It is easier to sound liberated than it is to actually go through the psychological changes
necessary to become liberated.
Through the processes of domestication we learn to become obedient slaves...and to cherish
the behaviors that confirm our loyal obedience.
POSSIBILITIES / REALITIES
We are out to break open and dissolve the walls that are built by your fears, your dreams,
your fantasies, and your prejudices. There are always many different points of view, many
different angles which are in constant change, endlessly merging and recombining. To limit
identity to just one point of view is to commit mental fraud. To limit the self to just one
identity is to commit mental fraud. Beliefs are the bricks that the walls of hatred are built
from. A belief is just a pretty cover for a prejudice. In order to escape the trap of
prejudice and preconceptions it becomes necessary to get used to direct perception. In order to
get used to direct perception, it becomes necessary to know exactly how one's perceptions are
informed by various prejudices, beliefs, and notions.
The difference between performance artists and everyone else is that performance artists
know they are performing. The others are just under the twisted delusion that what they are
doing is somehow more a part of the real world. The problem with the concept of the 'real world'
is that no two people ever really agree on just what it means. And some people are even willing
to repress, maim, or kill others in attempts to get them to agree. It is best to just acknowledge
the performance and artistry with which we co-create our lives. This outlook may not be the
total unerring truth but I venture it would be more useful to approach life from this angle.
PMC (in conjunction with the Tequila Mistica Cabal)
not to infringe on your movement but i think we should found a movement that is based on something that we've never seen or heard of before.
i mean truly if everything we currently believe, or are trying to believe is true, it should be possible.
I mean the above so far sounds like RAW's expansion on that quote that "We are all far better artists than we realize."
Yeah. It's an attempt. No offense taken. Maybe it should just be an intro and not a manifesto as those tend to be a bit more profound. The problem with language and habits of language is that it's hard to escape from the forms of previous thoughts.
It is a manifesto in progress. Any further thoughts on it will be appreciated. Or maybe we should just scrap it. the insanity of the Cabal is probably much better represented in poetry.
you should draw a picture for your manifesto, preferably on a napkin, and distribute it in leather-bound somethings.
now this is one of the most difficult points in discordianism to me. before i really got into the material i was, yes i confess this, a bit afrait what an opening process would do to me and my mind and wellbeeing. i was scared to loose my grip and sense of stability in life.
this is what makes people close thier minds and mouths (and open the latter when it is absolutely futile) human beings need to know where they belong to feel at home somewhere. (geographically and mentally)
lets say the gratest art is to constantly try to archieve the maximal opening of the mind you can manage... and still remain "anchored" in some whay or the other. its the balance between positive eristic vibes and the positive aneristic vibes.
but to rest assured and say: "ohhh i do try my best to open up but rather keep my butt of thoughts rested cosily in my boundaries of beliefs, prejudice et alii" is not better thatn keeping a bloody closed mind beforehand.
really trying is catching yourself having prejudice and acting contrary to what you may think of someone or something. just to see what really lies behind the picture you have nailed into your brain. to loosen the nails maybe and gain a new little view of the world.
or how about doing something you are scared of. every day. i am not talking about great dangerous adventures or jackasses.
More like facing up to your inner fears and the boundaries in your thinking pattern that cause them.
nuff said about that for tonight ;)
You got it brother!
The point is to be aware of perceptions and biases...we all have them. How could we not? Then we can change them or rearrange them or even give them up.
Eat the FNORDs for breakfast...
And make sure everyone else develops an insaitable taste for the bitter sludge and deadly shards of broken Imperatives like a ravenous and crazed cannibal in the middle of a fitness freak gym.
Then go around and start eating everyone elses FNORDs chasing the annoying little allaphors down with a psychic knife and fork and devouring them in great, dripping meaty chunks of close-minded proteinness...
After that start growing FNORDs and go FNORD bowling, or play FNORD pinball. Just throw em around like they're made of nothing, they aren't after all. Then put away your elephant gun and get your FNORD missile launcher and start blowing those little bastards to kingdom come...
Quote from: Linkin Park
Put you away with the pencil pistol
It's official with the sixteen line a rhyme missle.
~Massacrater Trollax~
Mmmmm I feel something that should be stated on a manifesto is "no, you don't need to find your real self, there's no damn real self, forget it". When trying to deconstruct their education and break some chains, people usually try to rely on some absurd stable idea of the "true self".
