Anyone seen this?
http://usdayofrage.org/ (http://usdayofrage.org/)
Apparently activists plan to occupy wall street and are using rhetoric referring to the Arab Spring.
The fact that I hadn't heard about it until the day before tells me I am not as plugged into the protest movement as I used to be, but the fact that i haven't seen it mentioned here suggests to me that it is not as big a deal as the organizers hope.
Already planned to order them pizza... local spags are going to the bank of america tower
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on September 17, 2011, 01:57:43 AM
Anyone seen this?
http://usdayofrage.org/ (http://usdayofrage.org/)
Apparently activists plan to occupy wall street and are using rhetoric referring to the Arab Spring.
The fact that I hadn't heard about it until the day before tells me I am not as plugged into the protest movement as I used to be, but the fact that i haven't seen it mentioned here suggests to me that it is not as big a deal as the organizers hope.
I expect this to accomplish nothing.
It's unfortunate, but until people get to the point that they don't have more than half a meal a day, nothing happens. And I put it like that, because some days, I get away with eating once.
A hungry population is a dangerous population.
Awell fed protesting population is a population of "activists"
Twid,
Being Doktor Blight for a moment.
Also, Western "democracies" do a good job of marginalizing and imprisoning people who are saying the same things as revolutionaries that we support in Arab countries.
This is working me up to a rant, but I'm under the influence, so I won't embarrass myself.
There are real protests in these cities all the time. This, rather erroneously labeled "day of rage" with no apparent rage, looks like a toothless decoy.
:lulz:
We have vastly different definitions of "real protests", I fear.
The last "real protest" I remember in PDX was the one where they were all mad about the cops shooting people and all that happened was some "anarchist" threw his bike at a cop car and then suddenly it was considered a "riot".
Not that I'm pining for some PDX version of WTO, mind you. I lived in Belltown when that shit went down and it really wasn't all that cool.
There's some bite to it since us uncut is asking people to close their accounts at these banks...
Tactic seems to work... http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/03/11/wisconsin-protesters-target-bank-that-supported-governor-walker/
Quote from: Brian Fnord on September 17, 2011, 05:10:23 AM
There's some bite to it since us uncut is asking people to close their accounts at these banks...
Tactic seems to work... http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/03/11/wisconsin-protesters-target-bank-that-supported-governor-walker/
There's no point in closing a bank account when most people have less than $300 in their account at any given time.
Twid,
living paycheck to paycheck.
So, just looking at the occupation plans....they're not actually occupying any buildings or offices in Wall Street (which might actually disrupt trading and cost the country money, and so be a useful and legitimate bargaining tool), they're just going to stand on the sidewalks outside, giving speeches. Oh, and they're doing this on a Saturday, which is only marginally better than doing it on a Sunday.
I give this plan roughly 1/10. That 1 is for actually identifying the problem. They lost nine points for bad strategy and bad tactics.
How did the Teabaggers get their tax cuts? Holding the fortunes of the country hostage. How're you going to change Wall Street? The exact same way.
For fucks sake, can we fly some Thai Redshirts over to New York? Someone, anyone, with an idea of how to actually put pressure on political targets, and not hold yet another dreary "protest" dressed up in revolutionary rhetoric.
Quote from: Cain on September 17, 2011, 09:13:18 AM
So, just looking at the occupation plans....they're not actually occupying any buildings or offices in Wall Street (which might actually disrupt trading and cost the country money, and so be a useful and legitimate bargaining tool), they're just going to stand on the sidewalks outside, giving speeches. Oh, and they're doing this on a Saturday, which is only marginally better than doing it on a Sunday.
I give this plan roughly 1/10. That 1 is for actually identifying the problem. They lost nine points for bad strategy and bad tactics.
How did the Teabaggers get their tax cuts? Holding the fortunes of the country hostage. How're you going to change Wall Street? The exact same way.
For fucks sake, can we fly some Thai Redshirts over to New York? Someone, anyone, with an idea of how to actually put pressure on political targets, and not hold yet another dreary "protest" dressed up in revolutionary rhetoric.
This is America, Cain.
That's just too much fucking effort. Can't we hire someone to do all that shit for us?
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on September 17, 2011, 05:01:28 AM
:lulz:
We have vastly different definitions of "real protests", I fear.
The last "real protest" I remember in PDX was the one where they were all mad about the cops shooting people and all that happened was some "anarchist" threw his bike at a cop car and then suddenly it was considered a "riot".
Not that I'm pining for some PDX version of WTO, mind you. I lived in Belltown when that shit went down and it really wasn't all that cool.
The media stopped reporting protests about 15 years ago. Now, the only way to know one's happening is to accidentally be in the middle of one having your car overturned.
(That's when you're like, oh shit, I should have checked my Facebook event invites)
But seriously, my kid was amidst thousands of people getting maced by police a couple years ago, but not even Willy Week covered it. How many sluts marched at Slutwalk? Got zero coverage. Local media policy is no mention of protests, at all, ever. Protests are no longer a useful tool for raising awareness.
They're useless even when they do raise awareness.
That's why you have to occupy and disrupt the economic seats of power. Airports, banks, stock exchanges. Make your protest cost real money and get international investors slightly nervous. Put a dent in the stock prices. Anything less is self-aggrandizing political wankery.
Absolutely. Protests were once useful because they disrupted things.
Seems they're planning *something*, though:
http://www.itworld.com/security/203799/anonymous-launch-more-effective-site-attack-tool-saturday-when-it-occupies-wall-stre
They have free yoga classes :lulz:
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on September 17, 2011, 06:46:29 AM
Quote from: Brian Fnord on September 17, 2011, 05:10:23 AM
There's some bite to it since us uncut is asking people to close their accounts at these banks...
Tactic seems to work... http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/03/11/wisconsin-protesters-target-bank-that-supported-governor-walker/
There's no point in closing a bank account when most people have less than $300 in their account at any given time.
Twid,
living paycheck to paycheck.
Firefighter union withdrewn at least 200k, all it takes is a few investors or hundred people to switch to a credit union.
That said this seems more like an illegal street fair then a protest
Supposedly this "occupation" of wall st is going to last for the next two months.
Read reports on twitter earlier of police setting up barricades.
The only media mention of this that I've seen was one tweet by @cnnbrk earlier stating "hundreds protest on wall street".
If anon is attaching themselves to this don't expect the wall st protests to be more than people holding up signs with memes and boom boxes blasting rick astley.
At least the hacktivist approach works. I really wish it would hurry up and evolve further than ddos-ing though. Can't wait until the truly juicy digital records of corruption get thrown out in a much faster manner than wikileaks, which has kind of shit the bed with the months long analysis between publishing leaks. I guess thats the price of credibility.
Quote from: Brian Fnord on September 17, 2011, 10:06:08 PM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on September 17, 2011, 06:46:29 AM
Quote from: Brian Fnord on September 17, 2011, 05:10:23 AM
There's some bite to it since us uncut is asking people to close their accounts at these banks...
Tactic seems to work... http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/03/11/wisconsin-protesters-target-bank-that-supported-governor-walker/
There's no point in closing a bank account when most people have less than $300 in their account at any given time.
Twid,
living paycheck to paycheck.
Firefighter union withdrewn at least 200k, all it takes is a few investors or hundred people to switch to a credit union.
That said this seems more like an illegal street fair then a protest
To most banks, $200K might as well be $300. If you're not playing with 8 digit amounts, you're chump change.
Quote from: Da6s on September 18, 2011, 04:30:03 AM
At least the hacktivist approach works. I really wish it would hurry up and evolve further than ddos-ing though. Can't wait until the truly juicy digital records of corruption get thrown out in a much faster manner than wikileaks, which has kind of shit the bed with the months long analysis between publishing leaks. I guess thats the price of credibility.
