I really wish I were making this up.
Former CIA analyst Ray McGovern (http://therealnews.com/t2/component/content/article/57-ray-mcgovern/679-gaza-cradle-of-killing-americans-too):
QuoteI also have been cautioned by a source with access to very senior staffers at the National Security Council that not only does the White House plan to do absolutely nothing to protect our boat from Israeli attack or illegal boarding, but that White House officials "would be happy if something happened to us." They are, I am reliably told, "perfectly willing to have the cold corpses of activists shown on American TV."
Former UK Ambassador Craig Murray (http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2011/06/obama-wants-more-dead-rachel-corries-to-boost-aipac-standing/):
Quote...I set my own diplomatic sources to work in Washington, without giving them any indication of Ray's information. They came back with an independent report from a different source – close to Clinton rather than the White House – with exactly the same result of which Ray was warned. I was told that Obama will welcome an Israeli attack on the US ship, as giving him a chance to confirm his pro-Israeli credentials and improve his standing with AIPAC ahead of the Presidential election race. Fatalities would be "not a problem".
There was no information that the Obama regime has quietly given Netanyahu a green light to attack the ship. But I strongly expect they will; by deniable means, of course.
Salon writer Glenn Greenwald (http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/salon/greenwald/~3/K9nb-eEPCXs/israel):
QuoteBut over the weekend, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton also gave her views on the flotilla, and while her rhetoric was somewhat more restrained than that quoted above, she also seemed to endorse possible violence by this foreign nation against her own country's peacefully protesting citizens:
QuoteWell, we do not believe that the flotilla is a necessary or useful effort to try to assist the people of Gaza. Just this week, the Israeli Government approved a significant commitment to housing in Gaza. There will be construction materials entering Gaza and we think that it's not helpful for there to be flotillas that try to provoke actions by entering into Israeli waters and creating a situation in which the Israelis have the right to defend themselves.
Though Clinton's language was draped with the subtleties of diplomatese, there is little doubt that she, too, is justifying a potential attack by a foreign government on unarmed American protesters (ironically, Clinton's remarks came at the same Press Conference where she impugned the patriotism of others -- namely, critics of the Libya War -- by branding them as "on Gadaffi's side").
So, don't act surprised if it does happen.
:x
...this is just...sad. Beyond sad. I mean, I know the flotilla's a pain in their asses, but really? Really?
Now that this information is exposed, expect back peddling from every corner. For public consumption, of course.
Who the fuck needs conspiracy theories, when this kind of shit goes on all the time?
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on June 29, 2011, 05:04:27 PM
Who the fuck needs conspiracy theories, when this kind of shit goes on all the time?
wouldn't the ct guys tell you that this is precisely the kind of thing they are talking about?
Quote from: Charley Brown on June 29, 2011, 05:02:13 PM
Now that this information is exposed, expect back peddling from every corner. For public consumption, of course.
yeah, I thought of that too...
Quote from: Iptuous on June 29, 2011, 05:09:53 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on June 29, 2011, 05:04:27 PM
Who the fuck needs conspiracy theories, when this kind of shit goes on all the time?
wouldn't the ct guys tell you that this is precisely the kind of thing they are talking about?
Naw. It doesn't mention the federal reserve, reptillians, 911, JFK, Nibiru, or the Bilderbergers.
pfft!
they mentioned four reptilians in the quotes...
and the federal reserve is just a myth created to poison the well for the serious truth seekers.
Quote from: Iptuous on June 29, 2011, 05:16:21 PM
pfft!
they mentioned four reptilians in the quotes...
and the federal reserve is just a myth created to poison the well for the serious truth seekers.
Also, something about buying gold and/or silver, Bohemian Grove, skull & bones, and the freemasons.
My irish passport is looking better to me each time i hear shit like this. Too bad i have a stable job stable relationship and a band im pretty invested in. Plus you know irish economy...
Dude. At this point I'm wondering: is a Bachman/Palin ticket gonna be that bad?
Yes, it is. But still.
STILL.
Quote from: Jenne on June 29, 2011, 05:29:34 PM
Dude. At this point I'm wondering: is a Bachman/Palin ticket gonna be that bad?
Yes, it is. But still.
STILL.
Oh Jenne, you can't mean that.....
jesus the thought of those two cunts in the White House PMSing is enough to send me overseas for the duration, and if there is anything to come back to after the 4 years of hell the US would live thru then I would be surprised.
Why is everyone so upset? Isn't this "change"? I mean, in the old days, we had to have the Ohio National Guard shoot our hippies for us. Now we're having it done by professionals. I, for one, applaud our Dear Leader's commitment to excellence in the field of handling troublemakers.
@Khara: ...yeah, but ...the evil you KNOW or the evil you DON'T KNOW?
Quote from: Khara on Hiatus.... on June 29, 2011, 05:33:00 PM
Quote from: Jenne on June 29, 2011, 05:29:34 PM
Dude. At this point I'm wondering: is a Bachman/Palin ticket gonna be that bad?
Yes, it is. But still.
STILL.
Oh Jenne, you can't mean that.....
jesus the thought of those two cunts in the White House PMSing is enough to send me overseas for the duration, and if there is anything to come back to after the 4 years of hell the US would live thru then I would be surprised.
I personally hope if they do decide to do that that they wait until after I have recovered from my next surgery, or ima lose some stitches from laughing.
I'm only surprised that anyone is surprised.
And I'm with the administration and the Israelis on this one. Fuckin' sink 'em.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 29, 2011, 05:34:39 PM
Why is everyone so upset? Isn't this "change"? I mean, in the old days, we had to have the Ohio National Guard shoot our hippies for us. Now we're having it done by professionals. I, for one, applaud our Dear Leader's commitment to excellence in the field of handling troublemakers.
