It's funny; it's almost like someone took one of the ideas I posted a couple of days ago and wrote a parable about it, as if they had thought of it themselves.
Someone who said they weren't going to contribute anymore, anyway. Entertainment only, and all that.
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=31062.msg1128679#msg1128679
Whoops. Dropped that.
But I'm sure he never even read that post, just like he makes a frequent point of mentioning that he never ever looks at that one thread of mine which I haven't posted in for two years.
this is why we can't have nice things
Quote from: Cramulus on December 22, 2011, 09:11:53 PM
this is why we can't have nice things
Because someone will come along and swipe them. :sad:
I don't get it ... :? nigel posted about needing more mirth. Rev Whats his Cantelope agrees and writes on that topic. And this is stealing? I thought we liked to build / collaborate on each other's ideas. I'm confused. Is the pro-mirth concept copyrighted? RWHN isn't plagiarizing anything, and Nigel apparently agrees with the spirit of it, so I don't see what the big deal is?
Quote from: Cramulus on December 22, 2011, 09:22:32 PM
I don't get it ... :? nigel posted about needing more mirth. Rev Whats his Cantelope agrees and writes on that topic. And this is stealing? I thought we liked to build / collaborate on each other's ideas. I'm confused. Is the pro-mirth concept copyrighted? RWHN isn't plagiarizing anything, and Nigel apparently agrees with the spirit of it, so I don't see what the big deal is?
For the last several days, RWHN has stated that he is done, no longer interested in contributing anything. Here for entertainment reasons only.
Then he takes a post by Nigel and blows it up into a rant, without any sort of acknowledgement.
Given his recent behavior and his recent claims of non-participation, I'm sort of concluding that this was done to drive Nigel batshit with rage.
Seems to have succeeded.
I am far too tired and happy from last night's party to be batshit, but I have certainly committed a few things to memory in a way that is unlikely to be lost anytime soon, and I have a particular tirelessness for dampening people who have earned it. :)
Nigel is far from the first person to be pro-mirth. I mean fuck, I can recall having said some shit like that before and I barely even post.
And things that can piss Nigel off being, well, everything, and this post qualifying as something, then I guess yeah it would piss her off.
Plus, what makes it not okay for RWHN to claim to no longer want to post content then do it anyway when so many, yourself included, do that all the time?
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on December 22, 2011, 09:30:26 PM
Nigel is far from the first person to be pro-mirth. I mean fuck, I can recall having said some shit like that before and I barely even post.
And things that can piss Nigel off being, well, everything, and this post qualifying as something, then I guess yeah it would piss her off.
Plus, what makes it not okay for RWHN to claim to no longer want to post content then do it anyway when so many, yourself included, do that all the time?
It just seemed targeted to me, is all.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 22, 2011, 09:31:17 PM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on December 22, 2011, 09:30:26 PM
Nigel is far from the first person to be pro-mirth. I mean fuck, I can recall having said some shit like that before and I barely even post.
And things that can piss Nigel off being, well, everything, and this post qualifying as something, then I guess yeah it would piss her off.
Plus, what makes it not okay for RWHN to claim to no longer want to post content then do it anyway when so many, yourself included, do that all the time?
It just seemed targeted to me, is all.
I don't know the particulars of you and RWHN and all that, but the Eris part read to me as RWHN reminding himself that there's a lot to this Discordia thing that he's forgotten. It feels like getting himself back in the game.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on December 22, 2011, 09:34:14 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 22, 2011, 09:31:17 PM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on December 22, 2011, 09:30:26 PM
Nigel is far from the first person to be pro-mirth. I mean fuck, I can recall having said some shit like that before and I barely even post.
And things that can piss Nigel off being, well, everything, and this post qualifying as something, then I guess yeah it would piss her off.
Plus, what makes it not okay for RWHN to claim to no longer want to post content then do it anyway when so many, yourself included, do that all the time?
It just seemed targeted to me, is all.
I don't know the particulars of you and RWHN and all that, but the Eris part read to me as RWHN reminding himself that there's a lot to this Discordia thing that he's forgotten. It feels like getting himself back in the game.
I hope that's the case.
I suppose I'll wait & see.
Quote from: Cramulus on December 22, 2011, 09:22:32 PM
I don't get it ... :? nigel posted about needing more mirth. Rev Whats his Cantelope agrees and writes on that topic. And this is stealing? I thought we liked to build / collaborate on each other's ideas. I'm confused. Is the pro-mirth concept copyrighted? RWHN isn't plagiarizing anything, and Nigel apparently agrees with the spirit of it, so I don't see what the big deal is?