Um they're already doing both. Have been for months. Longer, if you count LulzSec. The truly lulzy records are already out there, too. When it comes to hacktivism, stealing data is a 1-3 man op. DDoSing
is the only way to combine group involvement and hacktivism, anything more complex can't be done by 100s of people. Wikileaks created such a big stir
because they took so much care releasing and redacting their data. LulzSec and many other recent leaks have potentially revealed just as much terrible secrets (not globally like Wikileaks, but concerning corporate corruption in the US) but they didn't create as big of a stink because they have no media plan whatsoever.
In other words, just about everything you said was wrong uninformed armchair criticism which annoys me to no end because we already got the mainstream media doing a great enough job of missing the point entirely.
Yep. People are being cranky that the protest wasn't reported.
http://www.politicususa.com/en/media-blackout-us-day-of-rage
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on September 18, 2011, 09:59:18 AM
Quote from: Brian Fnord on September 17, 2011, 10:06:08 PM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on September 17, 2011, 06:46:29 AM
Quote from: Brian Fnord on September 17, 2011, 05:10:23 AM
There's some bite to it since us uncut is asking people to close their accounts at these banks...
Tactic seems to work... http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/03/11/wisconsin-protesters-target-bank-that-supported-governor-walker/
There's no point in closing a bank account when most people have less than $300 in their account at any given time.
Twid,
living paycheck to paycheck.
Firefighter union withdrewn at least 200k, all it takes is a few investors or hundred people to switch to a credit union.
That said this seems more like an illegal street fair then a protest
To most banks, $200K might as well be $300. If you're not playing with 8 digit amounts, you're chump change.
Yup. If they don't have to report your transactions to the SEC / etc, then you're part of a 'product portfolio', not a customer.
Quote from: Luna on September 18, 2011, 10:13:36 AM
Yep. People are being cranky that the protest wasn't reported.
http://www.politicususa.com/en/media-blackout-us-day-of-rage
HAHAHA!
Dumbfucks. What the hell were they expecting.
I swear to God, this fucking country is RETARDED. It's like everyone married their first cousin, or drank while pregnant or some shit.
Why the hell did they plan this for a weekend when no one would be around? :?
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on September 19, 2011, 03:18:07 AM
Why the hell did they plan this for a weekend when no one would be around? :?
Well, they wouldn't want to be a nuisance.
(http://pajamasmedia.com/zombie/files/2011/09/DSC_1362.jpg)
There are no words.
Wow, the rage is palpable from here. :lulz:
It's like they don't even understand the word.
I can't decide whether I find this extremely funny or pathetically sad. What in the hell has crippled people like this? I'm pretty sure there was a time when people would get together in the streets and cause some serious damage. Not that I'm stupid enough to think that would do anything either, but when they design a sign like that and stand there like an idiot holding it until their arms get tired, just what goes through their heads?
WHO THE FUCK MADE THAT SIGN? What kind of mind thinks RAGE and designs that piece of shit? I'll bet they had some kind of fucking committee that worried over it for hours on end and THAT'S what they came up with. I want to roll it up, stick a giant lead pipe in the middle, and beat those people holding it just to illustrate what actual rage might look like.
Quote from: Triple Zero on September 18, 2011, 10:04:00 AM
Quote from: Da6s on September 18, 2011, 04:30:03 AM
At least the hacktivist approach works. I really wish it would hurry up and evolve further than ddos-ing though. Can't wait until the truly juicy digital records of corruption get thrown out in a much faster manner than wikileaks, which has kind of shit the bed with the months long analysis between publishing leaks. I guess thats the price of credibility.
Um they're already doing both. Have been for months. Longer, if you count LulzSec. The truly lulzy records are already out there, too. When it comes to hacktivism, stealing data is a 1-3 man op. DDoSing is the only way to combine group involvement and hacktivism, anything more complex can't be done by 100s of people. Wikileaks created such a big stir because they took so much care releasing and redacting their data. LulzSec and many other recent leaks have potentially revealed just as much terrible secrets (not globally like Wikileaks, but concerning corporate corruption in the US) but they didn't create as big of a stink because they have no media plan whatsoever.
In other words, just about everything you said was wrong uninformed armchair criticism which annoys me to no end because we already got the mainstream media doing a great enough job of missing the point entirely.
i'm having an off week. i should retreat back to not posting for another few months and try again later.
also, i thought the lulzsec bank hack data they never released? and the leaks they have thrown out weren't game changing, which is what i was referring to.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 19, 2011, 01:50:46 AM
Quote from: Luna on September 18, 2011, 10:13:36 AM
Yep. People are being cranky that the protest wasn't reported.
http://www.politicususa.com/en/media-blackout-us-day-of-rage
HAHAHA!
Dumbfucks. What the hell were they expecting.
I swear to God, this fucking country is RETARDED. It's like everyone married their first cousin, or drank while pregnant or some shit.
I checked the news here.
3 big newspapers ignored it. One big mainstream news website and the public TV news broadcasting website both did report it. Not very in-depth or anything, but it was mentioned.
When I see that photo, I kinda get the feeling of a nation that's pretty much forgotten how to work up a proper RAGE and ... well, they're trying, going through the movements, seeing if maybe it'll come back to them, you know?
Sorry but isn't dumping or laughing at these people just as bad as when some disagreed with the "perry/gay" campaign? I mean sure, it's not as sharp and doesn't carry a punch like your ideas, but at least these people are doing something, right? They're not just posting about it on a website, but they actually printed off a huge banner (which indeed is laughably bad) and went onto the streets.
So what if they forgot how to do a proper protest? Should you laugh at them for being pathetic or should you encourage them, cheer them on, see if they can take yet another step to proper real rage?
And one thing, maybe it doesn't do *much*, this RL protest, but I walked around on Wall Street this summer, and there's Important People With Expensive Suits And Expensive Watches walking around all over the place. If you actually get a crowd there and have them chant some vaguely threatening things (free speech, right?
"EAT THE RICH! EAT THE RICH! EAT THE RICH!") would make them pretty damn uncomfortable, no?
Quote from: Da6s on September 19, 2011, 05:21:21 AM
i'm having an off week. i should retreat back to not posting for another few months and try again later.
and I was being a bit more cranky than necessary, sorry.
Quotealso, i thought the lulzsec bank hack data they never released? and the leaks they have thrown out weren't game changing, which is what i was referring to.
dunno what they didn't release. but they did release several gigabytes of data and emails. and I'm pretty sure not even 5% of that shit has been analyzed further than a few searches for choice keywords.
that's the difference. Wikileaks made a deal with news agencies, they would get the data if they'd do the research on it. Wikileaks did part of the research themselves as well.
LulzSec just dumped the data out there. That's not enough. I mean, think about it, all the info is already out there, even without the leaks we knew about the corruption, if you just look and connect the dots (or read Cain's write-ups of him connecting the dots), but that doesn't bring anything to attention of the world, right?
So now there's even more proof and more damning stuff out there, but if nobody writes about it, and if nobody investigates it further to see what it really means, it's just there.
So, once more, you can't skimp on doing proper journalistic research. We need more, and better journalists, we need a fucking army of Spider Jerusalems.
Quote from: Triple Zero on September 19, 2011, 10:45:42 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 19, 2011, 01:50:46 AM
Quote from: Luna on September 18, 2011, 10:13:36 AM
Yep. People are being cranky that the protest wasn't reported.
http://www.politicususa.com/en/media-blackout-us-day-of-rage
HAHAHA!
Dumbfucks. What the hell were they expecting.
I swear to God, this fucking country is RETARDED. It's like everyone married their first cousin, or drank while pregnant or some shit.
I checked the news here.
3 big newspapers ignored it. One big mainstream news website and the public TV news broadcasting website both did report it. Not very in-depth or anything, but it was mentioned.
When I see that photo, I kinda get the feeling of a nation that's pretty much forgotten how to work up a proper RAGE and ... well, they're trying, going through the movements, seeing if maybe it'll come back to them, you know?
