http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x697zEFTpuI
Commercial for the National Italian American Foundation.
This is probably ill-advised do the number of East Coast spags who have some ancestors from Pizzaland, but WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK?????????
I am staying on this fucking coast away from that brand of weirdness.
Your heritage, man!
CELEBRATE IT. ENJOY IT. BE PROUD OF SOMETHING IN WHICH YOU HAD NO CHOICE AND STOPPED RESEARCHING WHEN IT BECAME INCONVENIENT!
YOU EARNED IT!
Dude, I keep trying to tell you.
Remember as an American you're better than everyone else in the world.
As an Italian American you're better than everyone else in America!
:lulz:
Quote from: Net on September 19, 2011, 11:17:59 AM
Your heritage, man!
CELEBRATE IT. ENJOY IT. BE PROUD OF SOMETHING IN WHICH YOU HAD NO CHOICE AND STOPPED RESEARCHING WHEN IT BECAME INCONVENIENT!
YOU EARNED IT!
THAT is an awesome way to put a lot of that bullshit.
Though I have to say I do enjoy some of it--more as an outsider seeing how one group represents themselves, rather than as an insider revelling in the culture I grew up in, etc.
Quote from: PopeTom on September 19, 2011, 07:10:58 PM
Remember as an American you're better than everyone else in the world.
As an Italian American you're better than everyone else in America!
1/8 of me is definitely on board with that.
I loved her statement that she didn't think she would have achieved her goals if she hadn't been Italian
because clearly, her relatively arbitrary genetic makeup is what determined her motivation and ability to pursue accomplishments!
Quote from: Nigel on September 19, 2011, 07:26:52 PM
I loved her statement that she didn't think she would have achieved her goals if she hadn't been Italian
because clearly, her relatively arbitrary genetic makeup is what determined her motivation and ability to pursue accomplishments!
Maybe her goals were to grow 3" of hair on her arms and wear a sweaty black dress. :)
Hey, if the wench can make a good gravy, that's about all the "Italian ancestry's" good deeds I could give a shit about.
*smacks lips* A good Bolognese goes a long way in my book.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 19, 2011, 07:28:38 PM
Quote from: Nigel on September 19, 2011, 07:26:52 PM
I loved her statement that she didn't think she would have achieved her goals if she hadn't been Italian
because clearly, her relatively arbitrary genetic makeup is what determined her motivation and ability to pursue accomplishments!
Maybe her goals were to grow 3" of hair on her arms and wear a sweaty black dress. :)
Oh shit! Tea out the nose! Abort mission! :lol:
Italians ain't white.
They's Meta-terrarium.
You know...
I see nothing wrong with that video clip.
8)
I gotta admit that ethnic pride always weirds me out a little
My ancestors were scottish/english/czech, but I haven't inherited any of their traditions / attitudes / cultural identity. Maybe it's cause my family's been in the united states since before there were states (we're not a mayflower family, but we're close).
When I was growing up, my friends all had these bizarre ethnic traditions that they seemed so proud of. WE'RE ITALIAN SO WE TALKA LIKA THIS. WE IRISH LOVE TO GET DRUNK AND SAD BY NOON. etc etc... I always felt like I was missing out on something. The teacher would ask, "Where's your family from?" and I'd be like, "Connecticut?"
Quote from: Cramulus on September 19, 2011, 08:03:02 PM
I gotta admit that ethnic pride always weirds me out a little
My ancestors were scottish/english/czech, but I haven't inherited any of their traditions / attitudes / cultural identity. Maybe it's cause my family's been in the united states since before there were states (we're not a mayflower family, but we're close).
When I was growing up, my friends all had these bizarre ethnic traditions that they seemed so proud of. WE'RE ITALIAN SO WE TALKA LIKA THIS. WE IRISH LOVE TO GET DRUNK AND SAD BY NOON. etc etc... I always felt like I was missing out on something. The teacher would ask, "Where's your family from?" and I'd be like, "Connecticut?"
