Its been discussed before but its good to reevaluate from time to time especially if were trying to bring some fresh discussion to the table.
I largely got into it for the jakes. Mostly to entertain myself and random people as well as get them to think more about themselves and their perceptions. Being here has expanded my reasons and i always find discussing it worthwhile when it does come up so lets give this another crack.
What does discordia mean to you?
Were there aspects of it that first appealed to you but no longer do?
Whatnew ideas can we bring to discordia?
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on December 20, 2011, 06:04:25 PM
What does discordia mean to you?
It means exactly what it says on the label. Chaos, with no need for adjectives such as "constructive/destructive", etc. Why this is so hard for some people to digest is completely beyond me.
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on December 20, 2011, 06:04:25 PM
Were there aspects of it that first appealed to you but no longer do?
Trying to improve society.
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on December 20, 2011, 06:04:25 PM
Whatnew ideas can we bring to discordia?
I don't think we've fully explored the ramifications of the old ideas, myself.
Cool- what do you think some of the ramifications of the old ideas that havent been explored are? And as for imrpoving society do you think that that has to be something that takes care of itself?
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on December 20, 2011, 06:24:26 PM
Cool- what do you think some of the ramifications of the old ideas that havent been explored are? And as for imrpoving society do you think that that has to be something that takes care of itself?
1. I think we're still hung up on "chaos as a positive force in the world". Objective evidence has shown that there is more chaos as a negative force, at least at the present time. I fail to see why we should side with one over the other. Fuck balance. Whichever way it's going, give it more of a shove.
2. Society will kill you if you try to help it. Fuck society...and have fun doing it.
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on December 20, 2011, 06:04:25 PM
What does discordia mean to you?
A constant wake-up call not to conflate the subjective with the objective; to search and identify my biases; to think for myself; to be open to change; to accept absurdity as a main ingredient of the universe.
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on December 20, 2011, 06:04:25 PM
Were there aspects of it that first appealed to you but no longer do?
Pinealism.
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on December 20, 2011, 06:04:25 PM
What new ideas can we bring to discordia?
Offhand, I'd say, "tactics" and "rationality" -- The former, a look in how to behave and survive in chaos; the latter, a clear way to get rid of the bullshit and lies that clutter your mind and get in the way of TFYS. On the other hand...
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 20, 2011, 06:10:27 PM
I don't think we've fully explored the ramifications of the old ideas, myself.
This. Roger, I'd be interested in what you'd like to explore. I'd be willing to help, if I could.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 20, 2011, 06:31:07 PM
This. Roger, I'd be interested in what you'd like to explore. I'd be willing to help, if I could.
I posted a neutered definition above, that doesn't precisely state my case.
I'll submit something more concise a bit later. I have to go check on a few things.
I'm looking forward to it.
As am i
Gonna think on this one a bit.
Thinking about this i can see where you are coming from roger. Imposition of order leads to escalation of disorder. There are both constructive and destructive forms of order and disorder. We had an escalation of destructive order for the past decade and it seems like its not going to change anytime soon. This of course causes economic collapse escalating international tensions and all the really bizarre gop candidates being considered. Not of this is constructive disorder but it is clearly disorder responding.
Lmno- id also like to hear you elaborate on tactics and rationality when you get the chance. Though at the moment they seem to be active and passive sides of the same coin.
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on December 20, 2011, 06:59:39 PM
Lmno- id also like to hear you elaborate on tactics and rationality when you get the chance. Though at the moment they seem to be active and passive sides of the same coin.
For the latter, I started this: http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=31084.msg1129123#msg1129123
QuoteWhat does discordia mean to you?
Going down with the flow, seeing and feeling the flow, just being, enjoying the things around, and enjoying communication with people without the
My point of view is better and right, while you're a loser and will end being a loser for life if you will continue to think that crap bullshit.
QuoteWere there aspects of it that first appealed to you but no longer do?
Ranting.
Whatnew ideas can we bring to discordia?Practical use.
What does it mean?
I'm not sure, and after the Occupy protests, I feel like it's better left undefined; in the same way I feel the refusal of a specific definition lends both things a potential for complexity and depth. There's lots of elements though, which I can define; self improvement, projects, mindfucks,,, so on.
Elements that used to appeal and don't; this sounds stupid but I don't remember what parts first attracted me. I guess my feelings about Eris have flipped a lot, as to if she actually matters in Discordia.
What can we bring that's new?
I think what were doing that's exciting right now is building a culture in cyber and meatspace. Right now there's a lot of Internet projects and irl meetups that strengthen existing links, and this should continue to be pushed. The best thing we are building is a consistently adapting opt in community of free radicals, and that to me is a key goal.
I think my idea of Discordia is maybe a bit more internalized than others. I'm not as much into the activist thing as I once was. On the one hand I think it might be a waste of energy when I can have more impact focusing on my world and my surroundings. As such, I've tried as much as possible to incorporate Discordian ideas into my work with kids and other folks in the community, without using Discordian jargon and symbology.
I don't know how successful I've been but I'm going to keep plugging away at it.
