At this point it is seemingly impossible to avoid the massive build up to the anniversary of that thing that happened. That thing that has apparently been permanently burned into the lexicon of American History. Whether we like it or not, it is going to be rubbing elbows with Paul Revere, the "shot heard around the world", the assassination of JFK, landing on the moon, etc., etc.,
Americans seem to enjoy wallowing in this rather perverse celebration of massive death at the hands of a rag-tag group of malcontents. A group that specifically intended the outcome that our country chooses to perpetuate.
They wanted this event to be permanently etched into the American psyche. And it happened.
They wanted September 11th, 2001 to be forever associated with terror and death. And it happened.
They wanted us to go into knee-jerk mode to help fuel their recruitment drives. And it happened.
They wanted to die for a cause that would allow them to live in infamy. And it happened.
You will not be able to avoid what has already begun. You could bury your TV, avoid all of the print publications, turn off your radio....but you'll still have your neighbors.
And your co-workers, and your family, and your mailman, and your meter-reader. They will suck you into conversation. They'll ask you where you were. They'll ask you if you knew anyone. They'll ask you if you are going to watch that movie about that I-beam that is wandering around from town to town on a flatbed truck making appearances at your local State Fair. Right next to the stand where they sell deep-fried Milky Way bars.
It's already begun. The stories about the kids who were born days after 9/11 where their Dad was killed. The stories about the old lady who lost her husband. The stories about some farmer who saw the hole that that plane in Pennsylvania made. The stories about the stories.
To be clear, we should not begrudge the families who lost friends and loved ones their time to reflect. For most it is likely to still be a very raw and tender set of feelings as that day arrives. But that's just it, this day should be left to them. To allow them to remember those they lost. But that is not what has happened. This country uses that pain as a way to justify wallowing in jingoist, saber-rattling reflection. To get lost in this weird violent nationalistic and xenophobic pornography.
We want to never forget, we want to remember, but not because we want to remember the tragedy of those who perished. No, we want to remember to justify the hot, seething hatred many in this country have for those people. Because this country wants to continue to insist those 19 assholes were speaking for everyone else who kinda looks like them or has a similar accent.
And anyone who will take 5 seconds to think about it knows its beyond fucked up. They know that every god-damned thing we do to enshrine this event is exactly what those fuckers wanted us to do. The smart thing to do, the thing to do that would actually emanate from a true sense of pride would be to brush it the fuck off and just move on. To stop dwelling. To no longer allow it to dictate our politics and our policies. To stand up and decree that this country isn't some pathetic daisy that will just wilt and buckle. But those of us who realize this are going to be deemed "insensitive". We have a "lack of empathy".
Well, fuck no, I have empathy. That's why I want us to fucking just stop. JUST FUCKING STOP IT NOW!!! Let's pull up our god damned big-boy pants and focus on the stuff that is breaking and falling apart NOW!
Well said, punster.
:mittens:
Oh, yes.
I couldn't agree more.
I'll save most of my empathy for the 6,000 deaths that happened because of the over-reaction and wars.
I feel like there's so much I have to say on this, but that none of it can add anything to the OP.
:potd:
I just hate how this day has turned into a kind of perverse Fourth of July. It's the kind of day the people who wander around wearing U.S. Flag t-shirts look forward to remembering. And now they even have a fucking flag for the day. Seriously. Go to your local Lowe's and you can buy your very own Official 9-11 Flag.
Quote from: The R-tist Sometimes Known as WHN on September 08, 2011, 03:36:17 PM
I just hate how this day has turned into a kind of perverse Fourth of July. It's the kind of day the people who wander around wearing U.S. Flag t-shirts look forward to remembering. And now they even have a fucking flag for the day. Seriously. Go to your local Lowe's and you can buy your very own Official 9-11 Flag.
Are they made in China?
I have to wonder whether it was like this the first 10 years after Pearl Harbor.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on September 08, 2011, 03:38:00 PM
I have to wonder whether it was like this the first 10 years after Pearl Harbor.
Probably. But at least they didn't have fucking Twitter and Facebook and Fox News.
I fucking hate this day.
Quote from: Hawk on September 08, 2011, 03:37:12 PM
Quote from: The R-tist Sometimes Known as WHN on September 08, 2011, 03:36:17 PM
I just hate how this day has turned into a kind of perverse Fourth of July. It's the kind of day the people who wander around wearing U.S. Flag t-shirts look forward to remembering. And now they even have a fucking flag for the day. Seriously. Go to your local Lowe's and you can buy your very own Official 9-11 Flag.
