Guys pants: 34X34 ---> 34 inch inseam, 34 inch waist.
Women: Size 0.
What the fuck is a size 0? And why do normal looking people wear a 7-10? Am I right in that? Do you need to have two ribs removed and a vacation at Dachau to get in a size 1? This shit has to be deliberate.
It gets better: Women's sizes are not standard. One company's size 6 is another company's size 9.
My personal belief is that it's a male conspiracy to keep women body-obsessed, shamed, and self-critical so they don't all get together and take over the world.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 19, 2011, 07:54:08 PM
It gets better: Women's sizes are not standard. One company's size 6 is another company's size 9.
My personal belief is that it's a male conspiracy to keep women body-obsessed, shamed, and self-critical so they don't all get together and take over the world.
My belief is that women are involved, too. But yeah, if you've ever seen the cover of
Cosmopolitan Magazine, the "standard" that's set is laughable. If a woman doesn't look like a 14 year old boy, she's a fatass, right?
And people will not even try to meet a standard like that. They'll just give up and buy a mobility scooter.
Marketing. They figure that if I fit into a size 8 in their competitor's clothes, but a size 6 in THEIRS, I am fucking stupid enough to buy the smaller size, because skinnier is better. (And there is no fucking way I would fit in either. I enjoy food, I enjoy beer, and, while I wouldn't mind dropping some weight, I ain't bothered enoigh to torture myself by denying myself either. If a man can't see past my oversized ass to see ME, he doesn't deserve me, anyway.)
:lulz:
What's hilarious, too, is that with "vanity" sizing, what's now a size 6 would have been a size 18 60 years ago.
It varies so much even within brands that you HAVE to try on clothes in order to find the right size; you can't just yoink one off the rack and call it good.
It's pretty ridiculous when the "plus-size" models are six feet tall and wear a size 12. "Plus size", in modeling terms, seems to mean "Looks like a healthy fit woman with boobs and hips".
There are girls who are naturally tiny, and they deserve to be able to buy clothes too; my friend Angel is a size 2 (used to be a size 0) solely because she has the bone structure of a hummingbird; her waist must be 22", it's so tiny. She doesn't diet, she eats meat and drinks beer, and she plays softball; she's no wimp, but her wrists are about the size of my thumbs. She's totally normal, for her, but she's not a very good ideal for women to hold themselves to, anymore than DD tits are a good ideal... everyone's body is different, it's not like any one height/build is "perfect". They could adhere to averages, but instead they seem intent on using some arbitrary dimensions that make no sense. Why are all pants TOO FUCKING LONG for me? Why can't I just buy pants in waist/length, like guys do? Why can't my extremely busty friends buy shirts that don't make them look fat?
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 19, 2011, 07:45:27 PM
Guys pants: 34X34 ---> 34 inch inseam, 34 inch waist.
Women: Size 0.
What the fuck is a size 0? And why do normal looking people wear a 7-10? Am I right in that? Do you need to have two ribs removed and a vacation at Dachau to get in a size 1? This shit has to be deliberate.
Men's sizes are also fucked. I wear a 34x34, but my waist, or hips or whereever the fuck they think my trousers are supposed to sit, are actually 35-37 inches. I wear medium ACU jackets but large undershirts, but small t-shirts. I have a large leather jacket that I swim in, and a medium jacket that is just barely the right size. Sometimes I wear small socks, and other times large socks.
It can be really hard to get past the idea of "not being good enough", too. My body image took a massive hit during my last relationship, for reasons too numerous to go into. But that's ridiculous; I have a great body, I'm fit and active. But it's not a rail-thin 22-year-old body with firm everything. I'm seriously paranoid about not being found attractive, now, just because of my age. Even though I KNOW that lots of guys find women my age attractive. Even though the guy before ML was the exact opposite in terms of making me feel like the hottest thing on the planet.
Sorry, personal venting.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 19, 2011, 07:56:58 PM
My belief is that women are involved, too. But yeah, if you've ever seen the cover of Cosmopolitan Magazine, the "standard" that's set is laughable. If a woman doesn't look like a 14 year old boy, she's a fatass, right?
I forget who said this originally ----
Every single article in cosmo could be replaced with the phrase "GIVE SEX TO YOUR MAN AND DONT BE FAT"
My ex-gf said that a lot of the cosmo staff were actually guys writing under pen names. That wouldn't surprise me if it turned out to be true.
