http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/12/20/why-rappers-are-suddenly-speaking-out-in-support-of-gay-pride.html
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Has hip-hop finally had it with homophobia?
Since the genre's explosion into the public consciousness in the early '80s, rap music has stood apart as one of popular culture's most unregulated forums for anti-gay hate speech. From Ice Cube's paean to male anal rape, "No Vaseline," to Big Daddy Kane proclaiming himself "anti-f----t" and Eminem's scorching repudiation of homosexuality on 2000's "Criminal"—"Whether you're a fag or lez / Or the homosex, hermaph or trans-a-vest / Pants or dress / Hate fags? The answer's yes"—MCs have unleashed homophobic rants and hurled slurs in songs without fear of censorship or reprisal for nearly three decades.
But in the last few months, seemingly unprompted by anything more than some new wellspring of compassion, major hip-hop artists have been speaking out in vehement condemnation of old homophobic tropes, calling for greater tolerance toward gay people, urging closeted gays to come out, and expressing admiration for the lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender community in ways that would have been unimaginable a generation ago.
I wonder how much of this article is hype and law of fives though. Seems fairly legit.
This really came out of left field, am I right?
I don't listen to rap, so all of this, including what seems to be a decades old problem, is news to me..
Some of them, I'm sure, mean it. But most are probably doing it because it's frowned upon to be openly homophobic and the money.
Eminem also had that performance at the Grammies where he gave Elton John a hug, to show it was all just entertainment.
To be honest, the depiction of women is more of a worry. And I'm mad on hip hop.
Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 22, 2011, 05:55:43 AM
Eminem also had that performance at the Grammies where he gave Elton John a hug, to show it was all just entertainment.
To be honest, the depiction of women is more of a worry. And I'm mad on hip hop.
Yea, they do seem to lay it on a bit thick with "bitches and hos, bitches and hos."
This is a good overview on the matter
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogyny_in_hip_hop_culture
Anyway: please continue, I'm derailing.
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on December 22, 2011, 05:42:36 AM
Some of them, I'm sure, mean it. But most are probably doing it because it's frowned upon to be openly homophobic and the money.
I suspect this plays a very large role in it.
As the leading rappers in the industry are now incredibly rich by any real standard, they're likely adopting a more cosmopolitan worldview in line with the American upper classes - which are not notably homophobic (despite their use of homophobia for political gain).
Not that, for instance, I can recall Jay-Z being notably homophobic in the first place, but the dude's a legit businessman now, philanthropist and political activist. If he came out with a song which had homphobic lyrics tomorrow, it'd be a huge uproar. His business ventures might be boycotted and it could impact on his political activities.
And, if nothing else, most of the jet-set rap scene seems to be set in New York nowadays anyway. If you're rich and socialising in New York, especially as an artist, you're going to run into gay people eventually. It could be that exposure, as much as anything, is changing the norms amongst the industry leaders, and so may have an effect on how up and coming rappers also view homosexuality and make it less taboo.
Surprisingly relevant music video from Jenna Marbles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwLMM_QBkMc
Just one of a handful of reasons that makes me laugh at rap. Most of the shit I've heard is so retarded it has to be a joke. The fact they mostly seem deadly serious simply makes it funnier, with more than a dash of facepalm.
A lot of hip hop was homophobic because it sells records. Eminem specifically is one of the most obvious hypocrites for that.
Here's a lil bit of gay rap
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsM4bI63iaQ
Complete with some references to niggas, bitches and ho's.
Quote from: Net on December 22, 2011, 05:03:21 AM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/12/20/why-rappers-are-suddenly-speaking-out-in-support-of-gay-pride.html
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Has hip-hop finally had it with homophobia?
Since the genre's explosion into the public consciousness in the early '80s, rap music has stood apart as one of popular culture's most unregulated forums for anti-gay hate speech. From Ice Cube's paean to male anal rape, "No Vaseline," to Big Daddy Kane proclaiming himself "anti-f----t" and Eminem's scorching repudiation of homosexuality on 2000's "Criminal"—"Whether you're a fag or lez / Or the homosex, hermaph or trans-a-vest / Pants or dress / Hate fags? The answer's yes"—MCs have unleashed homophobic rants and hurled slurs in songs without fear of censorship or reprisal for nearly three decades.
But in the last few months, seemingly unprompted by anything more than some new wellspring of compassion, major hip-hop artists have been speaking out in vehement condemnation of old homophobic tropes, calling for greater tolerance toward gay people, urging closeted gays to come out, and expressing admiration for the lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender community in ways that would have been unimaginable a generation ago.