I think that cultural celebration/pride (depending on how you define pride) is neat and valuable. I'm not all that keen on homogeneity. And when people are still experiencing serious adverse affects from centuries of oppression, stimulating a lacking sense of pride in culture and accomplishments has a positive effect on a troubled population. But that particular video was just kind of bizarre. You want to show pride in your cultural heritage? Then talk about something that matters, not just "I'm really proud of being x heritage and I wouldn't be nearly as awesome if I wasn't x heritage".
Tell a story. Talk about an ancestor who inspired you. Show an artifact or a skill that is intrinsically, distinctly linked to your heritage. Engage the audience in some way besides "Hurrr I'm proud to be Italian".
I'm Italian. I can't really do anything about it, but heck, I am. My family history is sprinkled with the mafia, and I know that the Sicilian side originally came from Castile in the 15th century because of our name alone, but that's all I can find, because Italian ancestral history is very difficult to trace due to bad record keeping pre-unification, and misspellings and such in immigration records here in the states.
I know nothing about my Irish ancestry. Only that we're from County Wexford, left during the famine, and may have been protestant rather than Catholic. My mom never really asked her mom's family much, because they didn't get along, and were unfortunately uneducated Midwestern settlers in Arkansas.
The English side I got the best trace going back to the Oakleys being Norman. So I'm not even English on that line, I'm French Norse a motherfucking Viking when all is said and done (though Dutch married in there for a bit). However, they did maintain the border between England and Wales for like, 300-400 years, and anyone who oppresses the Welsh is obviously awesome.
I AM A GODDAMNED VIKING, LOL
I GONNA MAKE A COMMERCIAL SAYING SOME BULLFUCK LIKE I COULDN'T MAKE BEADS FOR SHIT IF I WASN'T A VIKING.
Having German and Greek heritage I try to keep my cultural traditions alive by forcing my way into the homes of other Americans with European heritage (but not English or Russian) and insisting they pay off my overdue credit card bills.
Quote from: PopeTom on September 19, 2011, 10:06:49 PM
Having German and Greek heritage I try to keep my cultural traditions alive by forcing my way into the homes of other Americans with European heritage (but not English or Russian) and insisting they pay off my overdue credit card bills.
:lulz:
Quote from: Nigel on September 19, 2011, 08:08:32 PM
I think that cultural celebration/pride (depending on how you define pride) is neat and valuable. I'm not all that keen on homogeneity. And when people are still experiencing serious adverse affects from centuries of oppression, stimulating a lacking sense of pride in culture and accomplishments has a positive effect on a troubled population. But that particular video was just kind of bizarre. You want to show pride in your cultural heritage? Then talk about something that matters, not just "I'm really proud of being x heritage and I wouldn't be nearly as awesome if I wasn't x heritage".
Tell a story. Talk about an ancestor who inspired you. Show an artifact or a skill that is intrinsically, distinctly linked to your heritage. Engage the audience in some way besides "Hurrr I'm proud to be Italian".
I agree that cultural traditions can be an important source of meaning and value, but I find this too easily gets conflated with genetics or is displayed by the simplistic chest-thumping quality of that video and I just end up wanting to chew my tongue off and hurk it into their esophagus.
Why is the past few hundred years more important or more relevant than the past 10,000 or the past 100,000 for that matter? Besides, it's hard to even say where one's family may have even fit into that culture. They could have been rejected by the popular society at the time, hated the people they lived with, and disowned their own heritage. Meanwhile, I might think, oh, I'm Irish so my family must have done all this traditional bullshit, when perhaps their relationship with the predominant culture was much more antagonistic and would cringe to see me celebrating their enemies customs.
I'm curious for sure, but there's no way to tell because they're 99.9% dead and didn't write very much down.
I'm a white Native that lives on the grey clay my ancestors claimed from the sea! Farmers, most of them. Lots of history under these lands too, this city is 1000-2000 years old depending on how you count. Hard to sum it all up, but TL/DR: we're fucking awesome.
