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Principia Discordia => Techmology and Scientism => Topic started by: Rumckle on October 15, 2011, 04:05:06 AM

Title: eReaders
Post by: Rumckle on October 15, 2011, 04:05:06 AM
So I'm thinking of getting an eReader, and seeing as though a few people around here have them/know about technology, I thought I'd ask your opinions on them. I was thinking of getting a Sony because I've heard that they are pretty good, but after the PSN hacking and TOS thing, I'm not certain, they do use third party online stores, but still...

So do any of you have advice? I mainly want it for textbooks and science papers (but I also would like to be able to buy eBooks), so I need to be able to easily upload PDFs to it, also I don't need 3G connectivity.

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: eReaders
Post by: Salty on October 15, 2011, 08:12:13 AM
While the nook simple is AWESOME i can't recommend it for pdf and textbooks, though that's mostly what i use it for. The formatting is jarring, images don't load right. I have to use my PC to get an accurate feel for diagrams. I don't really mind since its mostly the text i wanna absorb and it works fine in a pinch, plus the battery life is awesome. But if that's what you mainly want it for, and don't mind much shorter battery life, and have the cash, the nook color is probably a better bet.
Title: Re: eReaders
Post by: Salty on October 15, 2011, 08:16:18 AM
The nook simple also does not allow you to make notations.
Title: Re: eReaders
Post by: Faust on October 15, 2011, 10:25:15 AM
I have the Sony reader, it is by far the slowest of all readers at rendering a page but will take a lot of different formats.
There are better alternatives out there then the sony one.
Title: Re: eReaders
Post by: Luna on October 15, 2011, 10:47:14 AM
I have a Kindle, and adore it.  It will handle a .PDF file, however, it can be a pain in the ass to read.  (Example, I have a couple RPG books in .pdf format.  I tried 'em on the Kindle, to have them for easy reference, but they were all but impossible to use.  Finding anything was a royal pain, and the print wound up too small to read.)  The kindle will take a .mobi format, which you can convert a number of other formats into using a free program called calibre.
Title: Re: eReaders
Post by: Cain on October 15, 2011, 12:00:06 PM
I also have a Kindle, it seems to work pretty well.

It is easy to upload PDFs, but they are not necessarily easy to read, as it will display one whole page on the screen, and then you will have to zoom in to be able to read it.  Not ideal.

You can use the free program, Calibre, as Luna suggests, and convert files to the .mobi format.  The one downside I've discovered with that is, for citation heavy pieces of work, after every citation, it tends to break and start a new line, which can be very annoying (Calibre may fix this, eventually.  The program is a work in progress, and continually improving).  On the other hand, it is very easy to highlight passages and write notes.
Title: Re: eReaders
Post by: Luna on October 15, 2011, 12:10:05 PM
PDF to Mobi works fine for books, but for graphics heavy stuff (like RPG books, or, possibly, scientific texts with a shit-ton of illustrations and notations), it's a little more iffy.  Though, I haven't tried in a dozen or so upgrades of Calibre.  As Cain said, it's always updating and improving...  I'll have to give it another shot.
Title: Re: eReaders
Post by: Cain on October 15, 2011, 12:18:03 PM
I've found it can handle some graphical rendering quite well...it depends on the quality of the source file, though.  RPG books are usually scanned, and so not ideal for that (I have some scanned obscure books on strategy, and they turned out awful).

For instance, I coverted The Storm of War, a recent history of WWII, which has a ton of maps of the various WWII campaigns.  Each one of them came out beautifully.  Couldn't really zoom in on them, which was slightly annoying, but they were detailed and the Kindle did not struggle with them.
Title: Re: eReaders
Post by: Luna on October 15, 2011, 12:27:54 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 15, 2011, 12:18:03 PM
I've found it can handle some graphical rendering quite well...it depends on the quality of the source file, though.  RPG books are usually scanned, and so not ideal for that (I have some scanned obscure books on strategy, and they turned out awful).

For instance, I coverted The Storm of War, a recent history of WWII, which has a ton of maps of the various WWII campaigns.  Each one of them came out beautifully.  Couldn't really zoom in on them, which was slightly annoying, but they were detailed and the Kindle did not struggle with them.

Quite possible it's the source file.  I haven't played with many of them, I mostly use my kindle for reading for pleasure, not so much classwork (though the year I found two of the three texts for a class on the kindle, I saved a BUNDLE.)
Title: Re: eReaders
Post by: Cain on October 15, 2011, 01:45:34 PM
I'm pretty sure it is.  So long as the pdf is a relatively small file (1-20 MB in size) it seems to handle the conversion to .mobi and display on the Kindle really well.

