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Title: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: Triple Zero on November 21, 2011, 01:00:35 PM
http://newsinfo.nd.edu/news/27476-walking-through-doorways-causes-forgetting-new-research-shows/

Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: Cain on November 21, 2011, 01:45:57 PM
Or does the act of forgetting cause us to seek out a doorway to pass through?
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: Triple Zero on November 21, 2011, 01:53:00 PM
Well if it did, we certainly wouldn't remember it, so it's equally likely, I'd say.
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on November 21, 2011, 03:57:45 PM
I have heard of a form of environmental awareness training that has you consciously tap every door you go through until you do it reflexively and finally subconsciously after MUCH repetition.  The Idea was specifically to increase your awareness of going from one set of variables to another.  Neat experiment.
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: Elder Iptuous on November 21, 2011, 04:20:48 PM
My friend and i had mused about the phenomenon of locational effects on memory before.
we both noted that it seems that returning to the location of an event or thought allows for easier recall.
i would be interested if they did any follow up research on whether passing back through the doors has a statistical significance on recall.

incidently, if you ever are driving down a road that you frequently travel and it occurs to you to meditate upon the notion that "this is the place that i think this thought", it can haunt you forever and ever.


Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 21, 2011, 03:57:45 PM
I have heard of a form of environmental awareness training that has you consciously tap every door you go through until you do it reflexively and finally subconsciously after MUCH repetition.  The Idea was specifically to increase your awareness of going from one set of variables to another.  Neat experiment.
to what end?  :?
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: Reginald Ret on November 21, 2011, 04:56:07 PM
 :argh!: That's probably not forgetting, that's compartimentalizing. Step back through the door and make as many as possible other variables similar to when you did remember and presto! meeeemorieeees.

A fun trick to prove this to yourself is to think of a list of things you can buy with 300 bucks in several different situations like work/home/bar/with friends.
Make sure to never write anything down because then the context will be *writing* instead of work/home/etc. Don't bother remembering the lists just keep repeating this exercise in several situations.
After a couple of weeks of repeating this try to remember the lists at the same time and you should have a different list for every situation.
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: Xooxe on November 21, 2011, 05:51:41 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on November 21, 2011, 04:20:48 PMincidently, if you ever are driving down a road that you frequently travel and it occurs to you to meditate upon the notion that "this is the place that i think this thought", it can haunt you forever and ever.

I did that with a staircase that I used to walk up every day at school. I started to notice that the time I spent between walking the stairs felt like it passed in a blink of an eye, but only while walking the stairs. My entire life temporarily condensed into climbing those bastard stairs. STAIRS.

As for doorways: In Polish "door" is completely plural, like "scissors", "glasses", etc, in English. It's as if there's a grammatical understanding that a door belongs to two rooms.

Some informations for you.
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: Elder Iptuous on November 21, 2011, 06:22:00 PM
Quote from: Xooxe on November 21, 2011, 05:51:41 PM
As for doorways: In Polish "door" is completely plural, like "scissors", "glasses", etc, in English. It's as if there's a grammatical understanding that a door belongs to two rooms.

that's interesting!
one can refer to a 'pair of scissors' or a 'pair of glasses' or pliers or pants, etc...  is this also the case in polish? and if so, is a doorway referred to pairwise?  further, the items i mentioned all have two distinct and symmetrical parts...  if it is the case that a door can be referred to pairwise, is the mental image afforded by the reference that of the two sides of the door, i presume?
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on November 21, 2011, 06:25:36 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on November 21, 2011, 04:20:48 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 21, 2011, 03:57:45 PM
I have heard of a form of environmental awareness training that has you consciously tap every door you go through until you do it reflexively and finally subconsciously after MUCH repetition.  The Idea was specifically to increase your awareness of going from one set of variables to another.  Neat experiment.
to what end?  :?

The training had to do with combat awareness.  I didn't go through it myself.  I think the idea was to build a more conscious awareness of any new environment.  The tapping serves as an anchor for the conscious behavior of paying more attention while transitioning from one place to another.  Eventually you're not tapping doors physically anymore but the additional attention paid has become reflexive by that point.  Doorways can make pretty good spots for ambush.  Might have a lot to do with this psychological disrupt between places.
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 21, 2011, 06:28:22 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 21, 2011, 06:25:36 PM
The training had to do with combat awareness.