Are they made in China?
I dunno. I didn't get close enough to look. It was making my eye twitch so I had to keep my distance.
9/11, like the Holocaut, has been built up into a monument of Absolute Evil.
This process invariably steals the true tragedy and horror of the situation from its real victims.
It also obscures how common place this evil really is. I just started reading Nir Rosen's
Aftermath today, and, as always, he lays it out in stark and uncompromising terms:
QuoteI am often asked now if it was all worth it. Would it have been better to leave Saddam in power? Are Iraqis better or worse off than they were before the American war. I never know what to say. How do you compare different kinds of terror. Those who spared Saddam's prisons and executioners may be better off, though they have not been spared the American prisons or attacks, or the resistance's bombs, or the death squads of the civil war. The Kurds are certainly better off, on their way to independence, benefiting from their relative stability and improved economy. But the rest of Iraq? Under Saddam the violence came from one source: the regime. Now it has democratically distributed: death can come from anywhere, at all times, no matter who you are. You can be killed for crossing the street, for going to the market, for driving your car, for having the wrong name, for being in your house, for being a Sunni, for being a Shiite, for being a woman. The American military can kill you an operation, you can be arrested by militias and disappear in Iraq's new secret prisons, now run by Shiite; or you can be kidnapped by the resistance, or criminal gangs.
[...]
Imagine bombs raining down on your city, the ground shaking, the walls reverberating. Imagine your city losing its power, its water, its security, its communications and its government. Law and order disappear, weapons abound, machine guns rattle and bullets fly. Mountains of garbage grow higher on the street as goats, donkeys and children sift through them, dispersing the waste everywhere. Rivers of sewage cut through neighbourhoods and roads, and people wade through them. The food supply dwindles, dead dogs litter the streets, their legs frozen in midair with rigor mortis, and a modern city becomes a jungle. Hundreds of thousands of foreign occupiers are ensconced in the bedrooms and barracks of the former dictator, their leviathan tanks dominating traffic, but the newcomers do not replace the system they destroyed. Armed gangs roam freely and dogmatic religious organizations attempt to fill the power vacuum, though they too have no experience in governance and espouse an intolerant and regressive political ideology.
Will March 19th 2003 live on in the same way 9/11 does? I doubt it. March 19th still belongs to its victims, at least, though I doubt that is comforting for those who still live through its consequences.
9/11 almost has no connection to what actually happened that day. It's now something else. A word to explain why you can't wear shoes on a plane anymore, and why perverts from the NSA are monitoring what porn you download. A word to show how the government is really behind every evil act in the world, and why you must listen to X Radio Personality. A reason why the Muslims must be shown who is boss, and treated like chattle. The reason why cages in Cuba must stay there, and be filled. A reason to strap people down and slice their scrotums open with a scalpel and subject them to simulated drownings. A way to make a killing on advert sales, or weapon sales, or intelligence contract sales or...
And on and on and on. And it wont
ever stop.
Well, fuck. Now I need a drink.
This thread exemplifies The Horrible Truth™.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 08, 2011, 03:53:33 PM
Well, fuck. Now I need a drink.
Why, there happens to be an empty stool right here. Belly up to the bar my friend.
Likewise.
Theres an exhibit about it at El Museo (I'm going to start calling it that, because while I don't want to say the name here, I do want to talk about my time there). I went to it today. Lots of pictures, a few artifacts. I was startled though, not because I hadn't seen it all before, but because it really moved me and choked me up for perhaps the first time. I think it was, instead of focusing on the actual event of the planes hitting the buildings and of them crumbling (which is what most "memorials" do), it focused on the tragedy of human lives lost and the desolation that went along with. It was about people and disaster with no moralizing and very little in the way of nationalism. My favorite photographs were those of the shoes left behind, and the dust coating statues, of the writings and drawings made in dust on windows.
I think we're afraid to talk about the Burning of the Trade Centers because, in public, the conversation always goes to "where were you?" and "Gawd bless amurrica" and "we got that damned Osama". But if you just focus on it outside the politics...two of the tallest buildings in the world burned to the ground and killed nearly three thousand people, a number of casualties not equaled in "North America" (I hate to say the United States here, because it feels like Nationalism) since the events of December 7, 1941 in Hawai'i. And actually, it was more deaths than Pearl Harbor; nearly 500 more deaths, and civilian. Which would, if I am correct, make it unmatched since the Battle of Antietam.