For me personally it gets annoying. I get asked randomly, "are you Irish?" when I am either wearing my uliti-kilt :? or any amount of vibrant green, to include that ridiculous tophat. My canned answer is "FUCK NO!! HOW FUCKING DARE YOU IMPLY I AM ONE OF THOSE WHISKY SWILLING POTATOE EATING PAPISTS!!!!!!" I have gotten people to apologize weeks later for asking if I was Irish. I also go with "no, do aye look Irish to ya laddie. I'm a fooking Scott ya ninny" Or "No. I'm Murrikan" and glare.
Besides we all know I am Welsh, even though I am not :lulz:
I like knowing about my ancestral cultural heritage, but I am not defined by. Tacos rate right up with bangers and mash and haggis as favorite foods, but then again, if it isn't moving and someone says it food I will probably end up cramming it into my mouth hole.
I don't like people sticking me into a rather arbitrary and worthless category because of who my ancestors are, even if it is of no detriment to me.
As an end note. A utili-kilt is not "proper" kilt and is therefore not a garment that indicates a cultural heritage.
As you've no doubt been told before, if you're wearing underwear underneath it, it's not a kilt of any sort.
Then it's a skirt. :lulz:
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on September 20, 2011, 01:05:56 AM
As you've no doubt been told before, if you're wearing underwear underneath it, it's not a kilt of any sort.
Then it's a skirt. :lulz:
:lulz:
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on September 20, 2011, 01:05:56 AM
As you've no doubt been told before, if you're wearing underwear underneath it, it's not a kilt of any sort.
Then it's a skirt. :lulz:
That's okay, if you're Welsh.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on September 20, 2011, 01:05:56 AM
As you've no doubt been told before, if you're wearing underwear underneath it, it's not a kilt of any sort.
Then it's a skirt. :lulz:
It gets called a skirt anyways. Someone even called it a kilt-skirt. And I think it weirds out the infantry privates that live in my barracks :lulz:
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 20, 2011, 01:08:16 AM
That's okay, if you're Welsh.
:crankey:
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 20, 2011, 01:08:16 AM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on September 20, 2011, 01:05:56 AM
As you've no doubt been told before, if you're wearing underwear underneath it, it's not a kilt of any sort.
Then it's a skirt. :lulz:
That's okay, if you're Welsh.
Well, if you're Welsh, there's no saving you, anyway.
Theylllllrrrrrs nnowchtwcthcing wwllyrrownng wwytth beinggglg Wwelllchtchsh.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on September 20, 2011, 01:16:38 AM
Theylllllrrrrrs nnowchtwcthcing wwllyrrownng wwytth beinggglg Wwelllchtchsh.
Hey! That's not real Welch! There's a VOWEL in there!
Quote from: Net on September 19, 2011, 11:04:07 PM
Why is the past few hundred years more important or more relevant than the past 10,000 or the past 100,000 for that matter? Besides, it's hard to even say where one's family may have even fit into that culture. They could have been rejected by the popular society at the time, hated the people they lived with, and disowned their own heritage. Meanwhile, I might think, oh, I'm Irish so my family must have done all this traditional bullshit, when perhaps their relationship with the predominant culture was much more antagonistic and would cringe to see me celebrating their enemies customs.
I'm curious for sure, but there's no way to tell because they're 99.9% dead and didn't write very much down.
'Cause most of us can write and/or records are easier to get a hold of because there hasn't been a millennium or more since they were written/the internet, as well as it being easier to produce them in large amounts.
I agree with your assessment and my Irish side's like that even now to some extent. My maternal grandmother's side remembers the name of the landlords (the Duckworths) and still hold a grudge. It's been ~160 years. I identify as Irish-American, but I think it's pretty silly to get your proverbial panties in a knot over dead people who your ancestors escaped and eventually did pretty well for themselves.