DO YOU STARE AT GOATS?
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: Freeky on November 21, 2011, 06:36:08 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 21, 2011, 06:28:22 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 21, 2011, 06:25:36 PM
The training had to do with combat awareness.

DO YOU STARE AT GOATS?

And then he accidentally the goat. :sad:
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on November 21, 2011, 06:45:00 PM
Quote from: Science me, babby on November 21, 2011, 06:36:08 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 21, 2011, 06:28:22 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 21, 2011, 06:25:36 PM
The training had to do with combat awareness.

DO YOU STARE AT GOATS?

And then he accidentally the goat. :sad:

I um, er, eh... I would never accidentally a goat of my own free will.  There were A LOT of mind control mazers on me at the time.. After the goat fell over they told me about the sedative they'd given it.  For a minute there though... yeah I thought I accidentally the goat.
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 21, 2011, 06:45:56 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 21, 2011, 06:45:00 PM
Quote from: Science me, babby on November 21, 2011, 06:36:08 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 21, 2011, 06:28:22 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 21, 2011, 06:25:36 PM
The training had to do with combat awareness.

DO YOU STARE AT GOATS?

And then he accidentally the goat. :sad:

I um, er, eh... I would never accidentally a goat of my own free will.  There were A LOT of mind control mazers on me at the time.. After the goat fell over they told me about the sedative they'd given it.  For a minute there though... yeah I thought I accidentally the goat.

DO YOU FUCKING STARE AT GOATS?

TGRR,
Will shamelessly fuck with anyone who doesn't catch the reference.
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: Triple Zero on November 21, 2011, 07:15:25 PM
This makes me think btw, either the forgetting thing also works slightly after you pass through the door, or perhaps the outside-stairs-down-to-the-streets1 counts as a second "doorway", either way it explains why I always forget if I locked my door properly or not. And then I have to go back to check (because it would really suck if I actually forgot and someone broke in) and curse this very mild OCD symptom cause it's locked 99.99% of the time. It helps if I have to take some complex action, like putting my keys back into a hard-to-reach pocket, but I suppose at some point I'll get used to that too :)

1 how do you call this? translations say "portiek" is "porch" but that's not right. you go up the stone stairs (still outside) and there's two front doors one to my house and one to the upstairs neighbours.




Also PANTS are SINGULAR in Dutch because it's impossible for us to half-ass that sort of thing.
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: LMNO on November 21, 2011, 07:19:38 PM
I've heard that's called a "stoop".
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on November 21, 2011, 07:19:54 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 21, 2011, 06:45:56 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 21, 2011, 06:45:00 PM
Quote from: Science me, babby on November 21, 2011, 06:36:08 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 21, 2011, 06:28:22 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 21, 2011, 06:25:36 PM
The training had to do with combat awareness.

DO YOU STARE AT GOATS?

And then he accidentally the goat. :sad:

I um, er, eh... I would never accidentally a goat of my own free will.  There were A LOT of mind control mazers on me at the time.. After the goat fell over they told me about the sedative they'd given it.  For a minute there though... yeah I thought I accidentally the goat.

DO YOU FUCKING STARE AT GOATS?

TGRR,
Will shamelessly fuck with anyone who doesn't catch the reference.

I loved that movie! NO SIR I DO NOT STARE AT GOATS IN AN OFFICIAL CAPACITY SIR!!  MAY I PLEASE HAVE SOME MOAR OF THAT WATER WITH LSD IN IT?
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 21, 2011, 07:21:07 PM
I tried the "tapping at every door I go through" thing to increase my combat awareness.

It didn't work, but now all my coworkers think I'm an OCD asshole.
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: LMNO on November 21, 2011, 07:23:47 PM
It didn't work?  You are not aware of combat?
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 21, 2011, 07:27:05 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 21, 2011, 07:23:47 PM
It didn't work?  You are not aware of combat?