But, for me personally, Discordia is something that I've always been in touch with but for which I didn't always have a name. It's about being at peace with who I am while being very aware of who I am and what makes me, me. Being armed with myself and telling the rest of the world to fuck off if they don't like it. And this is what I will hand down to my kids.
To be happy and content while being very aware. To be Zen-like Sentinels fighting for the glory of their individuality.
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on December 20, 2011, 06:04:25 PM
What does discordia mean to you?
It's a way of seeing or aspiring to see things as they are and not as they appear or are portrayed. It's a support network where we help each other up on those inevitable occasions when we're acting like monkeys. Discordia is stripping away the bullshit and enjoying chaos for the spectacle it is
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on December 20, 2011, 06:04:25 PM
Were there aspects of it that first appealed to you but no longer do?
Jakes
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on December 20, 2011, 06:04:25 PM
What new ideas can we bring to discordia?
New ways or techniques for developing meta-consciousness, reinforcing critical thinking, etc...
New things to laugh at. A big part of discordia for me is laughing at the world, the complete shambles that is human civilisation. Discordians are people who get the joke
Dingo, RWHN and Pent, I'll let your posts settle in for a bit, and post my thoughts on them in a while.
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Ok, Discordia means grundles to you. But thanks for bumping the thread nonetheless.
Discordianism is a crowbar.
It can pull apart damn near anything if you find the right spot to wedge it in and apply enough force.
No matter how much you try to rationalize it away, it's still a big piece of metal that functions much like a barstool in certain situations.
It's not the right tool for EVERY job, but you probably want to have it on hand at all times. Just in case.
Quote from: Cainad on April 17, 2012, 05:38:32 AM
Discordianism is a crowbar.
It can pull apart damn near anything if you find the right spot to wedge it in and apply enough force.
No matter how much you try to rationalize it away, it's still a big piece of metal that functions much like a barstool in certain situations.
It's not the right tool for EVERY job, but you probably want to have it on hand at all times. Just in case.
Fuck yeah. I like that a lot. I'm going to use that in my evangelizing, such as it is.
For me it's that, and it's most certainly the barstool, but it's also the active and enthusiastic enjoyment of those things.
When you feel the weight of a barstool in your hands and you know that, sure, people can fuck with you, but they're going to lose an eye, that's when I feel Eris's horrible love pumping though my veins. I fear no person's thoughts because I dive deeply into the worst of them for
fun. Just to see what it's like, so I can pick it apart.
When you can feel the pavement beneath your feet and chaos about your head and you know that all of the other monkeys are just about to burst with chemical enthusiasm and it only takes a small trigger to set them off.
When you bend the law of 5's to make shit fun every god damned second you can unless you're exhausted from the shit fucking, cock-blazing, bacon and beer fisted FUN. God DAMMIT. ERIS IS A HUNGRY GOD AND SHE WANTS MORE PITIFUL MEATSACKS TO LAY DOWN THEIR LIVES FOR FUN. PAN MIGHT GET FUCKED UP ON SOME WINE. HEPHAESTUS MAY BUILD SOME COOL SHIT (OR SOMETHING). JESUS MAY LOVE BUNNIES AND CHOCOLATE AND PAIN. BUT ERIS WANTS THE FUN AND D/N/T HOW FAR SHE WILL GO TO GET IT. AMEN.
CAN I GET AN 'AMEN'?!
Amen!
The following link is an in-depth analysis of what Discordia means to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3hzYRVAkUs
Discordia, to me, is an excuse. THE excuse. The rationalization I need for all the broken glass in my head, and the disgusting things that go on in my pance. It is the justification for my bare face hanging out, for standing upright in a world full of monkeys. It is the defense for my ungodly howling and RUDE BEHAVIOR.
Discordia makes me look like a harmless nut - when people realize that I'm different in the first place - and in either case, it helps me hide my true motives until it's too late. It makes people think IT'S ALL A JOKE, HO HO HO! OH, THAT DOKTOR! SO FUNNAY, WHEN HE MAKES JOKES ABOUT WHAT HE'S GONNA DO!
Discordia is my mask. A jester's mask. Don't worry, I'm only JOKING. HAW HAW HAW!
My earlier answer was of course accurate at that time.
But I used to have bad angels on one shoulder, and good angels on the other.
Then all the good angels, for various & sundry reasons, left me. So, you know, muhaha, and all that.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 17, 2012, 07:51:07 PM
Discordia, to me, is an excuse. THE excuse. The rationalization I need for all the broken glass in my head, and the disgusting things that go on in my pance. It is the justification for my bare face hanging out, for standing upright in a world full of monkeys. It is the defense for my ungodly howling and RUDE BEHAVIOR.
Discordia makes me look like a harmless nut - when people realize that I'm different in the first place - and in either case, it helps me hide my true motives until it's too late. It makes people think IT'S ALL A JOKE, HO HO HO! OH, THAT DOKTOR! SO FUNNAY, WHEN HE MAKES JOKES ABOUT WHAT HE'S GONNA DO!
Discordia is my mask. A jester's mask. Don't worry, I'm only JOKING. HAW HAW HAW!
Actually, that's pretty interesting. Like hiding out in the open.
