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Principia Discordia => Apple Talk => Topic started by: Telarus on July 21, 2011, 05:16:03 AM

Title: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Telarus on July 21, 2011, 05:16:03 AM
Hey spags.

Twid has tracked down an ENGLISH TRANSLATION of the Dialogo della Discordia text by Sperone Speroni.

Costs to acquire a copy would run a little over $50 USD and would take about a month to prep and ship.

I figure we can keep the original copy hosted on the Wiki, but then prepare another version for "public consumption" in the line of the Chao te Ching project or Richter's Greeks Myff'd. Something with fly-quotes and graphics, or something.

A SPECIAL EDITION INTERMITTENS -= from the 16th century=- ...if you will.

It has been voiced that Twid, nor Phox, nor I can spare $50+ up front.

So here's the deal. I'm seeding $10, and this is a Fucking RANSOM.




:fnord: Pony up the cash or this historic Discordian literature goes the way of American Idol (flash and forgotten), and you'll never get to read it.  :fnord:


(ok, more srsly, anybody up to pitch in on this?  :D )

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Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 21, 2011, 05:19:08 AM
Nice! I'll throw in about 10. I'm not sure how to deal with online money. It might be easier if someone who has a paypal or whatever to coordinate with me, and I'll put in my 10 with my card, or something.
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Telarus on July 21, 2011, 06:13:34 AM
Right, I can co-ordinate a paypal pool or something.
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Don Coyote on July 21, 2011, 07:22:41 AM


If someone sets up some means to collect I'll chip in $10.
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Phox on July 21, 2011, 07:38:38 AM
Quote from: COL Coyote on July 21, 2011, 07:22:41 AM


If someone sets up some means to collect I'll chip in $10.
Ditto this.
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Telarus on July 21, 2011, 07:40:06 AM
Twid, can you post some details on where we'd be ordering from?
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Juana on July 21, 2011, 07:40:33 AM
Quote from: COL Coyote on July 21, 2011, 07:22:41 AM


If someone sets up some means to collect I'll chip in $10.
Me, too.
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 21, 2011, 08:40:49 AM
Dear Kevin

Thank you for your e-mail which has been forwarded to our department.

I can confirm that you can order this item through our Imaging Services.

Further information, including details of the products available and
prices for this service, can be found on our website at:
http://www.bl.uk/imaging/index.html

Please note, the price for a standard or premium resolution image on
CD-ROM is per page/shot/image.   Paper copies or low resolution scans on
CD are priced per block of 1 - 100 pages, from any one item.

Please fill in an online order form for the item required. This can be
found on our website at: http://www.bl.uk/imaging/index.html



Regards

Sally Whitehead
Customer Services
The British Library
Boston Spa
Wetherby
West Yorkshire
LS23 7BQ
Tel: +44 (0) 1937 546060
Fax: +44 (0) 1937 546033
www.bl.uk




-----Original Message-----
From: [Twid's email]
Sent: 06 July 2011 16:56
To: metadata
Subject: Inquiry on a book from the Renaissance

Dear Sir or Madam,

I was wondering how possible it would be to email me a PDF copy of a
section from a book from the Renaissance- I Dialogi di Messer Speron
Sperone OCLC number 504167902. I'm particularly interested in the
section titled "Dialogo della Discordia" or, "On Discord." I'm finding
it particularly difficult to find an English translation of it, and
worldcat.org seems to indicate that you're the only library with an
English translation. Unfortunately, I live in Boston, MA as opposed to
Boston Spa, so a walk in is out of the question in the near future. I
would appreciate any help you could give me in this regard.

Best,
[Twid]
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Telarus on July 21, 2011, 09:15:04 AM
Thanks man. I should be able to send out PMs with paypal info tomorrow.. I think that'll work.


Hmm, looks like it's £26.50 (lowest res scans) + £3.45 shipping (reg. mail) = £29.95 -> $48.43

So with myself, Twid, Coyote, Phox, & Hover Cat that should be enough.