I don't think it's wrong to feel something about this. And I also don't think it's bad to be upset about the idiocy of people who moralize upon it. And I wish I could take this middle ground without feeling guilty for all the idiots.
Edit: And, I might add, for the awfulness that came afterwards, especially that which Cain was quoting.
Can we finally stop singing God Bless America during the 7th Inning Stretch, now? I miss Take Me Out to the Ballgame. :argh!:
I agree with everything said here, except for
Quote9/11, like the Holocaut, has been built up into a monument of Absolute Evil.
this made me confused, because genocide, apart from being mind-blowingly, uncomprehendingly huge in most average people's terms, is very evil.
9/11, while a horrific stunt made by people who are/were stupid monkeys, and yeah it was also bad, I don't really get why it is considered a lesson of Absolute Evil.
And I'm just saying this knowing that I'm aware evils large and small are happening every day by people everywhere, and I most likely won't hear about them until I start digging around in the history mud myself.
Quote from: Jenkem and SPACE/TIME on September 09, 2011, 06:17:24 AM
I agree with everything said here, except for
Quote9/11, like the Holocaut, has been built up into a monument of Absolute Evil.
this made me confused, because genocide, apart from being mind-blowingly, uncomprehendingly huge in most average people's terms, is very evil.
9/11, while a horrific stunt made by people who are/were stupid monkeys, and yeah it was also bad, I don't really get why it is considered a lesson of Absolute Evil.
And I'm just saying this knowing that I'm aware evils large and small are happening every day by people everywhere, and I most likely won't hear about them until I start digging around in the history mud myself.
What's being articulated is the difference between the attacks of 9.11 and
"9/11"The holocaust of the Second World War and
"The Holocaust"When an event gets simplified into a ten second soundbite that resembles a Hollywood cliche, we can no longer learn from our past because it's not just the past; it's a symbol of GOOD vs EVIL.
That's what that's all about.
Oh. Yes, I guess that makes sense. If you don't automatically think of the surrounding events that actually happened, you just hear a trigger, a meme, and your trained reaction is one of national pride instead of somber thingy, yeah I can see where no learning can occur. That sort of thing?
an example of memetic false consciousness?
Maybe. I still don't get that, and Dok was explaining it earlier today. I probably just need to read whatever he read about it.
The way the point was first made to me, is if we look at the holocaust we can determine what kind of events caused it, what it says about human nature, what we can do to avoid a repeat etc.
If we look at The Holocaust we know the Nazis were evil and Jews were good.
That's something to chew on.
Mittens to this thread.
Bracing for NEVER FORGET Facebook spam.
Quote from: Jenkem and SPACE/TIME on September 09, 2011, 06:17:24 AM
I agree with everything said here, except for
Quote9/11, like the Holocaut, has been built up into a monument of Absolute Evil.
this made me confused, because genocide, apart from being mind-blowingly, uncomprehendingly huge in most average people's terms, is very evil.
9/11, while a horrific stunt made by people who are/were stupid monkeys, and yeah it was also bad, I don't really get why it is considered a lesson of Absolute Evil.
And I'm just saying this knowing that I'm aware evils large and small are happening every day by people everywhere, and I most likely won't hear about them until I start digging around in the history mud myself.
I have no problem agreeing genocide generally is extremely evil, and so by logical extension, the Holocaust was as well.
The problem is the enshrining of certain acts as examples of pure or unadulterated evil, as the Holocaust often is, with the implication that this level can never be reached before or again. Because it, by necessity, trivializes every other genocide in history. Since WWII, there have been acts of genocide perpetrated against Chechens (Stalin, then Yeltsin/Putin), Yalmyks, Muslims and Hindus and Sikhs who ended up on the wrong side of the India/Pakistan partition, Aborigines in Australia, Arabs in the Zanzibar revolution, Bengals in Bangladesh during the Liberation War, Tutsis and Hutus in Burundi, Tutsis and Hutus in Rwanda, Tutsis in the Democratic Republic of Congo, the Bubi in Equitoreal Guinea, the Khmer Rouge self-genocide in Cambodia, the East Timorese, Sabra and Shatila in Lebanon, the Ethopian Red Terror, the Kurds, the pygmies in the DR Congo, the Bantu in Somalia, Bosnian Muslims, the Hazara Muslims in Afghanistan and several other groups I could probably name with half an hour on Wikipedia.