I mean, that attitude that goes "oh yeah I'm bound by rules but should I find my real self inside all this crap, I'll become liberated by living it. You just gotta be yourself". If I was to write a manifesto for those "on the road", I would also try to influence the readers stop searching for themselves and realizing there's no self inside them; we're just our beliefs, traits, prejudices and so on. We can play with them, believe ourselves different traits and 'chaoticly' regulate ourselves to overcome and destroy regulations, but believing there's a deep-self more than our masks - wether we are playing with them or not - is pretty gullible.
There is a "true self" that is part of us when we are born. I prefer calling it the "Deeper Self", and it wants three things: to eat, to sleep, and to fuck. At some point, the Deeper Self realizes it must remain alive to to these thing, so self preservation kicks in. After that, self preservation simply becomes more and more elaborate a concept as societial rules are impressed onto the Deeper Self, creating the "Masks" that become the person who lives in society. When thoses masks break down, you end up with criminals and the insane.
and us... or at least, me, who is an entierly different form of insane, so different, that its not
Quote from: kitaroMmmmm I feel something that should be stated on a manifesto is "no, you don't need to find your real self, there's no damn real self, forget it". When trying to deconstruct their education and break some chains, people usually try to rely on some absurd stable idea of the "true self".
I mean, that attitude that goes "oh yeah I'm bound by rules but should I find my real self inside all this crap, I'll become liberated by living it. You just gotta be yourself". If I was to write a manifesto for those "on the road", I would also try to influence the readers stop searching for themselves and realizing there's no self inside them; we're just our beliefs, traits, prejudices and so on. We can play with them, believe ourselves different traits and 'chaoticly' regulate ourselves to overcome and destroy regulations, but believing there's a deep-self more than our masks - wether we are playing with them or not - is pretty gullible.
***Blinded by metaphysical brilliance our hero falls head over heels***But anyway... on the subject of the deeper self. In my experience of it, it is simply a human being who can't be conned into believing in rules. Then there's the meta-level to that which involves a consciousness that has no rules, making it absolutely nothing and not even actually existent and very weird and extreme zen by encompassing everything that is +1 and not actually being it at all.
That's precisely why it's useless to contemplate it consciously. But if you can merge the conscious and the subconscious selves it becomes less of a problem because in turn you care less about the rules.
~Exceedingly Trollax~
The next time you have a dream, look at your hands.
I have much to digest and vomit and rearrange. Thank Eris for intelligence!
But I pretty much agree with you Kitaro.
Quote from: Eighteen Buddha StrikeThe next time you have a dream, look at your hands.
I've heard that before, as advice on achieving lucid dreaming. In practice, it's hard to remember to do it, and I find it's better as a second step, to further ground yourself once lucidity has already been achieved.
The best method I've found for a
first step, is simply to ask yourself, as often as possible throughout the day, "Am I awake, or is this a dream?" Look around you, take stock of your situation, and test yourself - by, say, attempting to change the color of a nearby object. Eventually, it
will be a dream, and once you realize it, you can take control.
It gets easier with practice, and can be a great tool for both magickal and mundane purposes.
I find all the advice on "learing" how to lucid dream quite odd. As far back as I remember almost every dream I have had has been lucid. Particularly the ones that occure the few moments before I wake up. Maybe it was all that acid my Mom did before I was born.
The Commander
Ooops! Did I say "learing"? Obviously I meant "leering". Pardon me.
The Commander
But can you astral travel from your dream to another's dream and then return back to yours? OBEs can be quite the 'trip' when doing them while dreaming.
The dreamworlds are weird... Entirely self-contained, fully malleable, having their own rules yet also reliant upon "conscious" input.
There are rules and tendencies there somewhere, but not as we know them Jim.
My personal experience with them has revealed that so long as you know where you are, and you're mind is under control it's pretty much free reign, unless you come across a few of the more vicious allaphors...
~Dreamtimely Trollax~
Can't say I have astral traveled, well, not entirely, and not with my knowledge. I did buy a book on astral travel once. It had a naked lady on the cover.
I like naked ladies. :)
The Commander
DIA
Try it. I believe all of us can learn to consciously do it. I've been learning it for a short time now and it has been quite the adventure. We all do it unconsciously anyway.
I have had the experiance of being shot back into my body and awaking with a jump. From what I understand that happens during Astral Travel.
The Commander
DIA
Keep it up and soon you'll be able to travel to other places in this world and see what is going on.
What does it mean when you have a reram of a witch sitting on your chest, and you wake up and you can't breath until you make enough flailing noises to wake up your girlfriend and she shakes you till you can breathe?
Honest injun that happened to me. It was scary as hell.
The Commander
DIA
Quote from: The CommanderWhat does it mean when you have a reram of a witch sitting on your chest, and you wake up and you can't breath until you make enough flailing noises to wake up your girlfriend and she shakes you till you can breathe?
