Poll
Question:
If there were an Occupy ___ protest nearby, would you attend?
Option 1: Definitely would
Option 2: Probably would
Option 3: Probably not
Option 4: Definitely not
If there were an Occupy ___ protest within a reasonable distance, would you attend?
I'm going late this afternoon.
Right at this point, 2 hours via plane is not 'reasonable distance'.
Apparently not.... we have one today here in Dallas, (that was scheduled to start seven minutes ago) and i don't have any plans to attend.
i would probably show up just to see the spectacle if it was still going this evening after work and if i didn't have two young children in tow...
I went after work on Tuesday. I'm not going to camp out or take vaction time to do this, but I will give some of my weekend if they are still there. It's not a real big group here in StL.
Quote from: Placid Dingo on October 06, 2011, 03:05:47 PM
Right at this point, 2 hours via plane is not 'reasonable distance'.
it's a hypothetical question
if accessibility wasn't an excuse, would you go?
Tucson's got one going on. I will attend.
Quote from: Cramulus on October 06, 2011, 03:19:18 PM
Quote from: Placid Dingo on October 06, 2011, 03:05:47 PM
Right at this point, 2 hours via plane is not 'reasonable distance'.
it's a hypothetical question
if accessibility wasn't an excuse, would you go?
Oops, meant to answer that.
Yes. Absolutely. And im actually going to look at going down as a vuage possibility.
there is one in London on the 15th, I would love to go but affording to get there seems like a no.
Quote from: Cramulus on October 06, 2011, 03:19:18 PM
Quote from: Placid Dingo on October 06, 2011, 03:05:47 PM
Right at this point, 2 hours via plane is not 'reasonable distance'.
it's a hypothetical question
if accessibility wasn't an excuse, would you go?
I answered "probably" but if that were the case, definitely.
Probably.
More to network for what comes next than for the event itself, to be honest.
Quote from: Cain on October 06, 2011, 03:34:49 PM
More to network for what comes next than for the event itself, to be honest.
That's my primary motivation as well.
Quote from: Net on October 06, 2011, 03:35:59 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 06, 2011, 03:34:49 PM
More to network for what comes next than for the event itself, to be honest.
That's my primary motivation as well.
It'd put me in a better place to be the Khattiya Sawasdipol of the more radical emerging movement...only hopefully without the "getting shot in the head by a sniper" aspect of it.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 06, 2011, 03:19:59 PM
Tucson's got one going on. I will attend.
Oh hell yeah. Keep us posted!
Leaving within the next hour. (with my Aunt)
Yeah, probably would. I figure I could run over peoples toes with my wheelchair, get knocked on the head with a baton, incite a riot by just laying on the asphalt and bleeding.
Seriously though, yes, I would probably attend.
I'll be up in Chicago this weekend, and if their still hanging around LaSalle and Jackson up there, I'll chill with them for a bit. There's also an attempt to get one started here, so if that happens, I'll definitely get involved.
I'm not going today (sorry Amerrukuh, the kids are my activism) but assuming they actually do occupy Portland and are still there in a few days I'll be there then.
Quote from: Nigel on October 06, 2011, 04:02:54 PM
I'm not going today (sorry Amerrukuh, the kids are my activism) but assuming they actually do occupy Portland and are still there in a few days I'll be there then.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/10/occupy_portland_aims_to_send_a.html
The question isn't hypothetical for me because there is one scheduled for this Saturday about an hour's drive away.
PMZ,
has a prior commitment.
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on October 06, 2011, 05:08:38 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 06, 2011, 04:02:54 PM
I'm not going today (sorry Amerrukuh, the kids are my activism) but assuming they actually do occupy Portland and are still there in a few days I'll be there then.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/10/occupy_portland_aims_to_send_a.html
:?
I know what their
plans are. I live here and one of my friends is a core agitator/recruiter.
attend yes, full on occupy, probably not. I have a family to take care of.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on October 06, 2011, 07:43:52 PM
attend yes, full on occupy, probably not. I have a family to take care of.
Yeah, someone's got to cash the welfare check.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 06, 2011, 07:49:58 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on October 06, 2011, 07:43:52 PM
attend yes, full on occupy, probably not. I have a family to take care of.
Yeah, someone's got to cash the welfare check.
And put in the hours to get the welfare check. Ohio requires volunteer hours paid at minimum wage for cash and foodstamps.
I actually just got a real job today, I start training on Tuesday.
Quote from: Nigel on October 06, 2011, 05:27:02 PM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on October 06, 2011, 05:08:38 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 06, 2011, 04:02:54 PM
I'm not going today (sorry Amerrukuh, the kids are my activism) but assuming they actually do occupy Portland and are still there in a few days I'll be there then.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/10/occupy_portland_aims_to_send_a.html
:?
