Search is borked so I can't find the thread where I usually bitch and whine about this, but here it is.
Your inductees for 2012 are:
Guns N Roses (I can go with that)
Beastie Boys (They have been known to let their songs rock)
The Red Hot Chili Peppers (Swing and a miss. They shouldn't even be allowed to purchase tickets for admission)
Laura Nyo (I have no idea who she is so I shall reserve judgement)
Donovan (eh, don't have an opinion really)
The Small Faces/The Faces (Oh great, they are letting Rod Stewart in.)
They passed on: Heart (should be in, no brainer), Joan Jett and the Blackhearts (incomprehensible), and Rufus with Chaka Khan.
But really, fuck the Chili Peppers. Anthony Kiedis is a one-dimensional hack. Induct Flea because he's the only reason that band ever has any listenable moments, but fuck the rest of them.
And fuck Axl Rose because you just know he's going to fuck this up. It should be a pretty simple thing, suck it up and play with the original line-up for a couple of songs, get your little trophy or whatever they handout, and then you and your corn-rows can go back to hanging out with Bucket-face. The Police managed to do it, which is a pretty tall feat because I know it would be hard for me to be within 10 feet of Sting and not want to punch him in the face.
Okay, that's the end of my rant...for now.
Yes. FUCK RHCP.
Isn't the original line up of G'n'R on tour right now?
I also third the fuck RHCP in the eye sockets.
i have to disagree - i think the combination of flea, chad smith, and john frusciante should be inducted. anthony keidis is not the soul of the band, but i can't imagine liking them more with a different singer. dave navarro is the true reason behind RHCP sucking. they will never recover from that. he taught them that moody ballads sell more records. same thing happened to aerosmith
They're on tour but it isn't the original line-up. Slash has been doing his solo thing, I think Duff has some band he's started that no one is listening to, I dunno I think Izzy might be pumpkin-farming with Jim Martin, and Steve Adler is busy telling anyone who will listen that he wants to be back in the band, which is pretty much what he's been doing ever since he got kicked out.
I gotta think there's a bunch of concert promoters waving big stacks of dough in front of Axl's face convincing him that the induction ceremony could be the beginning of a big reunion tour. But Axl's got a lot of stubborn pride so I have great faith he will tell them all to get bent so he can soldier on with whatever gaggle of nu-metal cast-offs he has in the band currently.
Quote from: rong on December 07, 2011, 02:47:24 PM
i have to disagree - i think the combination of flea, chad smith, and john frusciante should be inducted. anthony keidis is not the soul of the band, but i can't imagine liking them more with a different singer. dave navarro is the true reason behind RHCP sucking. they will never recover from that. he taught them that moody ballads sell more records. same thing happened to aerosmith
I have a strong bias against RHCP. Mostly because when Faith No More hit the scene (FNM being one of my favorite bands if not my favorite), they would often be lazily compared to RHCP and chalked up as a second-rate version of RHCP. I guess because they were from the same geography and Billy Gould also would do some slap-bass every now and again. Of course, I think FNM are miles more talented and interesting than RHCP but they will never get inducted because, well, people suck.
Quote from: My Lady is a Cantaloupe on December 07, 2011, 02:51:40 PM
They're on tour but it isn't the original line-up. Slash has been doing his solo thing, I think Duff has some band he's started that no one is listening to, I dunno I think Izzy might be pumpkin-farming with Jim Martin, and Steve Adler is busy telling anyone who will listen that he wants to be back in the band, which is pretty much what he's been doing ever since he got kicked out.
I gotta think there's a bunch of concert promoters waving big stacks of dough in front of Axl's face convincing him that the induction ceremony could be the beginning of a big reunion tour. But Axl's got a lot of stubborn pride Down's Syndrome so I have great faith he will tell them all to get bent so he can soldier on with whatever gaggle of nu-metal cast-offs he has in the band currently.
Fixed that for you.
RHCP is the best band on that list by far.