We've been pretty lucky in terms of getting our hands on records. My mother's side can trace back to France in the early 1620s (although to be honest, when there's only one Archambault family who ever immigrated, that doesn't really count) and my dad's back to Switzerland in the same time period, and I can trace pretty much everybody back at least 200 years to their region, county, or village, depending on which side (the German relatives are rather tight lipped, for some reason. There's no stigma attached to being German-American anymore).
As an European elitist, I automatically find any identity suffixed with -American to be hilarious.
I mean, every white European alive today can, theoretically, claim heritage from Charlemange. So, like, whatever.
Every European is either Celtic, Roman, Greek, Norse, Magyar, Tartar and/or Hun. More than likely some sort of combination of most of those, and have been inbred at least 4 times in their family line, which is why you don't want to talk about it.
But in reality, I just don't think that Europeans share the same interest in genealogy like Americans do. I mean, like what Trip said, his family is from "The clay", they've basically been in the Netherlands for as far back as they know, but most Americans are all transplants at one time or another. Which I think is what makes us so obsessed with it.
Quote from: Suu on September 20, 2011, 03:20:03 PMI mean, like what Trip said, his family is from "The clay", they've basically been in the Netherlands for as far back as they know my grandmother could be bothered to think about it or as far back as anyone really cared to remember that one time when they looked up the geneaology website or something
Fixed, for the true feelings my family and ancestors have always had about their heritage, ever, since the dawn of times, traditionally.
:lulz:
I'm one of the Whitest people I know, in some ways. I definitely have a life of privilege, and I was blessed with a first-rate education and an extremely functional upbringing (think Ward & June Cleaver, if June Cleaver also worked). I'm perilously close to being a "limosine liberal"1. The last time I tried to high five someone, I wound up accidentally their nose.
On the other hand - in my defense - I know what I have is based largely on the luck of being born into a well-to-do family, and I also know that I am not entitled to the life I have, or the things I want that I don't yet have. I know where my food comes from, and what it takes to make it available, and I know that the entire culture that allows me to live like this was built on great huge stacks of the bones of Blacks and Native Americans. Lastly, I don't view this joke of an Empire as having sovereignty over "lesser" peoples and nations.
1 In fact, the only thing that keeps me from being a limosine liberal is that I don't believe that all Blacks, Hispanics, etc, are good little children that just need guidance. They fall in the same behavioral patterns as White people do, and our record on "guidance" isn't really that great. It is neither needed nor desirable.
Quote from: Suu on September 20, 2011, 03:20:03 PM
Every European is either Celtic, Roman, Greek, Norse, Magyar, Tartar and/or Hun.
Oddly enough, none of those groups will take credit for the Cornish.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 20, 2011, 04:08:23 PM
Quote from: Suu on September 20, 2011, 03:20:03 PM
Every European is either Celtic, Roman, Greek, Norse, Magyar, Tartar and/or Hun.
Oddly enough, none of those groups will take credit for the Cornish.
That's because the Cornish and the Welsh sort of came into existence on their own. They materialized out of thin air around 400AD without explanation. There are documented accounts of Roman centurions in the area of what is now St. Ives seeing these horrific hairy men-beasts appear. Fortunately, the Welsh were able to be contained.
Quote from: Suu on September 20, 2011, 04:19:45 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 20, 2011, 04:08:23 PM
Quote from: Suu on September 20, 2011, 03:20:03 PM
Every European is either Celtic, Roman, Greek, Norse, Magyar, Tartar and/or Hun.
Oddly enough, none of those groups will take credit for the Cornish.
That's because the Cornish and the Welsh sort of came into existence on their own. They materialized out of thin air around 400AD without explanation. There are documented accounts of Roman centurions in the area of what is now St. Ives seeing these horrific hairy men-beasts appear. Fortunately, the Welsh were able to be contained.
Cornish awesomeness HAD to come into existence, to counter the influence of the Welsh.