I know what their plans are. I live here and one of my friends is a core agitator/recruiter.
My bad. Shoulda guessed. :D
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on October 06, 2011, 08:02:38 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 06, 2011, 07:49:58 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on October 06, 2011, 07:43:52 PM
attend yes, full on occupy, probably not. I have a family to take care of.
Yeah, someone's got to cash the welfare check.
And put in the hours to get the welfare check. Ohio requires volunteer hours paid at minimum wage for cash and foodstamps.
I actually just got a real job today, I start training on Tuesday.
Yup. Got to teach those welfare recipients how to use a mop.
I'm unlikely to go even though there is one nearby (Boston) because as i have gotten old I find I dislike leaving my house.
Next step, manifesto!
I believe I'm going to the one occupying the federal building. There's one today (I have class for the entire period they'll be there) and tomorrow, which is the one I want to go to if I can find a ride/borrow the car.
Im going to be underneath it tomorrow on my way to providence. Next week i might show up here and there for a couple of hours but i do have a job to occasionally go to and kind of a slobby roommate. Dont want to come back and find more wasted potatoes.
Quote from: PopeTom on October 06, 2011, 08:48:26 PM
I'm unlikely to go even though there is one nearby (Boston) because as i have gotten old I find I dislike leaving my house.
Next step, manifesto!
If you can't use your body ( I am in complete empathy here) then use your brain!
I'm going over the Atlantic to New York City with my family tomorrow.
I guess I'll just go down to wherever the protests are, stare at them for a while (or, if I feel brave enough for it, find someone to express my solidarity to) and then return to doing typical tourist-stuff.
Quote from: Lenin McCarthy on October 06, 2011, 10:07:08 PM
I'm going over the Atlantic to New York City with my family tomorrow.
I guess I'll just go down to wherever the protests are, stare at them for a while (or, if I feel brave enough for it, find someone to express my solidarity to) and then return to doing typical tourist-stuff.
IE, getting mugged.
Thats exactly what we said in IRC.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on October 06, 2011, 08:02:38 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 06, 2011, 07:49:58 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on October 06, 2011, 07:43:52 PM
attend yes, full on occupy, probably not. I have a family to take care of.
Yeah, someone's got to cash the welfare check.
And put in the hours to get the welfare check. Ohio requires volunteer hours paid at minimum wage for cash and foodstamps.
I actually just got a real job today, I start training on Tuesday.
Stick it to the man.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 06, 2011, 10:08:05 PM
Quote from: Lenin McCarthy on October 06, 2011, 10:07:08 PM
I'm going over the Atlantic to New York City with my family tomorrow.
I guess I'll just go down to wherever the protests are, stare at them for a while (or, if I feel brave enough for it, find someone to express my solidarity to) and then return to doing typical tourist-stuff.
IE, getting mugged.
I've been a tourist in NYC at least two dozen times, and have never once gotten mugged. :sad:
It's just not the happenin' joint it used to be, I guess.
Or I made the mistake of spending most of my time in Manhattan.
Quote from: Cainad on October 06, 2011, 10:15:42 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 06, 2011, 10:08:05 PM
Quote from: Lenin McCarthy on October 06, 2011, 10:07:08 PM
I'm going over the Atlantic to New York City with my family tomorrow.
I guess I'll just go down to wherever the protests are, stare at them for a while (or, if I feel brave enough for it, find someone to express my solidarity to) and then return to doing typical tourist-stuff.
IE, getting mugged.
I've been a tourist in NYC at least two dozen times, and have never once gotten mugged. :sad:
It's just not the happenin' joint it used to be, I guess.
Or I made the mistake of spending most of my time in Manhattan.
They feel bad for you because you're Jewish.
:lulz:
:x How could I have never realized that? All this time I thought it must have been that uber-masculine, vague aura of menace I exude from my very pores. The Curse of Yid theory makes way more sense.
I should get my hair straightened and wear blue contacts or something next time.
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on October 06, 2011, 09:43:31 PM
I believe I'm going to the one occupying the federal building. There's one today (I have class for the entire period they'll be there) and tomorrow, which is the one I want to go to if I can find a ride/borrow the car.
And it appears that I have secured a ride!
Quote from: Cainad on October 06, 2011, 10:20:55 PM
:x How could I have never realized that? All this time I thought it must have been that uber-masculine, vague aura of menace I exude from my very pores. The Curse of Yid theory makes way more sense.
I should get my hair straightened and wear blue contacts or something next time.
Yeah, plus you look like the bad guy from
Warriors when you wear make up.
Hey whats a good slogan for a sign? Separation of merch and state?
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 06, 2011, 10:08:55 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on October 06, 2011, 08:02:38 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 06, 2011, 07:49:58 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on October 06, 2011, 07:43:52 PM
attend yes, full on occupy, probably not. I have a family to take care of.
