Anwar al-Walaki is being reported as killed in Yemen. This is important because:
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/salon/greenwald/~3/Ba7oZeZo2rw/awlaki
QuoteIt was first reported in January of last year that the Obama administration had compiled a hit list of American citizens whom the President had ordered assassinated without any due process, and one of those Americans was Anwar al-Awlaki. No effort was made to indict him for any crimes (despite a report last October that the Obama administration was "considering" indicting him). Despite substantial doubt among Yemen experts about whether he even has any operational role in Al Qaeda, no evidence (as opposed to unverified government accusations) was presented of his guilt. When Awlaki's father sought a court order barring Obama from killing his son, the DOJ argued, among other things, that such decisions were "state secrets" and thus beyond the scrutiny of the courts. He was simply ordered killed by the President: his judge, jury and executioner. When Awlaki's inclusion on President Obama's hit list was confirmed, The New York Times noted that "it is extremely rare, if not unprecedented, for an American to be approved for targeted killing."
After several unsuccessful efforts to assassinate its own citizen, the U.S. succeeded today (and it was the U.S.). It almost certainly was able to find and kill Awlaki with the help of its long-time close friend President Saleh, who took a little time off from murdering his own citizens to help the U.S. murder its. The U.S. thus transformed someone who was, at best, a marginal figure into a martyr, and again showed its true face to the world. The government and media search for The Next bin Laden has undoubtedly already commenced.
So, yeah. Good thing Obama isn't like Bush and is bringing integrity and rule of law back to the White House.
I heard about this and thought it was surprising that after so many years, they'd suddenly get two highly prominent Al Qaeda figures.
I was completely unaware of the fact he was an american citizen. Thanks for putting a spotlight on this, Cain, that fact is going pretty underreported, and puts a more sinister cast on the whole thing.
al-Walaki's chief role seems to be that of "inspiring" terrorism, through sermons and so on.
Unfortunately, I believe such speech is in fact protected under US law (there was a trial, a KKK member was suggesting violent overthrow of the federal government, the court ruled he was within his rights to do so).
Furthermore, his operational role in terrorist activities was never established publically. Given the track record of US intelligence in assessing threats and so on, I would rather trust a court (barely) to pronounce a judgement.
I didn't realize that he was never indicted, or tried in absentia. So, the attitude is, "we have proof, but we can't show you".
Fuckers.
Checks and balances are so last century.
In other news, the First and Fifth amendments of the U.S. Constitution were killed in action by the U.S. Government.
I don't want to live on this planet anymore...
Quote from: Cain on September 30, 2011, 01:42:17 PM
So, yeah. Good thing Obama isn't like Bush and is bringing integrity and rule of law back to the White House.
I think the office of "The President of The United States of America" is actually a Go'auld.
Different host, same slimy snake-creature with psychopathic, treacherous, bloodthirsty habits.
And he cut funding to SG-1, which is why MacGyver hasn't been able to save us.
Quote from: Cainad on September 30, 2011, 05:46:30 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 30, 2011, 01:42:17 PM
So, yeah. Good thing Obama isn't like Bush and is bringing integrity and rule of law back to the White House.
I think the office of "The President of The United States of America" is actually a Go'auld.
Different host, same slimy snake-creature with psychopathic, treacherous, bloodthirsty habits.
And he cut funding to SG-1, which is why MacGyver hasn't been able to save us.
Not Go'auldy enough. He sent them off-world to an Ice Planet where he had already destroyed the DHD.
Oh, and there are scary predators. And no local Egyptians to help them out of their mess. Completely abandoned planet.
QuoteArticle 3, Section 3: Treason
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.
the only argument in defense of this they'll ever make. or need really.
neveryoumind that nonsense about Congress.
Also that pesky little part about conviction and testimony of two witnesses in court.
This is AMERRUKUH!
I want to facepalm so hard it gives me a concussion and puts me into a coma.
