I'm sure someone will be right along to explain how this is consistent with "family values"
http://gawker.com/5873138/teen-girl-mistakenly-deported-now-trapped-in-foreign-prison-and-pregnant
QuoteDistraught over the loss of her grandfather and her parents' divorce," 14-year-old Jakadrien Turner ran away from home, WFAA Dallas reports. Arrested for shoplifting in Houston, she used a fake name that actually belonged to a 22-year-old undocumented immigrant wanted for arrest. What follows is a nightmarish series of mistaken identities and institutional failures, culminating in a teen girl trapped alone and pregnant in a third-world prison.
Related to the issue of US immigration... they mentioned some figures on the morning news today, that the average illegal immigrants from Mexico to USA was about 1.6 million from 2000-2010, and 2011 turned up 1.1 million...
they didnt mention the variance of immigrants from year to year in 00-10, but if we assume the variance was slight, then thats about a 30% decrease... they interviewed some of them which said that there isnt much work anymore as before and that they are treated badly, even with raids in clubs when they close for the night...
Wow. :sad:
Quote from: Nigel on January 05, 2012, 05:24:15 PM
Wow. :sad:
They had no choice. She was legally brown, so she had to go.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 05, 2012, 05:28:56 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 05, 2012, 05:24:15 PM
Wow. :sad:
They had no choice. She was legally brown, so she had to go.
GAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH
Where did the head-explode guy go? Because that is what my head wants to do.
Quote from: Nigel on January 05, 2012, 05:33:30 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 05, 2012, 05:28:56 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 05, 2012, 05:24:15 PM
Wow. :sad:
They had no choice. She was legally brown, so she had to go.
GAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH :splodey:
No matter how sick our jokes are, the USA is even
sicker. We are the living embodiment of Poe's Law.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 05, 2012, 05:34:23 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 05, 2012, 05:33:30 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 05, 2012, 05:28:56 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 05, 2012, 05:24:15 PM
Wow. :sad:
They had no choice. She was legally brown, so she had to go.
GAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH :splodey:
No matter how sick our jokes are, the USA is even sicker. We are the living embodiment of Poe's Law.
I seriously. Would like to blow the whole thing up.
Quote from: Nigel on January 05, 2012, 05:35:39 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 05, 2012, 05:34:23 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 05, 2012, 05:33:30 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 05, 2012, 05:28:56 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 05, 2012, 05:24:15 PM
Wow. :sad:
They had no choice. She was legally brown, so she had to go.
GAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH :splodey:
No matter how sick our jokes are, the USA is even sicker. We are the living embodiment of Poe's Law.
I seriously. Would like to blow the whole thing up.
Personally, I believe Armageddon starts at home. What can YOU do, today, to destroy your community?
:asplode:
:asplode:
You were using the wrong code, Nigel.
And yes, this is absolutely :asplode: worthy.
Quote from: Doktora Phoxica Junia Decia Bruta on January 05, 2012, 05:49:26 PM
:asplode:
:asplode:
You were using the wrong code, Nigel.
And yes, this is absolutely :asplode: worthy.
I tried :asplode: first, and it doesn't work anymore.
: asplode : doesn't seem to be working either.
Most likely because it isn't in the pop-up window of available emotes.
I approve of the re-introduction of :mind ray: however.
Ah, the problem might be that you are using a different theme than I am. I am using the Curve theme.
Funnily enough, on this theme :craig: works, and I had never seen it before. It is lulz.
Quote from: Doktora Phoxica Junia Decia Bruta on January 05, 2012, 06:43:19 PM
Ah, the problem might be that you are using a different theme than I am. I am using the Curve theme.
Funnily enough, on this theme :craig: works, and I had never seen it before. It is lulz.
I loaded it. It's based on Larry Craig.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 05, 2012, 06:45:20 PM
Quote from: Doktora Phoxica Junia Decia Bruta on January 05, 2012, 06:43:19 PM
Ah, the problem might be that you are using a different theme than I am. I am using the Curve theme.
Funnily enough, on this theme :craig: works, and I had never seen it before. It is lulz.
I loaded it. It's based on Larry Craig.
Seeing what it is, I totally get the joke. :lol:
Anyway, as not to derail too much. I am eager to see what kind of response this incident garners if any, in the primary race.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 05, 2012, 05:37:01 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 05, 2012, 05:35:39 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 05, 2012, 05:34:23 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 05, 2012, 05:33:30 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 05, 2012, 05:28:56 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 05, 2012, 05:24:15 PM
Wow. :sad:
They had no choice. She was legally brown, so she had to go.
GAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH :splodey:
No matter how sick our jokes are, the USA is even sicker. We are the living embodiment of Poe's Law.
I seriously. Would like to blow the whole thing up.
Personally, I believe Armageddon starts at home. What can YOU do, today, to destroy your community?
You could get them all deported to Columbian prisons.
Quote from: Cain on January 05, 2012, 08:01:28 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 05, 2012, 05:37:01 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 05, 2012, 05:35:39 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 05, 2012, 05:34:23 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 05, 2012, 05:33:30 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 05, 2012, 05:28:56 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 05, 2012, 05:24:15 PM
Wow. :sad:
They had no choice. She was legally brown, so she had to go.
GAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH :splodey:
No matter how sick our jokes are, the USA is even sicker. We are the living embodiment of Poe's Law.
I seriously. Would like to blow the whole thing up.
Personally, I believe Armageddon starts at home. What can YOU do, today, to destroy your community?
You could get them all deported to Columbian prisons.
And raped, of course.
Jesus Christ, this is so awful that I'd like to say I can't believe it.
But I can.
lol Gawker
http://articles.cnn.com/2012-01-06/us/us_texas-colombia-teen_1_colombian-officials-flight-attendant-colombian-authorities?_s=PM:US
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/01/texas-teen-deported-colombia.html
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/01/texas-teen-deported-to-colombia-headed-home.html
She shouldn't be held responsible for lying under oath and maintaining a fake identity throughout the entire ordeal.
If we just finger printed every person once a year until adulthood we could help prevent this sort of tragedy from ever happening again.
The USA is to blame for not doing more to protect her from herself.
And her parents deserve every dime of the millions they'll get from the lawsuit and can rest easy knowing that in the future, their parenting of their child will be well funded and couldn't possibly go wrong again.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on January 10, 2012, 12:14:16 PM
lol Gawker
http://articles.cnn.com/2012-01-06/us/us_texas-colombia-teen_1_colombian-officials-flight-attendant-colombian-authorities?_s=PM:US
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/01/texas-teen-deported-colombia.html
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/01/texas-teen-deported-to-colombia-headed-home.html
She shouldn't be held responsible for lying under oath and maintaining a fake identity throughout the entire ordeal.
If we just finger printed every person once a year until adulthood we could help prevent this sort of tragedy from ever happening again.
The USA is to blame for not doing more to protect her from herself.
And her parents deserve every dime of the millions they'll get from the lawsuit and can rest easy knowing that in the future, their parenting of their child will be well funded and couldn't possibly go wrong again.
As much as I like personal responsibility, how can you say that deporting a 14 year old is a reasonable consequence for being stupid?
Also - wasn't there something in US law where you need some backing evidence beyond just a confession to convict someone?
Quote from: Disco Pickle on January 10, 2012, 12:14:16 PM
lol Gawker
http://articles.cnn.com/2012-01-06/us/us_texas-colombia-teen_1_colombian-officials-flight-attendant-colombian-authorities?_s=PM:US
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/01/texas-teen-deported-colombia.html
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/01/texas-teen-deported-to-colombia-headed-home.html
She shouldn't be held responsible for lying under oath and maintaining a fake identity throughout the entire ordeal.
If we just finger printed every person once a year until adulthood we could help prevent this sort of tragedy from ever happening again.
The USA is to blame for not doing more to protect her from herself.
And her parents deserve every dime of the millions they'll get from the lawsuit and can rest easy knowing that in the future, their parenting of their child will be well funded and couldn't possibly go wrong again.
What is
wrong with you?
So, DP, is it your contention that deportation is a reasonable punishment for lying to the police? Do you think the state should have that kind of power over an individual, for such an offence?
The Self is a social game for which one person (body) takes the blame.
He's just choosing to blame the 14-yr old female body for all of the events that happened to it.
How about the fact that anti-immigration/geographical exclusivity laws are fucking backward and illogical in the first place?
It is both tyrranical and foolhardy to give any entity the arbitrary power to control where a peaceful, sentient being chooses to exist.
Quote from: navkat on January 10, 2012, 02:10:59 PM
How about the fact that anti-immigration/geographical exclusivity laws are fucking backward and illogical in the first place?