Sorry but isn't dumping or laughing at these people just as bad as when some disagreed with the "perry/gay" campaign? I mean sure, it's not as sharp and doesn't carry a punch like your ideas, but at least these people are doing something, right? They're not just posting about it on a website, but they actually printed off a huge banner (which indeed is laughably bad) and went onto the streets.
So what if they forgot how to do a proper protest? Should you laugh at them for being pathetic or should you encourage them, cheer them on, see if they can take yet another step to proper real rage?
And one thing, maybe it doesn't do *much*, this RL protest, but I walked around on Wall Street this summer, and there's Important People With Expensive Suits And Expensive Watches walking around all over the place. If you actually get a crowd there and have them chant some vaguely threatening things (free speech, right? "EAT THE RICH! EAT THE RICH! EAT THE RICH!") would make them pretty damn uncomfortable, no?
Y'know, I'm actually inclined to agree with this post. I'm still gonna laugh my ass off at the pathetic and ineffectual hippies and their "day of rage", but I see where you're coming from and I agree in principle.
It's just that I'm frequently willing to ignore my principles. :lulz:
Definitely not going to stand in the way of someone who wants to have a good laugh because I too see where you're coming from and agree in principle :-)
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 19, 2011, 01:50:46 AM
Quote from: Luna on September 18, 2011, 10:13:36 AM
Yep. People are being cranky that the protest wasn't reported.
http://www.politicususa.com/en/media-blackout-us-day-of-rage
HAHAHA!
Dumbfucks. What the hell were they expecting.
I swear to God, this fucking country is RETARDED. It's like everyone married their first cousin, or drank while pregnant or some shit.
All of the above, plus a nasty infection.
Quote from: Triple Zero on September 19, 2011, 10:53:02 AM
So, once more, you can't skimp on doing proper journalistic research. We need more, and better journalists, we need a fucking army of Spider Jerusalems.
Ed Murrow's dead, Trip.
We'll have to settle for whatever blow-dried talking head they prop up in front of a camera.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 19, 2011, 06:15:19 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on September 19, 2011, 10:53:02 AM
So, once more, you can't skimp on doing proper journalistic research. We need more, and better journalists, we need a fucking army of Spider Jerusalems.
Ed Murrow's dead, Trip.
We'll have to settle for whatever blow-dried talking head they prop up in front of a camera.
When one of the best news sources on TV is a comedy show, we are all fucked.
Quote from: Luna on September 19, 2011, 06:42:09 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 19, 2011, 06:15:19 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on September 19, 2011, 10:53:02 AM
So, once more, you can't skimp on doing proper journalistic research. We need more, and better journalists, we need a fucking army of Spider Jerusalems.
Ed Murrow's dead, Trip.
We'll have to settle for whatever blow-dried talking head they prop up in front of a camera.
When one of the best news sources on TV is a comedy show, we are all fucked.
This is a sentiment that i've seen repeated quite a bit, but i don't quite understand why this isn't greeted with open arms.
especially here.
i think that dipping the news in humor is a fantastic development...
Because the Daily Show isn't actually supposed to be a news show. They're a comedy show that happen to do their research well enough that they're better than the average news show which doesn't.
Nothing wrong with bringing the news as humour, it's a cool idea, but the goal of the Daily Show is still to entertain.
Nobody's actually dipping the news in humour. It's just that a current-events entertainment show necessarily has chunks of news in it, and these chunks happen to be better researched than your mainstream news shows.
It's like that something-window for left/right politics, except for journalism. Your news has gotten so bad that even a current-events comedy show does a better job at portraying it insightfully.
It's not like the Daily Show stepped in and said, okay we're going to bring proper researched news and then dip it in humour for good measure!
yes -- Daily Show is NOT news. It's commentary on news. And the commentary is often more insightful than the news itself. But its intent is different - it plays a different role than actual journalism. They have freedoms that news shows don't have. And they accomplish different things than journalists do.
agree with both of you, but i don't know how clean the delineation is.
Quote from: Cramulus on September 19, 2011, 07:09:28 PM
yes -- Daily Show is NOT news. It's commentary on news. And the commentary is often more insightful than the news itself. But its intent is different - it plays a different role than actual journalism. They have freedoms that news shows don't have. And they accomplish different things than journalists do.
*points at my sig*
Quote from: Iptuous on September 19, 2011, 07:13:13 PM
agree with both of you, but i don't know how clean the delineation is.
either I don't understand what you're trying to say here,
or the fact that you don't
know says more about the quality of your news than the cleanliness of the delineation.
Quote from: Triple Zero on September 19, 2011, 07:31:10 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on September 19, 2011, 07:13:13 PM
agree with both of you, but i don't know how clean the delineation is.
either I don't understand what you're trying to say here,
or the fact that you don't know says more about the quality of your news than the cleanliness of the delineation.
perhaps you are right on the second point. :)
What i mean to say is that, despite intentions, the daily show does, in fact, tell you what the news stories of the day are. they are not doing the investigation themselves, so it can't be counted as real journalism, but it does present the current news stories in circulation.
the 'serious' news, on the other hand, seem to editorialize enough that they almost seem to meet in the middle.
I don't trust either to provide an accurate assessment of whatever the current situation is, i guess.
...perhaps you are right on the second point. :)
Quote from: Iptuous on September 19, 2011, 06:51:00 PM
Quote from: Luna on September 19, 2011, 06:42:09 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 19, 2011, 06:15:19 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on September 19, 2011, 10:53:02 AM
So, once more, you can't skimp on doing proper journalistic research. We need more, and better journalists, we need a fucking army of Spider Jerusalems.
Ed Murrow's dead, Trip.
We'll have to settle for whatever blow-dried talking head they prop up in front of a camera.
When one of the best news sources on TV is a comedy show, we are all fucked.
This is a sentiment that i've seen repeated quite a bit, but i don't quite understand why this isn't greeted with open arms.
especially here.
i think that dipping the news in humor is a fantastic development...
The reason I would say we're all fucked, is because the big news agencies that most people trust don't deliver anything remotely resembling news, and a comedy show that really doesn't do anything but mock the big news agencies and public figures is more informative.
It seems to me that the daily show does do more than just mock the big news shows.
if you watch the daily show, and your buddy watches a 'real' news show, and you meet up at the water cooler the next day, you'll both know about the story of the day. you just happen to have had a joke delivered with it as well.
What you are describing is more like the Onion, right?
so, i understand what you are saying, but i think the DS is providing a news service that can editorialize as a counter to the other news services while protected behind a shield of humor. They can tell a story about something and lambaste the spin that is being put out by, for example, Fox, and people will absorb it with a laugh that would otherwise shun another view of it. I can see this directly with friends and family.
So, it's telling the story of the day and it's putting out alternate interpretations through humor. That seems to me to be increasing the 'for real' newsiness of the system as a whole.
perhaps my view is based in part on the fact that i don't think 'pure journalism' without some kind of inherent editorializing is possible.
also, i have been known to be an idiot, too. so there's that...
tangent ----------
the other day I was talking with a friend about Newscorp and the Murdoch empire
I was talking about how little news coverage Murdoch's trial is getting now that the initial soundbytes are out of the way. I mean, there's been other big news, like that tripoli thing, and that little debt ceiling fiasco, but I'm surprised that we haven't been hearing more about Murdoch.
And my friend said "What do you expect? For a company to publicize its boss' wrongdoing?" and he was really straight faced, like for real, we shouldn't expect the media to comment on how the media operates-- that would be a conflict of interest!
From where I'm sitting -- My friend's lack of expectation for real journalism is a big part of what's wrong with media.
Ippy, the problem is it's still the same story of the day no matter which you watch. Everyone is talking about what the big media wants to report on. Other big stories are going uncovered. The only reason the DS version is more informative is because Stewart dissects some of their bullshit spin for us.
I can be more informed reading one of Cain's threads here than I would be from a month of network news and the Daily Show.
---
Wow, Cram, so your friend not only expects the media to be totally corrupt and doesn't see anything wrong with it, but he is surprised that someone would have a problem with media corruption and would expect the media to be otherwise.