Anywhere a drone can operate, so can a Special Forces team. Especially since the government in Yemen is much more open to US action than, say, Pakistan. Taking al-Walaki alive was always an option. It was just easier to kill him.
I suspect this had little to do with al-Walaki's propaganda per se, but was instead done in order to send a message to other Americans who have given vocal support to the jihad - you're no longer safe. The rule of law does not apply to you. Voice support for jihad, convince others to take up arms against America, and we will find you, and we will kill you.
In other news, this leaves a chubby, Californian metalhead in charge of Al-Qaeda's English language media operations. No, I'm not even joking.
Quote from: Cain on October 01, 2011, 04:29:52 PM
Anywhere a drone can operate, so can a Special Forces team. Especially since the government in Yemen is much more open to US action than, say, Pakistan. Taking al-Walaki alive was always an option. It was just easier to kill him.
I suspect this had little to do with al-Walaki's propaganda per se, but was instead done in order to send a message to other Americans who have given vocal support to the jihad - you're no longer safe. The rule of law does not apply to you. Voice support for jihad, convince others to take up arms against America, and we will find you, and we will kill you.
In other news, this leaves a chubby, Californian metalhead in charge of Al-Qaeda's English language media operations. No, I'm not even joking.
This is somewhere between :| and :horrormirth:
And everyday it gets more likely average citizens will be dissapeared.
Coast to coast, idiots are praising this action. This leaves me blaming the government less and blaming them more. Both are guilty as hell.
HIS CYBORG ARMIES ARE MARCHING ON!!
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:nigel:
NPR keeps saying he has "links" to the underwear bomber, the failed times square car bomber guy, and the Ft. Hood shooter.
But as far as I can tell, all he's accused of is writing propaganda and telling people it isn't against Islam to be a suicide bomber?
Quote from: Golden Applesauce on October 01, 2011, 10:41:46 PM
NPR keeps saying he has "links" to the underwear bomber, the failed times square car bomber guy, and the Ft. Hood shooter.
But as far as I can tell, all he's accused of is writing propaganda and telling people it isn't against Islam to be a suicide bomber?
I still laugh when people say that guy had "links" to Al Qaeda. Apparently Al Qaeda didnt bother giving him a crash course in explosives.
Quote from: Golden Applesauce on October 01, 2011, 10:41:46 PM
NPR keeps saying he has "links" to the underwear bomber, the failed times square car bomber guy, and the Ft. Hood shooter.
But as far as I can tell, all he's accused of is writing propaganda and telling people it isn't against Islam to be a suicide bomber?
Well, he was also living with Al-Qaeda in Yemen members, in their safe houses and bases.
But that's pretty flimsy as well. I mean, you could say the same of the wives and children of AQiY members (many of whom have also been incinerated by Hellfire missile attacks from drones).
The allegations of operational or financial links to terrorism remain just that - allegations. That the White House has not attempted to prove its case in court in regard to al-Walaki suggests it case is far, far weaker than it would like us all to believe.
Article in Courier Mail.
Tone celebratory.
'American born' mentioned but not American citizen.
Well, this puts a different spin on things.
Via Antifascist Calling (http://antifascist-calling.blogspot.com/2011/10/dead-men-tell-no-tales-cia-911-and.html):
QuoteAs toxic to democratic norms and the rule of law as the Awlaki affair clearly is, there are underlying parapolitical themes surrounding his murder which strengthen suspicions that what took place in Yemen on September 30 is more than just another story about an overt power grab by the Executive Branch.
While the government and media continue to cover-up the role played by the CIA and other secret state agencies in alleged intelligence "failures" leading up to the 9/11 attacks, evidence suggests that the Awlaki killing, as with last May's murder of former bête noire and on-again, off-again ally, Osama Bin Laden, may have been a "clean-up" operation designed to remove inconvenient witnesses with knowledge of Agency involvement in the plot.
