http://screenrant.com/neil-gaiman-american-gods-hbo-6-seasons-mcrid-119432/
Reserving judgement. Personally, I think it deserves it's own movie, but can see how it wouldn't test well with people unfamiliar with the story or Gaimen in general.
Because it's HBO, they almost get a default pass for so many other successes over the last few years.
Gaiman himself seems pretty pleased with it, so here's hoping.
I'll hope for the best...
Quote from: Hover Cat on June 21, 2011, 02:54:15 AM
Gaiman himself seems pretty pleased with it, so here's hoping.
And considering his general take on Hollywood for the last few decades, his own confidence in the project should carry a lot of weight.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on June 21, 2011, 02:45:08 AM
Reserving judgement. Personally, I think it deserves it's own movie, but can see how it wouldn't test well with people unfamiliar with the story or Gaimen in general.
The other problem with it being a movie, is it more likely would need to be a trilogy, because it is a pretty dense book.
Quote from: Rumckle on June 21, 2011, 03:04:32 AM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on June 21, 2011, 02:45:08 AM
Reserving judgement. Personally, I think it deserves it's own movie, but can see how it wouldn't test well with people unfamiliar with the story or Gaimen in general.
The other problem with it being a movie, is it more likely would need to be a trilogy, because it is a pretty dense book.
I think that it could be (mostly faithfully) done in 3 to 3 1/2 hours.
of course, getting people to actually SIT through that long of a movie is pretty damn hard, despite the trends of certain recent films.
This is all going to end in tears.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on June 21, 2011, 02:45:08 AM
http://screenrant.com/neil-gaiman-american-gods-hbo-6-seasons-mcrid-119432/
Reserving judgement. Personally, I think it deserves it's own movie, but can see how it wouldn't test well with people unfamiliar with the story or Gaimen in general.
Because it's HBO, they almost get a default pass for so many other successes over the last few years.
They not only pulled off "Fatherland", they even forced Rutger Hauer to act.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on June 21, 2011, 03:08:05 AM
Quote from: Rumckle on June 21, 2011, 03:04:32 AM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on June 21, 2011, 02:45:08 AM
Reserving judgement. Personally, I think it deserves it's own movie, but can see how it wouldn't test well with people unfamiliar with the story or Gaimen in general.
The other problem with it being a movie, is it more likely would need to be a trilogy, because it is a pretty dense book.
I think that it could be (mostly faithfully) done in 3 to 3 1/2 hours.
of course, getting people to actually SIT through that long of a movie is pretty damn hard, despite the trends of certain recent films.
Done as a TV series, though, might fly easier.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 21, 2011, 03:31:41 AM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on June 21, 2011, 02:45:08 AM
http://screenrant.com/neil-gaiman-american-gods-hbo-6-seasons-mcrid-119432/
Reserving judgement. Personally, I think it deserves it's own movie, but can see how it wouldn't test well with people unfamiliar with the story or Gaimen in general.
Because it's HBO, they almost get a default pass for so many other successes over the last few years.
They not only pulled off "Fatherland", they even forced Rutger Hauer to act.
:crankey:
hey now, you leave Rutger Hauer alone.
::Pickle was brought up by his mother to believe that Lady Hawke was the pinnacle of movie making. She's been wrong many times but she was a romantic in all of the classical sense and she's dead, so anyone refuting this is refuting the dead mother of this Pickle and will face all the wrath I can bring in the form of electrons shaped into text on an internet forum.
That is, admittedly, a pretty weak bit of potential wrath but THERE WILL STILL BE WRATH!
Quote from: Disco Pickle on June 21, 2011, 03:48:12 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 21, 2011, 03:31:41 AM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on June 21, 2011, 02:45:08 AM
http://screenrant.com/neil-gaiman-american-gods-hbo-6-seasons-mcrid-119432/
Reserving judgement. Personally, I think it deserves it's own movie, but can see how it wouldn't test well with people unfamiliar with the story or Gaimen in general.
Because it's HBO, they almost get a default pass for so many other successes over the last few years.
They not only pulled off "Fatherland", they even forced Rutger Hauer to act.
:crankey:
hey now, you leave Rutger Hauer alone.
::Pickle was brought up by his mother to believe that Lady Hawke was the pinnacle of movie making. She's been wrong many times but she was a romantic in all of the classical sense and she's dead, so anyone refuting this is refuting the dead mother of this Pickle and will face all the wrath I can bring in the form of electrons shaped into text on an internet forum.
That is, admittedly, a pretty weak bit of potential wrath but THERE WILL STILL BE WRATH!
Seriously, obtain and watch Fatherland. For real.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 21, 2011, 03:31:41 AM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on June 21, 2011, 02:45:08 AM
http://screenrant.com/neil-gaiman-american-gods-hbo-6-seasons-mcrid-119432/
Reserving judgement. Personally, I think it deserves it's own movie, but can see how it wouldn't test well with people unfamiliar with the story or Gaimen in general.
Because it's HBO, they almost get a default pass for so many other successes over the last few years.
They not only pulled off "Fatherland", they even forced Rutger Hauer to act.
I never knew they made that into a film....enjoyed the book though.
As for American Gods, I'm not sure. Like Pickle said, I'm not sure how it will go down with people unfamiliar with Gaiman's work. Then again,
Neverwhere was fairly well receieved in the UK at the time it came out, so maybe that will count in his favour.
American Gods was so much better than the sum of its' parts. Gaiman made Pratchett shut the fuck up and reign in the exposition, Pratchett provided character voices. Gaiman's biggest weakness is that, despite the strength of his narratives, his characters seem more like avatars of his own borgie arse rather than actual people talking to each other.
Man, try reading his attempt at Hellblazer... ugh...