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on September 19, 2011, 09:44:32 PM
Ippy, the problem is it's still the same story of the day no matter which you watch. Everyone is talking about what the big media wants to report on. Other big stories are going uncovered. The only reason the DS version is more informative is because Stewart dissects some of their bullshit spin for us.
The responsibility for the dumbing down of the news media isn't just on "big media" --- market demand is more important. "Demand" makes it sound more dramatic than just changing the channel or buying a different newspaper or clicking a different link, but that's what it comes down to. The mainstream media is just serving up the pap that our increasingly uneducated and financially squeezed populace ordered.
Quote from: Iptuous on September 19, 2011, 07:43:29 PM
What i mean to say is that, despite intentions, the daily show does, in fact, tell you what the news stories of the day are.
the point is, if they can't make a joke about something of medium importance they'll just skip it.
there's no expectation that they cover everything. it's just if something's really big they should probably cover it, or people will think "hey did they just ignore that".
is all true.
i guess the only thing that i think is usually dismissed that i think shouldn't be is the notion that the ds doesn't actually contribute to the news cycle. i think it does add to it by debullshitting it a bit. so in that limited sense, it has added news value to the system and should be considered 'real'....
I dunno. perhaps i'm wrong, but i think it's a significant alteration to the news landscape, and being a humorous and satirical addition, i think it's extra fabulous.
Quote from: Net on September 19, 2011, 10:24:19 PM
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on September 19, 2011, 09:44:32 PM
Ippy, the problem is it's still the same story of the day no matter which you watch. Everyone is talking about what the big media wants to report on. Other big stories are going uncovered. The only reason the DS version is more informative is because Stewart dissects some of their bullshit spin for us.
The responsibility for the dumbing down of the news media isn't just on "big media" --- market demand is more important. "Demand" makes it sound more dramatic than just changing the channel or buying a different newspaper or clicking a different link, but that's what it comes down to. The mainstream media is just serving up the pap that our increasingly uneducated and financially squeezed populace ordered.
That's a good point. They would get closer to the truth if their viewers demanded it. But what news consumers are demanding is to be told that their opinions are correct, so they'll flip to the news channel that does the best job of confirming their opinions.
Quote from: Iptuous on September 19, 2011, 11:43:06 PM
is all true.
i guess the only thing that i think is usually dismissed that i think shouldn't be is the notion that the ds doesn't actually contribute to the news cycle. i think it does add to it by debullshitting it a bit. so in that limited sense, it has added news value to the system and should be considered 'real'....
I dunno. perhaps i'm wrong, but i think it's a significant alteration to the news landscape, and being a humorous and satirical addition, i think it's extra fabulous.
I don't think anyone said that the DS isn't a positive contribution to the news cycle.
Well, it certainly demonstrates something that right now is the first I've heard about this anywhere. :argh!:
On the plus side... I guess... is that I've been hearing a lot more of the "Why isn't anybody else actually angry?" sentiment lately. Might actually result in some genuine demonstrations of anger if we're really, really lucky.
(http://tdwgeeks.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/6f543e7e-3201-42e9-a5ec-1b5a116722ec.jpg)
(http://geeks.thedailywh.at/2011/09/20/yahoo-censoring-wall-st-protest-emails-of-the-day/)
Quote from: TheDailyWh.atEmail Censorship Allegations of the Day: Yahoo! Mail users attempting to send email about the Occupy Wall Street protests found themselves blocked today, with a message saying, "Your message was not sent. Suspicious activity has been detected on your account."
Yahoo! acknowledged blocking emails containing "occupywallst.org," but claims it was a problem with their spam filters that is now resolved. Some accounts may still be blocked from sending the messages for right now, due to residual delays.
Yahoo! still hasn't explained how the website was added to its spam filters in the first place. As ThinkProgress.org pointed out, messages about other political, websites like AmericansforProsperity.org and TeaPartyPatriots.org weren't being blocked.
If a sudden rush of the same link or even the same email containing a link gets sent around enough times it gets automatically added to the spam pile, thats why you never get spam with the good services, they are quick to pick up on it.
Reasonable and informed is no way to go through life, Faust.
Quote from: Faust on September 21, 2011, 08:46:44 AM
If a sudden rush of the same link or even the same email containing a link gets sent around enough times it gets automatically added to the spam pile, thats why you never get spam with the good services, they are quick to pick up on it.
That would make sense, except I never heard of this occurring with other events and websites that must have been mailed around a lot as well.
Additionally, if this were possible, anyone could practically censor any type of link simply by spamming it all over the place?
I dunno, I'm not entirely sure about there being no foul play involved here.
Just like #Wikileaks never trending on Twitter, it could be algorithms, but why do you never hear about really stupid teapartyesque causes being accidentally algorithmically censored this way?
There's other similar instances of technical "mistakes", I can't really recall right now, but I don't believe they can all be coincidental mistakes.
Or maybe this happens to teapartiers all the time but they can't figure out how to make screenshots.
Or maybe this never happens to teapartiers because it's all astroturfing and the Koch brothers don't need to use webmail accounts to "organically" advertise their shit.
"algorithmic censorship"
wow, that's a new one
fucking LOVE this decade
Quote from: Cramulus on September 21, 2011, 02:32:36 PM
"algorithmic censorship"
wow, that's a new one
fucking LOVE this decade
It's just the machines' way of getting back at us for CAPTCHAs, you know? :)
Hustle, yeah in the long term mass withdraw won't do much,
but in the short term they will have a serious cash flow issues
and the meme encourages people to bank with credit unions
QuoteThis is the fifth communiqué from the 99 percent. We are occupying Wall Street.
On September 21st, 2011, Troy Davis, an innocent man, was murdered by the state of Georgia. Troy Davis was one of the 99 percent.
Ending capital punishment is our one demand.
On September 21st, 2011, four of our members were arrested on baseless charges.
Ending police intimidation is our one demand.
On September 21st, 2011, the richest 400 Americans owned more than half of the country's population.
Ending wealth inequality is our one demand.
On September 21st, 2011, we determined that Yahoo lied about occupywallst.org being in spam filters.
Ending corporate censorship is our one demand.
On September 21st, 2011, roughly eighty percent of Americans thought the country was on the wrong track.
Ending the modern gilded age is our one demand.
On September 21st, 2011, roughly 15% of Americans approved of the job Congress was doing.
Ending political corruption is our one demand.
On September 21st, 2011, roughly one sixth of Americans did not have work.
Ending joblessness is our one demand.
On September 21st, 2011, roughly one sixth of America lived in poverty.
Ending poverty is our one demand.
On September 21st, 2011, roughly fifty million Americans were without health insurance.
Ending health-profiteering is our one demand.
On September 21st, 2011, America had military bases in around one hundred and thirty out of one hundred and sixty-five countries.
Ending American imperialism is our one demand.
On September 21st, 2011, America was at war with the world.
Ending war is our one demand.
Quote from: Triple Zero on September 19, 2011, 10:45:42 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 19, 2011, 01:50:46 AM
Quote from: Luna on September 18, 2011, 10:13:36 AM
Yep. People are being cranky that the protest wasn't reported.
http://www.politicususa.com/en/media-blackout-us-day-of-rage
HAHAHA!
Dumbfucks. What the hell were they expecting.
I swear to God, this fucking country is RETARDED. It's like everyone married their first cousin, or drank while pregnant or some shit.
I checked the news here.
3 big newspapers ignored it. One big mainstream news website and the public TV news broadcasting website both did report it. Not very in-depth or anything, but it was mentioned.
When I see that photo, I kinda get the feeling of a nation that's pretty much forgotten how to work up a proper RAGE and ... well, they're trying, going through the movements, seeing if maybe it'll come back to them, you know?