As Antifascist Calling reported nearly two years ago in the wake of the aborted 2009 bombing of Northwest Airlines Flight 253 on Christmas Day over Detroit, a plot for which Awlaki was accused of orchestrating, though evidence can't be supplied because it's "secret," The Washington Post disclosed that Awlaki had extensive contacts with 9/11 hijackers Nawaf Alhazmi, Khalid Almihdhar and Hani Hanjour who "had spent time at his mosques in California and Falls Church."
In a series of 2010 articles (here, here, here and here), I reported on the stark parallels between September 11 and the Flight 253 affair.
And as with the 2001 attacks we were told "changed everything," far from being a failure to "connect the dots," intelligence and law enforcement officials possessed sufficient information that should have prevented accused bomber, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, from boarding that plane and placing the lives of nearly 300 air passengers at risk.
And wile Awlaki wasn't given a free pass by the administration in that botched attack, earlier government failures to apprehend him certainly set the stage.
According to History Commons, "shortly before the [FBI] investigation [into Awlaki's alleged ties to the now-shuttered Holy Land Foundation] is closed," in 2000, Awlaki "is beginning to associate with hijackers Nawaf Alhazmi and Khalid Almihdhar shortly before the investigation ends."
"For instance," History Commons avers, "on February 4, one month before the FBI investigation is closed, al-Awlaki talks on the telephone four times with hijacker associate [and suspected Saudi intelligence agent] Omar al-Bayoumi."
"The 9/11 Commission will later speculate that these calls are related to Alhazmi and Almihdhar, since al-Bayoumi is helping them that day, and that Alhazmi or Almihdhar may even have been using al-Bayoumi's phone at the time. Al-Bayoumi had also been the subject of an FBI counterterrorism investigation in 1999."
Keep in mind that at least two of the hijackers, Nawaf Alhazmi and Khalid Almihdhar, figure prominently in recent revelations by researcher Kevin Fenton, the author of Disconnecting the Dots.
In a recent conversation with Boiling Frogs Post's Sibel Edmonds and Peter B. Collins, Fenton said that during the course of his investigation, drawn from the Congressional 9/11 Joint Inquiry, the 9/11 Commission, the Justice Department's Inspector General's report, and the CIA's still-redacted Inspector General's report, he discovered that the CIA had deliberately withheld information from the FBI that the future hijackers had entered the United States with multiple entry visas issued in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.
Even though the Agency had identified the pair as international terrorists who attended a 2000 Al-Qaeda summit in Malaysia where they and others, including Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and Khallad Bin Attash, one of the principle architects of the 1998 U.S. Embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, planned the assault on the USS Cole and the 9/11 attacks, they kept this from the FBI, information that could have led straight to the heart of Al-Qaeda's "planes operation."
Fenton provides substantial evidence that the CIA's Alec Station Director Richard Blee and deputy, Tom Wilshire, concealed intelligence from investigators, concluding this "information was intentionally omitted in order to allow an al-Qaeda attack to go forward against the United States."
As part of this continuing cover-up, Awlaki's ties to the 9/11 hijackers were far more extensive than secret state officials have led us to believe.
In fact, although the Obama administration has justified killing Awlaki with false claims that he was AQAP's "external operations" chief, his role before 9/11 was substantially more significant from an investigatory perspective: that of a "fixer," first in San Diego where he assisted Saudi spook Omar al-Bayoumi in "settling" Alhazmi and Almihdhar, and later in Falls Church, Virginia, where he did the same for Hani Hanjour.
In 2002, Newsweek revealed that "some federal investigators suspect that al-Bayoumi could have been an advance man for the 9-11 hijackers, sent by Al Qaeda to assist the plot that ultimately claimed 3,000 lives."
"Two months after al-Bayoumi began aiding Alhazmi and Almihdhar," Newsweek disclosed, "al-Bayoumi's wife began receiving regular stipends, often monthly and usually around $2,000, totaling tens of thousands of dollars.
Payments arrived "in the form of cashier's checks, purchased from Washington's Riggs Bank by Princess Haifa bint Faisal, the daughter of the late King Faisal and wife of Prince Bandar, the Saudi envoy who is a prominent Washington figure and personal friend of the Bush family."