I'm fairly sure for the victims and the families, these acts were every bit as evil as the Shoah. But because the Holocaust is enshrined as the Absolute Evil in popular imagination and thought, these acts never compare. Just look at the amount of writing devoted to the Holocaust....it's at least double of the amount that has been done on all of the above combined.
Selective blindness would be another word for it, and selective blindness tends to lead to dismissing of the victims or willful ignorance, which tends to lead to certain historical acts being promoted for the purposes of currently existing political structures.
I suppose another way to put it is that positing the uniqueness of an event is an attempt to resist putting it in any sort of historical context.
Pay attention to the 9/11 "nevar 4get" crowd. Pay attention to what they leave out. Do they mention that 9/11 was carried out by a group that grew out of the Arab Mujahideen, a hare-brained scheme cooked up by the CIA, ISI and Saudi Arabia to bleed the USSR dry? Do they mention that Bin Laden's network was operating in Kosovo and Albania, on the same side as the CIA, against Serbia? Do they mention several of the hijackers managed to get into the United States through a consulate in Jeddah which previously issued visas with minimal checks, to terrorist groups seeking training from said CIA? Do they mention that elements of the ISI likely had advanced warning, but did not see fit to pass these concerns onto the USA? Do they mention Bush Jr was warned in August that "Bin Laden determined to attack USA" and there was the mention of planes being used? Do they mention Dick Cheney, on the day of the attacks, issued an illegal order to the military to shoot down any plane suspected of being hijacked (an order the military thankfully ignored). Do they mention during the assault on Afghanistan that the ISI arranged for large numbers of the Taliban and Al-Qaeda to escape via the Kunduz airport? Do they mention the fallacious linking of Abu Musab al-Zaqarwi to the Al-Qaeda network and the fear that Saddam Hussein may pass weapons onto him was the key argument for invading Iraq and unleashing the earlier described hell on earth there? Do they mention how Bush, Addington, Cheney and Yoo spent near on a decade shredding the Constitution and shrieking about terrorism whenever someone objected.
9/11 does not exist outside of history. It cannot be viewed simply as The Event Itself. It had precursors and consequences. But certain people would likely for only The Event Itself to be considered, because the grief and anger that should rightfully and naturally result from such an act can then be channeled not towards those with greatest culpability and responsibility for the event and responses, but towards any number of designated enemies the media chooses to throw up.
That's my objection to what is inevitably going to happen.
:fuckmittens: to Cain. To all you spags.
I watched a documentary on telly the other night, part of the anniversary season. First time since it happened that I've actually felt something for the people who got stuck in those towers. At the time there was way too much political signal to noise, too much hooting and hollering and foaming at the mouth for me to take any of it seriously. The American Reich went batshit and, as is their want, declared war on another abstract concept and then a whole bunch of smudgy people got fucked over, even worse than they'd already been fucked over cos a whole bunch of sick, opportunistic cunts used the burning buildings as an excuse to further whatever political or financial agenda they stood to gain from.
Umpteen thousand poor bastards burning, falling and being crushed to death, whose only crime was turning up to work were sidelined as "Terrurizm OMG!" became the latest state jingo bumper sticker. "I want to avenge the time my daddy got his ass handed to him" screamed one and if anyone disagreed they were siding with the terrurists. "I want a blowjob off a bunch of strippers and a huge bag of cocaine" yelled another and if anyone disagreed it was the terrurists. Who needs logic when you've got TEH BOOGEYMAN. And the good thing about boogeymen is it's a bit like being "it" in a game of hide and seek. One dies you just tag the next one. Everybody stays scared, everybody turns up for the two minute hate, nobody asks you what the hell you're playing at, that's the important thing.
All of it, the insane political criminality, the retarded gullible masses being spoonfed what to think and how scared/angry/supportive of operation landgrab to be made me as sick as it always does and somehow I completely ignored the poor office workers who paid the price for a hundred years of fuck ups by the same people who profited from their deaths. You see I don't buy the conspiracy theories. The CIA flew the plane into the buildings and all that bullshit but I do buy the historical theories. That the US governments fucking around in the middle east fostered the kind of climate where suicide pilots would be motivated and able to fly a couple of great big planes into a couple of great big buildings full of innocent people.