Sorry but isn't dumping or laughing at these people just as bad as when some disagreed with the "perry/gay" campaign? I mean sure, it's not as sharp and doesn't carry a punch like your ideas, but at least these people are doing something, right? They're not just posting about it on a website, but they actually printed off a huge banner (which indeed is laughably bad) and went onto the streets.
So what if they forgot how to do a proper protest? Should you laugh at them for being pathetic or should you encourage them, cheer them on, see if they can take yet another step to proper real rage?
And one thing, maybe it doesn't do *much*, this RL protest, but I walked around on Wall Street this summer, and there's Important People With Expensive Suits And Expensive Watches walking around all over the place. If you actually get a crowd there and have them chant some vaguely threatening things (free speech, right? "EAT THE RICH! EAT THE RICH! EAT THE RICH!") would make them pretty damn uncomfortable, no?
A counterprotest would be funny, and perhaps more effective, but not the sort that goes "these guys are wrong about their positions!" sort of counterprotest, but rather a "look at these ineffective fucks and their silly signs! Look at their so called 'rage'! Look at these tired fucking hippies not disrupting anything with their protests!" type of counterprotest.
OOooooh you mean dressing up as businessmen with expensive watches, arrive at the scene emerging from black chauffeured shiny cars, step up to them and TAUNT THEM for being ineffective tired fucking hippies? :lulz:
I dunno, maybe that'll work up their rage a bit?
Quote from: Triple Zero on September 23, 2011, 10:31:56 AM
OOooooh you mean dressing up as businessmen with expensive watches, arrive at the scene emerging from black chauffeured shiny cars, step up to them and TAUNT THEM for being ineffective tired fucking hippies? :lulz:
I dunno, maybe that'll work up their rage a bit?
That's what I'm thinking :evil:
Nothing to work you up more than to taunt someone in public.
They'd be more likely to take it to places of economic activity at that point too. Kinda like, "ok, they're going to step on our turf, let's step on theirs"
Quote from: Brian Fnord on September 23, 2011, 07:37:27 AM
QuoteThis is the fifth communiqué from the 99 percent. We are occupying Wall Street.
On September 21st, 2011, Troy Davis, an innocent man, was murdered by the state of Georgia. Troy Davis was one of the 99 percent.
Ending capital punishment is our one demand.
On September 21st, 2011, four of our members were arrested on baseless charges.
Ending police intimidation is our one demand.
On September 21st, 2011, the richest 400 Americans owned more than half of the country's population.
Ending wealth inequality is our one demand.
On September 21st, 2011, we determined that Yahoo lied about occupywallst.org being in spam filters.
Ending corporate censorship is our one demand.
On September 21st, 2011, roughly eighty percent of Americans thought the country was on the wrong track.
Ending the modern gilded age is our one demand.
On September 21st, 2011, roughly 15% of Americans approved of the job Congress was doing.
Ending political corruption is our one demand.
On September 21st, 2011, roughly one sixth of Americans did not have work.
Ending joblessness is our one demand.
On September 21st, 2011, roughly one sixth of America lived in poverty.
Ending poverty is our one demand.
On September 21st, 2011, roughly fifty million Americans were without health insurance.
Ending health-profiteering is our one demand.
On September 21st, 2011, America had military bases in around one hundred and thirty out of one hundred and sixty-five countries.
Ending American imperialism is our one demand.
On September 21st, 2011, America was at war with the world.
Ending war is our one demand.
Apparently, 99%ers can't count.
Quote from: Luna on September 23, 2011, 10:42:26 AM
Quote from: Brian Fnord on September 23, 2011, 07:37:27 AM
QuoteThis is the fifth communiqué from the 99 percent. We are occupying Wall Street.
On September 21st, 2011, Troy Davis, an innocent man, was murdered by the state of Georgia. Troy Davis was one of the 99 percent.
Ending capital punishment is our one demand.
On September 21st, 2011, four of our members were arrested on baseless charges.
Ending police intimidation is our one demand.
On September 21st, 2011, the richest 400 Americans owned more than half of the country's population.
Ending wealth inequality is our one demand.
On September 21st, 2011, we determined that Yahoo lied about occupywallst.org being in spam filters.
Ending corporate censorship is our one demand.
On September 21st, 2011, roughly eighty percent of Americans thought the country was on the wrong track.
Ending the modern gilded age is our one demand.
On September 21st, 2011, roughly 15% of Americans approved of the job Congress was doing.
Ending political corruption is our one demand.
On September 21st, 2011, roughly one sixth of Americans did not have work.
Ending joblessness is our one demand.
On September 21st, 2011, roughly one sixth of America lived in poverty.
Ending poverty is our one demand.
On September 21st, 2011, roughly fifty million Americans were without health insurance.
Ending health-profiteering is our one demand.
On September 21st, 2011, America had military bases in around one hundred and thirty out of one hundred and sixty-five countries.
Ending American imperialism is our one demand.
On September 21st, 2011, America was at war with the world.
Ending war is our one demand.
Apparently, 99%ers can't count.
Maybe it's sort of like, "Our one demand is ending the problems! Here's some bulletpoints to elaborate!"
Sounds more like they're not SERIOUS enough about having a good time.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 19, 2011, 01:50:46 AM
Quote from: Luna on September 18, 2011, 10:13:36 AM
Yep. People are being cranky that the protest wasn't reported.
http://www.politicususa.com/en/media-blackout-us-day-of-rage
HAHAHA!
Dumbfucks. What the hell were they expecting.
I swear to God, this fucking country is RETARDED. It's like everyone married their first cousin, or drank while pregnant or some shit.
"The media is corporate owned! Lets go protest!"
Two hours later
"Hey, the corporate owned media whose paymasters we are protesting against aren't reporting on us. WTF man?"
:lulz:
I thought the one demand was a play on words, since they label themselfs 99%ers they are making demands for the 1%ers
Still I would have wanted fed chairmen to resign...
A counterprotest would be funny, and perhaps more effective
Simpsons did it... I mean someone protesting SF's bart held
up a sign saying he supported the officers only to go on a mild troll about how nice it is to have officers that enforce the laws...
can't find the news clip atm but that's trolling media not "smelly hippies"
but found this... (http://aworldbeyondborders.com/2011/09/16/police-state-vs-democracy-culture-jamming-as-creative-resistance-opbart/)
Might help if I name the correct protest...
Shocking!! Man explains to WFTV News why he loves the Orlando Police Department (http://youtu.be/1pJuedzzLXE)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moD2JnGTToA
^Ah, its never a proper protest until someone gets maced.
Well, at least they got off of their asses and into the streets. I had thought this country was even beyond that at this point.
Don't they deserve a little credit for that?
No, not really.
Meaningless activity without strategy is actually worse than no activity at all. It reduces the currency of mass political acts, as each one fails to achieve their objective, it reduces the possibility of people believing any future action can have an effect.
The CoN would prefer a flurry of activity. What were these idiots doing, while they were preparing maps, setting up websites and using social networking to "raise awareness"? Well, they weren't actually sitting down and thinking about how they would achieve their goals, in a realizable, step-by-step manner, meeting objectives to further an overall conclusion. The CoN speaks in terms of constant action, being seen to be acting, being present, being engaged in something at all times. In fact, this is the exact condition of how the economic crisis is framed. No time for debate, to think through the options - the need to act is too great.
I'd rather sit down for a year or two, think about nothing else, then strike decisively.
Quote from: Cain on September 25, 2011, 12:10:40 AM
No, not really.
Meaningless activity without strategy is actually worse than no activity at all. It reduces the currency of mass political acts, as each one fails to achieve their objective, it reduces the possibility of people believing any future action can have an effect.
The CoN would prefer a flurry of activity. What were these idiots doing, while they were preparing maps, setting up websites and using social networking to "raise awareness"? Well, they weren't actually sitting down and thinking about how they would achieve their goals, in a realizable, step-by-step manner, meeting objectives to further an overall conclusion. The CoN speaks in terms of constant action, being seen to be acting, being present, being engaged in something at all times. In fact, this is the exact condition of how the economic crisis is framed. No time for debate, to think through the options - the need to act is too great.