Yeah, someone's got to cash the welfare check.
And put in the hours to get the welfare check. Ohio requires volunteer hours paid at minimum wage for cash and foodstamps.
I actually just got a real job today, I start training on Tuesday.
Stick it to the man.
:spittake:
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on October 06, 2011, 11:01:42 PM
Hey whats a good slogan for a sign? Separation of merch and state?
I like that one. :)
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on October 06, 2011, 11:41:11 PM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on October 06, 2011, 11:01:42 PM
Hey whats a good slogan for a sign? Separation of merch and state?
I like that one. :)
Cool, I'll make one up for Tuesday, get up early, go to work late.
I get up around seven
Get out of bed around nine
Quote from: rong on October 07, 2011, 12:57:00 AM
I get up around seven
Get out of bed around nine
I used to a little but a little wouldn't do it so the little got more and mowore. I just keep trying to get a little better, just a little better than befowore.
Wow, that was fast
Quote from: rong on October 07, 2011, 01:02:27 AM
Wow, that was fast
Well, dude, it's G'n'R.
I berated an acquaintance of mine for never having heard of November Rain. I yelled get off my lawn at him, sent him the link to the video, he said, yep, this is the first time I've heard this song, so I followed up with damn kids.
What the hell is wrong with these kids today. It was released in 92. In 94 I was listening to shit from 1970. I was 13. He's bloody 22.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
ETA: Dok, I actually could launch into a 3 paragraph thing here, but I'm also simultaneously practicing a solo. So. I'll store it up.
G'n'R's legacy (in terms of what younger generations will be familiar with) is mostly going to be Appetite for Destruction.
Quote from: PopeTom on October 07, 2011, 02:24:23 AM
G'n'R's legacy (in terms of what younger generations will be familiar with) is mostly going to be Appetite for Destruction.
Pity. It's an excellent song.
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on October 06, 2011, 11:01:42 PM
Hey whats a good slogan for a sign? Separation of merch and state?
Some inspiration, slideshow of signs:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/06/occupywallstreet-signs-an_n_998099.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003#s393363&title=Occupy_Wall_Street
I'd suggest strapping loves of bread to your skull.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 07, 2011, 01:58:43 PM
I'd suggest strapping loves of bread to your skull.
Goes without saying :)
BTW one I found particularly strong from the pics on HuffPo, were people that taped dollar bills over their mouths. Whatever the symbolism (I bet you can make something up), it's a powerful image.
It will probably also give you herpes or some other mouf disease, but it's for the good cause.
Quote from: PopeTom on October 06, 2011, 08:48:26 PM
I'm unlikely to go even though there is one nearby (Boston) because as i have gotten old I find I dislike leaving my house.
Next step, manifesto!
I have written my manifesto using this (http://www.tastefullyoffensive.com/2011/03/how-to-write-manifesto.html) as my guideline.
======
Stand up to the Criminals on Wall StreetWe have had enough!
We have too long watched as bankers and financiers have played games with our money, our homes, and our lives.
This must stop today.
We must fight.
The robber barons of the 19th Century are back and are willing to do anything, step over any moral line, sell you and your children as chattel so long as it makes them a buck.
End.
Wall Street.
Corruption.
We must make the 1% that controls the majority of the country's wealth pay their fair share.
By raising taxes on people who earn more than they need to live on.
By finding ways to keep working Americans in their homes.
By prosecuting the criminals whose financial charades brought our economy to the brink of ruin.
We were promised that if we worked hard we could not only live good comfortable lives but also pass onto our children the means to do even better than we ourselves had done; we want that promise back.
Ninty-nine.
nice!
"Make mine a 99" -- KLF
Don't forget what is probably the most important aspect: Ending corporate political contributions and lobbying.
Quote from: Nigel on October 11, 2011, 08:39:54 PM
Don't forget what is probably the most important aspect: Ending corporate political contributions and lobbying.
that's probably a whole manifesto of its own.
Quote from: PopeTom on October 11, 2011, 08:00:21 PM
Quote from: PopeTom on October 06, 2011, 08:48:26 PM
I'm unlikely to go even though there is one nearby (Boston) because as i have gotten old I find I dislike leaving my house.
Next step, manifesto!
I have written my manifesto using this (http://www.tastefullyoffensive.com/2011/03/how-to-write-manifesto.html) as my guideline.
======
Stand up to the Criminals on Wall Street
We have had enough!
We have too long watched as bankers and financiers have played games with our money, our homes, and our lives.
This must stop today.
We must fight.
The robber barons of the 19th Century are back and are willing to do anything, step over any moral line, sell you and your children as chattel so long as it makes them a buck.
End.
Wall Street.
Corruption.
We must make the 1% that controls the majority of the country's wealth pay their fair share.