Dude, I just walked right past the Battle of Tarawa, and didn't notice it at all.  I almost tripped over a Japanese machine gun nest.  Everyone's laughing at me.
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: Triple Zero on November 21, 2011, 07:27:46 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 21, 2011, 07:19:38 PM
I've heard that's called a "stoop".

WONDERFUL!

So a "portiek" (stoop) shares its roots with "porch",

but a "stoop" shares its roots with "stoep" (sidewalk).

FUCK LANGUAGE, SRSLY.
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 21, 2011, 07:30:51 PM
Oh, look.  The fucking battle of Crecy was apparently in my lunchbox.  How did I not hear that during the ride to work?

BRB.

TGRR,
Going for the shop vacc.
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on November 21, 2011, 07:31:55 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 21, 2011, 07:21:07 PM
I tried the "tapping at every door I go through" thing to increase my combat awareness.

It didn't work, but now all my coworkers think I'm an OCD asshole.

I'm no expert myself, just hard to get the drop on and well aware that being a badass is usually not enough to win on it's own.  If it is then you weren't in a real fight, you were in an argument that got physical.  I tend to avoid both.. for my health you know.
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 21, 2011, 07:32:48 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on November 21, 2011, 07:15:25 PM
This makes me think btw, either the forgetting thing also works slightly after you pass through the door, or perhaps the outside-stairs-down-to-the-streets1 counts as a second "doorway", either way it explains why I always forget if I locked my door properly or not. And then I have to go back to check (because it would really suck if I actually forgot and someone broke in) and curse this very mild OCD symptom cause it's locked 99.99% of the time. It helps if I have to take some complex action, like putting my keys back into a hard-to-reach pocket, but I suppose at some point I'll get used to that too :)

1 how do you call this? translations say "portiek" is "porch" but that's not right. you go up the stone stairs (still outside) and there's two front doors one to my house and one to the upstairs neighbours.




Also PANTS are SINGULAR in Dutch because it's impossible for us to half-ass that sort of thing.

Could be a "landing".
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 21, 2011, 07:35:12 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 21, 2011, 07:31:55 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 21, 2011, 07:21:07 PM
I tried the "tapping at every door I go through" thing to increase my combat awareness.

It didn't work, but now all my coworkers think I'm an OCD asshole.

I'm no expert myself, just hard to get the drop on and well aware that being a badass is usually not enough to win on it's own.  If it is then you weren't in a real fight, you were in an argument that got physical.  I tend to avoid both.. for my health you know.

What the fuck is this shit?

Seriously, what the fuck is this shit?
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 21, 2011, 07:38:27 PM
I mean, world war fucking two was just an argument that got physical.

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: Triple Zero on November 21, 2011, 07:40:14 PM
something by somebody who doesn't know about your personal life history and is assuming the wrong things.
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 21, 2011, 07:42:39 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on November 21, 2011, 07:40:14 PM
something by somebody who doesn't know about your personal life history and is assuming the wrong things.

Not worried about that shit.  Hell, I'm getting old, and being a badass is no longer really on my list of priorities.

I was talking about the "you weren't in a real fight, you were in an argument that got physical" shit.  I mean, I'm reasonably certain that is, you know, ONE FUCKING DEFINITION OF "A FIGHT".
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: Triple Zero on November 21, 2011, 08:01:30 PM
Oh I see. Yes that's kind of confusing since he doesn't actually differentiate between the two, avoiding both, anyway ... WIZARD JOSEPH!!! EXPLAIN (or maybe just take it back for the patent nonsense it is)



(PS you're still a badass to me, old or not, and I don't see you dislodging that idea to me any time soon ;-) )
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on November 21, 2011, 08:05:24 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 21, 2011, 07:42:39 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on November 21, 2011, 07:40:14 PM
something by somebody who doesn't know about your personal life history and is assuming the wrong things.

Not worried about that shit.  Hell, I'm getting old, and being a badass is no longer really on my list of priorities.

I was talking about the "you weren't in a real fight, you were in an argument that got physical" shit.  I mean, I'm reasonably certain that is, you know, ONE FUCKING DEFINITION OF "A FIGHT".