Sure, everything they've put out since BloodSugarSexMagic has been terrible crap, but that still leaves 3 great albums and one really good one. Which is more than everybody else on that list managed for their careers combined.
And I'm a HUGE Faith No More fan, but they just didn't come close to having the career longevity required for the RRHOF (assuming that pre-Mike Patton FNM doesn't count, because it doesn't).
Personal tastes aside, I do think that The Small Faces are the most deserving group on the list.
RHCP and FNM ain't even the same ball park.
rock and roll hall of fame is not worthy of mike patton.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ41hqlV0Kk&ob=av2n :fap:
I actually am a fan of the Chuck Mosley era FNM. I think they had some pretty decent material on those first two albums. (Fortunately for the world, the Courtney Love fronted FNM never recorded an album)
And I think FNM, for better or for worse, were a pretty influential band despite not being very commercially successful after The Real Thing. (Though, they do have the unfortunate honor of being one of the forefathers of the nu-metal movement) And honestly, I think they deserve a lot of kudos and respect for giving the industry the middle finger with Angel Dust. They could've easily written The Real Thing II, and raked in the dough.
But there are tons of bands that the Hall has inexplicably shunned. They clearly have a thing against heavy metal. I mean, they kind of had to induct Metallica, but how the hell is Maiden and Priest not in? Deep Purple?
*shrug*
It ain't the Metal hall of fame.
I'd be down to start up a Metal Hall of Fame, but only if we're going to put it in a burned-out church in bumfuck, Norway.
I thought that "Rock and Roll" is more like what Elvis and the Beatles did, and this is "Rock Music"?
In which case I nominate Fatboy Slim who is way more Rock'nRoll than the Chilli Peppers!
Rock is such a generic term, it has lost all meaning.
EVERY FUCKING ARTIST is Rock in some way or other, and has been for decades. It isn't even a genre.
Quote from: Waffle Iron on December 07, 2011, 04:17:55 PM
Rock is such a generic term, it has lost all meaning.
EVERY FUCKING ARTIST is Rock in some way or other, and has been for decades. It isn't even a genre.
Yeah. Rock is basically music that isn't pop, except when it is.
Pop ate rock then shit it out in bite sized chunks of sparkly mediocrity. Rock is an attitude that got buried in an unmarked grave along with the punks.
And OP - Heart? Did you say Heart? WTF??? :eek:
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on December 07, 2011, 03:59:29 PM
*shrug*
It ain't the Metal hall of fame.
I'd be down to start up a Metal Hall of Fame, but only if we're going to put it in a burned-out church in bumfuck, Norway.
Yes, but metal definitely belongs to the rock and roll family. It is one of rock's offspring.
Quote from: Waffle Iron on December 07, 2011, 04:17:55 PM
Rock is such a generic term, it has lost all meaning.
EVERY FUCKING ARTIST is Rock in some way or other, and has been for decades. It isn't even a genre.
And especially within the context of the RnR HOF, when they induct Madonna. Okay, she's had a couple of tunes that have been kinda rock, but mostly she's been a very pop dance/pop act.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on December 07, 2011, 04:39:57 PM
Pop ate rock then shit it out in bite sized chunks of sparkly mediocrity. Rock is an attitude that got buried in an unmarked grave along with the punks.
And OP - Heart? Did you say Heart? WTF??? :eek:
Heart have overall been a pretty decent rock band. Yeah, they definitely glammed it up in the late 80s, like every other band.
Rock n roll is a definable thing. It may be a broad catagory (Elton John vs Metal, for example), but it is NOT all inclusive.
Industrial/house/dubstep: NOT rock n roll
Slow jam: NOT rock n roll.
Hip Hop: Is SOMETIMES rock n roll.
Taylor Swift: NOT rock n roll.
Johnny Cash: SOMETIMES rock n roll.
Pat Boone: IS rock n roll when he's off his meds, is NOT rock n roll when he's on them.
Country Music in general: CAN be rock n roll, but usually isn't.
Jazz: NOT rock n roll.
Blues: NOT rock n roll, but is in fact rock n roll's daddy.