QuoteAnd people will not even try to meet a standard like that. They'll just give up and buy a mobility scooter.
sadly, there are tons of completely attractive girls out there that are lugging around tons of shame and low self-worth because of that unrealistic garbage.
Quote from: Nigel on October 19, 2011, 08:17:33 PM
It can be really hard to get past the idea of "not being good enough", too. My body image took a massive hit during my last relationship, for reasons too numerous to go into. But that's ridiculous; I have a great body, I'm fit and active. But it's not a rail-thin 22-year-old body with firm everything. I'm seriously paranoid about not being found attractive, now, just because of my age. Even though I KNOW that lots of guys find women my age attractive. Even though the guy before ML was the exact opposite in terms of making me feel like the hottest thing on the planet.
Sorry, personal venting.
Vent away. I'm with ya, here.
I compensate by mostly not giving a flying fuck.
Quote from: Donald Coyote on October 19, 2011, 08:15:51 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 19, 2011, 07:45:27 PM
Guys pants: 34X34 ---> 34 inch inseam, 34 inch waist.
Women: Size 0.
What the fuck is a size 0? And why do normal looking people wear a 7-10? Am I right in that? Do you need to have two ribs removed and a vacation at Dachau to get in a size 1?
This shit has to be deliberate.
Men's sizes are also fucked. I wear a 34x34, but my waist, or hips or whereever the fuck they think my trousers are supposed to sit, are actually 35-37 inches. I wear medium ACU jackets but large undershirts, but small t-shirts. I have a large leather jacket that I swim in, and a medium jacket that is just barely the right size. Sometimes I wear small socks, and other times large socks.
For a minute there, I was like "why the fuck would anyone wear a leather jacket while swimming?"
My self worth and confidence are not heavily tied into my looks, which is fortunate because I will never ever be that Ideal. I spent the time that other girls my age were worrying about boys and being skinny focusing on an academic event where the way I looked, as long as I was dressed professionally, was secondary to what I could do.
So mostly, I do what Luna does and not give a shit.
Quote from: Cramulus on October 19, 2011, 08:17:56 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 19, 2011, 07:56:58 PM
My belief is that women are involved, too. But yeah, if you've ever seen the cover of Cosmopolitan Magazine, the "standard" that's set is laughable. If a woman doesn't look like a 14 year old boy, she's a fatass, right?
I forget who said this originally ----
Every single article in cosmo could be replaced with the phrase "GIVE SEX TO YOUR MAN AND DONT BE FAT"
My ex-gf said that a lot of the cosmo staff were actually guys writing under pen names. That wouldn't surprise me if it turned out to be true.
That makes a lot of sense. And is also kind of creepily Stepfordian.
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on October 19, 2011, 09:36:14 PM
My self worth and confidence are not heavily tied into my looks, which is fortunate because I will never ever be that Ideal.
Heh. You have an excellent figure. You just have skinny skinny boys all around you.
Women aren't supposed to look like an exclamation point.
Just saying.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 19, 2011, 09:44:27 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on October 19, 2011, 09:36:14 PM
My self worth and confidence are not heavily tied into my looks, which is fortunate because I will never ever be that Ideal.
Heh. You have an excellent figure. You just have skinny skinny boys all around you.
Women aren't supposed to look like an exclamation point.
Just saying.
This.
I was gonna post some pics saying this is what a real woman looks like and this isn't etc. But then i realised this may just lead to different unrealistic expectations so i will just leave it at this:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/--n-Jle-p3vw/Tp85pawO0vI/AAAAAAAAAUw/LrFbfwAhvT0/s563/Skinny%252520Girl.jpg)
This not attractive.
Pic is borked, I think.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 19, 2011, 09:44:27 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on October 19, 2011, 09:36:14 PM
My self worth and confidence are not heavily tied into my looks, which is fortunate because I will never ever be that Ideal.
Heh. You have an excellent figure. You just have skinny skinny boys all around you.
Women aren't supposed to look like an exclamation point.
Just saying.
Thanks. :3
Quote from: Regret on October 19, 2011, 09:59:47 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 19, 2011, 09:44:27 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on October 19, 2011, 09:36:14 PM
My self worth and confidence are not heavily tied into my looks, which is fortunate because I will never ever be that Ideal.
Heh. You have an excellent figure. You just have skinny skinny boys all around you.