More 2morrow...
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 21, 2011, 09:35:35 AM
EDIT: Thatll teach me to ignore the '3 post before you sent' button.
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Phox on July 21, 2011, 09:40:50 AM
Quote from: Placid Dingo on July 21, 2011, 09:35:35 AM
EDIT: Thatll teach me to ignore the '3 post before you sent' button.
Aww... don't feel left out. You can pay my share.  :lol:
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 21, 2011, 09:42:46 AM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on July 21, 2011, 09:40:50 AM
Quote from: Placid Dingo on July 21, 2011, 09:35:35 AM
EDIT: Thatll teach me to ignore the '3 post before you sent' button.
Aww... don't feel left out. You can pay my share.  :lol:

The more the merrier.

Twid,
more ok with paying $8 than $10
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 21, 2011, 10:42:34 AM
Well yah. I stand as before.
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Pæs on July 21, 2011, 11:36:01 AM
I keep reading this thread as "Would you pony up for a few bucks" and come in expecting latex.
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Don Coyote on July 21, 2011, 02:59:56 PM
Quote from: Telarus on July 21, 2011, 09:15:04 AM
Thanks man. I should be able to send out PMs with paypal info tomorrow.. I think that'll work.


Hmm, looks like it's £26.50 (lowest res scans) + £3.45 shipping (reg. mail) = £29.95 -> $48.43

So with myself, Twid, Coyote, Phox, & Hover Cat that should be enough.

More 2morrow...

My brain is funked right now but, how much would it be to get a high res scan? Low res scans of manuscripts can suck balls, especially if it a hand written one.
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Cuddlefish on July 21, 2011, 05:54:22 PM
Hi.

Could someone explain to me what this is (sparing no detail)? I did I quick search and couldn't find any info on the particular peice mentioned in the OP.
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 21, 2011, 06:07:12 PM
It's a piece, using the goddess Discordia as a character, explaining why strife is necessary, written by an Italian bloke 400 years ago.
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Cuddlefish on July 21, 2011, 06:34:18 PM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on July 21, 2011, 06:07:12 PM
It's a piece, using the goddess Discordia as a character, explaining why strife is necessary, written by an Italian bloke 400 years ago.

It really sounds awesome. I was able to find refferences to some of his other works, but nothing about the one in question here. Why is that?
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Igor on July 21, 2011, 06:44:54 PM
Here is more information about it:

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/cramulus/index.php?title=Dialogue_of_Discordia

It is very cool that you guys found a translation.
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Cuddlefish on July 21, 2011, 06:54:22 PM
I honestly can't wait to read this. I wish I had some $$ to contriubute, but, alas, I do not. Kudos to those willing to drop the money for this.
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 21, 2011, 08:16:47 PM
This is totally awesome!
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Chairman Risus on July 22, 2011, 06:15:29 AM
Looks like an interesting read. Sorry that I can't contribute.


Also, you only blanked out your name on one of the emails.
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Phox on July 22, 2011, 08:14:48 AM
Quote from: Cuddleshift on July 21, 2011, 06:34:18 PM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on July 21, 2011, 06:07:12 PM
It's a piece, using the goddess Discordia as a character, explaining why strife is necessary, written by an Italian bloke 400 years ago.

It really sounds awesome. I was able to find refferences to some of his other works, but nothing about the one in question here. Why is that?
Because it's a lesser known work, and as far as I can tell only appears in print as part of a collection of his works.

Interestingly enough, I have a professional interest in this author, as he wrote a commentary on the Aeneid, and the Aeneid is going to figure in prominently to my next topic of research....
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Telarus on July 22, 2011, 08:54:18 AM
Ok guys and gals, still working on figuring out the paypal dealie. Today got eaten by having to pick up our son from school early, and the girl having 5 hrs of sleep over the past 2 days.

Twid, since I'm collecting the funds, do you mind if I pay and get it shipped here? I could definitely use your help formatting the order request.

Everyone who contributes will have direct access to the files when I get them uploaded, and then we can open access up to everyone interested. The Library does hold copywrite on the IMAGES OF THE PAGES, but not on the content. So I'm figuring that I'll be running some OCR text-recognition on it and uploading it in that form.

