from http://www.satanicinternationalnetwork.com/blogs/post/1554
*"We Discordians should stick apart!": On a scale of Wicca to drama-free, the votaries of Eris have us beat-hands down. Why could this be? The more closely-knit a community, the more that peer and mentor relationships tend to moderate and maintain homogeneity among its adherents. Both Satanism and its dotty great-aunt Discordianism benefit from the opposite tactic. It is this sound advice that gives rise to the tradition that all Discordian popes undertake as their first papal action the excommunication of all other Discordian popes and momes.
*Although it is very good and wise to hold serious reservations about the existence of Deity, it is equally good and wise to entertain the possibility, especially when faced with the problems of theodicy, that god is a crazy woman.
*Both religion and humor are attempts to negotiate the mind-rending alienation and misery of the human condition and are excellent antidotes to the most horrible of life's pains-boredom. Religion and comedy are both born in pain, one seeks to escape or ameliorate that pain through its own means, but comedy approaches what is painful with an intimate smirk.
*The care and keeping of mythology is our responsibility. In the good ole' days, stone idols were dressed and made up continuously, as the ancients understood that devotion literally fed their gods, who would wither and die without it. The story of the Great Snub need not compete with the Illiad.
*Anarchy and advanced bureaucracy are phases of one renewing cycle, and the natural forces of entropy are sufficient to topple any tyrant.
I don't get it.
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on June 21, 2011, 03:37:53 PM
I don't get it.
I think it's something like, "Once again, Satanists are taking things
much too seriously."
[6] If angels could see into Satanists hearts, they would cry.
I get these things on my google alerts and I feel compelled to share. I liked the framing of Discordia as Satanisms "dotty great aunt". And the reference to Wicca as the absolute top amount of drama you can have in one religion.
I see the OP as a sort of, "You got the lyrics right, but lost the music."
Even if the language of it is a little weird since it's obviously written for people who are not like me, I approve of the basic concept: That Satanism has something to learn from Discordia.
For one thing, they could learn to walk upright.
Satan's rebellion was caused by his unwillingness to bow before man, because he thought he - as an angel - was superior to man.
So, if you're a Satanist, you're basically lining up to kiss the ass of a demigod that despises you.
It's sort of like being a teabagger, with even smaller rallies.
I like the guy who says "I've always found Discordianism silly" and then goes on to say things that make it clear he has no idea what Discordianism is.
Quote from: Your Mom on June 21, 2011, 06:18:47 PM
I like the guy who says "I've always found Discordianism silly" and then goes on to say things that make it clear he has no idea what Discordianism is.
Jeff the Conspiracy Freak thinks we're "juvenile".
I fail to see a problem, for a given value of juvenile.
Quote from: Your Mom on June 21, 2011, 06:18:47 PM
I like the guy who says "I've always found Discordianism silly" and then goes on to say things that make it clear he has no idea what Discordianism is.
That guy was my favorite. "I don't get jokes and I can't tell them, and things that I suck at are terrible."
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 21, 2011, 06:05:21 PM
For one thing, they could learn to walk upright.
Satan's rebellion was caused by his unwillingness to bow before man, because he thought he - as an angel - was superior to man.
So, if you're a Satanist, you're basically lining up to kiss the ass of a demigod that despises you.
It's sort of like being a teabagger, with even smaller rallies.
:lulz:
From reading through some of LaVey's stuff on Satanism, interviews, and documentaries, I'm pretty certain he was describing about the same thing that Discodian / Subgenius tries to work towards, just in more sensationalist wrapping.
There's the same theme of rejecting common assumptions / tropes, personal betterment / profit / "Bob", and having an enjoyable life instead of pining for a promised reward after death.
His rants in "The Devil's Notebook" were awfully similar to some of the rants here. (Will post relevant quotes if I can find my copy after practice)
I agree that, by and large, most people purporting to be "Satanists" seem to be taking it too seriously.