Women aren't supposed to look like an exclamation point.
Just saying.
This.
I was gonna post some pics saying this is what a real woman looks like and this isn't etc. But then i realised this may just lead to different unrealistic expectations so i will just leave it at this:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/--n-Jle-p3vw/Tp85pawO0vI/AAAAAAAAAUw/LrFbfwAhvT0/s563/Skinny%252520Girl.jpg)
This not attractive.
I dunno what you're talking about, that is a minus sign, and math is sexy as shit!
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on October 19, 2011, 10:01:12 PM
Pic is borked, I think.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 19, 2011, 09:44:27 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on October 19, 2011, 09:36:14 PM
My self worth and confidence are not heavily tied into my looks, which is fortunate because I will never ever be that Ideal.
Heh. You have an excellent figure. You just have skinny skinny boys all around you.
Women aren't supposed to look like an exclamation point.
Just saying.
Thanks. :3
No problem. You've got the sort of build that would get me all dizzy & confused, if you weren't less than half my age.
Quote from: Regret on October 19, 2011, 09:59:47 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 19, 2011, 09:44:27 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on October 19, 2011, 09:36:14 PM
My self worth and confidence are not heavily tied into my looks, which is fortunate because I will never ever be that Ideal.
Heh. You have an excellent figure. You just have skinny skinny boys all around you.
Women aren't supposed to look like an exclamation point.
Just saying.
This.
I was gonna post some pics saying this is what a real woman looks like and this isn't etc. But then i realised this may just lead to different unrealistic expectations so i will just leave it at this:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/--n-Jle-p3vw/Tp85pawO0vI/AAAAAAAAAUw/LrFbfwAhvT0/s563/Skinny%252520Girl.jpg)
This not attractive.
:lulz:
I hate shopping for pants.
:kojak:
Clothes shopping is kind of :? for me, but trying stuff on is fun. I don't think it's even possible to explain clothes sizes, EXCEPT for bras. The sizing is generally universal with respect to bras, and pretty straightforward.
Taking things off and putting them on repeatedly feels oppressive and awful to me. I hate it. That's why when I find a thing that fits, I buy ten of them.
Quote from: Nigel on October 19, 2011, 10:38:08 PM
Taking things off and putting them on repeatedly feels oppressive and awful to me. I hate it. That's why when I find a thing that fits, I buy ten of them.
I had the same problem with penis-gourds in New Guinea. IT spurred me to reject the traditional tribal life and seek a less dick- containing set of pants in the foreign lands.
Quote from: Richter on October 19, 2011, 10:44:13 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 19, 2011, 10:38:08 PM
Taking things off and putting them on repeatedly feels oppressive and awful to me. I hate it. That's why when I find a thing that fits, I buy ten of them.
I had the same problem with penis-gourds in New Guinea. IT spurred me to reject the traditional tribal life and seek a less dick- containing set of pants in the foreign lands.
GIVE ME BACK MY DRUGS
Quote from: Richter on October 19, 2011, 10:44:13 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 19, 2011, 10:38:08 PM
Taking things off and putting them on repeatedly feels oppressive and awful to me. I hate it. That's why when I find a thing that fits, I buy ten of them.
I had the same problem with penis-gourds in New Guinea. IT spurred me to reject the traditional tribal life and seek a less dick- containing set of pants in the foreign lands.
:lulz:
Quote from: Richter on October 19, 2011, 10:44:13 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 19, 2011, 10:38:08 PM
Taking things off and putting them on repeatedly feels oppressive and awful to me. I hate it. That's why when I find a thing that fits, I buy ten of them.
I had the same problem with penis-gourds in New Guinea. IT spurred me to reject the traditional tribal life and seek a less dick- containing set of pants in the foreign lands.
Should've brought some of those gourds back with you for fencing practice. :lol:
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 19, 2011, 10:49:03 PM
Quote from: Richter on October 19, 2011, 10:44:13 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 19, 2011, 10:38:08 PM
Taking things off and putting them on repeatedly feels oppressive and awful to me. I hate it. That's why when I find a thing that fits, I buy ten of them.
I had the same problem with penis-gourds in New Guinea. IT spurred me to reject the traditional tribal life and seek a less dick- containing set of pants in the foreign lands.
GIVE ME BACK MY DRUGS
MY TRIBE USES ALL PARTS OF THE CHEESECAKE. THE WHITE MAN ONLY SKINS IT AND LEAVES THE REST TO ROT ON THE PRAIRIE.