Hell yeah, terrurists are assholes, as are the governments that made them. As usual it's the little guy that ends up carrying the can, and being forgotten about by the very people who shout "never forget" the loudest.
That's exactly it. And probably what boils me over more than anything else. Dead people being used as political, nationalistic footballs. Or more like hand-grenades. And when you do that, they become faceless. They become little nameless pawns. They are stand ins for "American Exceptionalism".
All of that bullshit about the "Ground Zero Mosque". It was NEVER about any disrespect to any actual Ground Zero victims. It was always about, "We don't want those Muslims near our America." Ground Zero became a special place for these idiots, not because of the dead, but because it became their American Mecca. It is now our Jerusalem. And by holy fuck, we aren't going to let those people anywhere near it.
The only 9/11 special I've ever subjected myself to is one they do on the History Channel, or maybe it's Discovery, I don't remember. But basically it's one where they cobbled together amateur footage from a few people who were recording the events as they unfolded. There isn't any commentary, it's just showing what happened, how people reacted, etc. It was about the people. There was no politics thrown in, it was just focusing on what those poor people were going through. The people in the buildings, the rescue workers who pretty much signed their death certificates as they marched in to do what they could.
And goddamn, you don't need any more proof of how little the "9/11!" crowd cares for the actual victims of the attacks then that whole debacle around that bill for supporting 9/11 responders. If they really gave a fuck it would've been a no-brainer and that thing would've sailed through. But no, it became a debate about spending. That there was any question that we spend some chump change to help those guys and gals out was vile and disgusting.
You know what, I wouldn't do that shit. I wouldn't do that job. I wouldn't suit up and run into a building I knew was going to collapse. I'm more than happy to see a few of my tax dollars go to those guys. I mean, for my money that takes some goddamned stones.
:mittens:
excellent piece. I sometimes don't get how so many people just don't get it and just default to "America, Fuck Yeah!" without really thinking about it. The amount of money that will be spent on made on 9/11 "merchandise" just sickens me (the coins/statues allegedly made from the wreckage from the towers? :vomit: that just seems so morbid, and I usually like morbid). But people will just eat it right up because buying this crap (made in China, no doubt) will show those terrorists, somehow. Like every other "holiday" it's become a reason to sell more stuff, with the added bonus of stirring up a retarded sense of nationalism and hatred for those "brown people" each year.
Do you happen to have this posted elsewhere that I can link to (w/ attribution). If not, I'll probably fire something off at the FB people already passing around those awful chain messages. But it'll probably amount to something like "STFU. I hate you all."
No. But please feel free to use it as you wish.
Wow, great thread on a very difficult and maddening subject matter. Kudos to all that have contributed...I don't have much further to say this point, so I'm just going to continue reading and thinking about what's being said.
Cain, thanks for clearing that up a bit more for me. I can totally see all of that, The Holocaust being the "exception of history" when it really isn't (and I usually have to remind myself it wasn't just 6 million Jews that died, too, which really shows that we don't even get taught enough about that), and 9/11 being a WTF, Asshole moment from Al Qaida to Murca, or so many people believe.
Sorry for threadjacking, RWHN. You are a completely awesome writer, and I'm glad you came back, even if you don't make as many puns any more. :)
And RAH P3NT! :mittens:
And watch out, because despite our efforts to frame the event, what came before, and what came after, all in the light of simple reality, we are all going to have to deal with idiots tomorrow.
And it's a Sunday. How much worse can you get?
I'm not even putting the news on today. I'll wait for the 10 Year Memorial of 10 Year Memorial for September 11th, just in case I miss anything interesting this time around.
Still, there are some signs of improvement. For example:
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The media is never representative of true public opinion. In the current political context, anyway.
Of course, this only exacerbates the disconnect between public opinion, media opinion and government policy, which is one of the major problems right now. The United States still lurches towards the Counterintelligence State, like a demented beast determined to copy the flaws of its fallen enemies (see also the US military's obsession with German strategies - the same German strategies which aided Germany in losing two world wars and being reduced to an American vassal state). The FSB, no doubt, appreciate the irony, but I doubt many others do.
If you all will excuse me, I'm going to go vomit, now.
NOTE: VERY DISTURBING IMAGES
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ-WTFA2vXY&feature=player_embedded
Herman Cain has taken it upon himself to string together some of the most horrific images from 9/11, set them to himself singing "God Bless America," and release it as a Presidential campaign video.