Oh.
I guess that the only thing is that I wrote a fairly carefully thought out, if short, post about it, which was at least notable about it that someone quoted it and it was commented on, and I mentioned the thought in at least one other thread, and then someone who has professed that he doesn't like me (in those words, some time back) and is not here to provide content, took my previously-expressed idea and wrote a parable about it.
But naturally that need not involve me, and I should look right past it.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 22, 2011, 09:25:12 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on December 22, 2011, 09:22:32 PM
I don't get it ... :? nigel posted about needing more mirth. Rev Whats his Cantelope agrees and writes on that topic. And this is stealing? I thought we liked to build / collaborate on each other's ideas. I'm confused. Is the pro-mirth concept copyrighted? RWHN isn't plagiarizing anything, and Nigel apparently agrees with the spirit of it, so I don't see what the big deal is?
For the last several days, RWHN has stated that he is done, no longer interested in contributing anything. Here for entertainment reasons only.
Then he takes a post by Nigel and blows it up into a rant, without any sort of acknowledgement.
Given his recent behavior and his recent claims of non-participation, I'm sort of concluding that this was done to drive Nigel batshit with rage.
Seems to have succeeded.
So when he
does want to contribute something, he gets flamed for being inspired by nigel?
I dunno man... this is an internet forum, we post stuff, people riff on it and expound upon it, we build on each other's ideas and discuss.. I'm sort of confused as to you'd want to discourage that, being that we were just talking about how little content there is. I mean, I really liked the idea of shifting perspective towards mirth and absurdity too - do I need to get permission before I support that point?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 22, 2011, 09:31:17 PM
It just seemed targeted to me, is all.
:? I didn't get that impression
he seems to be pretty into the mirth idea (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=31094.0). I confess I haven't been following very closely, but I'm not sure how this is about you?
Quote from: Cramulus on December 22, 2011, 09:39:47 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 22, 2011, 09:25:12 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on December 22, 2011, 09:22:32 PM
I don't get it ... :? nigel posted about needing more mirth. Rev Whats his Cantelope agrees and writes on that topic. And this is stealing? I thought we liked to build / collaborate on each other's ideas. I'm confused. Is the pro-mirth concept copyrighted? RWHN isn't plagiarizing anything, and Nigel apparently agrees with the spirit of it, so I don't see what the big deal is?
For the last several days, RWHN has stated that he is done, no longer interested in contributing anything. Here for entertainment reasons only.
Then he takes a post by Nigel and blows it up into a rant, without any sort of acknowledgement.
Given his recent behavior and his recent claims of non-participation, I'm sort of concluding that this was done to drive Nigel batshit with rage.
Seems to have succeeded.
So when he does want to contribute something, he gets flamed for being inspired by nigel?
I dunno man... this is an internet forum, we post stuff, people riff on it and expound upon it, we build on each other's ideas and discuss.. I'm sort of confused as to you'd want to discourage that, being that we were just talking about how little content there is. I mean, I really liked the idea of shifting perspective towards mirth and absurdity too - do I need to get permission before I support that point?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 22, 2011, 09:31:17 PM
It just seemed targeted to me, is all.
:? I didn't get that impression
he seems to be pretty into the mirth idea (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=31094.0). I confess I haven't been following very closely, but I'm not sure how this is about you?
I never said it was about me.
...Okay, I guess I WON'T wait & see.
*shrug*
Flame on, and all that happy horseshit.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on December 22, 2011, 09:30:26 PM
Nigel is far from the first person to be pro-mirth. I mean fuck, I can recall having said some shit like that before and I barely even post.
And things that can piss Nigel off being, well, everything, and this post qualifying as something, then I guess yeah it would piss her off.
Plus, what makes it not okay for RWHN to claim to no longer want to post content then do it anyway when so many, yourself included, do that all the time?
It's very surprising, I'm sure, but what pisses me off is mostly just stupidity, narcissism, and malice.
And after a year or more of posting no content and stating an intention of posting no content, it's a bit... interesting... that a certain person who has expressed malice towards me would write a parable on a subject I had broached a day before, in a thread he was involved in. It's not a novel idea but the context in which I presented it is, as well as currently relevant, which is why this looks like poaching.
And poaching is a generous conclusion. The other is that it's baiting.