By raising taxes on people who earn more than they need to live on.
By finding ways to keep working Americans in their homes.
By prosecuting the criminals whose financial charades brought our economy to the brink of ruin.
We were promised that if we worked hard we could not only live good comfortable lives but also pass onto our children the means to do even better than we ourselves had done; we want that promise back.
Ninty-nine.
Requesting permission to share on facebook, with attribution.
Quote from: Charley Brown on October 11, 2011, 10:38:37 PM
Quote from: PopeTom on October 11, 2011, 08:00:21 PM
Quote from: PopeTom on October 06, 2011, 08:48:26 PM
I'm unlikely to go even though there is one nearby (Boston) because as i have gotten old I find I dislike leaving my house.
Next step, manifesto!
I have written my manifesto using this (http://www.tastefullyoffensive.com/2011/03/how-to-write-manifesto.html) as my guideline.
======
Stand up to the Criminals on Wall Street
We have had enough!
We have too long watched as bankers and financiers have played games with our money, our homes, and our lives.
This must stop today.
We must fight.
The robber barons of the 19th Century are back and are willing to do anything, step over any moral line, sell you and your children as chattel so long as it makes them a buck.
End.
Wall Street.
Corruption.
We must make the 1% that controls the majority of the country's wealth pay their fair share.
By raising taxes on people who earn more than they need to live on.
By finding ways to keep working Americans in their homes.
By prosecuting the criminals whose financial charades brought our economy to the brink of ruin.
We were promised that if we worked hard we could not only live good comfortable lives but also pass onto our children the means to do even better than we ourselves had done; we want that promise back.
Ninty-nine.
Requesting permission to share on facebook, with attribution.
Unless stated otherwise my posts to PD are free to use.
Thank you.
Quote from: Nigel on October 11, 2011, 08:39:54 PM
Don't forget what is probably the most important aspect: Ending corporate political contributions and lobbying.
And I'd add to that their "personhood", which supposedly gives them civil rights and the right to
run for political office. I still can't get over that.
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on October 11, 2011, 11:07:08 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 11, 2011, 08:39:54 PM
Don't forget what is probably the most important aspect: Ending corporate political contributions and lobbying.
And I'd add to that their "personhood", which supposedly gives them civil rights and the right to run for political office. I still can't get over that.
President J.P. Morgan?
Quote from: Nigel on October 11, 2011, 08:39:54 PM
Don't forget what is probably the most important aspect: Ending corporate political contributions and lobbying.
OK, gave it a shot. Same format.
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This is not DemocracyIn a democracy the rule is one vote per citizen.
In a corporation it's one vote per share.
Do you know what it takes to get shares?
Nothing but money.
In America corporate interests and political action committees have more influence over your government than you do; this is because they have used more money then you will ever hope to see in your lifetime to buy more shares of our politicians.
Fuck.
That.
Shit.
We need to rein in corporate spending as it pertains to our political system.
Instead of politicians kowtowing to their corporate masters.
Instead of passing laws written by the groups they are meant to regulate.
Instead of selling our natural resources, environment, and well being to the highest bidder.
Our leaders should be working in our best interest; the loss of our support and our votes should be what they fear, not the loss of their corporate sponsorship.
Ninety-nine
Quote from: Nigel on October 11, 2011, 11:23:26 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on October 11, 2011, 11:07:08 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 11, 2011, 08:39:54 PM
Don't forget what is probably the most important aspect: Ending corporate political contributions and lobbying.
And I'd add to that their "personhood", which supposedly gives them civil rights and the right to run for political office. I still can't get over that.
President J.P. Morgan?
I don't think he'll run against our current president, Goldman Sachs.
Quote from: PopeTom on October 11, 2011, 11:23:31 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 11, 2011, 08:39:54 PM
Don't forget what is probably the most important aspect: Ending corporate political contributions and lobbying.
OK, gave it a shot. Same format.
======
This is not Democracy
In a democracy the rule is one vote per citizen.
In a corporation it's one vote per share.
Do you know what it takes to get shares?
Nothing but money.
In America corporate interests and political action committees have more influence over your government than you do; this is because they have used more money then you will ever hope to see in your lifetime to buy more shares of our politicians.
Fuck.
That.
Shit.
We need to rein in corporate spending as it pertains to our political system.
Instead of politicians kowtowing to their corporate masters.
Instead of passing laws written by the groups they are meant to regulate.
Instead of selling our natural resources, environment, and well being to the highest bidder.
Our leaders should be working in our best interest; the loss of our support and our votes should be what they fear, not the loss of their corporate sponsorship.
Ninety-nine
Awesome!
Quote from: kingyak on October 11, 2011, 11:29:08 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 11, 2011, 11:23:26 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on October 11, 2011, 11:07:08 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 11, 2011, 08:39:54 PM
Don't forget what is probably the most important aspect: Ending corporate political contributions and lobbying.