I think I get you.  Yeah they're all fights, but some are for different stakes than the kind that leave a person checking every door.  Maybe what I'm thinking is like a difference between a fight and battle.  How far did it go?  Getting shoved or even struck isn't fighting to me. It usually means that a display of strength could be enough. that's what I think of when I say being a "badass."  When the violence is light and for social reasons of some sort.

I think of a "real fight" as the sort of thing that puts a lot of safety, well being, or life on the line.  They are a rush, but I don't consider them anything like something to seek out.  

Wait a minute...  there I go taking my explanations seriously again.  Reverend, I'm not qualified to answer, and I've got stuff to do but I'll be back later.





Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 21, 2011, 08:45:01 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 21, 2011, 08:05:24 PM
I think I get you.  Yeah they're all fights, but some are for different stakes than the kind that leave a person checking every door.  Maybe what I'm thinking is like a difference between a fight and battle.  How far did it go?  Getting shoved or even struck isn't fighting to me. It usually means that a display of strength could be enough. that's what I think of when I say being a "badass."  When the violence is light and for social reasons of some sort.

I think of a "real fight" as the sort of thing that puts a lot of safety, well being, or life on the line.  They are a rush, but I don't consider them anything like something to seek out.  

Wait a minute...  there I go taking my explanations seriously again.  Reverend, I'm not qualified to answer, and I've got stuff to do but I'll be back later.

One thing I saw occasionally was a regular old barfight, someone gets punched or shoved, hits his head on a table, and fucking dies.  ANY physical confrontation is potentially deadly.  People have died from a punch in the gut.

So I'm kind of stumped here.  What is the difference between a "fight" and an "argument that got physical"?

Is there some sort of mystical/spiritual thing being discussed here?  Please say yes, because I promise I won't drag you around the forum by the heels for 3-4 weeks while laughing maniacally or anything.
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: Golden Applesauce on November 22, 2011, 02:49:44 AM
I read this as:

Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 21, 2011, 07:31:55 PM
... aware that being a badass is usually not enough to win on it's own.  If it is then you weren't in a real fight, you were in an argument that got physical.

"Being a 'badass' doesn't help you in a real fight; conversely, if you did win something purely by being a tough guy, then what you won was probably just an alpha-male dominance skirmish."
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: Golden Applesauce on November 22, 2011, 03:06:16 AM
Back to the OP - yeah, definitely true.  The "changing of context" totally blows away your short term memory.

One thing that I've tried is pausing and sticking my arm through the doorway to bridge the space between the two room before walking through.  Doing Room A => Room A & B => Room B seems less jarring that just going to Room B cold turkey.
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: Elder Iptuous on November 22, 2011, 03:33:02 AM
yes.
as the workplace is a context where short term memory is of vital importance, i make it a habit of pantomiming that i'm slowly pushing my way through a gelatinous barrier whenever i walk through a door.
it seems to work well in any context, as i have successfully employed this technique at each of the 14 workplaces i've had this past year.
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: Telarus on November 22, 2011, 07:22:04 AM
St. Gulick / Hermes, as Lord of the Liminal Spaces, approves of this spaggotry.
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: Triple Zero on November 22, 2011, 03:19:48 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on November 22, 2011, 03:33:02 AM
yes.
as the workplace is a context where short term memory is of vital importance, i make it a habit of pantomiming that i'm slowly pushing my way through a gelatinous barrier whenever i walk through a door.
it seems to work well in any context, as i have successfully employed this technique at each of the 14 workplaces i've had this past year.

to what effect?

not forgetting what you decided to do in the other room?

like what?

I only get it when I forget if I locked my door :)
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: LMNO on November 22, 2011, 03:45:19 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on November 22, 2011, 03:33:02 AM
yes.
as the workplace is a context where short term memory is of vital importance, i make it a habit of writing it down on a notepad and carrying it with me.

it seems to work well in any context, as i have successfully employed this technique at each of the 14 workplaces i've had this past year.

Fixed.
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on November 22, 2011, 04:03:16 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on November 22, 2011, 03:33:02 AM
yes.
as the workplace is a context where short term memory is of vital importance, i make it a habit of pantomiming that i'm slowly pushing my way through a gelatinous barrier whenever i walk through a door.it seems to work well in any context, as i have successfully employed this technique at each of the 14 workplaces i've had this past year.