Quote from: Cramulus on December 22, 2011, 09:39:47 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 22, 2011, 09:25:12 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on December 22, 2011, 09:22:32 PM
I don't get it ... :? nigel posted about needing more mirth. Rev Whats his Cantelope agrees and writes on that topic. And this is stealing? I thought we liked to build / collaborate on each other's ideas. I'm confused. Is the pro-mirth concept copyrighted? RWHN isn't plagiarizing anything, and Nigel apparently agrees with the spirit of it, so I don't see what the big deal is?
For the last several days, RWHN has stated that he is done, no longer interested in contributing anything. Here for entertainment reasons only.
Then he takes a post by Nigel and blows it up into a rant, without any sort of acknowledgement.
Given his recent behavior and his recent claims of non-participation, I'm sort of concluding that this was done to drive Nigel batshit with rage.
Seems to have succeeded.
So when he does want to contribute something, he gets flamed for being inspired by nigel?
99% of the users here have the courtesy to drop a reference to the post that inspired them, or, even, to ask whether that poster intends to do further writing on that basis.
Which I did, actually, and have been privately discussing it, as well as referencing it in other threads, but fuck it. RWHN wants to take ownership, let him.
Quote from: Nigel on December 22, 2011, 09:48:44 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on December 22, 2011, 09:39:47 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 22, 2011, 09:25:12 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on December 22, 2011, 09:22:32 PM
I don't get it ... :? nigel posted about needing more mirth. Rev Whats his Cantelope agrees and writes on that topic. And this is stealing? I thought we liked to build / collaborate on each other's ideas. I'm confused. Is the pro-mirth concept copyrighted? RWHN isn't plagiarizing anything, and Nigel apparently agrees with the spirit of it, so I don't see what the big deal is?
For the last several days, RWHN has stated that he is done, no longer interested in contributing anything. Here for entertainment reasons only.
Then he takes a post by Nigel and blows it up into a rant, without any sort of acknowledgement.
Given his recent behavior and his recent claims of non-participation, I'm sort of concluding that this was done to drive Nigel batshit with rage.
Seems to have succeeded.
So when he does want to contribute something, he gets flamed for being inspired by nigel?
99% of the users here have the courtesy to drop a reference to the post that inspired them, or, even, to ask whether that poster intends to do further writing on that basis.
Which I did, actually, and have been privately discussing it, as well as referencing it in other threads, but fuck it. RWHN wants to take ownership, let him.
He won't, of course, once you walk away from it.
I'd like to see in which direction you'd take your idean, Nigel.
(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb163/wompcabal/forum/mkdramavscontent.png)
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on December 22, 2011, 09:53:50 PM
I'd like to see in which direction you'd take your idean, Nigel.
Maybe I will when I get un-irritated.
Fuck you, Cram. When did you become a hypocritical, passive-aggressive ass? At least have the fucking gonads to argue with me man to man and explain why my irritation is invalid, instead of the sideways poking with a padded LARPing stick.
Or is it that I'm supposed to just sit back and take his incompetent bullshit in order to "keep the peace"?
Or are you supposed to fan the flames? RWHN shouldn't have, in that other thread, because other people were having a constructive discussion, and yeah maybe you should ignore it because we all know everyone is just going to keep going and going and going and it'll never end unless one says fuck it I'm going to do my own thing, I thought we were looking at trying to go somewhere else because we found we don't like very much where the forum is right now, and that has nothing to do with whether you're right or not, maybe you are, I don't even know what post we're referring to here, but isn't this continuing the same thing steering back to where we left off? But if you think it's that important, by all means go ahead and continue the cycle.
I've always been into the mirth. I mean, I AM the pun-master after all. And this isn't the first pd-styled parable I've written. There is another one kicking around in this subforum that I wrote quite a few years ago. I've stated many times, that I always keyed into the Nonsense as Salvation type pieces of the PD. I think my content and style have made that rather self-evident. And I've always enjoyed that kind of story and like writing them. I'm sorry that you feel I stole your idea Nigel, but plainly put I didn't, and I don't think it makes any sense for me to attempt to persuade you otherwise.
Though, reading that post now, I don't get the sense that you were claiming exclusive rights to writing about the need for more mirth in the world.