Emotard shit: NOT NOT NOT rock n roll
Punk (real punk): Was USUALLY rock n roll.
Quote from: My Lady is a Cantaloupe on December 07, 2011, 05:33:28 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on December 07, 2011, 04:39:57 PM
Pop ate rock then shit it out in bite sized chunks of sparkly mediocrity. Rock is an attitude that got buried in an unmarked grave along with the punks.
And OP - Heart? Did you say Heart? WTF??? :eek:
Heart have overall been a pretty decent rock band. Yeah, they definitely glammed it up in the late 80s, like every other band.
What? Heart was
terrible.
I mean, have you
heard Barracuda?
Lamest. Riff. Ever.
And defining rock 'n' roll is easy:
If the music makes me wanna get outta my chair and kick things, it's rock 'n' roll.
If having to listen to the music makes me wanna get outta my chair and kick things, it's not rock 'n' roll.
This can even vary drastically within one band's discography:
Damage Inc.? VERY rock 'n' roll.
Nothing Else Matters? Very NOT rock 'n' roll.
Or even between different versions of the same song:
Higher Ground by Stevie Wonder? Not all that rock 'n' roll.
Higher Ground by RHCP? Pretty fuckin' rock 'n' roll.
Or even within a single song:
First 6 hours of Stairway to Heaven? Fuck my life.
Last couple minutes of Stairway to Heaven? I will rape Godzilla to this music.
But yeah, in the context of a Hall of Fame for musicians/bands it's a pretty useless term as currently applied. I still think we should open an actual IRL Metal hall of fame. I bet if we put it someplace like Hoboken or New Bedford or Toledo and made it affordable to the average working-class metalhead, we could actually make loot.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on December 07, 2011, 06:05:34 PM
And defining rock 'n' roll is easy:
If the music makes me wanna get outta my chair and kick things, it's rock 'n' roll.
If having to listen to the music makes me wanna get outta my chair and kick things, it's not rock 'n' roll.
That's a very good description, if slightly lacking in detail.
Donovan?
Donovan??
DONOVAN???
How the hell did DONOVAN get on that list?
Am I seeing that right?
THIS Donovan? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCtcXDCxh7w
Because, OK, I really like Donovan, but I may have to completely redefine my concept of rock & roll if he belongs on that list.
Quote from: Waffle Iron on December 07, 2011, 04:17:55 PM
Rock is such a generic term, it has lost all meaning.
EVERY FUCKING ARTIST is Rock in some way or other, and has been for decades. It isn't even a genre.
Which is why when you go to a record store, more than half of the albums are under the Pop/Rock header.
For our younger folks and pirates, the record store is that place with the shiny round things (encased in titanium-laced plastic) that you can buy and put into your lap-top's built-in cup holder to play music. ;)
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 07, 2011, 05:36:28 PM
Rock n roll is a definable thing. It may be a broad catagory (Elton John vs Metal, for example), but it is NOT all inclusive.
Maybe a distinction between rock n roll and plain rock is in order?
1991
Quote from: Waffle Iron on December 07, 2011, 08:26:33 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 07, 2011, 05:36:28 PM
Rock n roll is a definable thing. It may be a broad catagory (Elton John vs Metal, for example), but it is NOT all inclusive.
Maybe a distinction between rock n roll and plain rock is in order?
Rock n roll was what it was originally called. It was mainly white boys playing ripped-off boogie-woogie blues and singing about holding women's hands inappropriately and other stuff that was frowned upon back then. The early pioneers explored the other two crucial elements of the rock n roll trinity, namely sex and drugs and the heroes were the ones that took all three TO THE WALL. Some of them died, some completely defied medical science and actually survived.
This became the benchmark - sing songs that upset parents while showing the kids how to party like you mean it. Of course, every generation it becomes harder to upset the parents, since they were brought up listening to the shit that upset the hell out the previous generation of parents. You have to push it further. Louder, noisier, more sex, more drugs. Our great great grandchildren will attend concerts where the lead singer swallows 8 kilos of crack and then fucks a bunch of farm animals while screaming incoherently until his liver explodes.