I'd rather sit down for a year or two, think about nothing else, then strike decisively.
I guess this makes sense. I just don't get why they aren't angry.
(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa417/DoktorHowl/fat_people_on_scooters_6.jpg)
OGOD OGOD...What has been SEEN cannot be UNSEEN. :x
Quote from: Jenne on September 25, 2011, 01:14:51 AM
OGOD OGOD...What has been SEEN cannot be UNSEEN. :x
I don't see what the problem is. We are a nation of Rugged Individualists
TM. Or so I am told.
I actually shivered. I mean, I really actually physically just shivered.
(http://i.imgur.com/i1mcd.jpg)
Uh, yeah. Nice job at exposing the alienation inherent in the system, or something. I hope your "Day of Rage" isn't going to intefere with your attempts to attend the next Phish concert, you bunch of Trustafarian morons.
Quote from: Cain on September 26, 2011, 09:56:33 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/i1mcd.jpg)
Uh, yeah. Nice job at exposing the alienation inherent in the system, or something. I hope your "Day of Rage" isn't going to intefere with your attempts to attend the next Phish concert, you bunch of Trustafarian morons.
:lulz:
I like how they managed to get the one photo with the collar+tie guy (not even that expensive looking, afaict) looking somewhat embarrassed about the crazy idiots ... drumming ... and ... painting a plaster arm?? :?
Fukcing hell imagine how AWESOME it would be to have a bunch of non-hippies show up in pressed office suits and big important watches walking up to the hippies, out-ridiculousing them (cause the counter-protesters would have a sense of humour) and then ... I dunno. It'd be hilarious.
Oh, I know what! You'd need to play it straight and then play it TO THE WALL.
First you're the group of business men trying to shoo away the hippies. Like you just want to get to work and they really should stop occupying the street like that and such. This is what they want, so now you got their attention and they'll start ummm well a few of them are bound to start preaching at you or something.
Then a slightly unlikely amount of moar business men arrive. Yell at eachother for a while. Mention Freedom of Speech at least as much as they do. Mention other Amendments, regardless if they are relevant.
Then you open the suitcases.
Clipboards click together and form signs:
TURN ON, TUNE IN, AND BAIL OUT
MAKE MONEY, NOT WAR
MARKETS WANT TO BE FREE
WHAT IF THEY GAVE A FUCK AND NO ONE CAME
THESE COLORS DO RUN THE WORLD
BONUS THE BOMB
POWER TO THE CEO
GIVE CAPITALISM A CHANCE
FIGHTING FOR PEACE IS LIKE ANY GOOD BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY
SAVE THE WAR
... etc
:mittens:
:spittake:
heard a 3-minute article on the protests on NPR this morning
there were about 3 sentences covering what the protests were about.
then they talked about how people are getting busted for setting up tents and sleeping bags in a public park.
they interviewed the company that owns the park that's being used for the protest, they emphasized the "no tents" rule.
The police had no comment.
Then they got a quote from Mayor Bloomberg. He said (paraphrasing) "If we continue to vilify the banks, they won't give out loans, so companies won't expand, and unemployment will continue to rise."
I almost ripped my steering wheel off. That's seriously his response? "We have to be nice to the banks, they can eat us." and it's also "the banks aren't to blame for unemployment - they just respond to what we do! If unemployment goes up, it's the protestor's fault."
:punchballs:
Hurt a bank's fee-fees = cause the next Great Depression
Also, banks are lending to businesses again? Has anyone informed these businesses of that?
I'm actually hearing some rage from my new yorker friends for a change
They're worked up about these two girls who got maced at the protest the other day.
It wasn't like the protest had turned ugly and the cops had clamped down; this has been a nonviolent protest. The girls were behind a barricade, shouting. A cop walked up and maced them in the face. Lots of people caught it on film. People feel that this was an unprovoked level of force for a nonviolent protest that's already like 4 blocks away from the thing they're protesting.
some good photos (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimkiernan/6180592990/)
an article that summarizes the incident (http://gothamist.com/2011/09/26/anonymous_outs_nypd_officer_who_all.php)
ETA: From one of the videos, it looks like about 30 seconds before the incident, some spag rushed the line. Four cops immediately grabbed him and pinned him to the ground. His friends on the other side of the barricade began freaking out and screaming. The cops and protesters seemed to separate and things calmed down briefly before this happened. But I also wouldn't be surprised if these chicks did something stupid like push or grab a cop.
Colbert has some good commentary:
http://gawker.com/5842777/stephen-colbert-fails-to-see-point-of-occupy-wall-street-protest
And here's some indie journalism about real journalism
This woman counts the ways in which the New York Times coverage of the protests is off
here's the one sentence hook:
QuoteThis rubbernecking style of journalism is particularly dangerous right now because it amounts to criticizing a burning house for the color of its curtains.
http://www.thenation.com/blog/163626/correcting-new-york-timess-abysmal-occupy-wall-street-coverage
this quote from a protester seems to sum it up pretty well:
Quote"Many times the communal nature of things will get the actual task done quickly, but all the competing views with no defined hierarchy just reminds me of Lord of The Flies," he said.
she concludes
QuoteWhile the left loses the valuable organizational mechanism of unions, the right has gained corporate masters like the Koch brothers to disseminate millions of dollars into astroturfing campaigns to organize and destroy on their behalf. While the left makes signs, the right has already deployed troupes to scream at town hall events.
These are the kinds of massive oppositional forces activists find themselves facing these days: an incredibly oppressive police state and a corporate cash monster bearing down on them from the right. Meanwhile, their union support army is either in retreat or preoccupied fighting other battles on other fronts in Wisconsin or Ohio, or one of the other forty-eight states where anti-union legislation was introduced this year courtesy of ALEC, a front group that serves as proxy for corporate interests.
Instead of bemoaning the fact that protesters haven't arrived in matching uniforms with a coherent PowerPoint presentation, these are the issues we should be addressing.
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/salon/greenwald/~3/o22bAUizEYw/protests
QuoteIt's unsurprising that establishment media outlets have been condescending, dismissive and scornful of the ongoing protests on Wall Street. Any entity that declares itself an adversary of prevailing institutional power is going to be viewed with hostility by establishment-serving institutions and their loyalists. That's just the nature of protests that take place outside approved channels, an inevitable by-product of disruptive dissent: those who are most vested in safeguarding and legitimizing establishment prerogatives (which, by definition, includes establishment media outlets) are going to be hostile to those challenges. As the virtually universal disdain in these same circles for WikiLeaks (and, before that, for the Iraq War protests) demonstrated: the more effectively adversarial it is, the more establishment hostility it's going to provoke.
Nor is it surprising that much of the most vocal criticisms of the Wall Street protests has come from some self-identified progressives, who one might think would be instinctively sympathetic to the substantive message of the protesters. In an excellent analysis entitled "Why Establishment Media & the Power Elite Loathe Occupy Wall Street," Kevin Gosztola chronicles how many of the most scornful criticisms have come from Democratic partisans who -- like the politicians to whom they devote their fealty -- feign populist opposition to Wall Street for political gain.
Some of this anti-protest posturing is just the all-too-familiar New-Republic-ish eagerness to prove one's own Seriousness by castigating anyone to the left of, say, Dianne Feinstein or John Kerry; for such individuals, multi-term, pro-Iraq-War Democratic Senator-plutocrats define the outermost left-wing limit of respectability. Also at play is the jingoistic notion that street protests are valid in Those Bad Countries but not in free, democratic America.
A siginificant aspect of this progressive disdain is grounded in the belief that the only valid form of political activism is support for Democratic Party candidates, and a corresponding desire to undermine anything that distracts from that goal. Indeed, the loyalists of both parties have an interest in marginalizing anything that might serve as a vehicle for activism outside of fealty to one of the two parties (Fox News' firing of Glenn Beck was almost certainly motivated by his frequent deviation from the GOP party-line orthodoxy which Fox exists to foster).