Coyote, we can get higher res images but it's damn expensive to do so. Good point to keep in mind tho.
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 22, 2011, 12:27:43 PM
Yeah definitely have it sent to your place im cool with that.

Also i dont mind it being known that my name is kevin. I just blanked out my email and the other part becuase they had my last name in them.

That said in retrospect i realize that my last name can easily be found out through the anarchangel page on facebook. Meh.
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: LMNO on July 22, 2011, 01:06:31 PM
I has a paypal.  I can send you a few bucks.  haz you paypal?
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Elder Iptuous on July 22, 2011, 02:41:39 PM
I'll chip in.
many wallets make low cost!
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Luna on July 22, 2011, 02:44:43 PM
Count me in, if you get numbers together before the 1st.  Going on vacation, so I'll be away for a couple weeks after that, so won't be able to send if it's after that (unless you wait 'til after the 15th, anyway).
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Cramulus on July 22, 2011, 04:12:45 PM
I will totally chip in! I also want an opportunity to poke at the manuscript and put in some 21st century prophecies. For example, the discovery of the planet Eris as a signal that Eris is ready to return.  :lulz:






(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2741/4387592592_36205708e3_b_d.jpg)
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 22, 2011, 04:21:14 PM
If my math is right this should now bring the cost down to a little over five bucks a head, yes?
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Cuddlefish on July 22, 2011, 05:34:09 PM
Love that pic, Cram.
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Phox on July 22, 2011, 06:43:10 PM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on July 22, 2011, 04:21:14 PM
If my math is right this should now bring the cost down to a little over five bucks a head, yes?
I'll see if I can convince Kai to chip in as well.  :)
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Cramulus on July 22, 2011, 08:23:26 PM
I smell a kickstarter
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 22, 2011, 09:29:56 PM
I'm definitely in for $5. Even I can swing that!
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Telarus on July 22, 2011, 11:05:42 PM
Holyshit, you spags are awesome. OK, I will get on top of this this afternoon.
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Telarus on July 23, 2011, 02:19:28 AM
I love the idea of adding our own memes to the version that we publicly release. NICE.

Quote from: Cramulus on July 22, 2011, 08:23:26 PM
I smell a kickstarter

Hmm, probably not at that level yet. KS takes 5% off the top _and_ lets Amazon take payment fees.


I do have a Paypal account I've received $ at before, poking around now. Ok, so I have to send each of you and email to "request money", so PM me a good email address and we can get this rolling.

I'll edit a list of fellow Ransom-ees into the first post, so we can keep track.
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Telarus on July 23, 2011, 02:42:04 AM
Ransomee List moved to OP.

That's 10+ spags, so yup, we have achieved the magic ~$5/share. Sweet. I'll keep Kai or others(if they shows interest) in mind if I can't confirm with the above spags. And then we'll start crossing off the list once the donations hit my paypal.

[Edit: I will still be throwing in up to $10 if necessary to cover any shortage due to paypal fees]
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 23, 2011, 10:36:04 AM
OK, I need the email though. And I take it thats US$?
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Cuddlefish on July 23, 2011, 06:35:28 PM
Fuck, 5 bucks? That's a slightly different story (plus, the more I think about this, the more I get a nerd-boner about it). If anyone doesn't pull through, let me know. I may have to mail you a fiver (no electric funds ATM) but money is money, ya?
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Telarus on July 23, 2011, 07:09:11 PM
Thanks Dingo, PM sent.

Dimo, I'll keep yah in mind!
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Luna on July 23, 2011, 09:35:47 PM
Quote from: Telarus on July 23, 2011, 07:09:11 PM
Thanks Dingo, PM sent.

Dimo, I'll keep yah in mind!

Send PM with Paypal info.   :D
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Juana on July 23, 2011, 10:58:59 PM
Quote from: Luna on July 23, 2011, 09:35:47 PM
Quote from: Telarus on July 23, 2011, 07:09:11 PM
Thanks Dingo, PM sent.

Dimo, I'll keep yah in mind!

Send PM with Paypal info.   :D
Dis. :)
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Telarus on July 24, 2011, 06:33:42 AM
Cool. With HoverCat, and after paypal fees, we are @ $19.10. I'm going to wait to see how much of the fees I need to make up for, but it probably won't be but a couple of bucks.