And to be quite clear, my reasons for lack of content over the past couple of years are all related to the fact that A) I have a family that I like to spend time with and B) I have a fairly demanding job. Back when I was contributing a lot of content I was working a retail job with retail hours. I had chunks of time in the morning when I was alone and I could write stuff. I don't have that now. I don't even have time to write and play music like I used to. My time is pretty much tapped out save for the few minutes here and there I take a break to hang out here.
Anyway, that's my story and it's sticking to me. DAMN YOU GIGGLES!!!
And I probably will write more, and I probably will write more along the mirth theme. I might even revive the Shrapnel stuff which I've also been fairly keen on. If that bothers anyone, well, sorry.
Oh, it's THIS thread again.
The OP almost had me fooled. I thought maybe we were going to try something new.
I can't even explain how it feels to start getting invested in the possibility of discussing an idea and then have the rug pulled out from under me.
Actually, I can.
Massive dumping of content in this thread. (http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g213/05136/5748f2ec.jpg)
Quote from: Triple Zero on December 22, 2011, 11:22:26 PM
Or are you supposed to fan the flames? RWHN shouldn't have, in that other thread, because other people were having a constructive discussion, and yeah maybe you should ignore it because we all know everyone is just going to keep going and going and going and it'll never end unless one says fuck it I'm going to do my own thing, I thought we were looking at trying to go somewhere else because we found we don't like very much where the forum is right now, and that has nothing to do with whether you're right or not, maybe you are, I don't even know what post we're referring to here, but isn't this continuing the same thing steering back to where we left off? But if you think it's that important, by all means go ahead and continue the cycle.
I gave him fair warning. :)
I liked this OP a lot. Also really really loved the Dolores stuff.
The part where it dissolved into wanking over who had exclusive rights to broad concepts was probably not as enjoyable.
It's not about "exclusive rights". That would be stupid.
I guess it's just a funny coincidence. Especially since RWHN doesn't read anything I write. :)
Quote from: Nigel on December 23, 2011, 12:53:35 AM
I guess it's just a funny coincidence. Especially since RWHN doesn't read anything I write. :)
Did he say he doesn't read anything you write, or did his making a "frequent point of mentioning that he never ever looks at that one thread" convince you somehow that he had given his word he would avoid looking directly at your posts?
I didn't see him say that, but I might be wrong.
It just seems like this whole clusterfuck entirely boils down to determined misrepresentation and insistence on ignoring attempts at clarifying, which is stupid.
That's not specifically targeted at the quoted, but an observance of a general and fucking annoying trend.
I was going to respond but, meh, fuck that. I'm not playing THIS game.
But I am going to get me going a nice game of SINK. I've got this big ol fruit cake I got for Christmas that I got to get rid of. Who the fuck gives out fruit cake anymore?
I have never had fruit cake. Unless that stuff that leln brought to Moosemas last year was some, in which case I've had actual good fruitcake.
Quote from: Beardman Meow on December 23, 2011, 01:07:52 AM
Quote from: Nigel on December 23, 2011, 12:53:35 AM
I guess it's just a funny coincidence. Especially since RWHN doesn't read anything I write. :)
Did he say he doesn't read anything you write, or did his making a "frequent point of mentioning that he never ever looks at that one thread" convince you somehow that he had given his word he would avoid looking directly at your posts?
I didn't see him say that, but I might be wrong.
It just seems like this whole clusterfuck entirely boils down to determined misrepresentation and insistence on ignoring attempts at clarifying, which is stupid.
That's not specifically targeted at the quoted, but an observance of a general and fucking annoying trend.
That bit about not reading anything I write was sarcasm. :)
I'm just trying to give the man what he wants.
Quote from: Nigel on December 23, 2011, 01:21:41 AM
I'm just trying to give the man what he wants.
Which is what?
Quote from: Nigel on December 23, 2011, 01:26:53 AM
Quote from: Beardman Meow on December 23, 2011, 01:25:48 AM
Quote from: Nigel on December 23, 2011, 01:21:41 AM
I'm just trying to give the man what he wants.
Which is what?
Attention.
And what kind of behaviour would you expect to see if that isn't what he wanted?
Because it seems like ANYTHING can be framed as justification for shitting all over a thread, even when the interpretation which lead to that reaction is challenged.
Feels like a buttload of Ook Ook.
Quote from: Beardman Meow on December 23, 2011, 01:30:45 AM
Quote from: Nigel on December 23, 2011, 01:26:53 AM
Quote from: Beardman Meow on December 23, 2011, 01:25:48 AM
Quote from: Nigel on December 23, 2011, 01:21:41 AM
I'm just trying to give the man what he wants.