And there you have the reason why people point and stare as well.  I would be like What. The. Fuck?  :lulz:
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 22, 2011, 04:09:59 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on November 22, 2011, 03:33:02 AM
yes.
as the workplace is a context where short term memory is of vital importance, i make it a habit of pantomiming that i'm slowly pushing my way through a gelatinous barrier whenever i walk through a door.
it seems to work well in any context, as i have successfully employed this technique at each of the 14 workplaces i've had this past year.

:lulz:

Well played, sir.  Well played.
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: Triple Zero on November 22, 2011, 04:15:41 PM
whooooosh

completely missed that :lulz:
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: LMNO on November 22, 2011, 04:17:27 PM
 :golfclap:
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on November 22, 2011, 04:26:35 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 22, 2011, 04:09:59 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on November 22, 2011, 03:33:02 AM
yes.
as the workplace is a context where short term memory is of vital importance, i make it a habit of pantomiming that i'm slowly pushing my way through a gelatinous barrier whenever i walk through a door.
it seems to work well in any context, as i have successfully employed this technique at each of the 14 workplaces i've had this past year.

:lulz:

Well played, sir.  Well played.

Damn, I missed that as well, probably from the tears rolling down my face imagining you miming your way thru a door.....   :lulz:
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: Elder Iptuous on November 22, 2011, 05:17:57 PM
 :thanks:
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: minuspace on November 22, 2011, 09:24:27 PM
...  I don't get it but I think they call it working memory?   :x
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 23, 2011, 12:10:00 AM
Quote from: Iptuous on November 22, 2011, 03:33:02 AM
yes.
as the workplace is a context where short term memory is of vital importance, i make it a habit of pantomiming that i'm slowly pushing my way through a gelatinous barrier whenever i walk through a door.
it seems to work well in any context, as i have successfully employed this technique at each of the 14 workplaces i've had this past year.

OH FUCK

:lulz:
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on November 23, 2011, 12:22:49 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 21, 2011, 08:45:01 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 21, 2011, 08:05:24 PM
I think I get you.  Yeah they're all fights, but some are for different stakes than the kind that leave a person checking every door.  Maybe what I'm thinking is like a difference between a fight and battle.  How far did it go?  Getting shoved or even struck isn't fighting to me. It usually means that a display of strength could be enough. that's what I think of when I say being a "badass."  When the violence is light and for social reasons of some sort.

I think of a "real fight" as the sort of thing that puts a lot of safety, well being, or life on the line.  They are a rush, but I don't consider them anything like something to seek out.  

Wait a minute...  there I go taking my explanations seriously again.  Reverend, I'm not qualified to answer, and I've got stuff to do but I'll be back later.

One thing I saw occasionally was a regular old barfight, someone gets punched or shoved, hits his head on a table, and fucking dies.  ANY physical confrontation is potentially deadly.  People have died from a punch in the gut.

So I'm kind of stumped here.  What is the difference between a "fight" and an "argument that got physical"?

Is there some sort of mystical/spiritual thing being discussed here?  Please say yes, because I promise I won't drag you around the forum by the heels for 3-4 weeks while laughing maniacally or anything.

Funny but true story about this happened today.  I'll post in the Open bar. Sorry to de-rail the thread.
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: Placid Dingo on November 23, 2011, 11:26:33 AM
If you're dealin with sone and their adrenalin is too high they're in 'no no no' mode.

Changing context is also a way to deal with this.
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: Elder Iptuous on November 23, 2011, 03:05:26 PM
you are suggesting that one might lead the unruly sone through a doorway to better their odds of persuading them?
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2011, 03:11:26 PM
Quote from: Placid Dingo on November 23, 2011, 11:26:33 AM
If you're dealin with sone and their adrenalin is too high they're in 'no no no' mode.