Precisely, we can't let those extra consonant fuckers running freely around the island, now can we?
Quote from: Suu on September 20, 2011, 04:23:07 PM
Precisely, we can't let those extra consonant fuckers running freely around the island, now can we?
That's why my forefathers never used consonants.
"OI" <--- Cornish dictionary.
:lulz:
I just had this amazing visual of one of my Norman ancestors standing a top the motte and bailey along the border of Wales and England. A Welshman tries to cross the border, and he's met by a tennis net coming out of the ground and other obnoxious contraptions. Like Normans with baseball bats just thwacking them back across the border.
"AND STAY OUT!"
:lulz:
Quote from: Cain on September 20, 2011, 01:42:29 PM
As an European elitist, I automatically find any identity suffixed with -American to be hilarious.
I mean, every white European alive today can, theoretically, claim heritage from Charlemange. So, like, whatever.
*shrug* Just because they crossed the ocean, doesn't mean they surrendered their culture or didn't pass on bits of it to their descendents or develop an identity based on it and Americanism. The latter is what we did, almost to the point of being stereotypical (cops, boxers, teachers, etc.)
And I agree with Suu's assessment, although personally I tend to be more interested in what happened over here than in Europe (they farmed potatoes or beat up other Europeans. The end).
Quote from: Suu on September 20, 2011, 03:20:03 PM
Every European is either Celtic, Roman, Greek, Norse, Magyar, Tartar and/or Hun. More than likely some sort of combination of most of those, and have been inbred at least 4 times in their family line, which is why you don't want to talk about it.
But in reality, I just don't think that Europeans share the same interest in genealogy like Americans do. I mean, like what Trip said, his family is from "The clay", they've basically been in the Netherlands for as far back as they know, but most Americans are all transplants at one time or another. Which I think is what makes us so obsessed with it.
This is because Europeans generally have a sense of national identity and cultural history that goes beyond being descended from a band of genocidal colonials. Americans have profound colonial guilt and are seeking authenticity by trying to connect to pre-American ancestors, even though, like all other peoples in the history of the world, their only history and identity that matters began when they settled in a new land.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 20, 2011, 04:07:23 PM
I'm one of the Whitest people I know, in some ways. I definitely have a life of privilege, and I was blessed with a first-rate education and an extremely functional upbringing (think Ward & June Cleaver, if June Cleaver also worked). I'm perilously close to being a "limosine liberal"1. The last time I tried to high five someone, I wound up accidentally their nose.
On the other hand - in my defense - I know what I have is based largely on the luck of being born into a well-to-do family, and I also know that I am not entitled to the life I have, or the things I want that I don't yet have. I know where my food comes from, and what it takes to make it available, and I know that the entire culture that allows me to live like this was built on great huge stacks of the bones of Blacks and Native Americans. Lastly, I don't view this joke of an Empire as having sovereignty over "lesser" peoples and nations.
1 In fact, the only thing that keeps me from being a limosine liberal is that I don't believe that all Blacks, Hispanics, etc, are good little children that just need guidance. They fall in the same behavioral patterns as White people do, and our record on "guidance" isn't really that great. It is neither needed nor desirable.
You're the good kind of white people... non-paternalistic and not full of bullshit denial.
Quote from: Nigel on September 20, 2011, 05:29:40 PM
You're the good kind of white people...
BUT WOULD YOU WANT YOUR DAUGHTER TO MARRY ONE?
Quote from: Nigel on September 20, 2011, 05:28:16 PM
Quote from: Suu on September 20, 2011, 03:20:03 PM
Every European is either Celtic, Roman, Greek, Norse, Magyar, Tartar and/or Hun. More than likely some sort of combination of most of those, and have been inbred at least 4 times in their family line, which is why you don't want to talk about it.
But in reality, I just don't think that Europeans share the same interest in genealogy like Americans do. I mean, like what Trip said, his family is from "The clay", they've basically been in the Netherlands for as far back as they know, but most Americans are all transplants at one time or another. Which I think is what makes us so obsessed with it.