Honest injun that happened to me. It was scary as hell.
The Commander
DIA
It means either 1) You're to fat to sleep on your back 2) you have sleep apnea or 3) you have more issues than DC & Marvel combined! :P
Or you have met an energy vampire. They don't often present a real threat to your safety, as they can only exhaust you, and you make up the energy loss by sleeping a few more hours. You'd have to describe the situation a little better...(more details) in order for me to determine what is happening. Many times it is just a sleep/waking sync problem.
One way to be sure is to shield your aura before sleeping. It's like building up psychic immunity through exercise. There are various ways to do so. Generally, energy vampires don't present enough of a problem to most people unless you happen to live somewhere where one or more of them are also living.
If this is a real problem, feel free to personal message me about it and I can suggest ways to handle it.
QuoteOr you have met an energy vampire. They don't often present a real threat to your safety, as they can only exhaust you, and you make up the energy loss by sleeping a few more hours. You'd have to describe the situation a little better...(more details) in order for me to determine what is happening. Many times it is just a sleep/waking sync problem.
One way to be sure is to shield your aura before sleeping. It's like building up psychic immunity through exercise. There are various ways to do so. Generally, energy vampires don't present enough of a problem to most people unless you happen to live somewhere where one or more of them are also living.
If this is a real problem, feel free to personal message me about it and I can suggest ways to handle it.
This happened a few years back. My girlfriend and I were sleeping in my dorm room when I was in the Air Force. I had this dream about a witch who ended up sitting on my chest. Her weight began to suffocate me and when I woke up, I found I could not breathe. Not only that, but I couldn't speak more than a moan and I couldn't move more than just flapping my arms a little. Well, I moaned and flapped enough that my girlfriend woke up. As soon as she touched me I caught my breath and was able to move and speak.
There was one more incident that was similar, but I don't remember the details. Just the same waking up and not being able to breathe, then being touched and everything was alright.
I haven't had anything similar happen since then though...I think that was 8 years ago or so.
The Commander
DIA
Most people have such experiences a few times in their lives. Many forget them, due to the nature of the experiences and the fact that they are often chalked up to sleep/wake sync problems. Some of the energy vampires are unintentional and you can figure out who they are when you learn to astrally see while being on this 'plane'. Some of them are intentional, and these are usually either magickal adepts who are doing it for whatever reason, or people who have passed over, but don't want to leave the earth 'plane' for whatever reason. Intentional ones are pretty rare. Most of the time it is unintentional or accidental.
If you wish to look at this subject further, on your own, check out a book by Konstantino called "Vampires" which is written from the perspective of an experienced magickal adept. He talks about such things in a frank but no bull-shit manner. Even sceptics should read his material.
You guys are scary.
I prefer the term "Facinating"
It is Facinating. I know vampire. she is cool. Three words only.
I once knew a emotional vampire. If i ever see that bitch again, we'll have to try to kill each other. LOTS of bad blood. Best not discussed.
Ok we will not...
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SO what happend?
Let me put it this way:
I'll forgive damn near anything. Abusing me, stealing from me, insulting me, alot of other stuff. Heck, I don't even really mind emotional vampires, as such. But I NEVER forgive someone deliberatly LYING to me in order to control me. The Bitch lied. Alot. To EVERYONE. And would never admit she was lying, even when I quoted her beck to herself.
Then, she starteed accusing ME of lying to HER. Of manipulating HER. Then she told me she was pregnant (so you can guess why I stayed with her as long as I did). So I offered her the services of our family physician. She started insiting on using her doctor. The police got involved. Both families got involved. Then thing got really ugly.
Anyway, she swore she'd kill me if she ever saw me again. I promised dhe never be able to kill me.
As I said, bad blood.
Ooh that. I thought you where talking about a differnt emotional vampire. My bad.
That shit happened to me earlier this summer, all except the fake pregnancy crap. I have to admit she was a damn good liar. She took me to town on her performance. My infamous bullshit radar was silenced. Oh well. I take it as a humbling lesson from Eris on my fallibility.
It happened to me three years ago. I concider it Karmic backlash for sleeping with a friend's fiance
i once saw a man with a leg.
Damn! You too?
We need to investigate this phenomenon at once.
I am a man with leg seeer too. *crys like those dudes with testicular canser in fight club*
Okay, the situation is getting critical. More and more people have come up to me confessing that they too have seen men with legs.
It sounds like the situation has gotten way out of hand.
I'm afraid my situation is much worse. I havn't just seen a man with a leg, I see men with apendages. It is a grave situation, indeed.