If this jackass held every single political view I considered correct, this bullshit would cost him my vote.
The RNC did that same thing during their convention in 2008. I don't know if any of you remember this, but during the convention they played a 3 or 4 minutes "Tribute to the Victims of 9/11". Except, when it ran, it wasn't a tribute to the victims. They barely even mentioned the victims. It was all of the violent imagery fading into violent saber rattling and fear mongering. The message to the American people was, "If you elect Hillary or Obama, this will fucking happen again. If you want to be safe, vote for us."
They completely used it as a piece of poli-prop.
And yeah, it is almost completely unavoidable today if you put on the TV. Fuck, C-Span 3 was re-broadcasting all of the chest-thumping speeches all of the "Brave" U.S. Senators made on the floor of the Senate the day after. Including all of the Democrats who would go on to vote for the pointless war in Iraq.
At least Sprout and Nick Jr. don't have any 9/11 programming on today.
Its been mentioned on the BBC. For about every news broadcast for the past week.
I too am avoiding the television and news papers. I'd love to watch NFL today, but I know it would include the same. So none of that.
Quote from: Placid Dingo on September 09, 2011, 06:40:22 AM
Quote from: Jenkem and SPACE/TIME on September 09, 2011, 06:17:24 AM
I agree with everything said here, except for
Quote9/11, like the Holocaut, has been built up into a monument of Absolute Evil.
this made me confused, because genocide, apart from being mind-blowingly, uncomprehendingly huge in most average people's terms, is very evil.
9/11, while a horrific stunt made by people who are/were stupid monkeys, and yeah it was also bad, I don't really get why it is considered a lesson of Absolute Evil.
And I'm just saying this knowing that I'm aware evils large and small are happening every day by people everywhere, and I most likely won't hear about them until I start digging around in the history mud myself.
What's being articulated is the difference between the attacks of 9.11 and "9/11"
The holocaust of the Second World War and "The Holocaust"
When an event gets simplified into a ten second soundbite that resembles a Hollywood cliche, we can no longer learn from our past because it's not just the past; it's a symbol of GOOD vs EVIL.
That's what that's all about.
I agree. Ideas about abstract good and evil can become quite dangerous, I think. If Group A are inherently good and Group B are inherently evil then neither has any moral responsibility or choice. If we demonize nazis are terrorists i.e. make them into something
more than 'ordinary people' then we also exaggerate the actual amount of power they have. They're not supermen or monsters. They're human beings. The holocaust and 9/11 are both things that humans are capable of. I notice that people tend to get very touchy if you point this out. It's much nicer to believe that we could
never be capable of similar atrocities, that we wouldn't even have to make a choice. Anyway, sorry if this is getting slightly off topic.
I'm new around these parts and this is my first forum so I'm still figuring out how everything works. So if I display an unusual amount of stupidity please bear with me. I'll learn. RWHN I agree completely with your post.
This is an awesome post. Props, RWHN.
I don't have a TV. I don't read the local newspaper. I keep up with news online but have specifically skipped all the hype.
But I have co-workers who "remember it like it was yesterday".
"That's funny", I said, "I remember it like it was 10 years ago."
They started with this shit last week. None of them lost anyone. None of them know any one who did. They've never met a Muslim. Most of them have never been to New York.
But everyone is super patriotic, and, had they been there, would have done things differently. People wouldn't have died, yadda yadda.
This is September's Holy Day and it sucks just as much as Valentine's Day and St. Pat's. And all the others, really.
Another day dedicated to Missing The Point.
Really really good thread. Thanks RWHN and everyone else who commented.
^ That.
Today, I went and bought all three Rugrats movies, both American Tales movies, and Machete, so I didn't even watch OnDemand today. Did anybody watch tv, and was it really thick with NEVER FORGET stuff?
Quote from: Jenkem and SPACE/TIME on September 12, 2011, 07:07:57 AM
Did anybody watch tv, and was it really thick with NEVER FORGET stuff?
I have successfully evaded it except for the print NYT.
Which seemed more of a tribute to the people who died.
We kept the TV off and were out of the house most of the day anyway but from a brief scan of the guide it looked pretty thick. And of course it was plastered all over MSNBC.com
Oh and Facebook. Jeebus, Facebook.
I mostly avoided it, but it somehow got shoved down my throat due to a bunch of spags on an Internet Forum.
Had to share.
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/09/11-7