The very idea that one can effectively battle Wall Street's corruption and control by working for the Democratic Party is absurd on its face: Wall Street's favorite candidate in 2008 was Barack Obama, whose administration -- led by a Wall Street White House Chief of Staff and Wall-Street-subservient Treasury Secretary and filled to the brim with Goldman Sachs officials -- is now working hard to protect bankers from meaningful accountability (and though he's behind Wall Street's own Mitt Romney in the Wall Street cash sweepstakes this year, Obama is still doing well); one of Wall Street's most faithful servants is Chuck Schumer, the money man of the Democratic Party; and the second-ranking Senate Democrat acknowledged -- when Democrats controlled the Congress -- that the owners of Congress are bankers. There are individuals who impressively rail against the crony capitalism and corporatism that sustains Wall Street's power, but they're no match for the party apparatus that remains fully owned and controlled by it.
Nothing to argue with there.
I still maintain the protest was a failure, for the reasons I gave earlier. But I definitely think it's a step up from what the Democratic Party are doing (not hard).
(I'd also argue Greenwald's use of
jingoistic is misplaced, in this piece. I would instead use
condescending and paternalistic notion).
Is there a way to combine 000s 'at least they're doing something' with Cain's 'Activist fatigue kills causes without a real game plan'.
Is there a way to transform the ideology of these kinds of events so that participants view themselves as essentially 'in training' or 'developing networks'.
Discordians get together and throw up posters etc without falling into a failure of faith because while we might be working towards ideology, we have rational outcomes for our events, even if some of us are in pursuit of larger goals.
I have to say, I'm slightly impressed that the protests are still going on. I was thinking it would last a weekend, at most.
And there's some talk that Boston will be doing something similar soon.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 29, 2011, 02:40:32 PM
I have to say, I'm slightly impressed that the protests are still going on. I was thinking it would last a weekend, at most.
And there's some talk that Boston will be doing something similar soon.
I'll invest in a pair of goggles. Maybe a jock strap.
Sorry, this is too tragically unaware for me to not sneer at:
(http://i.imgur.com/pNSmA.jpg)
He's at an anti-corporate protest with his Happy Meal.
people are apparently also ordering online pizza to support the protestors ... there's one pizza place near there getting VERY rich off this :)
I heard they asked for no more pizzas!
also they made a special pizza on the menu for the protestors.
Looking through pictures of the protests, I'm actually noticing a lot of obese, white people playing with their iPhones and expensive cameras.
Just sayin'.
I mean, compare with Chile, where their week of rage has included numerous union strikes, setting up of barricades, pitched battles with police, protestors from all kinds of socio-economic backgrounds and so on. And just to add to the fun, the head of student union in the country is a photogenic Communist lady, who has been very outspoken (and good at getting media coverage) for the protests.
iPhones are the opiate of the masses like religion, TV, and actual opium can only dream of.
Oh, my, goodness.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-Providence/225025290889691
They're gonna have one in Providence, this weekend.
QuoteThe organizing theme, such as it is, centers on the influence of large corporations in shaping government policy. Many here blame the paralysis in Washington on a campaign finance system run amok. In that sense, the Occupy Wall Street movement seeks to "take back the country" lets do the same
a meeting will be hosted on Saturday at 6pm
I may have to take a wander downtown and see if there's any idiocy to be photographed.
could this be the pre-conscious stirring of the left wing grassroots activist movement? I've always wondered if there will be a liberal answer to the tea party.
the day of rage didn't shut down wall street -- but if it successfully dominoes into other protests, I would consider that a type of success. Eventually one of them will have the chutzpah to state a goal, and accomplish it.
Apparently they are planning a similar demo in San Fransisco also.
http://www.occupytogether.org/
All the cities planning on getting in on the action are located on this link above.
Quote from: Cramulus on September 30, 2011, 03:34:59 PM
could this be the pre-conscious stirring of the left wing grassroots activist movement? I've always wondered if there will be a liberal answer to the tea party.
the day of rage didn't shut down wall street -- but if it successfully dominoes into other protests, I would consider that a type of success. Eventually one of them will have the chutzpah to state a goal, and accomplish it.
Rumors are that a couple of big unions have joined as well. An humble beginning, but a beginning.
Of course the unions would be pitching in.
Can't have an independent, left-wing friendly movement in the USA. No sir, the unions have to be involved.
Because, of course, the unions have done so well in advancing their agenda up to now :lol:
I saw a flyer near work for one in Boston.
:Checks internet:
Oh fuk, it starts at 6:00. Anyone not intending on being there, avoid South Station.
Via: hxxp://www.occupytogether.org/
MIDWEST
Occupy Chicago
Occupy Cincinnati
Occupy Cleveland
Occupy Columbus, OH
Occupy Evansville
Occupy Indiana
Occupy Indianapolis
Occupy Kansas City
Occupy Michigan
Occupy Minnesota
Occupy OKC
Occupy Omaha
Occupy OSU (Stillwater)
Occupy St. Louis
Occupy Tulsa
Occupy Wisconsin
Occupy Youngstown
NORTHEAST
Occupy Albany
Occupy Binghamton
Occupy Boston
Occupy D.C.
Occupy Hartford, CT
Occupy Maine
Occupy New Haven
Occupy New Jersey
Occupy Norfolk, VA
Occupy Philadelphia
Occupy Pittsburgh
Occupy Providence, RI
Occupy Rochester
Occupy Vermont
SOUTHEAST
Occupy Arkansas
Occupy Asheville
Occupy Atlanta
Occupy Birmingham, AL
Occupy Charlotte
Occupy Chattanooga
Occupy Clarksville, TN
Occupy Columbia, SC
Occupy Columbus, GA
Occupy Daytona Beach
Occupy Durham
Occupy Florence, SC
Occupy Greensboro
Occupy Jacksonville, FL
Occupy Knoxville
Occupy Lexington, KY
Occupy Louisville
Occupy Memphis
Occupy Mississippi
Occupy Nashville
Occupy New Orleans
Occupy Orlando
Occupy Pensacola
Occupy Raleigh, NC
Occupy Richmond, VA
Occupy Sarasota
Occupy Tallahassee
Occupy Tampa
Occupy Winston Salem
SOUTHWEST
Occupy Albuquerque
Occupy Austin
Occupy Dallas
Occupy Houston
Occupy Phoenix
Occupy San Antonio
Occupy Santa Fe
Occupy Tucson
WEST
Occupy Boise
Occupy Colorado Springs
Occupy Denver
Occupy Eugene
Occupy Las Vegas
Occupy Los Angeles
Occupy Napa
Occupy Olympia
Occupy Portland
Occupy Riverside
Occupy Sacramento
Occupy Salem
Occupy Salt Lake City
Occupy San Diego
Occupy San Francisco
Occupy San Jose
Occupy Santa Cruz
Occupy Seattle
Occupy Spokane
Occupy Ventura
INTERNATIONAL
Occupy Adelaide
Occupy Brisbane
OCCUPY DEN HAAG (NL)
Occupy Finland
Occupy Frankfurt Germany
Occupy Hamburg Germany
Occupy Manchester | March on the Tory Party Conference
Occupy Melbourne Australia
Occupy Montreal
Occupy Perth
Occupy the London Stock Exchange
Occupy Toronto Market Exchange
Occupy Vancouver
I'm going to go to Occupy Tampa 10-6. For shits and grins.
:evil:
Yeah Occupy Rochester is meeting tomorrow, probably for some preliminary planning. I figure why not check it out. Plus I got a couple hundred bizarro flyers for nonexistent support groups, events, and causes I've been leaving on the bulletin boards all over school, stuff like "rochester paper hat enthusiasts present the second annual erotic origami seminar" or "join our coalition to end the unjust American occupation of Disneyland" so I'm hoping I can at least throw some shit up on some bus stops if I get really bored. Oh, and Emily Good is attending, I think, the woman who was arrested here recently for videotaping the police while they were making an arrest (an unjustified one, as it happened, based on racial profiling) The last time the cops here heard about her getting together with other activists, they actually sent out a bunch of squad cars and cops went out on the street, pulled out rulers and measured the distance between the curb and people's cars in front of their meeting place. They wrote dozens of tickets. I guess we suck at parking. And the cops suck at not sucking. And I suck at life. But I will bring my camera TOMORROW! Just in case anybody gets arrested. Because we can do that, dammit.