Sure you could probably buy a ticket for this gig right now but you'd have to go to Tijuana or Eastern Europe. In another couple of decades it'll be mainstream. Grade schoolers will be practicing "Fuck this sheep til my liver explodes" to sing to the parents at the school concert. The next generation will probably have to start killing people just to raise the bar.
The "roll" part was dropped in the 80's when Metal came along. Roll is too soft for a moshpit. No one rolls in there. You Rock, that's what you do.
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on December 07, 2011, 02:59:33 PM
Quote from: My Lady is a Cantaloupe on December 07, 2011, 02:51:40 PM
They're on tour but it isn't the original line-up. Slash has been doing his solo thing, I think Duff has some band he's started that no one is listening to, I dunno I think Izzy might be pumpkin-farming with Jim Martin, and Steve Adler is busy telling anyone who will listen that he wants to be back in the band, which is pretty much what he's been doing ever since he got kicked out.
I gotta think there's a bunch of concert promoters waving big stacks of dough in front of Axl's face convincing him that the induction ceremony could be the beginning of a big reunion tour. But Axl's got a lot of stubborn pride Down's Syndrome brain syphilis so I have great faith he will tell them all to get bent so he can soldier on with whatever gaggle of nu-metal cast-offs he has in the band currently.
Fixed that for you.
FTFY
Also, fuck the Hall of Fame for inducting people like Madonna and passing on Doug Sahm and Roky Erickson.
Quote from: Nigel on December 07, 2011, 06:40:32 PM
Donovan?
Donovan??
DONOVAN???
How the hell did DONOVAN get on that list?
Am I seeing that right?
THIS Donovan? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCtcXDCxh7w
Because, OK, I really like Donovan, but I may have to completely redefine my concept of rock & roll if he belongs on that list.
It's because he sang about drugs and eating pussy in the 60's. They're that retarded.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on December 08, 2011, 11:43:38 AMOur great great grandchildren will attend concerts where the lead singer swallows 8 kilos of crack and then fucks a bunch of farm animals while screaming incoherently until his liver explodes.
This is why I'll be teaching my grandkids how to rape a cow on crack as soon as they can insert their elbow as far as it goes on their own strength and hold the smoke in long enough.
That way they can be the cool kids that were already into
hard-core it before everyone was doing it and it got mainstream like those fucking commercial sell-outs that use rubber gloves and sedated geese, the fucking pussies (IF ONLY!).
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on December 07, 2011, 06:05:34 PM
And defining rock 'n' roll is easy:
If the music makes me wanna get outta my chair and kick things, it's rock 'n' roll.
If having to listen to the music makes me wanna get outta my chair and kick things, it's not rock 'n' roll.
This can even vary drastically within one band's discography:
Damage Inc.? VERY rock 'n' roll.
Nothing Else Matters? Very NOT rock 'n' roll.
Or even between different versions of the same song:
Higher Ground by Stevie Wonder? Not all that rock 'n' roll.
Higher Ground by RHCP? Pretty fuckin' rock 'n' roll.
Or even within a single song:
First 6 hours of Stairway to Heaven? Fuck my life.
Last couple minutes of Stairway to Heaven? I will rape Godzilla to this music.
But yeah, in the context of a Hall of Fame for musicians/bands it's a pretty useless term as currently applied. I still think we should open an actual IRL Metal hall of fame. I bet if we put it someplace like Hoboken or New Bedford or Toledo and made it affordable to the average working-class metalhead, we could actually make loot.
:mittens:
:lulz:
RHCP pre-One Hot Minute definitely deserve it, even though Anthony Keidis is the AKK of soft-rock radio.
In fact, the only member of RHCP I actually like is John Frusciante, who is rock and roll enough on his own to merit nomination.
Agreed. Frusciante is the shit. One of the best guitarists alive (and possibly the most underrated) IMO.
IIRC he left the band, probably because they turned to such utter shit.