And I'd add to that their "personhood", which supposedly gives them civil rights and the right to run for political office. I still can't get over that.
President J.P. Morgan?
I don't think he'll run against our current president, Goldman Sachs.
Good point. :x
I started a "Restore Democracy" page; please join, and invite your friends! http://www.facebook.com/pages/Restore-Democracy/145255382239667
PopeTom, I altered your manifesto very slightly for the Restore Democracy page; I just removed "fuck that shit" because I don't want to alienate anyone. I hope you don't mind.
Quote from: Nigel on October 11, 2011, 11:44:55 PM
Quote from: kingyak on October 11, 2011, 11:29:08 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 11, 2011, 11:23:26 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on October 11, 2011, 11:07:08 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 11, 2011, 08:39:54 PM
Don't forget what is probably the most important aspect: Ending corporate political contributions and lobbying.
And I'd add to that their "personhood", which supposedly gives them civil rights and the right to run for political office. I still can't get over that.
President J.P. Morgan?
I don't think he'll run against our current president, Goldman Sachs.
Good point. :x
:lulz: Yep.
Quote from: Nigel on October 12, 2011, 02:58:47 AM
PopeTom, I altered your manifesto very slightly for the Restore Democracy page; I just removed "fuck that shit" because I don't want to alienate anyone. I hope you don't mind.
I am aware that some people don't find swearing nearly as FUCKING AWESOME as I do. :)
I'm finding that just attending some of the marches at an Occupy is taking a Shit ton of my time.
Also-I'm starting to think it odd. (not sure-just am)
If it does Indeed go Global, that may sway me one way or the other.
Although, I completely agree with the "End corporate personhood." Will definitely spread the word about the "Restore Democracy" FB page. ;)
But as a whole-I think we're all fucked. Too many sides to a coin.
Just my perspective at the moment.
Quote from: maphdet on October 12, 2011, 05:09:56 AM
I'm finding that just attending some of the marches at an Occupy is taking a Shit ton of my time.
Also-I'm starting to think it odd. (not sure-just am)
If it does Indeed go Global, that may sway me one way or the other.
Although, I completely agree with the "End corporate personhood." Will definitely spread the word about the "Restore Democracy" FB page. ;)
But as a whole-I think we're all fucked. Too many sides to a coin.
Just my perspective at the moment.
Yeah, it seems that way, unless we can get enough discontent people to leave their houses.
Quote from: maphdet on October 12, 2011, 05:09:56 AM
I'm finding that just attending some of the marches at an Occupy is taking a Shit ton of my time.
Also-I'm starting to think it odd. (not sure-just am)
If it does Indeed go Global, that may sway me one way or the other.
Although, I completely agree with the "End corporate personhood." Will definitely spread the word about the "Restore Democracy" FB page. ;)
But as a whole-I think we're all fucked. Too many sides to a coin.
Just my perspective at the moment.
At the very least it frightens Teabaggers.
Not that frightening a Teabagger is exactly difficult. But the pee stain on the front of the pants is a little bigger and more noticeable.
The movement needs defined leaders to unify it.
Quote from: Charley Brown on October 12, 2011, 06:28:35 PM
The movement needs defined leaders to unify it.
I disagree. Occupy is not the movement that will effect change, it's the movement that will galvanize other movements.
Quote from: Charley Brown on October 12, 2011, 06:28:35 PM
The movement needs defined leaders to unify it.
That didn't work out so well in the late 60s/70s.
Abbey Hoffman and his crowd took the movement and made it an ego trip.
Leaders will come to the front, as they always do, but for the moment, it's just a pack of pissed off people venting their spleen.
Quote from: Cain on October 06, 2011, 03:34:49 PM
Probably.
More to network for what comes next than for the event itself, to be honest.
This seems to be the major theme of the movement. I'm viewing the Occupy movement as more of a social networking platform for other groups who want to get stuff done than a movement with goals in and of itself.
And I've been attending the Portland group since day one, though I'm not staying. I'm on the library committee and I've even spoken at the GA a couple times.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 12, 2011, 07:06:20 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on October 12, 2011, 06:28:35 PM
The movement needs defined leaders to unify it.
...it's just a pack of pissed off people venting their spleen.
Spleen
Let us talk about your spleen.
Let us first go over some of its basic functions.
It metabolizes hemoglobin removed from senescent erythrocytes.
Also it recycles iron.
Sometimes you'll notice that our political and financial leaders are realty just a bunch of greedy power hungry assholes that only pretend to care about you so as to position themselves into places of political and/or finical authority; what happens then?
Pressure.
Begins.
Building.
You're spleen may explode!
By venting your rage at the system.
By making your voice heard.