Anything above that, and things get....iffy.
Title: Re: eReaders
Post by: bds on October 15, 2011, 05:42:08 PM
i adore my Kindle. the UI on the device itself is well thought out and does a great job of getting out of the way, and there are a few cool hacks you can do regarding the screensavers (and there are different custom firmwares out there that apparently do a better job with some pdfs and such). the thing that I love about it the most is just how EASY and fast it is to buy a book, even just using the Amazon Store on the Kindle itself. the ease of use has certainly got me spending a lot more money on books than I used to
Title: Re: eReaders
Post by: Jasper on October 15, 2011, 06:31:32 PM
My nook does everything I ask it to, but that's because I don't ask it to show me PDFs with graphics.  If you can stick to text-only PDFs, or better yet epub files, then it's good.

Still not a fan of the screen at the bottom, but it's not heinous.
Title: Re: eReaders
Post by: Salty on October 15, 2011, 08:17:52 PM
I didn't know how the kindle handled PDF. In that case I'd say i favor the nook simple then. The text portions of the PDF gets broken down and formatted to fit the screen so no zooming is necassary. 

The e-ink touchscreen works very well.
I'm hoping future software updates will include notations.
Title: Re: eReaders
Post by: Triple Zero on October 15, 2011, 08:25:11 PM
Quote from: Alty on October 15, 2011, 08:17:52 PM
The e-ink touchscreen works very well.

How do you avoid getting e-ink all over your fingers?
Title: Re: eReaders
Post by: Salty on October 15, 2011, 08:31:31 PM
I use refreshing moist wipes.
Title: Re: eReaders
Post by: Luna on October 15, 2011, 08:47:25 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 15, 2011, 08:25:11 PM
Quote from: Alty on October 15, 2011, 08:17:52 PM
The e-ink touchscreen works very well.

How do you avoid getting e-ink all over your fingers?

Delicate, ladylike gloves.
Title: Re: eReaders
Post by: Juana on October 16, 2011, 03:24:40 AM
The FoxIt eSlick is...eh. the screen (also e-ink) is like reading a paper page almost and the battery is good, but it only handles pdfs, rich text, and one or two other really super basic formats. Images are iffy, and it's ONLY black and white. Customer service is quick but awful, the forum isn't very useful, and the cord makes things slow as HELL to load. But you can use the SD card to load elsewhere and the wall jack it comes with is really neat (you can take it apart, which is really useful).
Title: Re: eReaders
Post by: Don Coyote on October 16, 2011, 04:01:32 AM
currently on my 3rd kindle. the first lasted nearly a year,the second a few weeks. it's nice, and if your kindle craps out, you can easily get a replacement sent to you for free with free shipping of the borked one.

if you are planning on using an ereader for texts books you might look into the kindle deleux. huuuuge screen, but it's pricy.
Title: Re: eReaders
Post by: Luna on October 16, 2011, 04:04:18 AM
The new one is color.  I'm waiting to hear how the screen looks, if it's still relatively glare-free, and if it chews the battery life.
Title: Re: eReaders
Post by: Rumckle on October 16, 2011, 06:17:43 AM
Awesome, thanks for the advice guys!
Title: Re: eReaders
Post by: Triple Zero on October 16, 2011, 12:41:30 PM
Quote from: Luna on October 16, 2011, 04:04:18 AM
The new one is color.  I'm waiting to hear how the screen looks, if it's still relatively glare-free, and if it chews the battery life.

It's backlit LCD like a regular screen, not e-ink. Amazon even removed the praise of how their e-ink is awesome (http://mikecanex.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/kindle090611eink.jpg) from their product page.





Anyway, from what I'm hearing so far ITT, none of the eReaders seem to be quite "perfect", are they?

Cause I also kind of want one, but every time I hear people talk about a specific model I keep hearing "it can't do this, it can't do that".

I guess what I'm basically looking for is not an eReader, but a tablet with an e-ink screen :)
Title: Re: eReaders
Post by: Cain on October 16, 2011, 12:47:02 PM
And a longer battery life. Cuz seriously, I will say this much in favour of the Kindle - the battery life is amazing.  I charge mine about once a month.
Title: Re: eReaders
Post by: Luna on October 16, 2011, 01:12:42 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 16, 2011, 12:47:02 PM
And a longer battery life. Cuz seriously, I will say this much in favour of the Kindle - the battery life is amazing.  I charge mine about once a month.

THIS.  Mine gets charged a little more often, but I now have a commute of an hour and a half, each, way, on the bus.  (Even when I DO replace my car, I may continue using the bus, just for the time I get to relax and read, instead of stress and drive.)
Title: Re: eReaders
Post by: Faust on October 16, 2011, 06:20:42 PM
Same here with the Sony reader. Once a month is all it needs for casual browsing.
The iPad gets about four hours max. However the iPad is the best comic book reader there is.
Title: Re: eReaders
Post by: Jasper on October 18, 2011, 03:43:26 PM
For some reason my nook seems to lose its battery life even when not in use.  I thought it was supposed to have an ARM proc and therefore waste little energy idling.  Guess not? 

Too lazy to check now, point is it loses juice sitting still.