Which is what?
Attention.
And what kind of behaviour would you expect to see if that isn't what he wanted?
Because it seems like ANYTHING can be framed as justification for shitting all over a thread, even when the interpretation which lead to that reaction is challenged.
Feels like a buttload of Ook Ook.
Nah, it's a lot more deliberate than that.
It would be alot easier to sink this fucking fruitcake if I had snow!
By the way, could we prune this bullshit out of my thread? Everything after Cram's initial response would be nice.
Thanks in advance!
MLiaC.
Okay, well to get back on track.
Quote from: My Lady is a Cantaloupe on December 22, 2011, 01:56:39 PM
As my eyes came open, there she was, lying at the edge of my bed.
Welcoming me to the day with a warm smile.
At first, I was a bit shocked and flustered.
Who is this woman? What will my wife say if she wakes up? Wait, why isn't she waking up? She is a light sleeper after all. I didn't bring this woman here. I didn't welcome her to our home, but she might think-
"Be at peace. She will not awake. This is your moment and yours alone." she replied.
"Are you-?", I questioned in my head.
"Yes, I am" she replied.
"Why-"
"-am I here? To affirm what has troubled you so. To bring you some solace. And to ask you to cast outward upon others that which you hold inside under great pressure."
"How do you-?"
"I just do. It's part of this gig. To sense and perceive these thoughts. And I am here to tell you it is okay. That your thoughts are with much merit."
I paused and pondered.
"You are quite right. The world is mired in misery. There is much concentration on the doom and gloom on this planet. This is, of course, quite understandable. There is indeed much strife for so many. But, you are also right that it is also a trap to become so absorbed in this. That it is prone to suck in all of the life and light. That even those with earnest intentions to right the wrongs, can get lost in the darkness. The world needs more light. The world needs more joy. The world needs more frivolity."
I sat nodding, listening to her words. Words that seemed to be elicited and registered through mere thought and feeling. It was as though they were just floating in the air and gently being absorbed by my mind.
"You are given but a cosmic heartbeat to exist in this universe. It does seem a pity for much of that to dwell in pain and misery. It is as was told all of those years ago. Too many have forgotten the art and joy in playing games. Even those who earnestly wish to create a better world. They become so lost in the mission, that they forget to enjoy. You and others must help people remember. Remember to laugh. Remember to revel in the packets of pleasure this reality presents. To afford oneself those moments where they let their troubles and the troubles of the world melt away as they seek refuge in a rejuvenating chortle."
"But there is just so much negativity all around. The news reports on all of the awful stuff everyday. People are out of work. People can't heat their homes. People struggle to get their three squares."
"Oh, yes, this is all quite true. And the world DOES need champions fighting for and alongside those who are straddled with these very significant struggles. But those champions will be useless without hope and joy in their own lives. They need to live and embrace what they are fighting for. They need to be ambassadors for joy and inner peace. To share the possibilities at the end of the dark tunnel, and to stride hand in hand with great resolve towards those possibilities."
"Yes"
"This was a vital part of what I bestowed so long ago. Nonsense as Salvation. Take yourselves too seriously, take the world too seriously, and I fear you will be doomed to fail time and again. It's time to amp up the Nonsense. Bring the Joy and Laughter. Spread far and wide the Silliness and Glee. Wield these and together, you will all make great strides. Share these with others. Grow the Army. For sure, the darkness will still obtain many victories."
"Indeed"
"But, at least when the time comes when you fall as one of its victims, you can die with a big ol fucking grin on your face. Knowing, that you enjoyed the hell out of life, and then some. That is victory. That is a treasure that cannot be taken away. Bestow it onto your brethren."
And with that last word she was gone. The room had grown dark again. My wife still sound asleep next to me. I felt calm and reassured. I lied back down and drifted back to sleep. Waiting for tomorrow.
Thanks for this response Cramulus, I liked them alot and they definitely are following the same track.
Quote from: Cramulus on December 22, 2011, 06:04:20 PM
:mittens:
I like that, Rev. :)
It brings to mind a few words from our old pal Doloras, which I'd like to x-post here:
For everyone who's given up hope (http://chaosmarxism.blogspot.com/2011/08/for-everyone-whos-given-up-hope.html)
If "tomorrow" is the first lie of the Devil, perhaps the second lie might be that our own contribution has no value; that we are powerless to make a difference in the world. It is very easy to believe that this is so, seeing clearly our frailties & weaknesses. But this is a lie, nevertheless.
