How is "sombunall" more effective than "some?"
I'm not a fan, so I should probably shut up. However, my answer is that it's a fucking stupid word, because "some" ALREADY MEANS SOME BUT NOT ALL. Because "All" would be the word that means "all".
Isn't "sombunall" a sleeping tablet? Iif not, it should be.
(And 'some' is still more effective than nut-nataw)
You REALLY want to know why?
Same reason anything fails when you depend on rational people acting rationally.
BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF MOUTH BREATHING FUCKOS (READ AS: THE ENTIRE FUCKING PLANET) NEED TO BE HANDHELD FROM ONE COGNITIVE STEP TO THE OTHER. MONKEYS CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "SOME" AND "ONLY THE PEOPLE WHO MATTER", SO YOU HAVE TO SLAP THEM IN THE FACE WITH IT.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 20, 2011, 03:36:45 AM
You REALLY want to know why?
Same reason anything fails when you depend on rational people acting rationally.
BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF MOUTH BREATHING FUCKOS (READ AS: THE ENTIRE FUCKING PLANET) NEED TO BE HANDHELD FROM ONE COGNITIVE STEP TO THE OTHER. MONKEYS CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "SOME" AND "ONLY THE PEOPLE WHO MATTER", SO YOU HAVE TO SLAP THEM IN THE FACE WITH IT.
Pretty much this, yeah. I agree with Nigel that it's a gimmicky meme, but it was one prong of RAW's insistence on realizing that the world you interact with gets mediated by the model of it which you're carrying around in your head. In order to clarify data, you need to be able to distinguish between the part of the model based on reference, and the parts which have been extrapolated/fabricated.
"The sky is blue" -> Some, but not all skies are blue -> I perceive the sky as blue on this planet due to the spectrum of light it reflects back at the surface of this gravity well.
"Why is the sky blue?" is quite literally asking the wrong question as every word except 'Why' (and I'll argue on that one) has screaming hordes of force-fed-meanings and unquestioned-presumptions behind it.
Sombunall wasn't meant to be
used, it was meant to be used
until you were disgusted with it, at which point you will _never_ forget that some does not include all.
Someone should probably send Rat an email about that. :lulz:
Yeah, it's just being a bit more anally precise about the language you use. Which is useful in some situations.
It's kind of like how much drama you avoid if you just preface your controversial opinions with "I think" or "It seems".
like if you walk into a crowd of metal heads and say "Metal sucks", everybody's going to jump to its defense. Even though what you really meant was "I hate metal".
I know this guy who is very very disagreeable, nitpicks every word choice. If you say the word "brotherhood" or "mankind", he simply MUST interrupt you and clarify whether or not you meant to be misogynistic. (he's a math PHD and takes symbols VERY! SERIOUSLY!) So when I hang around him I use as accurate language as possible to avoid getting into stupid diatribes about language.
You should point out to him that "man" historically referred to all humans, and so he is being a retard.
Example:
1647, Westminster Shorter Catechism, question 10: How did God create man?
God created man male and female, after his own image, in knowledge, righteousness, and holiness, with dominion over the creatures
Noooo I learned my lesson last summer. Not worth taking him to task, it just produces a wall of text, but in realtime.
The dude spent 2 hours lecturing me about how going "on reality safari" is racist because it implies I'm a white guy observing smudgy savages so I can chortle to my friends about how much more civilized I am.
I eventually started trolling the conversation with another Discordian friend, and the dude ended up leaving in a huff. "You guys are just bullshitters, that's all." :lulz:
Quote from: Cain on August 20, 2011, 03:11:25 PM
You should point out to him that "man" historically referred to all humans, and so he is being a retard.
Example:
1647, Westminster Shorter Catechism, question 10: How did God create man?
God created man male and female, after his own image, in knowledge, righteousness, and holiness, with dominion over the creatures
The problem is that "man" historically denoting both genders has an underlying subtext of woman being a sub-derivate of man...