It is both tyrranical and foolhardy to give any entity the arbitrary power to control where a peaceful, sentient being chooses to exist.
But you can't have people moving freely to explore new frontiers, Navkat.
That's downright UNAMERICAN.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on January 10, 2012, 12:14:16 PM
lol Gawker
http://articles.cnn.com/2012-01-06/us/us_texas-colombia-teen_1_colombian-officials-flight-attendant-colombian-authorities?_s=PM:US
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/01/texas-teen-deported-colombia.html
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/01/texas-teen-deported-to-colombia-headed-home.html
She shouldn't be held responsible for lying under oath and maintaining a fake identity throughout the entire ordeal.
If we just finger printed every person once a year until adulthood we could help prevent this sort of tragedy from ever happening again.
The USA is to blame for not doing more to protect her from herself.
And her parents deserve every dime of the millions they'll get from the lawsuit and can rest easy knowing that in the future, their parenting of their child will be well funded and couldn't possibly go wrong again.
She was 14 fucking years old, you asshole.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 10, 2012, 02:17:34 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on January 10, 2012, 12:14:16 PM
lol Gawker
http://articles.cnn.com/2012-01-06/us/us_texas-colombia-teen_1_colombian-officials-flight-attendant-colombian-authorities?_s=PM:US
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/01/texas-teen-deported-colombia.html
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/01/texas-teen-deported-to-colombia-headed-home.html
She shouldn't be held responsible for lying under oath and maintaining a fake identity throughout the entire ordeal.
If we just finger printed every person once a year until adulthood we could help prevent this sort of tragedy from ever happening again.
The USA is to blame for not doing more to protect her from herself.
And her parents deserve every dime of the millions they'll get from the lawsuit and can rest easy knowing that in the future, their parenting of their child will be well funded and couldn't possibly go wrong again.
She was 14 fucking years old, you asshole.
BUT ITS OKAY ROG. THEY WILL GET MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. HOW MANY OTHER PARENTS WILL BE SENDING THEIR DAUGHTERS OFF TO GET DEPORTED AND RAPED NOW THIS SCAM IS KNOWN?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Quote from: Demolition_Squid on January 10, 2012, 02:19:41 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 10, 2012, 02:17:34 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on January 10, 2012, 12:14:16 PM
lol Gawker
http://articles.cnn.com/2012-01-06/us/us_texas-colombia-teen_1_colombian-officials-flight-attendant-colombian-authorities?_s=PM:US
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/01/texas-teen-deported-colombia.html
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/01/texas-teen-deported-to-colombia-headed-home.html
She shouldn't be held responsible for lying under oath and maintaining a fake identity throughout the entire ordeal.
If we just finger printed every person once a year until adulthood we could help prevent this sort of tragedy from ever happening again.
The USA is to blame for not doing more to protect her from herself.
And her parents deserve every dime of the millions they'll get from the lawsuit and can rest easy knowing that in the future, their parenting of their child will be well funded and couldn't possibly go wrong again.
She was 14 fucking years old, you asshole.
BUT ITS OKAY ROG. THEY WILL GET MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. HOW MANY OTHER PARENTS WILL BE SENDING THEIR DAUGHTERS OFF TO GET DEPORTED AND RAPED NOW THIS SCAM IS KNOWN?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
This is exactly why I fucking hate objectivist right wing nut job assholes.
"That 14 year old got raped and imprisoned, and she
deserved it, for not thinking rationally at the age of 14."
What a fucking cunt DP is. I'm really having trouble describing my loathing right now.
Quote from: Demolition_Squid on January 10, 2012, 02:14:27 PM
Quote from: navkat on January 10, 2012, 02:10:59 PM
How about the fact that anti-immigration/geographical exclusivity laws are fucking backward and illogical in the first place?
It is both tyrranical and foolhardy to give any entity the arbitrary power to control where a peaceful, sentient being chooses to exist.
But you can't have people moving freely to explore new frontiers, Navkat.
That's downright UNAMERICAN.