Changing context is also a way to deal with this.

wat
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: Elder Iptuous on November 23, 2011, 03:21:12 PM
unrelated:
Roger, every time you see a discontinuity in a post and reply 'wat', it makes me think of something like
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ce/Wat_Mahathat_temple_%28Laos2009%29.jpg/200px-Wat_Mahathat_temple_%28Laos2009%29.jpg) 
which is odd, but somehow pleasing.
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on November 23, 2011, 03:22:12 PM
Y'all drank all that scotch when I left the room didn't you?
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2011, 03:22:55 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on November 23, 2011, 03:21:12 PM
unrelated:
Roger, every time you see a discontinuity in a post and reply 'wat', it makes me think of something like
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ce/Wat_Mahathat_temple_%28Laos2009%29.jpg/200px-Wat_Mahathat_temple_%28Laos2009%29.jpg) 
which is odd, but somehow pleasing.

Oddly enough, the same image was in MY head, except it had Nigel and LMNO with big fucking chainsaws, chasing Buddhists around while singing Gerry Rafferty songs.
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on November 23, 2011, 03:25:22 PM
:spittake:

oh goddammit my fucking nose, it burns....

:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: Elder Iptuous on November 23, 2011, 03:26:19 PM
as they rightly deserve!
"why you runnin', monk?! you wouldn't have to suffer if you weren't so attached to you entrails!"
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2011, 03:28:42 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on November 23, 2011, 03:26:19 PM
as they rightly deserve!
"why you runnin', monk?! you wouldn't have to suffer if you weren't so attached to you entrails!"

LMNO: "IF YOU'VE DONE NOTHING WRONG, THEN YOU AND YOUR TULPA HAVE NOTHING TO BE AFRAID OF!"

Nigel:  "Yeeeaah, this is my way, of telling you that every day I'm loving you so much more..."

Chainsaw:   BZZZZZZZZZZZZRRRRRRUUUUUNK!
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: LMNO on November 23, 2011, 03:35:16 PM
 :curly:
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: Elder Iptuous on November 23, 2011, 03:48:05 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 23, 2011, 03:58:32 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2011, 03:28:42 PM

Nigel:  "Yeeeaah, this is my way, of telling you that every day I'm loving you so much more..."

Chainsaw:   BZZZZZZZZZZZZRRRRRRUUUUUNK!

STOP! In the maim of love, before you eat my heart...
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2011, 04:13:34 PM
Quote from: Net on November 23, 2011, 03:58:32 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2011, 03:28:42 PM

Nigel:  "Yeeeaah, this is my way, of telling you that every day I'm loving you so much more..."

Chainsaw:   BZZZZZZZZZZZZRRRRRRUUUUUNK!

STOP! In the maim of love, before you eat my heart...

Not Gerry Rafferty.

There are protocols to follow here.
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: LMNO on November 23, 2011, 04:20:57 PM
Way down the street there's a light in his place
He opens the door
He's got that look on his face
             /
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-l6SYj54MKZo/Tig7WlHXjtI/AAAAAAAAAEM/cwi56lULbRk/w119-h158-n-k/11%2B-%2B1)
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on November 23, 2011, 05:35:22 PM
Since the doorway thing is a trained response, presumably it wouldn't have the same effect if you walked through the doorway backwards -- you'd be able to impose an entirely different meaning on doing that (which may be why it's part of some funerary rites). Cram's molasses doorway thing on the other hand is an amplified form of the normal doorway response (in addition to taking more time, which probably helps with the short term memory thing if I'm understanding the intent correctly).

Anyone feel like memorizing sequences of numbers and then walking backwards through doors?
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: Elder Iptuous on November 23, 2011, 05:46:09 PM
no, the intent of my doorway thing was simply to make fun of using rituals while walking through doors in order to overcome a small kink in our wiring.
perhaps a better way to do it is simply to remain aware of the effect, and counter with sheer force of metacognition.  i guess you could think of it as some psionic superpower, if it has to be made oddly elaborate to satisfy, though.
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2011, 05:58:38 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 23, 2011, 04:20:57 PM
Way down the street there's a light in his place
He opens the door
He's got that look on his face
             /
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-l6SYj54MKZo/Tig7WlHXjtI/AAAAAAAAAEM/cwi56lULbRk/w119-h158-n-k/11%2B-%2B1)

I will forever associate you with that song from now on.   :lulz:
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 23, 2011, 07:16:39 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2011, 03:22:55 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on November 23, 2011, 03:21:12 PM
unrelated:
Roger, every time you see a discontinuity in a post and reply 'wat', it makes me think of something like
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ce/Wat_Mahathat_temple_%28Laos2009%29.jpg/200px-Wat_Mahathat_temple_%28Laos2009%29.jpg) 
which is odd, but somehow pleasing.