Quote from: Cramulus on June 21, 2011, 03:17:52 PM
from http://www.satanicinternationalnetwork.com/blogs/post/1554
*The care and keeping of mythology is our responsibility. In the good ole' days, stone idols were dressed and made up continuously, as the ancients understood that devotion literally fed their gods, who would wither and die without it. The story of the Great Snub need not compete with the Illiad.
Is he saying that Satanists should look to Discordians for tips on keeping a mythology together? Maybe the first priest to dress up an idol in gaudy crap was taking fashion and financial advice from one.
"Oh, no nonono! The Big Owl wants a red SILK shawl today. I happen to have the very finest, but just barely enough and I just hate to part with it, but if you insist. For the Owl!"
I doubt it got all traditional until after said Discordian's caravan was long gone.
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on June 22, 2011, 01:26:53 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on June 21, 2011, 03:17:52 PM
from http://www.satanicinternationalnetwork.com/blogs/post/1554
*The care and keeping of mythology is our responsibility. In the good ole' days, stone idols were dressed and made up continuously, as the ancients understood that devotion literally fed their gods, who would wither and die without it. The story of the Great Snub need not compete with the Illiad.
Is he saying that Satanists should look to Discordians for tips on keeping a mythology together? Maybe the first priest to dress up an idol in gaudy crap was taking fashion and financial advice from one.
"Oh, no nonono! The Big Owl wants a red SILK shawl today. I happen to have the very finest, but just barely enough and I just hate to part with it, but if you insist. For the Owl!"
I doubt it got all traditional until after said Discordian's caravan was long gone.
I almost stopped hating you when you posted that.
Cut it out.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 22, 2011, 01:59:59 AM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on June 22, 2011, 01:26:53 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on June 21, 2011, 03:17:52 PM
from http://www.satanicinternationalnetwork.com/blogs/post/1554
*The care and keeping of mythology is our responsibility. In the good ole' days, stone idols were dressed and made up continuously, as the ancients understood that devotion literally fed their gods, who would wither and die without it. The story of the Great Snub need not compete with the Illiad.
Is he saying that Satanists should look to Discordians for tips on keeping a mythology together? Maybe the first priest to dress up an idol in gaudy crap was taking fashion and financial advice from one.
"Oh, no nonono! The Big Owl wants a red SILK shawl today. I happen to have the very finest, but just barely enough and I just hate to part with it, but if you insist. For the Owl!"
I doubt it got all traditional until after said Discordian's caravan was long gone.
I almost stopped hating you when you posted that.
Cut it out.
:spittake:
Hmm, interesting.
:Edit: Damnit, after reading those insipid comments I'm very tempted to register....
Cram, I'm interested in this Googlefeed you have... anything else pop up recently?
Quote from: Richter on June 21, 2011, 11:59:40 PM
From reading through some of LaVey's stuff on Satanism, interviews, and documentaries, I'm pretty certain he was describing about the same thing that Discodian / Subgenius tries to work towards, just in more sensationalist wrapping.
I'd like to think that was true, but from what I've read, it appears to be some kind of attempt to install parody humour into Objectivism. LaVey was very taken with Rand, as I recall. Of course, so was Thornely, but he grew out of it.
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on June 22, 2011, 02:46:43 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 22, 2011, 01:59:59 AM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on June 22, 2011, 01:26:53 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on June 21, 2011, 03:17:52 PM
from http://www.satanicinternationalnetwork.com/blogs/post/1554
*The care and keeping of mythology is our responsibility. In the good ole' days, stone idols were dressed and made up continuously, as the ancients understood that devotion literally fed their gods, who would wither and die without it. The story of the Great Snub need not compete with the Illiad.
Is he saying that Satanists should look to Discordians for tips on keeping a mythology together? Maybe the first priest to dress up an idol in gaudy crap was taking fashion and financial advice from one.
"Oh, no nonono! The Big Owl wants a red SILK shawl today. I happen to have the very finest, but just barely enough and I just hate to part with it, but if you insist. For the Owl!"