This is because Europeans generally have a sense of national identity and cultural history that goes beyond being descended from a band of genocidal colonials. Americans have profound colonial guilt and are seeking authenticity by trying to connect to pre-American ancestors, even though, like all other peoples in the history of the world, their only history and identity that matters began when they settled in a new land.
I thought it was just because Americans were mostly ignorant yokels who are easily goaded into spending money on shit like Ancestry.com.
Quote from: Nigel on September 20, 2011, 05:29:40 PM
the good kind of white people
PERSONALLY, I DON'T BELIEVE THEY EXIST
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Quote from: Nigel on September 20, 2011, 05:29:40 PM
You're the good kind of white people...
BUT WOULD YOU WANT YOUR DAUGHTER TO MARRY ONE?
Honestly?
No.
WE'RE BETTER OFF AMONG OUR OWN KIND, WEARING OUR
GAUDY ABERCROMBIE AND FITCH CLOTHES AND LISTENING TO OUR WILD MUSIC. TAKE US OFF THE GOLF COURSE AND WE'RE OUT OF OUR ELEMENT.
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Quote from: Nigel on September 20, 2011, 05:29:40 PM
You're the good kind of white people...
BUT WOULD YOU WANT YOUR DAUGHTER TO MARRY ONE?
Honestly?
No.
WE'RE BETTER OFF AMONG OUR OWN KIND, WEARING OUR GAUDY ABERCROMBIE AND FITCH CLOTHES AND LISTENING TO OUR WILD MUSIC. TAKE US OFF THE GOLF COURSE AND WE'RE OUT OF OUR ELEMENT.
I am not sure modern American men of any race are capable of understanding or engaging in actual marriage.
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Quote from: Nigel on September 20, 2011, 05:29:40 PM
You're the good kind of white people...
BUT WOULD YOU WANT YOUR DAUGHTER TO MARRY ONE?
Honestly?
No.
WE'RE BETTER OFF AMONG OUR OWN KIND, WEARING OUR GAUDY ABERCROMBIE AND FITCH CLOTHES AND LISTENING TO OUR WILD MUSIC. TAKE US OFF THE GOLF COURSE AND WE'RE OUT OF OUR ELEMENT.
I am not sure modern American men of any race are capable of understanding or engaging in actual marriage.
Sure as fuck are. I've been married loads of times.
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Quote from: Nigel on September 20, 2011, 05:29:40 PM
You're the good kind of white people...
BUT WOULD YOU WANT YOUR DAUGHTER TO MARRY ONE?
Honestly?
No.
WE'RE BETTER OFF AMONG OUR OWN KIND, WEARING OUR GAUDY ABERCROMBIE AND FITCH CLOTHES AND LISTENING TO OUR WILD MUSIC. TAKE US OFF THE GOLF COURSE AND WE'RE OUT OF OUR ELEMENT.
I am not sure modern American men of any race are capable of understanding or engaging in actual marriage.
Sure as fuck are. I've been married loads of times.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
OK, that rated a belly laugh.
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Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 20, 2011, 05:30:47 PM
Quote from: Nigel on September 20, 2011, 05:29:40 PM
You're the good kind of white people...
BUT WOULD YOU WANT YOUR DAUGHTER TO MARRY ONE?
Honestly?
No.
WE'RE BETTER OFF AMONG OUR OWN KIND, WEARING OUR GAUDY ABERCROMBIE AND FITCH CLOTHES AND LISTENING TO OUR WILD MUSIC. TAKE US OFF THE GOLF COURSE AND WE'RE OUT OF OUR ELEMENT.
I am not sure modern American men of any race are capable of understanding or engaging in actual marriage.
Sure as fuck are. I've been married loads of times.
:lulz: Expert, or addict?
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Quote from: Nigel on September 20, 2011, 05:29:40 PM
You're the good kind of white people...