:lulz:
Dok, cutting right to the funny!
I guess shoot them first and ask questions/take repsonsibilit/pass blame later has worked so well for us all along.....
You're right Dok, it's best to just sit back and accept.
@ Jenne, I just hate that Palin idiot, I cannot bring myself to accept her as having a working brain. While I'll never say our politicians are moral, they do, at least for the most part, have brains.
Quote from: Khara on Hiatus.... on June 29, 2011, 05:39:54 PM
I guess shoot them first and ask questions/take repsonsibilit/pass blame later has worked so well for us all along.....
You're right Dok, it's best to just sit back and accept.
@ Jenne, I just hate that Palin idiot, I cannot bring myself to accept her as having a working brain. While I'll never say our politicians are moral, they do, at least for the most part, have brains.
:cn:
Quote from: Charley Brown on June 29, 2011, 05:37:34 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 29, 2011, 05:34:39 PM
Why is everyone so upset? Isn't this "change"? I mean, in the old days, we had to have the Ohio National Guard shoot our hippies for us. Now we're having it done by professionals. I, for one, applaud our Dear Leader's commitment to excellence in the field of handling troublemakers.
:lulz:
Dok, cutting right to the funny!
Looking back on our history, I fail to see how ANYONE can be surprised about shit like this. Remember learning about the Boston Massacre in school? The differences between the Boston Massacre and Kent:
1. In Boston, the crowd really WAS attacking the troops.
2. More people died at Kent.
3. The troops in Boston fired in a panicked fashion. At Kent, they lined up a hundred meters away and volley fired.
4. The British tried the soldiers that fired on the crowd. The Ohio National Guard went back to the armory and cleaned their weapons.
5. The Boston massacre provoked rage among colonists. The Kent State shootings resulted in parents writing their own children and saying they wished it was them (their own children) that got shot.
America has a 220 year unbroken streak of killing dissenters. The Whiskey Rebellion, the Pullman strikers, Haymarket, the Bonus Army (google that one for delicious Horrormirth), Kent, the 1968 democratic convention, etc.
Quote from: Khara on Hiatus.... on June 29, 2011, 05:39:54 PM
You're right Dok, it's best to just sit back and accept.
Not sure where I said that.
I'm actually more surprised this shit leaks out so quickly.
But I do allow myself a wee bit of disappointment, as well.
Quote from: Jenne on June 29, 2011, 05:50:24 PM
I'm actually more surprised this shit leaks out so quickly.
I imagine that's intentional. It gets the yahoos on board, and let's everyone else know precisely where they stand.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 29, 2011, 05:44:39 PM
Quote from: Khara on Hiatus.... on June 29, 2011, 05:39:54 PM
You're right Dok, it's best to just sit back and accept.
Not sure where I said that.
Sorry, I was responding to what I thought you said instead of what you actually said. My brain is still rattled.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 29, 2011, 05:51:33 PM
Quote from: Jenne on June 29, 2011, 05:50:24 PM
I'm actually more surprised this shit leaks out so quickly.
I imagine that's intentional. It gets the yahoos on board, and let's everyone else know precisely where they stand.
Precisely. From Greenwald's article:
(http://i.imgur.com/EAKF3.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/r4aFX.png)
:lulz: Nice. What a fucktard.
We could have some fun with him.
OK, disregarding my earlier snarky answer, someone wanna catch me up on what all this is about? I've been WAY out of the loop lately.
Joshua "Tacitus" Trevino always was a barrel of laughs. I remember HTML Mencken trolling him something terrible on Sadly, No! for, like, five months straight. Here (http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/5099.html) is an excellent example.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on June 29, 2011, 07:06:18 PM
OK, disregarding my earlier snarky answer, someone wanna catch me up on what all this is about? I've been WAY out of the loop lately.
1) Hippies protesting Israels treatment of Palestines
2)Hippies get on boat, go to Israeli waters
3)Pres says kill the fuckers
4)Network news reports on Lindsey Lohan
5) uh...
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on June 29, 2011, 07:06:18 PM
OK, disregarding my earlier snarky answer, someone wanna catch me up on what all this is about? I've been WAY out of the loop lately.
I kind of figured that was Chef talking. :lulz:
Basically, the administration allegedly WANTS the IDF to sink a boatload of American hippies, as an example to the others. The wingnuts are all about this.
Think of it as a nautical Kent State, by proxy.
This is hard. I know that's ostensibly wrong, but I'm usually in favor of whatever makes hippies dead.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on June 29, 2011, 07:06:18 PM
OK, disregarding my earlier snarky answer, someone wanna catch me up on what all this is about? I've been WAY out of the loop lately.
Bunch of American hippies are sending a second flotilla to Gaza.
Obama and Clinton and co. have been making not very covert signals that they wouldn't mind the Israelis doing a repeat of what they did to the Turkish flotilla.
Former CIA guy and British ambassador find evidence suggesting it would actually help increase Obama's standing if the Israelis did stage an attack and he either defended them or did nothing to condemn them and so may be actively courting such an arrangement.
Fun times all around.
Of course, the hippies have to be aware that Israel
will see it as provocation. Yeah, they shouldn't, yadda yadda, but they
will. Which makes this seem to be less about getting aid through to Gaza and more about provoking Israel into doing something stupid, as if they need anymore help with that kind of thing. That said, the hippies have sensibly placed several high-profile reporters on board, including one from the NYT, so that may make the Israelis less trigger happy. We'll see.