Quote from: Richter on October 19, 2011, 11:18:04 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 19, 2011, 10:49:03 PM
Quote from: Richter on October 19, 2011, 10:44:13 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 19, 2011, 10:38:08 PM
Taking things off and putting them on repeatedly feels oppressive and awful to me. I hate it. That's why when I find a thing that fits, I buy ten of them.
I had the same problem with penis-gourds in New Guinea. IT spurred me to reject the traditional tribal life and seek a less dick- containing set of pants in the foreign lands.
GIVE ME BACK MY DRUGS
MY TRIBE USES ALL PARTS OF THE CHEESECAKE. THE WHITE MAN ONLY SKINS IT AND LEAVES THE REST TO ROT ON THE PRAIRIE.
Can't...stop...laughing....
Quote from: Richter on October 19, 2011, 11:18:04 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 19, 2011, 10:49:03 PM
Quote from: Richter on October 19, 2011, 10:44:13 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 19, 2011, 10:38:08 PM
Taking things off and putting them on repeatedly feels oppressive and awful to me. I hate it. That's why when I find a thing that fits, I buy ten of them.
I had the same problem with penis-gourds in New Guinea. IT spurred me to reject the traditional tribal life and seek a less dick- containing set of pants in the foreign lands.
GIVE ME BACK MY DRUGS
MY TRIBE USES ALL PARTS OF THE CHEESECAKE. THE WHITE MAN ONLY SKINS IT AND LEAVES THE REST TO ROT ON THE PRAIRIE.
OK, who broke Richter? :lulz:
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 19, 2011, 09:44:27 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on October 19, 2011, 09:36:14 PM
My self worth and confidence are not heavily tied into my looks, which is fortunate because I will never ever be that Ideal.
Heh. You have an excellent figure. You just have skinny skinny boys all around you.
Women aren't supposed to look like an exclamation point.
Just saying.
Rant incoming. You have been warned.
Okay, I know that my body type is relatively atyptical, but-umm, I'm a woman (I bleed once a month and am hopefully somewhat fertile, though as yet it hasn't been tested) and I look like an exclamation point. I can't do shit about it. When I'm 30 pounds heavier than my current weight, I'm an exclamation point with big thighs. So fuck anybody who calls me "naturally skinny." Nature has nothing to do with me getting on a treadmill 4-6 times a week for my own cardiovascular health. Nature has nothing to do with me ignoring the fact that I'm fucking starving and ready to kill a motherfucker for the visceral pleasure of devouring a freshly-made corpse.
I try not to pay attention to sizings at various clothing outlets. At one place I'm a size 8, others, I'm a size 2. If you're being realistic, it's all bullshit. Women have curves of varying degrees (men do too, but it's less acknowledged). Anybody designing clothes will inevitably run into the "one-size-fits-all fits nobody well" problem.
Just try to enjoy the size nature intended you to be. And if you can avoid jacking up my health insurance in the process, THANK YOU.
Can I borrow some of that metabolism and energy to run everyday? Thanks.
-Suu
Has a fat ass. Partially her fault. Partially because her hips haven't been smaller than 42" around the points of the pelvis since she was about 12. Fuckin' Italians.
Pants shopping makes me SICK :argh!:
Old Navy- one cut in a 2 is kinda baggy, another cut in an 8 is too fucking small
Guess- makes NO sense at all. Take the size, subtract 21 and the number you're left with is the size. So a 27 is a 6. Why not just say 6?!? And those are too small for me too. But the next size up is too big.
Express- too tight in the thighs
Most others- tight in the thigh, huge in the waist
Fuck this, when I move I'm gonna make all my damn pants myself from my own pattern
Watch me try to find a shirt that fits, sometime. :x
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 19, 2011, 07:56:58 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 19, 2011, 07:54:08 PM
It gets better: Women's sizes are not standard. One company's size 6 is another company's size 9.
My personal belief is that it's a male conspiracy to keep women body-obsessed, shamed, and self-critical so they don't all get together and take over the world.
My belief is that women are involved, too. But yeah, if you've ever seen the cover of Cosmopolitan Magazine, the "standard" that's set is laughable. If a woman doesn't look like a 14 year old boy, she's a fatass, right?
And people will not even try to meet a standard like that. They'll just give up and buy a mobility scooter.