With startling similarities to the Awlaki case, ten days after the attacks, al-Bayoumi is picked up by British authorities in London, where he had relocated in July 2001, at the request of the FBI. Although his phone calls, bank accounts and associations are scrutinized, the Bureau claim they found no connections to terrorism.
The Washington Post will report that by 2002 the FBI had concluded, the same year Awlaki leaves the U.S., "that no evidence could be found of any organized domestic effort to aid the hijackers."
Recall that new information linking some members of the Saudi royal family and its intelligence apparatus to the attacks has recently surfaced. Last month, The Miami Herald revealed that two weeks before the kamikaze assaults on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, a Saudi family "abruptly vacated their luxury home near Sarasota, leaving a brand new car in the driveway, a refrigerator full of food, fruit on the counter--and an open safe in a master bedroom."
Investigative reporters Anthony Summers and Dan Christensen learned that "law enforcement agents not only discovered the home was visited by vehicles used by the hijackers, but phone calls were linked between the home and those who carried out the death flights--including leader Mohamed Atta--in discoveries never before revealed to the public."
"Ten years after the deadliest attack of terrorism on U.S. soil," Summers and Christensen wrote, "new information has emerged that shows the FBI found troubling ties between the hijackers and residents in the upscale community in southwest Florida, but the investigation wasn't reported to Congress or mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report."
In a follow-up piece that significantly advanced the story, researcher Russ Baker reported on the WhoWhatWhy web site "that those alleged confederates were closely tied to influential members of the Saudi ruling elite."
Building on information first disclosed by the Herald, Baker, the author of Family of Secrets, reports that this "now-revealed link" between those who consorted with the hijackers in Florida "and the highest ranks of the Saudi establishment, reopens questions about the White House's controversial approval for multiple charter flights allowing Saudi nationals to depart the U.S., beginning about 48 hours after the attacks, without the passengers being interviewed by law enforcement--despite the identification of the majority of the hijackers as Saudis."
Is there a pattern between the hands-off treatment afforded well-connected Saudis and Anwar al-Awlaki's casual, and inexplicable, flight from the United States?
"After 9/11" History Commons points out, "the FBI will question al-Awlaki, and he will admit to meeting with Alhazmi several times, but say he does not remember what they discussed. He will not claim to remember Almihdhar at all." Other accounts suggest that the relationship was much closer.
"The 9/11 Congressional Inquiry," History Commons avers, "claim that Alhazmi and Almihdhar 'were closely affiliated with [al-Awlaki] who reportedly served as their spiritual adviser during their time in San Diego. ... Several persons informed the FBI after September 11 that this imam had closed-door meetings in San Diego with Almihdhar, Alhazmi, and another individual, whom al-Bayoumi had asked to help the hijackers'."
"Around August 2000," History Commons reports, "al-Awlaki resigns as imam and travels to unknown 'various countries.' In early 2001, he will be appointed the imam to a much larger mosque in Falls Church, Virginia. During this time frame, Alhazmi, Almihdhar, and fellow hijacker Hani Hanjour will move to Virginia and attend al-Awlaki's mosque there."
Anecdotally, in 2003 Newsweek reports: "Lincoln Higgie, an antiques dealer who lived across the street from the mosque where Aulaqi used to lead prayer, told Newsweek that he distinctly recalls the imam knocking on his door in the first week of August 2001 to tell him he was leaving for Kuwait. 'He came over before he left and told me that something very big was going to happen, and that he had to be out of the country when it happened,' recalls Higgie."
The antiques dealer later told The New York Times, that when he learned that Awlaki would be permanently leaving San Diego, "he told the imam to stop by if he was ever in the area--and got a strange response." Higgie said, "'I don't think you'll be seeing me. I won't be coming back to San Diego again. Later on you'll find out why'."