Oddly enough, the same image was in MY head, except it had Nigel and LMNO with big fucking chainsaws, chasing Buddhists around while singing Gerry Rafferty songs.

:lulz: Your head is a seriously strange and epic place.
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2011, 07:19:23 PM
Quote from: Nigel on November 23, 2011, 07:16:39 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2011, 03:22:55 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on November 23, 2011, 03:21:12 PM
unrelated:
Roger, every time you see a discontinuity in a post and reply 'wat', it makes me think of something like
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ce/Wat_Mahathat_temple_%28Laos2009%29.jpg/200px-Wat_Mahathat_temple_%28Laos2009%29.jpg) 
which is odd, but somehow pleasing.

Oddly enough, the same image was in MY head, except it had Nigel and LMNO with big fucking chainsaws, chasing Buddhists around while singing Gerry Rafferty songs.

:lulz: Your head is a seriously strange and epic place.

It's like having Mr Six live in your cranium, dancing his manic dance on the inside of your eyelids.
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 23, 2011, 07:20:07 PM
Quote from: Flush Gorgon in the 21st Century on November 23, 2011, 05:35:22 PM
Since the doorway thing is a trained response, presumably it wouldn't have the same effect if you walked through the doorway backwards -- you'd be able to impose an entirely different meaning on doing that (which may be why it's part of some funerary rites). Cram's molasses doorway thing on the other hand is an amplified form of the normal doorway response (in addition to taking more time, which probably helps with the short term memory thing if I'm understanding the intent correctly).

Anyone feel like memorizing sequences of numbers and then walking backwards through doors?

hsva wha?  :lulz:

Also, this for unknown reasons reminded me of being a special order clerk at Borders Books, memorizing ISBNs and running to the stock room to try to find books. There were three doors between my office and the stock room. Ten numbers. Three doors. I suspect the job requires a certain level of autism.
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 23, 2011, 07:21:08 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2011, 07:19:23 PM
Quote from: Nigel on November 23, 2011, 07:16:39 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2011, 03:22:55 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on November 23, 2011, 03:21:12 PM
unrelated:
Roger, every time you see a discontinuity in a post and reply 'wat', it makes me think of something like
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ce/Wat_Mahathat_temple_%28Laos2009%29.jpg/200px-Wat_Mahathat_temple_%28Laos2009%29.jpg) 
which is odd, but somehow pleasing.

Oddly enough, the same image was in MY head, except it had Nigel and LMNO with big fucking chainsaws, chasing Buddhists around while singing Gerry Rafferty songs.

:lulz: Your head is a seriously strange and epic place.

It's like having Mr Six live in your cranium, dancing his manic dance on the inside of your eyelids.

:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :horrormirth:
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: LMNO on November 23, 2011, 08:59:36 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2011, 05:58:38 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 23, 2011, 04:20:57 PM
Way down the street there's a light in his place
He opens the door
He's got that look on his face
             /
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-l6SYj54MKZo/Tig7WlHXjtI/AAAAAAAAAEM/cwi56lULbRk/w119-h158-n-k/11%2B-%2B1)

I will forever associate you with that song from now on.   :lulz:

I dare you to guess where that sax solo is coming from.

I DARE YOU.
Title: Re: Walking through doorways causes forgetting, research shows
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2011, 10:29:39 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 23, 2011, 08:59:36 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2011, 05:58:38 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 23, 2011, 04:20:57 PM
Way down the street there's a light in his place
He opens the door
He's got that look on his face
             /
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-l6SYj54MKZo/Tig7WlHXjtI/AAAAAAAAAEM/cwi56lULbRk/w119-h158-n-k/11%2B-%2B1)

I will forever associate you with that song from now on.   :lulz:

I dare you to guess where that sax solo is coming from.

I DARE YOU.

"Vegetarian Lunch Special"?