Discordians? Haha, oh right, that's one of them nerd joke religions. Never mind this guy. Hmmm.
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on April 17, 2012, 08:33:29 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 17, 2012, 07:51:07 PM
Discordia, to me, is an excuse. THE excuse. The rationalization I need for all the broken glass in my head, and the disgusting things that go on in my pance. It is the justification for my bare face hanging out, for standing upright in a world full of monkeys. It is the defense for my ungodly howling and RUDE BEHAVIOR.
Discordia makes me look like a harmless nut - when people realize that I'm different in the first place - and in either case, it helps me hide my true motives until it's too late. It makes people think IT'S ALL A JOKE, HO HO HO! OH, THAT DOKTOR! SO FUNNAY, WHEN HE MAKES JOKES ABOUT WHAT HE'S GONNA DO!
Discordia is my mask. A jester's mask. Don't worry, I'm only JOKING. HAW HAW HAW!
Actually, that's pretty interesting. Like hiding out in the open.
Discordians? Haha, oh right, that's one of them nerd joke religions. Never mind this guy. Hmmm.
I think the only member of my family that has it figured out is my father. And TGG, of course.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 17, 2012, 08:48:26 PM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on April 17, 2012, 08:33:29 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 17, 2012, 07:51:07 PM
Discordia, to me, is an excuse. THE excuse. The rationalization I need for all the broken glass in my head, and the disgusting things that go on in my pance. It is the justification for my bare face hanging out, for standing upright in a world full of monkeys. It is the defense for my ungodly howling and RUDE BEHAVIOR.
Discordia makes me look like a harmless nut - when people realize that I'm different in the first place - and in either case, it helps me hide my true motives until it's too late. It makes people think IT'S ALL A JOKE, HO HO HO! OH, THAT DOKTOR! SO FUNNAY, WHEN HE MAKES JOKES ABOUT WHAT HE'S GONNA DO!
Discordia is my mask. A jester's mask. Don't worry, I'm only JOKING. HAW HAW HAW!
Actually, that's pretty interesting. Like hiding out in the open.
Discordians? Haha, oh right, that's one of them nerd joke religions. Never mind this guy. Hmmm.
I think the only member of my family that has it figured out is my father. And TGG, of course.
With me it's more of an "okay. Kevin's always been an odd one anyway."
Think of it as a Segway with bad gyros. On my left shoulder, I have TGG, Enabler, Maria, Nigel, and Knuckles, all bouncing up and down and going WHEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
There's nobody on the right shoulder...My son found his own desert to live in, some buggered off in a cloud of butthurt, some moved away, etc. So off we go, into oncoming traffic.
:lulz:
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 17, 2012, 08:51:14 PM
Think of it as a Segway with bad gyros. On my left shoulder, I have TGG, Enabler, Maria, Nigel, and Knuckles, all bouncing up and down and going WHEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
There's nobody on the right shoulder...My son found his own desert to live in, some buggered off in a cloud of butthurt, some moved away, etc. So off we go, into oncoming traffic.
:lulz:
:lulz:
Freeky, of course, is the one tricking snowbirds into crossing the street just ahead.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 17, 2012, 08:56:39 PM
Freeky, of course, is the one tricking snowbirds into crossing the street just ahead.
There's too many snowbirds, man. They're total pests.
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on April 17, 2012, 09:00:40 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 17, 2012, 08:56:39 PM
Freeky, of course, is the one tricking snowbirds into crossing the street just ahead.
There's too many snowbirds, man. They're total pests.
Fuckin' A right they are.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 17, 2012, 09:01:31 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on April 17, 2012, 09:00:40 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 17, 2012, 08:56:39 PM
Freeky, of course, is the one tricking snowbirds into crossing the street just ahead.
There's too many snowbirds, man. They're total pests.
Fuckin' A right they are.
Hey, and if they listen to me, it's their own damn fault.
What has Discordia done to me?
First, Discordia was a label I could wear when I wasn't Pastafarian or Atheist.
This was my "WOOHOO I FOUND A NEW JOKE RELIGION, LIKE PASTAFARIANISM" phase
Then, it gave me an excuse to be silly, put up silly posters, do silly things.
This was my "ERISFNORDHALFMANHALFBISCUITPINEALISMISSOFUN2351lol" phase
Then, it became a tool to help me "open my mind", locate my biases, challenge my own assumptions, and recognize that I'm mostly wrong about mostly everything. It gave me a platform to form my own and try out different views of how the universe is put together.
This is my current phase, which I'll probably stay in for a while.
So, what is Discordia REALLY?
To me, Discordia is the lab coat I wear when I perform my experiments on reality. Discordia are the weird-ass goggles with which I view the world. Discordia are the gloves I wear to avoid the bullshit and butthurt stains. Discordia is the compass I use to navigate the world, the needle constantly pointing towards my head (think for yourself, schmuck!) . Discordia is laughing at the unlaughable and being serious about the ridiculous. Discordia is spewing out shit on some internet forum to get the approval of people I don't really know who are*. Discordia is an unmatched left parenthesis. Discordia is a good Norwegian meal of lapskaus, you're never really sure what's in the stew.
*For all I know they might be snuff porn fans or something