Hey, as long as they don't run around with muskets, carry disease to which we have no herd immunity, wipe out the food supply, try to convert us to their religion and kick us off our own land, I say LET THE GATES OPEN WIDE.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 10, 2012, 02:22:13 PM
Quote from: Demolition_Squid on January 10, 2012, 02:19:41 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 10, 2012, 02:17:34 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on January 10, 2012, 12:14:16 PM
lol Gawker
http://articles.cnn.com/2012-01-06/us/us_texas-colombia-teen_1_colombian-officials-flight-attendant-colombian-authorities?_s=PM:US
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/01/texas-teen-deported-colombia.html
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/01/texas-teen-deported-to-colombia-headed-home.html
She shouldn't be held responsible for lying under oath and maintaining a fake identity throughout the entire ordeal.
If we just finger printed every person once a year until adulthood we could help prevent this sort of tragedy from ever happening again.
The USA is to blame for not doing more to protect her from herself.
And her parents deserve every dime of the millions they'll get from the lawsuit and can rest easy knowing that in the future, their parenting of their child will be well funded and couldn't possibly go wrong again.
She was 14 fucking years old, you asshole.
BUT ITS OKAY ROG. THEY WILL GET MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. HOW MANY OTHER PARENTS WILL BE SENDING THEIR DAUGHTERS OFF TO GET DEPORTED AND RAPED NOW THIS SCAM IS KNOWN?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
This is exactly why I fucking hate objectivist right wing nut job assholes.
"That 14 year old got raped and imprisoned, and she deserved it, for not thinking rationally at the age of 14."
What a fucking cunt DP is. I'm really having trouble describing my loathing right now.
I hope he's drunk, or trolling, or any of the other trite excuses he brings out whenever he says something like this.
Because the thought that there are things shaped like humans out there who really believe that shit, and so few of them choking to death on their own teeth...
Quote from: Demolition_Squid on January 10, 2012, 02:28:09 PM
I hope he's drunk, or trolling, or any of the other trite excuses he brings out whenever he says something like this.
Because the thought that there are things shaped like humans out there who really believe that shit, and so few of them choking to death on their own teeth...
Actually, I think it's a cross between a massive pile of butthurt and actual belief.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on January 10, 2012, 12:14:16 PM
lol Gawker
http://articles.cnn.com/2012-01-06/us/us_texas-colombia-teen_1_colombian-officials-flight-attendant-colombian-authorities?_s=PM:US
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/01/texas-teen-deported-colombia.html
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/01/texas-teen-deported-to-colombia-headed-home.html
She shouldn't be held responsible for lying under oath and maintaining a fake identity throughout the entire ordeal.
If we just finger printed every person once a year until adulthood we could help prevent this sort of tragedy from ever happening again.
The USA is to blame for not doing more to protect her from herself.
And her parents deserve every dime of the millions they'll get from the lawsuit and can rest easy knowing that in the future, their parenting of their child will be well funded and couldn't possibly go wrong again.
Are you fucking serious?
Choke on liquid feces, you fucking twunt.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 10, 2012, 02:22:13 PM
Quote from: Demolition_Squid on January 10, 2012, 02:19:41 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 10, 2012, 02:17:34 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on January 10, 2012, 12:14:16 PM
lol Gawker
http://articles.cnn.com/2012-01-06/us/us_texas-colombia-teen_1_colombian-officials-flight-attendant-colombian-authorities?_s=PM:US
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/01/texas-teen-deported-colombia.html
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/01/texas-teen-deported-to-colombia-headed-home.html
She shouldn't be held responsible for lying under oath and maintaining a fake identity throughout the entire ordeal.
If we just finger printed every person once a year until adulthood we could help prevent this sort of tragedy from ever happening again.
The USA is to blame for not doing more to protect her from herself.
And her parents deserve every dime of the millions they'll get from the lawsuit and can rest easy knowing that in the future, their parenting of their child will be well funded and couldn't possibly go wrong again.
She was 14 fucking years old, you asshole.
BUT ITS OKAY ROG. THEY WILL GET MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. HOW MANY OTHER PARENTS WILL BE SENDING THEIR DAUGHTERS OFF TO GET DEPORTED AND RAPED NOW THIS SCAM IS KNOWN?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
This is exactly why I fucking hate objectivist right wing nut job assholes.
"That 14 year old got raped and imprisoned, and she deserved it, for not thinking rationally at the age of 14."
What a fucking cunt DP is. I'm really having trouble describing my loathing right now.
:cn:
I must have missed the part where she was raped in the 4 different articles I read about it. She DID list her FB page as dating a guy in Columbia. While I don't think it's been reported just who the father is, I'll go with Occam's Razor. So, Statutory Rape. Oh, but not in Columbia unless she was deceived into it. Given her recent history with truth, I'm disinclined to think that was the case.