By sleeping in a public park for like a week.
You can reduce the excessive pressure on your spleen and keep it from exploding and thereby live a long life full of love, joy, and Crème brûlée.
Ninety-nine.
***
Didn't want to spag up the boards, figure this is the best spot for this.
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Some (few) events will well and truly bring out the inner truth of a persons motivations and intent from across the world. And these protests have brought out something deep and seemingly unyielding in me. I am a
cynic.There was time when I pursued this in all seriousness without being aware this existed:
QuoteTheir philosophy was that the purpose of life was to live a life of Virtue in agreement with Nature. This meant rejecting all conventional desires for wealth, power, health, and fame, and by living a simple life free from all possessions. As reasoning creatures, people could gain happiness by rigorous training and by living in a way which was natural for humans. They believed that the world belonged equally to everyone, and that suffering was caused by false judgments of what was valuable and by the worthless customs and conventions which surrounded society.
Silly, yeah. But kinda funny seeing as how my current worldviews are always considered cynical. Me, I'm always laughing or raging, either one as fun as the other. For me it's all about having a good time. At least, that's what I tell myself.
So when I first see a bunch of hippies whining with signs I giggle. Then when I see this thing gaining momentum, building up speed, swallowing up even the most ardent cynics around me in boisterous enthusiasm, something begins to rattle around inside me.
You'll see one asshole that said he's would not attend. That's me. I would not. Why? What these people are trying to accomplish is in no way in line with what I want. Something seems wrong about that, there probably is something wrong about that. I can understand the need to make the world admit that bankers have fucked us (again). Hell, I'm all about that. And I'm all for the little people getting the things they need in life to make life worth living.
AND I'm sure I'm engaging in some kind of fallacy when I say FUCK THESE ASSHOLES.
What exactly do they/we/you want? To get back to...what? To a comfortable place where we can continue fucking the world at leisure to maintain this hideous lifestyle? Maybe I'm too far removed from the US to understand this thing but the economy I see crashing DISGUSTS me. I don't WANT the economy to be fixed. I want it to crash and burn so hard our whole way of life changes because our whole way of life is sickening to me and for it get right again we need to burn this shit to the ground and try again. Or not. My point is if all this is to regain some status quo that has fucked the world for some time...I can't really get all that excited about it. Actually I just get angry.
Is it wrong what these bankers have done? Well, of course.
Is it wrong for police to mace and taze these people? Duh.
It it good that someone, somewhere is doing something, fighting for things they believe in? Heck yes.
Do I want us to reach some civilized discourse with these bankers and the government? Nope. I want these CEO's dragged out into the street, along with their Senator and Congressmanandwomen friends, and beaten with tire irons. I don't want Wall St occupied, I want it burnt to the ground and a daycare put in its place. FIGHT!
I may be a cynic, but I am not apathetic. But this fight is not mine.
I may be wrong about this, I might be missing some vital point, and there is a strong possibility that I have some deep, misguided bias in regard to this issue. I am open to new ideas.
Also, it's cold outside. The only reason I would stand around in that kind of weather is obnoxious mockery of everyone involved which is something I can get right behind.
Quote from: Alty on October 13, 2011, 04:29:58 AM
What exactly do they/we/you want? To get back to...what? To a comfortable place where we can continue fucking the world at leisure to maintain this hideous lifestyle? Maybe I'm too far removed from the US to understand this thing but the economy I see crashing DISGUSTS me. I don't WANT the economy to be fixed. I want it to crash and burn so hard our whole way of life changes because our whole way of life is sickening to me and for it get right again we need to burn this shit to the ground and try again. Or not. My point is if all this is to regain some status quo that has fucked the world for some time...I can't really get all that excited about it. Actually I just get angry.
I actually agree with this bolded part. The way I've been putting it for years now is, "Gotta burn the fields to make the soil rich enough for new grass to grow." I want the old system to come to an end. I want something entirely different to take its place.
I've met people at the Occupy movement who agree with me. There are others who want other things. Occupy Portland, at least, seems more about having the conversation than rushing out and trying to fix things before we've all agreed on what exactly is wrong... but there is a strong desire to fix things, whatever that means, that seems to permeate the community.
More than anything, it reminds me of this:
If you want in on the Discordian Society
then declare yourself what you wish
do what you like
and tell us about it
or if you prefer
don't.
There are no rules anywhere.
The Goddess Prevails.
QuoteThe way I've been putting it for years now is, "Gotta burn the fields to make the soil rich enough for new grass to grow."
Just as an aside, slash and burn actually destroys a piece of land after a few years, so this turn of phrase is really off putting to me.
Quote from: Science me, babby on October 13, 2011, 05:37:20 PM
QuoteThe way I've been putting it for years now is, "Gotta burn the fields to make the soil rich enough for new grass to grow."