On the other hand, i do find pointing out things like that in a conversation that isnt about gender and sexism the equivalent of sabotage on the subject at hand, like intellectual thread-jacking.
It would be like me saying right now "Cain, why do you hate people with learning-disabilities?"
If I were Cain, my answer to that would be: "because they're fucking retarded."
Quote from: Cramulus on August 20, 2011, 03:14:13 PMI eventually started trolling the conversation with another Discordian friend, and the dude ended up leaving in a huff. "You guys are just bullshitters, that's all." :lulz:
TITCM
discussion's going nowhere, you might as well have some fun!!
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on August 20, 2011, 05:21:10 PM
Quote from: Cain on August 20, 2011, 03:11:25 PM
You should point out to him that "man" historically referred to all humans, and so he is being a retard.
Example:
1647, Westminster Shorter Catechism, question 10: How did God create man?
God created man male and female, after his own image, in knowledge, righteousness, and holiness, with dominion over the creatures
The problem is that "man" historically denoting both genders has an underlying subtext of woman being a sub-derivate of man...
On the other hand, i do find pointing out things like that in a conversation that isnt about gender and sexism the equivalent of sabotage on the subject at hand, like intellectual thread-jacking.
It would be like me saying right now "Cain, why do you hate people with learning-disabilities?"
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on August 20, 2011, 05:35:24 PM
If I were Cain, my answer to that would be: "because they're fucking retarded."
If I were Fuck You One Eye, my answer to that would be "How the fuck should I know? Go and ask Cain"
Quote from: Epimetheus on August 20, 2011, 01:57:24 AM
How is "sombunall" more effective than "some?"
For the same reason RAH junkies use "grok".
So they can have a hip, insider language.
Quote from: BadBeast on August 23, 2011, 04:29:45 PM
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on August 20, 2011, 05:21:10 PM
It would be like me saying right now "Cain, why do you hate people with learning-disabilities?"
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on August 20, 2011, 05:35:24 PM
If I were Cain, my answer to that would be: "because they're fucking retarded."
If I were Fuck You One Eye, my answer to that would be "How the fuck should I know? Go and ask Cain"
If I were fucking retarded, I'd be all, like, standing there with my mouth half-open and drooling a bit.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 23, 2011, 04:53:41 PM
Quote from: Epimetheus on August 20, 2011, 01:57:24 AM
How is "sombunall" more effective than "some?"
For the same reason RAH junkies use "grok".
So they can have a hip, insider language.
No man, you just don't like grok the grok man.
Grok is Heinlein, not
ah nevermind
Quote from: Epimetheus on August 20, 2011, 01:57:24 AM
How is "sombunall" more effective than "some?"
Perhaps it's a trap for the lazy and conformist where instead of applying the
concept in your own way, suckers will use the
word "sombunall". Which is funny because the whole point was to add clarity to your language and thought, not to come off as pedantic, confusing, or jargony.
I'm starting to think RAW's other recommendation about merely swapping out "is" for "seems to be" may have been a practical joke as well. It may be an effective way to embarrass lazy people--offer an easy word swap that appears to be the change that the concept in question prescribes, when it just isn't that simple and calls for a lot more creativity and effort.
You can't overcome believing in the "all-ness" of a perception with "sombunall" in place of "some" and you're not going to master e-prime with "seems to be" in place of "is". But you will look funny while you try to.
SOMEBUNAL PEOPLE SEEM TO MASTER E-PRIME JUST FINE IN SOME SENSE
SOMEBUNAL KNOWN FACT: IN SOME SENSE YOU NOT ONLY SEEM TO NEED TO SEEM TO USE "TO SEEM" SEEMINGLY (IN SOMEBUNAL SENSE) BUT AS SOON AS YOU SEEM TO WRITE E-PRIME IN MOSBUNALL-CAPS YOU SEEM TO GET INSTANT (IN SOME SENSE) ENLIGHTENMENT AND MASTERY IN SOME SENSE MOSBUNALL MAYBE