Ooh man that sounds almost as bad as the story I heard about a guy with an epio dermis.
Down here people are masticating in the streets. Its shameful, I say, just shameful!
wow that could acttully be cool.
We definitely need some more investigation into these matters.
Almost all the people in my apartment building are homosapiens! Disgraceful!
But how many of them are Homo Neophiles?
Quote from: Irreverend Hugh, KSCIt is easier to sound liberated than it is to actually go through the psychological changes
necessary to become liberated.
Through the processes of domestication we learn to become obedient slaves...and to cherish
the behaviors that confirm our loyal obedience.
POSSIBILITIES / REALITIES
We are out to break open and dissolve the walls that are built by your fears, your dreams,
your fantasies, and your prejudices. There are always many different points of view, many
different angles which are in constant change, endlessly merging and recombining. To limit
identity to just one point of view is to commit mental fraud. To limit the self to just one
identity is to commit mental fraud. Beliefs are the bricks that the walls of hatred are built
from. A belief is just a pretty cover for a prejudice. In order to escape the trap of
prejudice and preconceptions it becomes necessary to get used to direct perception. In order to
get used to direct perception, it becomes necessary to know exactly how one's perceptions are
informed by various prejudices, beliefs, and notions.
The difference between performance artists and everyone else is that performance artists
know they are performing. The others are just under the twisted delusion that what they are
doing is somehow more a part of the real world. The problem with the concept of the 'real world'
is that no two people ever really agree on just what it means. And some people are even willing
to repress, maim, or kill others in attempts to get them to agree. It is best to just acknowledge
the performance and artistry with which we co-create our lives. This outlook may not be the
total unerring truth but I venture it would be more useful to approach life from this angle.
PMC (in conjunction with the Tequila Mistica Cabal)
bump, for two reasons:
1) to point out that Hugh wasn't always a dink
and
2) because this might be worthy of inclusion in the project, my personal greivances with the author aside.
ECH you high road muhfuka
you better watch out or folks is gon start naming their kids ECH
:lol:
BTW, gonna have a new verse or two to bounce off you sometime this weekend.
Its true, the summary in red is good.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle:lol:
BTW, gonna have a new verse or two to bounce off you sometime this weekend.
i just got my hands on the LMNO beat
ima eat it up
see what comes out
Quote from: East Coast Hustle
bump, for two reasons:
1) to point out that Hugh wasn't always a dink
and
2) because this might be worthy of inclusion in the project, my personal greivances with the author aside.
dink?
I suppose I'd be offended of that was even the correct racial slur. It's not since all and sundry know I am not asian. I didn't know you would go as far as all that. Too bad.
I always thought "dink" = more polite version of "dick".
indeed.
I fear the Irreverend has confused "dink" (which everybody knows is a family-friendly term for "penis") with "chink" (which everybody knows is a term for that spot in your armor that is just big enough to allow a knife to slide its way into your back)
Sounds like it. I knew some some Vietnam vets who would use "dink" or "gook" whenever they talked about asians. And it is dated but still understood around where I live as an racial slur.
well, I've never heard "dink" used as a racial slur.
and anyway...you should know that the only racial slurs I tend to use in a derogatory manner are "honky", "cracker", and "peckerwood".
Quote from: East Coast Hustlewell, I've never heard "dink" used as a racial slur.
and anyway...you should know that the only racial slurs I tend to use in a derogatory manner are "honky", "cracker", and "peckerwood".
KILL WHITEY!
8)
C-I-L-L. My landlord.
LMNO
-Knows some of you will get that.
The Coup, FTW!!
Quote from: CainQuote from: East Coast Hustlewell, I've never heard "dink" used as a racial slur.
and anyway...you should know that the only racial slurs I tend to use in a derogatory manner are "honky", "cracker", and "peckerwood".
KILL WHITEY!
8)
I once yelled that out at a NOI rally. Needless to say the fruits were not amused. (Probably because I have white skin.)
Quote from: LMNOC-I-L-L. My landlord.
LMNO
-Knows some of you will get that.
Eddie Murphy and SNL....damn. How old are you?
You don't want to know.
I'll lose all my hipster cred.
Quote from: LMNOYou don't want to know.
I'll lose all my hipster cred.
Wasn't that Mr Robinsons' Neighborhood? Or was that a different one? :?
heh.
the fact that I only recognized that as the secondary reference to an original reference makes me feel all young and shit.
Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyQuote from: LMNOYou don't want to know.
I'll lose all my hipster cred.
Wasn't that Mr Robinsons' Neighborhood? Or was that a different one? :?
Different.