The best part? Almost all of those images in the glossy magazines are photoshopped to "improve" the body shape and remove skin blemishes.
Makeup and moisturiser adverts on TV also frequently do this (laughably bad, in many cases, but not all of them). So it's not even an unreasonable standard, it's actually an
impossible standard they're setting.
"Having clothes that fit is more important than a number."
/
(http://thriftstoreconfidential.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/tim-gunn.jpg)
I swear, I can visually add or lose ten pounds simply by changing shirts, from one that fits into one that doesn't.
But seriously. Almost nothing off the rack will look good on a person, unless you happen to be sized exactly the same way as the manufacturer set the machines that day. Notice I did not say "designer", because by the time it gets to the store, the design has been seriously compromised.
The exception, of course, is if you spend extra money for clothes that were made with a bit more care, but even then the possible body combinations outnumber the style options.
So, save some money on the front end, and spend it on the back end:* Buy a style you like that doesn't quite fit, and then spend $10-$20 bucks to get it tailored. What, too fancy for you? You can make a $15 blouse look like $75 on you just with a few stitches. Best of all, you'll feel better when you wear clothes that compliment your body and actually fit you. Which, in turn, makes you feel sexier. So take the time, save the money, and allow yourself the chance to wear decent clothes.
*
:lmnuendo:
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 19, 2011, 07:54:08 PM
It gets better: Women's sizes are not standard. One company's size 6 is another company's size 9.
My personal belief is that it's a male conspiracy to keep women body-obsessed, shamed, and self-critical so they don't all get together and take over the world.
same for male sizes, take some measuring tape next time you buy pants.
generally, more expensive clothes that fit "better", are in fact just larger.
sure they may also be cut in more pleasing models, but if you measure them, size is all over the place.
the basic idea is that, as men "graduate" to more expensive clothing and more "adult" brands, they get to keep the same sizes, because that's how good quality they are, while those cheap H&M clothes just don't fit "properly".
so while of course I agree there's more to "fitting" clothes than just the size number, I really wonder how well Tim Gunn's quote would hold up if the numbers would actually make some sense.
I also found, in a real cheap jeans store (Scapino, for the Dutch readers), the pants that were supposedly the same size even differed. Which was good, because it allowed me to just try on like 10 different pants and ended up with two pairs that fit like a glove for just 30 euros for both.
Quote from: Sir Squid Diddimus on October 20, 2011, 07:49:16 AM
Pants shopping makes me SICK :argh!:
Old Navy- one cut in a 2 is kinda baggy, another cut in an 8 is too fucking small
Guess- makes NO sense at all. Take the size, subtract 21 and the number you're left with is the size. So a 27 is a 6. Why not just say 6?!? And those are too small for me too. But the next size up is too big.
Express- too tight in the thighs
Most others- tight in the thigh, huge in the waist
Fuck this, when I move I'm gonna make all my damn pants myself from my own pattern
Old Navy fits my hips, but not my ass and waist, so they just look BAD. This goes for GAP and BR because they're the same company. I've had to tailor a lot of my jeans.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 20, 2011, 01:21:01 PM
"Having clothes that fit is more important than a number."
/
(http://thriftstoreconfidential.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/tim-gunn.jpg)
I swear, I can visually add or lose ten pounds simply by changing shirts, from one that fits into one that doesn't.
But seriously. Almost nothing off the rack will look good on a person, unless you happen to be sized exactly the same way as the manufacturer set the machines that day. Notice I did not say "designer", because by the time it gets to the store, the design has been seriously compromised.
The exception, of course, is if you spend extra money for clothes that were made with a bit more care, but even then the possible body combinations outnumber the style options.
So, save some money on the front end, and spend it on the back end:* Buy a style you like that doesn't quite fit, and then spend $10-$20 bucks to get it tailored. What, too fancy for you? You can make a $15 blouse look like $75 on you just with a few stitches. Best of all, you'll feel better when you wear clothes that compliment your body and actually fit you. Which, in turn, makes you feel sexier. So take the time, save the money, and allow yourself the chance to wear decent clothes.
*
:lmnuendo:
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA
I haven't spent more than $15, total, on an item of clothing in at least ten years.
Teeshirt that's too small shows off the abs. Jeans that are too big + a good belt lets my legs move about anywhere I need them to. Comfy pair of boots or trainers means I can walk for miles and/or climb stupid shit when I'm drunk. Job done. Full outfit for 70 quid. Anyone who looks at me and thinks I look like shit? Fuck 'em.