Just as an aside, slash and burn actually destroys a piece of land after a few years, so this turn of phrase is really off putting to me.
They burn the prairie grass around here every year to renew the soil and the grass.
In Australia too, limited bushfires are necessary for ecological stability.
Quote from: Charley Brown on October 13, 2011, 05:52:14 PM
Quote from: Science me, babby on October 13, 2011, 05:37:20 PM
QuoteThe way I've been putting it for years now is, "Gotta burn the fields to make the soil rich enough for new grass to grow."
Just as an aside, slash and burn actually destroys a piece of land after a few years, so this turn of phrase is really off putting to me.
They burn the prairie grass around here every year to renew the soil and the grass.
Field fires and underbrush burns are different. Slash and burn refers to the practice of cutting down everything in a wooded area, letting it dry over the summer, and then setting it on fire in order to clear the land. It's monumentally destructive and areas cleared using this method often lack the soil thickness and quality to remain arable, and are highly susceptible to topsoil wash and depletion.
The term itself is nearly blasphemous in areas like the Northwest, where thousands of acres have been destroyed and devastating mudslides caused by slash and burn clearing. It doesn't really have a positive connotation at all.
Quote from: Nigel on October 13, 2011, 06:11:31 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on October 13, 2011, 05:52:14 PM
Quote from: Science me, babby on October 13, 2011, 05:37:20 PM
QuoteThe way I've been putting it for years now is, "Gotta burn the fields to make the soil rich enough for new grass to grow."
Just as an aside, slash and burn actually destroys a piece of land after a few years, so this turn of phrase is really off putting to me.
They burn the prairie grass around here every year to renew the soil and the grass.
Field fires and underbrush burns are different. Slash and burn refers to the practice of cutting down everything in a wooded area, letting it dry over the summer, and then setting it on fire in order to clear the land. It's monumentally destructive and areas cleared using this method often lack the soil thickness and quality to remain arable, and are highly susceptible to topsoil wash and depletion.
The term itself is nearly blasphemous in areas like the Northwest, where thousands of acres have been destroyed and devastating mudslides caused by slash and burn clearing. It doesn't really have a positive connotation at all.
Okay, that makes sense.
Quote from: Charley Brown on October 13, 2011, 05:52:14 PM
Quote from: Science me, babby on October 13, 2011, 05:37:20 PM
QuoteThe way I've been putting it for years now is, "Gotta burn the fields to make the soil rich enough for new grass to grow."
Just as an aside, slash and burn actually destroys a piece of land after a few years, so this turn of phrase is really off putting to me.
They burn the prairie grass around here every year to renew the soil and the grass.
This is what I'm thinking of. I grew up in northern Idaho where burning the prairies every once in a while so the soil would be renewed was common.
Now that I think about it, I would say 99% of my lawn is grass and 1% is nutrient sucking weeds.
Been a while since I posted anything here really. been trying to lurk moar, but the manifesto template made me wanna take a crack.
Look at the world around you.
Look at the things you have made for yourselves,
and look at the parts of it that are your bondage.
Debts and lies, lies, lies: these are your chains.
You must break them!
Do not believe the words of the craven,
brutal plutocrats that seek to enslave you,
yet laugh at you because you believe that you are free.
You
Remain
Slaves
Seek the walls of your prison and make it yours!
With a mind unclouded,
With the tools at your disposal
With fists against the walls if need be!
Your freedom is yours,
and you have only to take it for yourself
with no shame, or fear,
and certainty that a better world can be made
if you only are willing to sacrifice your comfort to build it!
Reforge!!
I tried to borrow a cup of spirit from the BIP and Dr. Reich.
I will almost definitely be at Occupy Milwaukee. If all goes well I'll come back with thoughts on the movement to share here.
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So, I attended Occupy Milwaukee and did lots of audio recordings. I am unsure what board to post them to, so I'm just going to set them up in Multimedia Menace. The content could easily fit to several of the boards. This was my first protest, and it was truly insightful, inspiring even. The files are loaded on Kiwi6.com. Should have the thread put together in just a bit.
Quote from: Nigel on October 12, 2011, 06:26:50 PM
Quote from: maphdet on October 12, 2011, 05:09:56 AM
I'm finding that just attending some of the marches at an Occupy is taking a Shit ton of my time.
Also-I'm starting to think it odd. (not sure-just am)
If it does Indeed go Global, that may sway me one way or the other.
Although, I completely agree with the "End corporate personhood." Will definitely spread the word about the "Restore Democracy" FB page. ;)
But as a whole-I think we're all fucked. Too many sides to a coin.
Just my perspective at the moment.
Yeah, it seems that way, unless we can get enough discontent people to leave their houses.