I wonder how much of this article is hype and law of fives though. Seems fairly legit.
This really came out of left field, am I right?
It's people growing up and realizing that things they thought were edgy or funny actually hurt people. It's a recognition of consequence.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on December 22, 2011, 07:46:09 PM
Here's a lil bit of gay rap
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsM4bI63iaQ
Complete with some references to niggas, bitches and ho's.
Didn't you have a suicide to get to today?
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on December 22, 2011, 07:46:09 PM
Here's a lil bit of gay rap
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsM4bI63iaQ
Complete with some references to niggas, bitches and ho's.
You KNOW that any time you respond to Roger or Nigel you are going to get shat on. When all you seem to do is respond to one or the other of them for most of the day, it makes one wonder if the abuse you invite is all the attention you get.
Quote from: Luna on December 22, 2011, 08:19:35 PM
You KNOW that any time you respond to Roger or Nigel you are going to get shat on. When all you seem to do is respond to one or the other of them for most of the day, it makes one wonder if the abuse you invite is all the attention you get.
Of course it is. He gets off on it, same as he gets off by "cyber-banging" ( :lulz: ) smelly fucking Pagans.
He's a useless fucking wanker, and I wish he would leave for good.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 22, 2011, 08:21:17 PM
Quote from: Luna on December 22, 2011, 08:19:35 PM
You KNOW that any time you respond to Roger or Nigel you are going to get shat on. When all you seem to do is respond to one or the other of them for most of the day, it makes one wonder if the abuse you invite is all the attention you get.
Of course it is. He gets off on it, same as he gets off by "cyber-banging" ( :lulz: ) smelly fucking Pagans.
He's a useless fucking wanker, and I wish he would leave for good.
yes, exactly. Mostly people ignore him, so the only attention he gets is negative attention. And as a person with a personality disorder that renders him for all intents and purposes without any actual human value, he digs it. He wants to be be important and the center of attention, but he can't have that so he settles for feeding off the feeling of importance he gets from other people's contempt.
Quote from: Nigel on December 22, 2011, 08:26:05 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 22, 2011, 08:21:17 PM
Quote from: Luna on December 22, 2011, 08:19:35 PM
You KNOW that any time you respond to Roger or Nigel you are going to get shat on. When all you seem to do is respond to one or the other of them for most of the day, it makes one wonder if the abuse you invite is all the attention you get.
Of course it is. He gets off on it, same as he gets off by "cyber-banging" ( :lulz: ) smelly fucking Pagans.
He's a useless fucking wanker, and I wish he would leave for good.
yes, exactly. Mostly people ignore him, so the only attention he gets is negative attention. And as a person with a personality disorder that renders him for all intents and purposes without any actual human value, he digs it. He wants to be be important and the center of attention, but he can't have that so he settles for feeding off the feeling of importance he gets from other people's contempt.
Why accomplish anything at any level, when you can be the fat nerd that deliberately gets picked on so he'll be the object of attention?
Nothing like a guy who spends all his time "cybering" women while his wife gets neglected. Which is, of course, why she's out with other guys. Can't blame her. (BH will, obviously, be along with some bullshit about being in an "open" relationship, which beats saying "My wife is cheating on me because I spend all day masturbating on the computer and because I sit on welfare while waiting for her to hit it big as a "screenwriter".)
I don't sit on welfare any longer. I'm now working at a tattoo shop training to be a piercer.
In response to what Luna said there's three parts to it. One, most other people do ignore me and in the style of any attention whore I prefer negative attention to no attention at all. Two Roger hates better than nearly anyone else. his hatred is positively inspiring. Three Roger and Nigel are responsible for a huge amount of the posts worth responding to on the forum.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on December 22, 2011, 08:46:59 PM
I don't sit on welfare any longer. I'm now working at a tattoo shop training to be a piercer.
In your mid-30s. Your parents must be so proud.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on December 22, 2011, 08:46:59 PM
One, most other people do ignore me and in the style of any attention whore I prefer negative attention to no attention at all.
Grow a little dignity, you fucking worm.
:crankey:
BABYLON THREADJACKS AGAIN. WINS. Jesus. Let him languish and freak out by ignoring his wretched self.
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on December 23, 2011, 01:09:00 AM
BABYLON THREADJACKS AGAIN. WINS. Jesus. Let him languish and freak out by ignoring his wretched self.