Hanging your self image on a bunch of dumb magazines or a bunch of even dumber primates is retarded.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on October 20, 2011, 06:23:14 PM
Teeshirt that's too small shows off the abs. Jeans that are too big + a good belt lets my legs move about anywhere I need them to. Comfy pair of boots or trainers means I can walk for miles and/or climb stupid shit when I'm drunk. Job done. Full outfit for 70 quid. Anyone who looks at me and thinks I look like shit? Fuck 'em.
Hanging your self image on a bunch of dumb magazines or a bunch of even dumber primates is retarded.
Well said.
I loathe anything tight around my neck though, so t-shirts are rarely comfortable.
I look fabulous in everything.
That's because I don't wear the clothes.
The clothes wear me!
Quote from: Regret on October 20, 2011, 07:47:33 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on October 20, 2011, 06:23:14 PM
Teeshirt that's too small shows off the abs. Jeans that are too big + a good belt lets my legs move about anywhere I need them to. Comfy pair of boots or trainers means I can walk for miles and/or climb stupid shit when I'm drunk. Job done. Full outfit for 70 quid. Anyone who looks at me and thinks I look like shit? Fuck 'em.
Hanging your self image on a bunch of dumb magazines or a bunch of even dumber primates is retarded.
Well said.
I loathe anything tight around my neck though, so t-shirts are rarely comfortable.
Sucks to be you guys. I look good in a suit.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-yyrysZ3-slA/TqBu9q0WDqI/AAAAAAAAAOc/Yh2o6so8VuA/s640/11%2B-%2B1)
Has anyone ever told you that you look like the guy on Parks and Recreation?
No, not the Indian dude, the dude with the moustache.
(http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/233/everywomanoprah.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/845/everywomanoprah.jpg/)
Unrealistic/Impossible expectations ahoy!
(How much plastic surgery needed to be a Barbie)
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on October 20, 2011, 06:23:14 PM
Teeshirt that's too small shows off the abs. Jeans that are too big + a good belt lets my legs move about anywhere I need them to. Comfy pair of boots or trainers means I can walk for miles and/or climb stupid shit when I'm drunk. Job done. Full outfit for 70 quid. Anyone who looks at me and thinks I look like shit? Fuck 'em.
Hanging your self image on a bunch of dumb magazines or a bunch of even dumber primates is retarded.
I'm glad you've solved the problem of poor body image and related low self-esteem among teens... you should give motivational talks at high schools and maybe open an eating disorder treatment center.
Some people are just small, like Nigel's friend. I'm glad she brought it up because there seems to be this thought that if you're tiny everything should be okay. But when you have people saying things about how tiny girls look like little boys or the ever so hilarious eat a hamburger quips, it takes its toll. Women can be beautiful curvy or petite or whatever, and it's just as unfair to either side to disregard that.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 20, 2011, 07:58:15 PM
Quote from: Regret on October 20, 2011, 07:47:33 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on October 20, 2011, 06:23:14 PM
Teeshirt that's too small shows off the abs. Jeans that are too big + a good belt lets my legs move about anywhere I need them to. Comfy pair of boots or trainers means I can walk for miles and/or climb stupid shit when I'm drunk. Job done. Full outfit for 70 quid. Anyone who looks at me and thinks I look like shit? Fuck 'em.
Hanging your self image on a bunch of dumb magazines or a bunch of even dumber primates is retarded.
Well said.
I loathe anything tight around my neck though, so t-shirts are rarely comfortable.
Sucks to be you guys. I look good in a suit.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-yyrysZ3-slA/TqBu9q0WDqI/AAAAAAAAAOc/Yh2o6so8VuA/s640/11%2B-%2B1)
HAWT.
I do enjoy my tailored suit and shirt. Not only do they feel great, but people treat me like royalty and call me "sir," constantly.
I need more excuses to wear it...
Quote from: Nigel on October 20, 2011, 08:05:18 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on October 20, 2011, 06:23:14 PM
Teeshirt that's too small shows off the abs. Jeans that are too big + a good belt lets my legs move about anywhere I need them to. Comfy pair of boots or trainers means I can walk for miles and/or climb stupid shit when I'm drunk. Job done. Full outfit for 70 quid. Anyone who looks at me and thinks I look like shit? Fuck 'em.