Although the FBI suspected Awlaki "had some connection with the 9/11 plot," authorities claim there wasn't enough evidence to charge him, nor can he be deported because he's an American citizen. And when the Bureau hatched an ill-conceived plan to arrest him on an obscure charge of "transporting prostitutes across state lines," that plan collapsed when Awlaki left the U.S. in March 2002.
"But on October 10, 2002," History Commons reports, "he makes a surprise return to the U.S." Although his name is on a terrorist watch list and he is detained by Customs' officials when he lands in New York, they are informed by the FBI that "his name was taken off the watch list just the day before. He is released after only three hours."
"Throughout 2002," History Commons informs us, Awlaki is the "subject of an active Customs investigation into money laundering called Operation Greenquest, but he is not arrested for this either, or for the earlier contemplated prostitution charges. At the time, the FBI is fighting Greenquest, and Customs officials will later accuse the FBI of sabotaging Greenquest investigations."
Awlaki again leaves the U.S., this time for good. Although the FBI admits they were "very interested" in Awlaki, they fail to stop him leaving the country. One FBI source told U.S. News and World Report, "We don't know how he got out."
Inexplicably however, it was not until 2008 that secret state officials concluded that Awlaki was an Al-Qaeda operative! This beggars belief, and raises the question as to why he was allowed to leave in the first place. It certainly can't be for lack of evidence or that when Awlaki set-up shop, first in London and finally in Yemen, he is continually under surveillance by British, Yemeni and American intelligence agencies.
Although interviewed four times by the FBI after September 11, the Bureau concluded, according to The New York Times, that Awlaki's "contacts with the hijackers and other radicals were random."
Other investigators however, disagreed. "One detective," the Times reported, whose name has been scrubbed from 9/11 Commission files, told staff that he believed Awlaki "was at the center of the 9/11 story." At the time of the Flight 253 affair, I wrote that "despite, or possibly because of these dubious connections he was allowed to leave the country."
I thought I had heard of Al-Walaki before 2008. Too many Arabic names, not enough fluency in the language...
I'm not sure I endorse the author's belief that 9/11 was in part a domestic CIA operation, even of the "they let it happen" sort. It's feasible, sure, but without proof, it is far more likely that elements in the CIA, State, DOD etc were trying to woo Al-Qaeda et al right up to 9/11, despite the earlier attacks against American targets, in belief that it could be used to advance American geopolitical interests in Central Asia. As such, the likes of al-Walaki, the 9/11 hijackers were given slack, until once the attack happened, and the above elements tried to bury all information possible on past contacts with such individuals. Then, as the War on Terror heated up, they approached people like al-Walaki again to spy for them...and al-Walaki may have been doing just that, until he went off the reservation and started working for Al-Qaeda for real.
Quoteit is far more likely that elements in the CIA, State, DOD etc were trying to woo Al-Qaeda et al right up to 9/11, despite the earlier attacks against American targets, in belief that it could be used to advance American geopolitical interests in Central Asia.
I honestly had never considered this possibility before. But now, when you put it like that, it makes a hell of a lot of sense.
Well, even as late as 1999, we know that the Kosovo Liberation Army were linked to Al-Qaeda on one side, and the CIA, BND, MI6 etc on the other. Ayman al-Zawahiri's own group, Egyptian Islamic Jihad, were apparently operating in Albania in 1998 (and Albania were, of course, one of the prime backers of the KLA). It may have been felt that Sunni radicalism in Southern Europe was preferable to Shiite radicalism (Iran, having sent support via Hezbollah during the Bosnia conflict). There was also the question of pacifying former Yugoslav territory and the AMBO pipeline business.
It may have been felt a few embassies and suicide bombings were worth those larger, geopolitical goals.
makes more sense than most explanations I've heard up till now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl6w1YaZdf8&feature=player_embedded
A rather interesting interview with Richard Clarke where he says basically the same thing.