And how were they supposed to know she was 14? Cut her open and count the rings? She maintained a lie about her identity and claimed to be someone else, someone older, then changed her FB profile to reflect this persona.
Maybe a fingerprint run WOULD have stopped it but who can say. I wasn't fingerprinted until I was an adult. I can't say I know what common practice is these days. Certainly someone could have attempted to find out if she actually spoke Spanish but even that wouldn't prove anything.
Quote from: Cain on January 10, 2012, 01:16:16 PM
So, DP, is it your contention that deportation is a reasonable punishment for lying to the police? Do you think the state should have that kind of power over an individual, for such an offence?
Of course not. She wasn't deported for lying. She was deported for assuming the false identity of a foreign national without ID, a visa or citizenship. That will get you deported from nearly every country on the planet. I'm an open borders guy myself, but this event didn't occur in a bubble of how I wish the world was, it happened in the world that currently is.
I know you don't like my politics but I'm a little surprised that you of all people would pull THAT out of what I said.
Quote from: Demolition_Squid on January 10, 2012, 01:14:37 PM
What is wrong with you?
What the fuck is wrong with
YOU?
Even ignoring the fact that Gawker wrote the article in a way that immediately makes you biased against the immigration system and garners sympathy for the idiot, had you done a bit more reading of the facts you might have come to a more thoughtful conclusion, not the knee-jerk one the article was written to illicit.
Yes, she was in a detention facility, held there BY the Colombian government at the request of the US Embassy, acting on a request by Dallas PD and her Family to pick her up from the house where she was working. Maybe living, that information isn't available.
This isn't even a case of "poor, innocent child got caught in the machine and the machine spit her out in a foreign country completely against her will and against all protest about her real identity" She ACTIVELY sought to be this other person, she WANTED to go to Columbia and created her persona around this false identity of a 22 year old woman from Columbia, even changing her entire facebook profile to reflect this.
At ANY point in the entire ordeal she could have said "Hey, I'm lying, I'm really an American named Jakadrien Turner, here's my address and phone number, could you please call my parents and tell them I am safe?"
Even when she arrived in the damn country she could have gone to the US Consulate and said the same thing and people would have HELPED her get home.
But clearly this is an indictment of ICE, who didn't do more to help someone who didn't want to be helped. It's clearly the fault of the officials who, had they even an incling that she wasn't who she said she was but was really a 14 year old runaway, would have done everything in their power to return her to her family, instead did exactly what their job it is to do.
She lied to them, told them she was someone else, someone with every requirement necessary to be deported back to your country of origin, and the situation came to it's logical conclusion based on the information they were given, and you're fucking SURPRISED?!
No, this is clearly a case of being brown in 'Merica, as Roger contends, forgetting entirely that had she claimed to be of any other nationality, and provided a name of a known person of that nationality, with no ID, no fingerprint record, no VISA, nothing to help anyone save her from her own fucking stupidity and lies, regardless of her skin color, she would have been deported to that country.
Yeah, I'm just the crazy fucking asshole who's not thinking logically.
Clearly.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on January 10, 2012, 05:30:43 PM
Yeah, I'm just the crazy fucking asshole who's not thinking logically.
1. It is your opinion that a 14 year old can give consent?
2. And no, you were the FUCKING ASSHOLE THAT THOUGHT WHAT HAPPENED TO HER WAS APPROPRIATE, DESERVED, AND/OR FUNNY.
You're a prime example of why I fucking hate Randists.
Unfortunately, your first post on the matter left all of that out in favor of "she deserved it!"
ETA: directed at Pickles' last post
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on January 10, 2012, 05:38:37 PM
Unfortunately, your first post on the matter left all of that out in favor of "she deserved it!"
Certainly. She made a series of bad calls at the advanced age of 14.
The Free Market™ demanded the subsequent events.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on January 10, 2012, 05:30:43 PM
And how were they supposed to know she was 14? Cut her open and count the rings?
You do know how to make an impression, don't you.
I'm never going to be able to read anything DP writes without thinking those two questions first.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 10, 2012, 05:36:55 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on January 10, 2012, 05:30:43 PM
Yeah, I'm just the crazy fucking asshole who's not thinking logically.