Hanging your self image on a bunch of dumb magazines or a bunch of even dumber primates is retarded.
I'm glad you've solved the problem of poor body image and related low self-esteem among teens... you should give motivational talks at high schools and maybe open an eating disorder treatment center.
I'd have paid money for P3nT to come to my high school and tell us how we're all retarded.
Maybe not for that issue, specifically, but I still would.
Quote from: Mangrove on October 20, 2011, 08:03:06 PM
(http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/233/everywomanoprah.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/845/everywomanoprah.jpg/)
Unrealistic/Impossible expectations ahoy!
(How much plastic surgery needed to be a Barbie)
FUCK YOU IMAGESHACK.
http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/beauty/the-plastic-surgery-a-model-needs-to-look-like-barbie-2584798
Try again.
Quote from: Cain on October 20, 2011, 11:53:44 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 19, 2011, 07:56:58 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 19, 2011, 07:54:08 PM
It gets better: Women's sizes are not standard. One company's size 6 is another company's size 9.
My personal belief is that it's a male conspiracy to keep women body-obsessed, shamed, and self-critical so they don't all get together and take over the world.
My belief is that women are involved, too. But yeah, if you've ever seen the cover of Cosmopolitan Magazine, the "standard" that's set is laughable. If a woman doesn't look like a 14 year old boy, she's a fatass, right?
And people will not even try to meet a standard like that. They'll just give up and buy a mobility scooter.
The best part? Almost all of those images in the glossy magazines are photoshopped to "improve" the body shape and remove skin blemishes.
Makeup and moisturiser adverts on TV also frequently do this (laughably bad, in many cases, but not all of them). So it's not even an unreasonable standard, it's actually an impossible standard they're setting.
Yep.
And there's this social proof in advertising culture that helps this strategy fester. When a CEO goes to an ad agency or runs an ad on their own, there's no guarantee about returns on their investment, so they often look at other ads that they feel were successful and mimic them. If an idea is too original then it's riskier, as the degree of confidence that it will work is more unknown. Better to do something unoriginal with a more predictable outcome, the CEO thinks. This happens millions of times resulting in the endlessly rehashed mind feces of US media culture.
Quote from: Sir Squid Diddimus on October 20, 2011, 07:49:16 AM
Pants shopping makes me SICK :argh!:
Old Navy- Made for burly sailors to fit into, and be torn out of easily.
Guess- Describes the most efficient method for finding anything there that fits.
Express- The philosophy of the Thai sweat shop that produces their stock.
Most others- Rarely made for people with muscle mass to be more than a PETA spokeshead
Fuck this, when I move I'm gonna make all my damn pants myself from my own pattern
FIXT
Both my mom and my sister are rails. They're designed to be rails.
Unfortunately, I was designed to be a pear...
:kojak:
Quote from: Net on October 20, 2011, 09:43:51 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 20, 2011, 11:53:44 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 19, 2011, 07:56:58 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 19, 2011, 07:54:08 PM
It gets better: Women's sizes are not standard. One company's size 6 is another company's size 9.
My personal belief is that it's a male conspiracy to keep women body-obsessed, shamed, and self-critical so they don't all get together and take over the world.
My belief is that women are involved, too. But yeah, if you've ever seen the cover of Cosmopolitan Magazine, the "standard" that's set is laughable. If a woman doesn't look like a 14 year old boy, she's a fatass, right?
And people will not even try to meet a standard like that. They'll just give up and buy a mobility scooter.
The best part? Almost all of those images in the glossy magazines are photoshopped to "improve" the body shape and remove skin blemishes.
Makeup and moisturiser adverts on TV also frequently do this (laughably bad, in many cases, but not all of them). So it's not even an unreasonable standard, it's actually an impossible standard they're setting.
Yep.
And there's this social proof in advertising culture that helps this strategy fester. When a CEO goes to an ad agency or runs an ad on their own, there's no guarantee about returns on their investment, so they often look at other ads that they feel were successful and mimic them. If an idea is too original then it's riskier, as the degree of confidence that it will work is more unknown. Better to do something unoriginal with a more predictable outcome, the CEO thinks. This happens millions of times resulting in the endlessly rehashed mind feces of US media culture.
I think there is also a degree of take what works and do it bigger/brighter/louder. So say when one add campaign seems to succeed due to thin models then that means out ad campaign will succeed more with thinner models.