I doubt it got all traditional until after said Discordian's caravan was long gone.
I almost stopped hating you when you posted that.
Cut it out.
:spittake:
Sorry, it just happpened like that. I'll get back to being a noob any minute now.
Quote from: Telarus on June 22, 2011, 05:29:30 AM
Cram, I'm interested in this Googlefeed you have... anything else pop up recently?
I have google alerts set up for "Discordian Society" (90% of the posts are about the band)
"Principia Discordia" (mostly just links to the book)
"and Discordianism "(usually garbage)
but if you dig through it, there are some real gems
If you guys are posting about Discordia on another forum, I often see it. Like right now I see RWHN on a political debate site, with a link here in his sig.
Sometimes I find these little cabals of Discordians that I don't feel like I should link to here because we wouldn't get along anyway
Often, I find bloggers who write about Discord. Here's a guy who posts sermons now and then. http://ignatius-m.tumblr.com/
Apparently there's a "Discordian Trio" in Edinburgh http://www.edinburghjazzfestival.com/2011-programme/artists/haftor-medboe-group-the-discordian-trio.html
I usually see an update when Discordapedia ( http://discordia.wikia.com/wiki/Discordipedia ) gets updated
Here's a video of a Discordian lesbian marriage http://wn.com/Discordian_wedding,_wifey_wifey
Oh, I have content I wanted to throw up on discordapedia, thanks for the reminder.
"The Satanic Bible" can get a little Rand-ish at times, but it's still a far cry from Objectivism, and there's a deal of self-awareness and open mockery of organized religion. I wouldn't say it's required reading, but it's interesting, and while I do think LaVey was serious about his underlying message, I never got the impression he literally believed in Satan/etc. (actually if memory serves the guy was an atheist).
While I'm no Satanist and don't agree with everything LaVey wrote, I do suggest giving "The Satanic Witch" a read. It's presented as a guide for women on how to seduce men using psychology/pheremones/etc., but it's full of interesting ideas about how the mind works and how you can take advantage of that knowledge (which is where LaVey's concept of "magick" comes in--it's more applied psychology and a little natural chemistry than mystic crap, though there is some of that in other places that you can feel free to ignore). "TSW" was pretty damn helpful in writing my Betsy Rothschild character...
I love it when people try to explain what "so-and-so" actually means when they talk about "magick".
Because, obviously, so-and-so couldn't have figured out how to phrase it like that themselves.
Quote from: Cramulus on June 22, 2011, 02:35:19 PM
Here's a video of a Discordian lesbian marriage http://wn.com/Discordian_wedding,_wifey_wifey
LOL, WUT??? That was hilarious. Makes me think I should make a Google Alert for "Discordianism". I have one for "Eris" but it always ends up being shit about Android phones or someone misspelling "Erin". Searching Twitter for "fnord", "discordia", and "haileris" gives interesting results every once in awhile.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on June 21, 2011, 03:43:53 PM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on June 21, 2011, 03:37:53 PM
I don't get it.
I think it's something like, "Once again, Satanists are taking things much too seriously."
I disagree. Satanists don't take things seriously enough. They're atheists that believe in Magick (regardless of defintion. They accept the removed psychodrama aspect of the process). Gotta go one way or the other.
Or they're Pagans that believe that Lucifer is the rightful god of the universe.
Or they're evil Christians who practice Goetia.
Hey, is there a legit proper definition of Satanist in the 21st Century? I'm kinda struggling here, as I imagine every Satanist in existence is... Are they atheists, polytheists or monotheists?
Sticker Ninja.
Quote from: Laughin Jude on June 23, 2011, 04:13:21 AM
"The Satanic Bible" can get a little Rand-ish at times, but it's still a far cry from Objectivism, and there's a deal of self-awareness and open mockery of organized religion.