- Thanks, Vicious Bob (http://www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?entry=19872). I post this in response to the overwhelming negativity, bitterness and nihilism which have become the common sense of the liberal-leftist Internet in this day and age, this era of accelerating capitalist crisis, ecological collapse, the collapse of hopes that an imperialist war machine led by an intelligent black lawyer/academic would somehow be qualitatively different from one led by a borderline imbecile white fratboy, etc., etc...
But of course the ruling ideas of our epoch, like any other, are those of the ruling class. The ruling class want us to believe that "the war is over and the good guys lost" (L. Cohen), that their rule might be an obvious disaster but There Is No Alternative. But let's put it this way - okay, let's just assume for the sake of argument that we live at the beginning of a civilisational Dark Age like, I dunno, the European Middle Ages or the Chinese Warring States period. There's nothing that any individual can do about it, not even Noam Chomsky, John Lennon and Black Dynamite all put together. So what is your motivation for remaining alive?
Should we all load stones in our pockets and go down to the local river like Virginia Woolf? Or get drunk all the time, which is the slow-motion version of the same thing? Or give up and join the rat race to get our piece of the pie before it's too late? (Don't worry if that means selling our soul - it's not as if our soul was worth anything, and if the world is fucked whatever we do, we might as well be actively evil as long as it feels good, right?!?)
Credo quid absurdum. The only noble thing that it is still possible to do is to act as if what you did actually mattered. That is, act according to principle, as opposed to automatic ideas based on what you picked up from the TV or social chatter. Even if you're wrong, you make it possible for others to do so.
(Doloras entered nirvana, parenthetically.) (http://chaosmarxism.blogspot.com/2011/08/doloras-entered-nirvana-parenthetically.html)
All the great works of mystical literature say that the path to ego-loss is rapid-cycling-bipolar to the Nth degree. One minute God doesn't exist and you're full of crap, the next moment you're in Paradise eating from the fruits of the tree of Knowledge of Good And Evil and Endless Free Sex, and then God doesn't exist any more, and so on. Probably enlightenment comes when you realise that both are illusions, or as Hazrat-e-Pir Dr. Nurbakhsh would say, you give up on both this world and the Hereafter.
Because God doesn't exist in the world of blind matter and inescapable natural law. In contrast, the world of Love and Meaning and Compassion and really really good orgasms and cuddles and niceness and warm milk is nothing but God. We live in the hologram caused by the overlapping of the two worlds, to use Grant Morrison's terminology which I think he took from Philip K Dick.
Aphorism time:
He who tries to defend or describe or dismiss God with Logic is committing a foul sin against Logic as well as one against God.
I notice this in the similarity of the style of arguments made by both Catholic and Salafist theologians. Religion is just rules, which is a form of cause and effect and therefore of the hard, nasty world not the sweet, gentle world. I read a website by some heretical Muslims (http://www.submission.org/) who argue that God has actually set Satan up as temporary ruler of the planet. That might be a pretty good metaphor for describing what happens in revolutionary events... when the Black Iron Prison springs a leak and suddenly the impossible becomes possible (almost a definition of the presence of God).
Because that never lasts, and what happens afterwards is that the sweet spring of flowing nectar which existed for maybe a year or two maximum gets damned and polluted and set to drive the waterwheels of the dark satanic mills. The ekklesia, majlis or soviets of workers and soldiers' deputies become new engines of oppression. The institutions founded to guard the message end up destroying the message. And that's the price of success - having to cut a deal with the Prince of This World. Compare the umma after the death of the Prophet to the Soviet Union after the Civil War and see what I mean......
To be true to the spirit of the Revolution, which is precisely identical to the Holy Spirit and to what makes cats scream in the night and poets howl at the moon, we have to refuse rules, schemas, hierarchies and brain death - while at the same time refusing the opposite trap, of going back to worshipping our own egos. As Ayn Rand put it (and screw her, by the way) - "in the name of the best within all of us".
We don't need any more Prophets or idols, but we will always need idolsmashers (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x791or_kourosh-poursalchi-mohammad-was-a-p_music) and the Enlightened Masters who come to wake us up. But they get taken from us too early (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE6zvn8rHU4), so let's appreciate them while we have them.
also
http://chaosmarxism.blogspot.com/2011/06/further-to-below.html
[slightly edited for brevity]