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on September 30, 2011, 07:39:51 PM
I saw a flyer near work for one in Boston.
:Checks internet:
Oh fuk, it starts at 6:00. Anyone not intending on being there, avoid South Station.
I would actually attend except... you know... wedding in 10 hours
Twid,
Childhood is thoroughly dead
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15140671
QuoteMore than 700 people from the Occupy Wall Street protest movement have been arrested on New York's City's Brooklyn Bridge, police say.
They were part of a larger group crossing the bridge from Manhattan, where they have been camped out near Wall Street for two weeks.
Some entered the bridge's roadway and were met by a large police presence and detained, most for disorderly conduct.
The loosely-organised group is protesting against corporate greed.
They say they are defending 99% of the US population against the wealthiest 1%.
Occupy Wall Street called for 20,000 people to "flood into lower Manhattan" on 17 September and remain there for "a few months".
Several hundred remain camped at Zuccotti Park, a privately owned area of land not far from Wall Street.
A police spokesman quoted by Reuters said the arrests came "after multiple warnings by police were given to protesters to stay on the pedestrian walkway".
"Some complied and took the walkway without being arrested. Others locked arms and proceeded on the Brooklyn-bound vehicular roadway. The latter were arrested," the spokesman said.
Many were released again shortly afterwards, police said.
Some of the protesters said police had allowed them on to the roadway and were escorting them across when they were surrounded and the arrests began.
Quote from: Cain on October 02, 2011, 10:27:01 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15140671
QuoteMore than 700 people from the Occupy Wall Street protest movement have been arrested on New York's City's Brooklyn Bridge, police say.
They were part of a larger group crossing the bridge from Manhattan, where they have been camped out near Wall Street for two weeks.
Some entered the bridge's roadway and were met by a large police presence and detained, most for disorderly conduct.
The loosely-organised group is protesting against corporate greed.
They say they are defending 99% of the US population against the wealthiest 1%.
Occupy Wall Street called for 20,000 people to "flood into lower Manhattan" on 17 September and remain there for "a few months".
Several hundred remain camped at Zuccotti Park, a privately owned area of land not far from Wall Street.
A police spokesman quoted by Reuters said the arrests came "after multiple warnings by police were given to protesters to stay on the pedestrian walkway".
"Some complied and took the walkway without being arrested. Others locked arms and proceeded on the Brooklyn-bound vehicular roadway. The latter were arrested," the spokesman said.
Many were released again shortly afterwards, police said.
Some of the protesters said police had allowed them on to the roadway and were escorting them across when they were surrounded and the arrests began.
Thanks, Cain, interesting to see the angle it's reported from. CNN has it with a different flavor:
http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/01/business/wall-street-protests/index.html?hpt=us_c2
QuotePolice have issued tickets to hundreds of protesters who occupied an iconic New York bridge during demonstrations against the nation's financial system.
The "Occupy Wall Street" protesters extended their rally to Brooklyn Bridge, where they were ticketed and summoned for blocking the roadway, authorities said late Saturday.
Protesters banged drums and chanted, "the whole world is watching" as police moved in.
"Over 700 summonses and desk appearance tickets have been issued in connection with the demonstration on the Brooklyn Bridge ... after multiple warnings by police were given to protesters to stay on the pedestrian walkway," said Paul J. Browne, deputy commissioner for the New York City Police Department.
Browne said authorities had warned protesters they would be arrested if they occupied the roadway.
"Some complied and took the walkway without being arrested," he said.
According to the article, bridge traffic was shut down for "several hours." If I were driving, and got stuck in that, whether I agreed with the protests or not, I'd be at least mildly annoyed, I'd think.
Don't expect this to be reported, though
http://www.jpmorganchase.com/corporate/Home/article/ny-13.htm?TB_iframe=true&height=580&width=850
QuoteJPMorgan Chase recently donated an unprecedented $4.6 million to the New York City Police Foundation. The gift was the largest in the history of the foundation and will enable the New York City Police Department to strengthen security in the Big Apple. The money will pay for 1,000 new patrol car laptops, as well as security monitoring software in the NYPD's main data center.
New York City Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly sent CEO and Chairman Jamie Dimon a note expressing "profound gratitude" for the company's donation.
"These officers put their lives on the line every day to keep us safe," Dimon said. "We're incredibly proud to help them build this program and let them know how much we value their hard work."
I'm sure this isnt just due to the protests and is part of a wider "understanding" between Wall Street and the NYPD (how many bankers get busted for excessive use of hookers and blow, for example? Yet, we all know they're doing it. In the documentary,
Inside Job, it was even claimed escorts were invoiced directly to the banks). And if J. P. Morgan are giving this much, how much are other banks, investment groups etc also giving? The total NYPD budget is $4 billion, so this is only 1% of their whole funding taken care of, but similar donations from even only four other groups or individuals would mean 5% of their budget is paid directly by Wall Street.
I just read about this in the context of the NYTimes changing their writeup 20 minutes after publishing to put the blame on the protestors:
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/10/01/new-york-times-blatantly-edits-article-about-occupy-wall-street-to-protect-police-image/
(yes the site itself is a bit hysterical)
Hah, I just posted a thread looking for opinions on the occupy everywhere movement. I should have checked this thread first.
I didn't really realize they were two different things. I assumed there were people on DoR that stuck around to occupy Wallstreet, no?
Or did they go home first and think "hey that didn't work, we should go BACK, and then NOT go home again"
(because that would be kind of silly)
(nothing wrong with silly, of course)
Yeah, I read that site. Interesting 'reports from the ground' about the police closing off the bridge in the first place, and then directing the mass of people onto the roadway section. I'm waiting on video, hopefully we'll get a better idea of what actually happened...
Quote from: Telarus on October 02, 2011, 08:02:42 PM
Yeah, I read that site. Interesting 'reports from the ground' about the police closing off the bridge in the first place, and then directing the mass of people onto the roadway section. I'm waiting on video, hopefully we'll get a better idea of what actually happened...
The only video I've seen, posted by people who said, "the police led us onto the bridge" cuts off before anybody sets foot on the bridge.
Quote from: Cain on October 02, 2011, 01:14:23 PM
Don't expect this to be reported, though
http://www.jpmorganchase.com/corporate/Home/article/ny-13.htm?TB_iframe=true&height=580&width=850
QuoteJPMorgan Chase recently donated an unprecedented $4.6 million to the New York City Police Foundation. The gift was the largest in the history of the foundation and will enable the New York City Police Department to strengthen security in the Big Apple. The money will pay for 1,000 new patrol car laptops, as well as security monitoring software in the NYPD's main data center.
New York City Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly sent CEO and Chairman Jamie Dimon a note expressing "profound gratitude" for the company's donation.
"These officers put their lives on the line every day to keep us safe," Dimon said. "We're incredibly proud to help them build this program and let them know how much we value their hard work."
I'm sure this isnt just due to the protests and is part of a wider "understanding" between Wall Street and the NYPD (how many bankers get busted for excessive use of hookers and blow, for example? Yet, we all know they're doing it. In the documentary, Inside Job, it was even claimed escorts were invoiced directly to the banks). And if J. P. Morgan are giving this much, how much are other banks, investment groups etc also giving? The total NYPD budget is $4 billion, so this is only 1% of their whole funding taken care of, but similar donations from even only four other groups or individuals would mean 5% of their budget is paid directly by Wall Street.
I have GOT to watch that. I think it's still showing on cable atm.