Quote from: Slyph on June 21, 2011, 10:15:28 AM
American Gods was so much better than the sum of its' parts. Gaiman made Pratchett shut the fuck up and reign in the exposition, Pratchett provided character voices. Gaiman's biggest weakness is that, despite the strength of his narratives, his characters seem more like avatars of his own borgie arse rather than actual people talking to each other.
Man, try reading his attempt at Hellblazer... ugh...
I think you've confused American Gods with Good Omens (which was indeed a brilliant combination of both their strengths and neither of their weaknesses).
if it works this project would be EPIC, i tell thee.
You're right, what made me say American Gods?
That was the one with "Shadow" and "Low-Key" wasn't it? ughhhghgh... *vom*
I only read it through because I really like House on the Rock. I've been, it's super.
His Hellblazer is awful, as are a lot of his comic works but the sandman was excellent. I didn't think much of American gods so I'm not too emotionally invested in the series.
Sandman had something, accidental genius perhaps.
Did you ever read Lucifer though? Carey picked up that ball and Forest Gumped that motherfucker.
Is there really a Gaiman backlash happening here? Weird. That man is a brilliant storyteller.
I would also suggest HBO should break American Gods into 7 episodes, one for each day of the week. Symbolic, no?
Quote from: Slyph on June 21, 2011, 10:58:51 AM
Sandman had something, accidental genius perhaps.
Did you ever read Lucifer though? Carey picked up that ball and Forest Gumped that motherfucker.
The first couple of volumes are really wishy washy but it picks up a lot after that. Its not my favorite series but its pretty good.
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Is there really a Gaiman backlash happening here? Weird. That man is a brilliant storyteller.
I would also suggest HBO should break American Gods into 7 episodes, one for each day of the week. Symbolic, no?
I think Gaiman has really good
ideas but often gets caught up in them turning them into sensationalist fantasy, where other writers like Moore are meticulous and purposeful.
The sandman remains one of my favorite series but apart from that Gaiman has consistently let me down.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on June 21, 2011, 04:14:53 PM
Is there really a Gaiman backlash happening here? Weird. That man is a brilliant storyteller.
I've been saying Gaiman can't write convincing dialogue for years. He probably knows I said it, due to a perculiar quirk of Google.
I was unaware he was trying to. He usually writes in the style and language of myth, fable, dream, magic, and poetry; and his dialogue reflects that.
HG: MMM, There's quite a few of us round here. It was okay in the summer, but I hate the cold
JC: Yeah?
HG: Yes. And drunk yuppies, Couple of them worked me over the other night
JC: I'm sorry
HG: Me too.
Until I clicked this thread, I assumed when I saw the "Game of Thrones" thread popping up here that it was some sort of role playing game. :lol:
Back to your regularly scheduled discussion...
Quote from: Faust on June 21, 2011, 04:20:47 PM
Quote from: Slyph on June 21, 2011, 10:58:51 AM
Sandman had something, accidental genius perhaps.
Did you ever read Lucifer though? Carey picked up that ball and Forest Gumped that motherfucker.
The first couple of volumes are really wishy washy but it picks up a lot after that. Its not my favorite series but its pretty good.
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Is there really a Gaiman backlash happening here? Weird. That man is a brilliant storyteller.
I would also suggest HBO should break American Gods into 7 episodes, one for each day of the week. Symbolic, no?
I think Gaiman has really good ideas but often gets caught up in them turning them into sensationalist fantasy, where other writers like Moore are meticulous and purposeful.
The sandman remains one of my favorite series but apart from that Gaiman has consistently let me down.
Both Stardust and Neverwhere blew my mind. (Stardust, possibly, because my first exposure was a reading that Gaiman did in New York City... I am a sucker for some accents...)
FWIW, I loved reading American Gods. The audiobook is pretty good as well, I have it on my mp3 player for listening when it's dark and I'm in a train or bus or something and can't read. Takes forever to get through it that way, but that's okay :)
I find I prefer listening to audiobooks that I already read at least once, anyway. Too easy to get distracted and miss a bit.
Interesting stuff. I dug his recent Dr Who episode.
I wonder if this will end up showing the "Eostre" scene. Gods, when I found out that Eostre was pretty much made up whole cloth it made me realize that he fell for that Meme too. I still consider that scene a run-in with Enyo the Devourer.
Quote from: Telarus on July 06, 2011, 04:08:38 AM
Interesting stuff. I dug his recent Dr Who episode.
I had geeksquee over that one. It was pathetic, I swear.
Quote from: Succulent Plant on June 21, 2011, 09:06:55 PM
Until I clicked this thread, I assumed when I saw the "Game of Thrones" thread popping up here that it was some sort of role playing game. :lol:
Back to your regularly scheduled discussion...
Yeah welcome to the club. I checked it out on HBO's site. The first episode ends with some guy killing a kid because he walked in on him cheating with some hooker (nice). then he's all like "what I wouldn't do for love" :rimshot:
Quote from: Triple Zero on June 25, 2011, 10:05:23 PM
FWIW, I loved reading American Gods. The audiobook is pretty good as well, I have it on my mp3 player for listening when it's dark and I'm in a train or bus or something and can't read. Takes forever to get through it that way, but that's okay :)
I find I prefer listening to audiobooks that I already read at least once, anyway. Too easy to get distracted and miss a bit.
Poke around on librivox.org, it's the audiobook version of Project Gutenberg. It can be a challenge to find readers you don't want to strangle for less popular works, but some of it's surprisingly good.
And for the sake of actually being on topic, I'll be interested to see how they handle all the little story fragments in
American Gods. That was a book I really enjoyed rereading just because I could appreciate how the odd bits and little details weave together later on.