They are leaving their houses but Not as many as needed. Thing is Unless you are on a social network or online alot. You most likely have not even Heard of any OCCUPY movement. I say this because ALOT of people I run into and ask them about it, have no idea what Im talking about. Once I tell them a little about what the hell is going on, Most All Agree that it is a good start to voice up.
My solution to this is to advertise the movement. (although I still have doubts about the movement itself.) By Advertising I mean simply stick a sign in your car's window shield-front or back (yes, you may risk getting a ticket for obstruction of view or whatnot). OR another way I have advertised is - if I go to a convenient store that I frequent, buy something. Then go to the intersection, holding up a sign of the next or ongoing Occupy event going on nearby. Only for about 10-15 mins. or so. Does not take much time outta the trip to the store and really is effective. Peeps are looking at the sign I hold up. ;)
The Rest of the world has had Many Thousands, show up to the 15 Occupy event. Although, I feel this is due to the fact that the Rest of the World is not new to protesting and the people have been doing this for a while and so getting the numbers out there is not as difficult as it is in the states.
We'll see.
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on October 12, 2011, 06:27:54 PM
Quote from: maphdet on October 12, 2011, 05:09:56 AM
I'm finding that just attending some of the marches at an Occupy is taking a Shit ton of my time.
Also-I'm starting to think it odd. (not sure-just am)
If it does Indeed go Global, that may sway me one way or the other.
Although, I completely agree with the "End corporate personhood." Will definitely spread the word about the "Restore Democracy" FB page. ;)
But as a whole-I think we're all fucked. Too many sides to a coin.
Just my perspective at the moment.
At the very least it frightens Teabaggers.
Not that frightening a Teabagger is exactly difficult. But the pee stain on the front of the pants is a little bigger and more noticeable.
:lulz:
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Also-For those that HAVE been to the protests...Have you noticed that MOST of the time is spent discussing verses actually Marching/Protesting the districts.
Hell they are not even calling it a Protest...Seems they are called "Assemblies". (flip coin-legality issues as to way the word assemblies is being used. maybe)
I like the idea of everyone being fed up and standing up. Im skeptical of how each of these movements use the 'General Assembly" and the motives behind the Occupy movement. There a few things that just do not sit right with me. It is almost as if the "assemblers are there to ensure that peeps do not march and protest as much as needed. Rather keeping them ALL CALM and engaged in conversation withing the 'group', almost as so not to have the peeps-marching/protesting continuously. (see when you DO March And Protest-You can FEEL the Energy Move and the Momentum just builds and builds.) Maybe they ('the assemblers' are placed there to keep the peeps in check and humor ((or keep them from fucking shit up too maybe))them). Just a though and observance. But again This may go back to the coin having many sides. maybe. Or it can simply be the way I see it here at the Occupy movement I have been attending. *shrugs in question* Maybe I just am in the minority and question whether Democracy really works realistically.
Also-the park that occupiers are occupying in Wall St., owned by:
Brookfield Office Properties.
QuoteBrookfield Office Properties. Brookfield Office Properties owns, develops and manages premier office properties in the United States, Canada and Australia. Its portfolio is comprised of interests in 110 properties totaling 79 million square feet in the downtown cores of New York, Washington, D.C., Houston, Los Angeles, Toronto, Calgary, Ottawa, Sydney, Melbourne and Perth, making it the global leader in the ownership and management of office assets. Landmark properties include the World Financial Center in Manhattan, Brookfield Place in Toronto, Bank of America Plaza in Los Angeles, Bankers Hall in Calgary, Darling Park in Sydney and City Square in Perth. The company's common shares trade on the NYSE and TSX under the symbol BPO. link (http://www.brookfieldofficeproperties.com/content/2011_news_releases/brookfield_office_properties_acquires_three_bethes-29550.html)
My question/doubts about the park, is why would such a supporting firm of Big Corp or a reliant firm from these corps, allow the Occupy Movement to stay there.
Also-Why would elected officials warn that they would 'make their life more difficult' (their being Brookfield)
Quote"My understanding is Brookfield got calls from many elected officials threatening them and saying if you don't stop this we will make your life more difficult," the mayor told John Gambling on his weekly radio show. "If those elected officials spend half as much time trying to promote the city and get jobs to come here we would go a long ways to answering the concerns of the protesters." link (http://www.politickerny.com/2011/10/14/bloomberg-lawmakers-threatened-brookfield-clean-up-still-to-come)
Doesn't settle too well with me. What are the motives of these elected officials? Even if they are humanitarian, You can bet your ass there are motives behind this (I suspect). And also what are the motives of Brookfield, (a firm so closely related to big corps) in supporting the Occupy Movement.
Still throwing this around in my head. However, for now I will continue to support this.
Just sharing my thoughts and such about this is all. I've been to a few of the protests and thought I'd give my 2 cents worth. (ha-back to money). LoL
;)