So, if any of you spags reading this have paypal, you can send a donation directly to me -> telarus[at]gmail[dot]com
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Luna on July 24, 2011, 12:03:47 PM
Quote from: Telarus on July 24, 2011, 06:33:42 AM
Cool. With HoverCat, and after paypal fees, we are @ $19.10. I'm going to wait to see how much of the fees I need to make up for, but it probably won't be but a couple of bucks.

So, if any of you spags reading this have paypal, you can send a donation directly to me -> telarus[at]gmail[dot]com

Folks, when you're sending money through PayPal, click the tab that says "Personal," and send it as a gift.  I believe that either reduces or eliminates the fees.
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Telarus on July 24, 2011, 01:11:06 PM
oooh, that's sneaky and totally not in the help.
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Placid Dingo on July 24, 2011, 02:52:01 PM
DONE!
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Telarus on July 25, 2011, 01:58:53 AM
 :lulz: I was hoping some-body would claim that. Nice note, had me cap-C 'Confused' there for a moment.
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Telarus on July 25, 2011, 08:27:12 PM
Alright! Over half-way there people!

Ransomee List
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Balance: $29.33

(thanks for the $5.23 Cramulus... also, my $10 hasn't hit yet as it's a bank transfer)

3 more and we're golden.
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Telarus on August 01, 2011, 06:36:18 PM
Bumping this now that Poptard is gone. Come on, 3 more spags!

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Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 01, 2011, 06:43:20 PM
Will send tonight :)
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: BadBeast on August 01, 2011, 08:15:15 PM
Send me details of an account I can pay it into, and I'll cough up £5.
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: LMNO on August 02, 2011, 04:57:28 PM
What BB said.  Where can haz PayPal sending?
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Telarus on August 03, 2011, 04:07:40 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 02, 2011, 04:57:28 PM
What BB said.  Where can haz PayPal sending?

PM sent.
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Cuddlefish on August 03, 2011, 06:30:39 AM
How many more people do you need? I can only send cash, so I would need a place to send it.
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: LMNO on August 03, 2011, 01:16:04 PM
Sent a fiver.
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Cain on August 03, 2011, 01:23:44 PM
$50?

Shit, I spent £50 on a single book last month.  I'd throw in some money, only I don't use Paypal.
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Telarus on August 03, 2011, 03:29:13 PM
Appreciate it Cain. I'll keep you on the backup list if.

Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 03, 2011, 01:16:04 PM
Sent a fiver.

Got it pending, should clear by the 10th or sooner, it says. Thanks!
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Don Coyote on August 03, 2011, 03:33:39 PM
should be five on the way by the end of the week from me.
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Phox on August 03, 2011, 05:25:32 PM
Quote from: COL Coyote on August 03, 2011, 03:33:39 PM
should be five on the way by the end of the week from me.
Ditto this.
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Telarus on August 05, 2011, 03:55:08 AM
Got LMNO's $5er pending, and Coyote's just confirmed:

$34.33 (+5 from LMNO pending)

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Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Salty on August 05, 2011, 04:08:59 AM
I can do $5 tomorrow.
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 11, 2011, 03:14:34 PM
5 USD sent. Sorry for the lateness, been trying to find a new place to live and kick my nicotine addiction.
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Telarus on August 12, 2011, 06:11:24 AM
Got it! Thanks!

I think we should have enough to go on. I've been swamped this week too. Prob wait till the weekend and we can start the order process...
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 12, 2011, 07:36:58 AM
Quote from: Telarus on August 12, 2011, 06:11:24 AM
Got it! Thanks!

I think we should have enough to go on. I've been swamped this week too. Prob wait till the weekend and we can start the order process...

Saturday is going to be crazy for me. I'll probably be able to make time Sunday night to help with it. You're 3 hours behind me, right? Like, it's quarter of 3 here right now, so it's quarter of midnight there?
Title: Re: Would you pony up a few bucks for.....?
Post by: Telarus on August 12, 2011, 08:52:47 AM
yeah
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