Who is this babylon person everyone seems to be posting about?
Quote from: Pope Pastor Wolf-Something-Or-Other on December 23, 2011, 01:32:52 AM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on December 23, 2011, 01:09:00 AM
BABYLON THREADJACKS AGAIN. WINS. Jesus. Let him languish and freak out by ignoring his wretched self.
Who is this babylon person everyone seems to be posting about?
I just figured they were talking about some sort of foreign cheese...
(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/4981/lilbgay.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/191/lilbgay.png/)
Quote from: Faust on December 22, 2011, 11:01:19 AM
A lot of hip hop was homophobic because it sells records. Eminem specifically is one of the most obvious hypocrites for that.
I kinda recall Eminem saying in The Real Slim Shady, something like: "why can't a man and another man elope?"
That was in the context of comparing it to raping dead animals so I don't know that I'd offer a huge supply of brownie points.
Quote from: Science me, babby on December 23, 2011, 01:38:11 AM
Quote from: Pope Pastor Wolf-Something-Or-Other on December 23, 2011, 01:32:52 AM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on December 23, 2011, 01:09:00 AM
BABYLON THREADJACKS AGAIN. WINS. Jesus. Let him languish and freak out by ignoring his wretched self.
Who is this babylon person everyone seems to be posting about?
I just figured they were talking about some sort of foreign cheese...
:lulz:
Quote from: Nigel on December 22, 2011, 08:26:05 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 22, 2011, 08:21:17 PM
Quote from: Luna on December 22, 2011, 08:19:35 PM
You KNOW that any time you respond to Roger or Nigel you are going to get shat on. When all you seem to do is respond to one or the other of them for most of the day, it makes one wonder if the abuse you invite is all the attention you get.
Of course it is. He gets off on it, same as he gets off by "cyber-banging" ( :lulz: ) smelly fucking Pagans.
He's a useless fucking wanker, and I wish he would leave for good.
yes, exactly. Mostly people ignore him, so the only attention he gets is negative attention. And as a person with a personality disorder that renders him for all intents and purposes without any actual human value, he digs it. He wants to be be important and the center of attention, but he can't have that so he settles for feeding off the feeling of importance he gets from other people's contempt.
So maybe we could just ignore him then? I know I've mostly pledged him since a while. I'm just going to mention this once, cause I don't even want to give him this attention, but I've been meaning to say it for quite a while now. Please?
Quote from: Triple Zero on December 23, 2011, 04:54:48 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 22, 2011, 08:26:05 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 22, 2011, 08:21:17 PM
Quote from: Luna on December 22, 2011, 08:19:35 PM
You KNOW that any time you respond to Roger or Nigel you are going to get shat on. When all you seem to do is respond to one or the other of them for most of the day, it makes one wonder if the abuse you invite is all the attention you get.
Of course it is. He gets off on it, same as he gets off by "cyber-banging" ( :lulz: ) smelly fucking Pagans.
He's a useless fucking wanker, and I wish he would leave for good.
yes, exactly. Mostly people ignore him, so the only attention he gets is negative attention. And as a person with a personality disorder that renders him for all intents and purposes without any actual human value, he digs it. He wants to be be important and the center of attention, but he can't have that so he settles for feeding off the feeling of importance he gets from other people's contempt.
So maybe we could just ignore him then? I know I've mostly pledged him since a while. I'm just going to mention this once, cause I don't even want to give him this attention, but I've been meaning to say it for quite a while now. Please?
I mostly ignore him. I just kind of snapped yesterday. But you're right; ignoring him is the only good way to deal with him.
I understand, but he really does seem to get off on the snapping, negative replies really seem to encourage him, he's even literally stated as much.
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on December 23, 2011, 01:09:00 AM
BABYLON THREADJACKS AGAIN. WINS. Jesus. Let him languish and freak out by ignoring his wretched self.
I did not threadjack. I posted a relevant link to some gay rap. Rainbow Noise is a fairly successful GLBT hip hop label and the song I posted is a collaboration by quite a few of their artists.
That people were likely to respond by shitting all over me was not something I was unaware of, but it's still their own fault for reacting with a knee jerk monkey screeching reaction.
Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 23, 2011, 03:57:35 AM
That was in the context of comparing it to raping dead animals so I don't know that I'd offer a huge supply of brownie points.
Ah, right, well I only really remembered that line as it kinda stood out from what he usually says.