"I give people Ayn Rand with trappings" - Anton LaVey, founder of the Church of Satan (to Kim Klein of the Washington Post, 1970)
Quote from: Cain on June 23, 2011, 07:25:31 AM
Quote from: Laughin Jude on June 23, 2011, 04:13:21 AM
"The Satanic Bible" can get a little Rand-ish at times, but it's still a far cry from Objectivism, and there's a deal of self-awareness and open mockery of organized religion.
"I give people Ayn Rand with trappings" - Anton LaVey, founder of the Church of Satan (to Kim Klein of the Washington Post, 1970)
Are the trappings spicy enough? Or should I just go to another restaurant?
Quote from: Cain on June 23, 2011, 07:25:31 AM
Quote from: Laughin Jude on June 23, 2011, 04:13:21 AM
"The Satanic Bible" can get a little Rand-ish at times, but it's still a far cry from Objectivism, and there's a deal of self-awareness and open mockery of organized religion.
"I give people Ayn Rand with trappings" - Anton LaVey, founder of the Church of Satan (to Kim Klein of the Washington Post, 1970)
I think there's a good anti-libertarian meme in there somewhere
Quote from: Cramulus on June 23, 2011, 02:14:27 PM
Quote from: Cain on June 23, 2011, 07:25:31 AM
Quote from: Laughin Jude on June 23, 2011, 04:13:21 AM
"The Satanic Bible" can get a little Rand-ish at times, but it's still a far cry from Objectivism, and there's a deal of self-awareness and open mockery of organized religion.
"I give people Ayn Rand with trappings" - Anton LaVey, founder of the Church of Satan (to Kim Klein of the Washington Post, 1970)
I think there's a good anti-libertarian meme in there somewhere
The thought occurred to me too. I just can't quite come up with one.
It's great for trolling Tea Partiers with. I'm not the only one, some enterprising individuals have been using "Ayn Rand leads to Satanism therefore Glenn Beck is a Satanist" attack for a while now.
Quote from: Cain on June 23, 2011, 07:53:44 PM
It's great for trolling Tea Partiers with. I'm not the only one, some enterprising individuals have been using "Ayn Rand leads to Satanism therefore Glenn Beck is a Satanist" attack for a while now.
How do they generally respond to that?
With the ban button.
Quote from: Cain on June 23, 2011, 08:04:32 PM
With the ban button.
I'm sure it probably has happened, but has anyone gone in as a Satanic Tea Partier?
There's a Republican Vampire Teabagger, is that close enough?
Quote from: Cain on June 23, 2011, 08:11:11 PM
There's a Republican Vampire Teabagger, is that close enough?
Ok, I need a link now :lulz:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/03/15/national/main6300766.shtml
Quote from: Cain on June 23, 2011, 08:15:30 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/03/15/national/main6300766.shtml
Oh man, I forgot about that guy. Thanks Cain!
May I post the rest of my thoughts on this Bettedoom's blog entry? It may be long, and I'm not trying to be all coool. I just want to take a crack at it. :evil: Please?
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on July 01, 2011, 05:42:53 PM
May I post the rest of my thoughts on this Bettedoom's blog entry? It may be long, and I'm not trying to be all coool. I just want to take a crack at it. :evil: Please?
Do you have the proper paperwork and fees?
Quote from: nihilbilly on July 01, 2011, 06:14:37 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on July 01, 2011, 05:42:53 PM
May I post the rest of my thoughts on this Bettedoom's blog entry? It may be long, and I'm not trying to be all coool. I just want to take a crack at it. :evil: Please?
Do you have the proper paperwork and fees?
Damn!
This can be summed up by "At least when discordists dress up in silly ropes and act like idiots they know it's all just a joke."
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on July 01, 2011, 06:40:24 PM
This can be summed up by "At least when discordists dress up in silly ropes and act like idiots they know it's all just a joke."
Waitaminute, nobody told me about the silly ropes... Is this a bondage party, and nobody told me?
Only when lmno shows up