BUT WOULD YOU WANT YOUR DAUGHTER TO MARRY ONE?
Honestly?
No.
WE'RE BETTER OFF AMONG OUR OWN KIND, WEARING OUR GAUDY ABERCROMBIE AND FITCH CLOTHES AND LISTENING TO OUR WILD MUSIC. TAKE US OFF THE GOLF COURSE AND WE'RE OUT OF OUR ELEMENT.
I am not sure modern American men of any race are capable of understanding or engaging in actual marriage.
Sure as fuck are. I've been married loads of times.
:lulz: Expert, or addict?
Yep.
Quote from: Nigel on September 20, 2011, 05:29:40 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 20, 2011, 04:07:23 PM
I'm one of the Whitest people I know, in some ways. I definitely have a life of privilege, and I was blessed with a first-rate education and an extremely functional upbringing (think Ward & June Cleaver, if June Cleaver also worked). I'm perilously close to being a "limosine liberal"1. The last time I tried to high five someone, I wound up accidentally their nose.
On the other hand - in my defense - I know what I have is based largely on the luck of being born into a well-to-do family, and I also know that I am not entitled to the life I have, or the things I want that I don't yet have. I know where my food comes from, and what it takes to make it available, and I know that the entire culture that allows me to live like this was built on great huge stacks of the bones of Blacks and Native Americans. Lastly, I don't view this joke of an Empire as having sovereignty over "lesser" peoples and nations.
1 In fact, the only thing that keeps me from being a limosine liberal is that I don't believe that all Blacks, Hispanics, etc, are good little children that just need guidance. They fall in the same behavioral patterns as White people do, and our record on "guidance" isn't really that great. It is neither needed nor desirable.
You're the good kind of white people... non-paternalistic and not full of bullshit denial.
I just want to know if, when Nigel refers to "white people" as being not quite allergic to things but still really peculiar about their food, if she also refers to really real white clay people for realness like natives like me :-P
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Quote from: Nigel on September 20, 2011, 05:29:40 PM
You're the good kind of white people...
BUT WOULD YOU WANT YOUR DAUGHTER TO MARRY ONE?
Honestly?
No.
WE'RE BETTER OFF AMONG OUR OWN KIND, WEARING OUR GAUDY ABERCROMBIE AND FITCH CLOTHES AND LISTENING TO OUR WILD MUSIC. TAKE US OFF THE GOLF COURSE AND WE'RE OUT OF OUR ELEMENT.
I am not sure modern American men of any race are capable of understanding or engaging in actual marriage.
:mittens:
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Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 20, 2011, 04:07:23 PM
I'm one of the Whitest people I know, in some ways. I definitely have a life of privilege, and I was blessed with a first-rate education and an extremely functional upbringing (think Ward & June Cleaver, if June Cleaver also worked). I'm perilously close to being a "limosine liberal"1. The last time I tried to high five someone, I wound up accidentally their nose.
On the other hand - in my defense - I know what I have is based largely on the luck of being born into a well-to-do family, and I also know that I am not entitled to the life I have, or the things I want that I don't yet have. I know where my food comes from, and what it takes to make it available, and I know that the entire culture that allows me to live like this was built on great huge stacks of the bones of Blacks and Native Americans. Lastly, I don't view this joke of an Empire as having sovereignty over "lesser" peoples and nations.
1 In fact, the only thing that keeps me from being a limosine liberal is that I don't believe that all Blacks, Hispanics, etc, are good little children that just need guidance. They fall in the same behavioral patterns as White people do, and our record on "guidance" isn't really that great. It is neither needed nor desirable.
You're the good kind of white people... non-paternalistic and not full of bullshit denial.
I just want to know if, when Nigel refers to "white people" as being not quite allergic to things but still really peculiar about their food, if she also refers to really real white clay people for realness like natives like me :-P
You're European, not white.
IM NOT WHITE! SWEET :D
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL19lvK1D7c&feature=share)