Quote from: Mangrove on October 20, 2011, 09:21:20 PM
http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/beauty/the-plastic-surgery-a-model-needs-to-look-like-barbie-2584798
Try again.
Still failin', Mang.
Also:
Unbearable Weight by Susan Bordo (http://books.google.com/books?id=rezqDU30R5wC&printsec=frontcover&dq=susan+bordo+unbearable+weight&hl=en&src=bmrr&ei=uuGATpazLormiALHw9WgDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false) talks about this - the ridiculous, impossible body image set by pop culture. I haven't finished my copy yet, but what I have read is pretty good.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on October 20, 2011, 08:56:21 PM
Some people are just small, like Nigel's friend. I'm glad she brought it up because there seems to be this thought that if you're tiny everything should be okay. But when you have people saying things about how tiny girls look like little boys or the ever so hilarious eat a hamburger quips, it takes its toll. Women can be beautiful curvy or petite or whatever, and it's just as unfair to either side to disregard that.
If I had a nickel for every time someone in high school asked if I was anorexic or if I ever ate I could fucking retire.
Assholes.
Quote from: Sir Squid Diddimus on October 21, 2011, 06:13:49 AM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on October 20, 2011, 08:56:21 PM
Some people are just small, like Nigel's friend. I'm glad she brought it up because there seems to be this thought that if you're tiny everything should be okay. But when you have people saying things about how tiny girls look like little boys or the ever so hilarious eat a hamburger quips, it takes its toll. Women can be beautiful curvy or petite or whatever, and it's just as unfair to either side to disregard that.
If I had a nickel for every time someone in high school asked if I was anorexic or if I ever ate I could fucking retire.
Assholes.
Yeah, horrible consequence of the body dysmorphia awareness crusade.
Rather than health being equated with a person's individual, natural weight, it pretty much just said skinny is anorexic and called it a day. So now more than one group can feel inadequate about their bodies!
Quote from: Suu on October 20, 2011, 10:54:20 PM
Both my mom and my sister are rails. They're designed to be rails.
Unfortunately, I was designed to be a pear...
I think there is a joke in here somewhere about touching the third rail but it is eluding me.
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on October 21, 2011, 05:49:32 AM
Quote from: Mangrove on October 20, 2011, 09:21:20 PM
http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/beauty/the-plastic-surgery-a-model-needs-to-look-like-barbie-2584798
Try again.
Still failin', Mang.
Also:
Unbearable Weight by Susan Bordo (http://books.google.com/books?id=rezqDU30R5wC&printsec=frontcover&dq=susan+bordo+unbearable+weight&hl=en&src=bmrr&ei=uuGATpazLormiALHw9WgDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false) talks about this - the ridiculous, impossible body image set by pop culture. I haven't finished my copy yet, but what I have read is pretty good.
That link works fine for me,
Maybe this pic works for you?
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-uUUTltNmplw/TqGKfmsNYeI/AAAAAAAAAU8/qSkqFmqWzXc/s495/everywomanoprah.jpg)
http://static.oprah.com/images/201111/omag/201111-omag-better-than-beautiful-600x411.jpg ~> the image Mang' alluded to...article came up fine for me in the link he sent.
Well, all I know is, best advice is to keep active and eat in moderation (though now "they" are saying not EVERYTHING can be EATEN in moderation--fuck them, tho...I'm sticking to my late-90's/early 2000's rhetoric thank-you-very-muchly). Because once you round the corner after your early 30's...the paunch hits ya. Usually in the gut. And if you aren't already active, you'll just lose that muscle mass (fat OR thin!), and it gets harder to keep your body in shape--you breathe harder doing simple things, you sweat more for no apparent reason, you tire out after half the time it takes to do something rather than later on down the road when you've only gotten 3 hours of sleep...etc.
The last few years of my life have been a sinkhole where I stopped giving a shit for the most part and put my energy into things other than taking care of myself...and now I'm paying the price--I'm 38 and have a laundry list of shit wrong with me that for the most part can probably be fixed by losing 30 lbs. Not that that is the magic bullet per se...but I know it would help. And wouldn't you know it--just as I get off my ass and move it more...I get knocked up. :lulz:
Ah...me...
Anyway, sizes are suck ass in general--if you can't sew, find a brand that fits your body and stick with it, $$ or not. Or tailor the cheap stuff. Both of those are the best advice.