This story also came out recently
http://politics.salon.com/2011/10/14/insiders_voice_doubts_cia_911/singleton/
QuoteA growing number of former government insiders — all responsible officials who served in a number of federal posts — are now on record as doubting ex-CIA director George Tenet's account of events leading up to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States. Among them are several special agents of the FBI, the former counterterrorism head in the Clinton and Bush administrations, and the chairman of the 9/11 Commission, who told us the CIA chief had been "obviously not forthcoming" in his testimony and had misled the commissioners.
These doubts about the CIA first emerged among a group of 9/11 victims' families whose struggle to force the government to investigate the causes of the attacks, we chronicled in our 2006 documentary film "Press for Truth." At that time, we thought we were done with the subject. But tantalizing information unearthed by the 9/11 Commission's final report and spotted by the families (Chapter 6, footnote 44) raised a question too important to be put aside:
Did Tenet fail to share intelligence with the White House and the FBI in 2000 and 2001 that could have prevented the attacks? Specifically, did a group in the CIA's al-Qaida office engage in a domestic covert action operation involving two of the 9/11 hijackers, that — however legitimate the agency's goals may have been — hindered the type of intelligence-sharing that could have prevented the attacks? And if not, then what would explain seemingly inexplicable actions by CIA employees?
QuoteIn January 2000, Miller tried to inform his bosses about a man named Khalid Al Mihdhar, who had previously been identified as a member of an al-Qaida operational cadre. By the spring of 2000, the CIA had learned that Mihdhar and another suspected al-Qaida operative, Nawaf Al Hazmi, had likely arrived in Southern California. But the CIA did not pass along the information to the FBI.
The draft cable — blocked by Miller's CIA superiors — was not turned over to the commissioners or to the earlier congressional investigation. It was discovered in CIA records by an investigator working for a concurrent inquiry conducted by the Justice Department's inspector general. Apparently it had been missed by Tenet's DCI Review Group, convened immediately after the attacks to examine CIA records in order to prepare the director for the coming government investigations.
Kean was disturbed by the revelation.
"The idea that that information was left out of something that was so essential for the FBI, whose job it is to work within the United States and track these people ... you know, it's one of the most troubling aspects of our entire report, that particular thing," Kean said.
We pushed Kean. Could it be this was a simple mistake, a failure to recognize the significance of Mihdhar and Hazmi, as the CIA had initially characterized it?
"Oh, it wasn't careless oversight," Kean replied. "It was purposeful. No question about that in my mind ... In the DNA of these organizations was secrecy."
The article here also references Richard Clarke's comments, above, that the CIA may have not passed on the information because they were looking to recruit the hijackers.
http://www.salon.com/2011/10/20/the_killing_of_awlakis_16_year_old_son/singleton
QuoteTwo weeks after the U.S. killed American citizen Anwar Awlaki with a drone strike in Yemen — far from any battlefield and with no due process — it did the same to his 16-year-old son, Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, ending the teenager's life on Friday along with his 17-year-old cousin and seven other people. News reports, based on government sources, originally claimed that Awlaki's son was 21 years old and an Al Qaeda fighter (needless to say, as Terrorist often means: "anyone killed by the U.S."), but a birth certificate published by The Washington Post proved that he was born only 16 years ago in Denver. As The New Yorker's Amy Davidson wrote: "Looking at his birth certificate, one wonders what those assertions say either about the the quality of the government's evidence — or the honesty of its claims — and about our own capacity for self-deception." The boy's grandfather said that he and his cousin were at a barbecue and preparing to eat when the U.S. attacked them by air and ended their lives.
That's fucked up.
Quote from: Nigel on October 21, 2011, 06:07:20 PM
That's fucked up.
Stop hating America™. The kid was an obvious threat. Plus, we had some ordnance coming up on its use-by date.
What were we supposed to do?
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 21, 2011, 06:08:21 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 21, 2011, 06:07:20 PM
That's fucked up.
Stop hating America™. The kid was an obvious threat. Plus, we had some ordnance coming up on its use-by date.
What were we supposed to do?
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