made me really want any other answer than was available...
Yeah, me too Wyldcat, I was like, should I help propagate tyranny or take a stand against something I've already admitted is broken? Whatever decision that takes the least amount of moral strength! Hahahaha I know the government always has my best interests at heart!
It should be noted on the leftist/rightist thing that C4SS.org take a somewhat different view to the mainstream use of those terms, though it has some historical accuracy. Basically, they don't presume free markets and the acquisition of capital/property as a left/right signifiers, instead they look at belief in cooperation or conflict and top down hierarchy versus bottom up organizing.
And yeah, I didnt say this test was perfect, only that it was better than Political Compass which, while popular and somewhat useful, has so many fucking bad questions its not funny.
29% Economic Leftist (Economic Leftist / Economic Rightist)
16% Statist (Anarchist / Statist)
32% Anti-Militarist (Anti-Militarist / Militarist)
74% Socio-Cultural Liberal (Socio-Cultural Liberal / Socio-Cultural Conservative)
17% Civil Libertarian (Civil Libertarian / Civil Authoritarian)
Hmm, the problem I had with some of those was that some of the questions were slightly US centric
51% Economic Leftist
22% Anarchist
82% Anti Militarist (with a boyfriend in the military lololol)
96% Socio-Cultural liberal
73% Civil libertarian (i dont even know what that means)
NOTE: THE RESULTS OF THIS QUIZ DO NOT REFLECT THE VIEWS OF THE NOODLE DICTATORSHIP PARTY
I think Civil libertarian means someone could be banging a gay prostitute while snorting cocaine and shoving heroine up their ass and you wont give a shit.
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on May 18, 2011, 10:40:05 PM
I think Civil libertarian means someone could be banging a gay prostitute while snorting cocaine and shoving heroine up their ass and you wont give a shit.
Sign me up.
TGRR,
Doesn't care what the monkeys do.
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on May 18, 2011, 10:40:05 PM
I think Civil libertarian means someone could be banging a gay prostitute while snorting cocaine and shoving heroine up their ass and you wont give a shit.
:lulz: awesome
86% Economic Leftist
78% Anarchist
79% Anti-Militarist
96% Socio-Cultural Liberal
80% don't give a shit if anybody's banging a gay prostitute while snorting cocaine and shoving heroin up their ass Civil Libertarian
Economic left / right
38% Left
Anarchist / Statist
19% Anarchist
Anti-Militarist / Militarist
25% anti-military
Socio-Cultural Liberal / Socio-Cultural Conservative
70% liberal