1. It is your opinion that a 14 year old can give consent?
2. And no, you were the FUCKING ASSHOLE THAT THOUGHT WHAT HAPPENED TO HER WAS APPROPRIATE, DESERVED, AND/OR FUNNY.
You're a prime example of why I fucking hate Randists.
It is not my opinion a 14 year old can consent. I'm not convinced a 16 year old should be able to consent. The people of Columbia think differently, and when you're in another country you are subject to their laws, even if they differ from your own.
I didn't think it was appropriate or funny.
She didn't "deserve" to be separated from her family as a child, in a foreign country, where she didn't even speak the native language, but that's exactly where she wanted to go and I was pissed at the threads' contention that it was the fault of some poor paper pushers and police who, had they been given accurate information, would have pulled out all stops to return her to her family, but just didn't do enough to save her from herself.
You cannot help someone who acts to actively deceive and subvert the systems designed to help people in just this situation.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on January 10, 2012, 05:49:14 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 10, 2012, 05:36:55 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on January 10, 2012, 05:30:43 PM
Yeah, I'm just the crazy fucking asshole who's not thinking logically.
1. It is your opinion that a 14 year old can give consent?
2. And no, you were the FUCKING ASSHOLE THAT THOUGHT WHAT HAPPENED TO HER WAS APPROPRIATE, DESERVED, AND/OR FUNNY.
You're a prime example of why I fucking hate Randists.
It is not my opinion a 14 year old can consent. I'm not convinced a 16 year old should be able to consent. The people of Columbia think differently, and when you're in another country you are subject to their laws, even if they differ from your own.
I didn't think it was appropriate or funny.
She didn't "deserve" to be separated from her family as a child, in a foreign country, where she didn't even speak the native language, but that's exactly where she wanted to go and I was pissed at the threads' contention that it was the fault of some poor paper pushers and police who, had they been given accurate information, would have pulled out all stops to return her to her family, but just didn't do enough to save her from herself.
You cannot help someone who acts to actively deceive and subvert the systems designed to help people in just this situation.
So it's okay to HAW HAW at something like this happening? To take a little smug satisfaction in it?
Actually, I was full of rage, not laughing. Rage mostly directed at her parents, who apparently received the notice that parenting is a lost art, and will now use their own bad parenting as an excuse to sue the state, i.e. the rest of us, or those of us who's children would never even THINK about assuming a false identity with the intention of being deported to go live with their boyfriend in another country. And they wouldn't ever think of doing that because they were raised to be human beings.
I invite you to read your own words.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on January 10, 2012, 12:14:16 PM
lol Gawker
http://articles.cnn.com/2012-01-06/us/us_texas-colombia-teen_1_colombian-officials-flight-attendant-colombian-authorities?_s=PM:US
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/01/texas-teen-deported-colombia.html
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/01/texas-teen-deported-to-colombia-headed-home.html
She shouldn't be held responsible for lying under oath and maintaining a fake identity throughout the entire ordeal.
If we just finger printed every person once a year until adulthood we could help prevent this sort of tragedy from ever happening again.
The USA is to blame for not doing more to protect her from herself.
And her parents deserve every dime of the millions they'll get from the lawsuit and can rest easy knowing that in the future, their parenting of their child will be well funded and couldn't possibly go wrong again.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on January 10, 2012, 05:54:09 PM
Rage mostly directed at her parents, who apparently received the notice that parenting is a lost art,
Two adults divorce, the kid takes it badly and does a runner. Yeah, that's obviously evidence of poor parenting, because no properly-raised kid ever does anything irrational.
So, yeah, not buying it, especially given the "lol" that started your post off.
Also, I'm not sure I can stomach the idea you have that the state cannot be held accountable if it means a few of your precious tax dollars go to the family instead of to Goldman Sachs.
the lol was about the Gawker article.
I can see now how that one, first "word" could very easily give the impression I was laughing about the entire situation.
I don't see how anything else I wrote gives the impression I was in any way amused. Badly imitating a style I see used on this forum often. Clearly not doinitrite.
Mocking, most definitely. The story and the thread put me on edge.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on January 10, 2012, 05:59:23 PM
the lol was about the Gawker article.
I can see now how that one, first "word" could very easily give the impression I was laughing about the entire situation.
I don't see how anything else I wrote gives the impression I was in any way amused. Badly imitating a style I see used on this forum often. Clearly not doinitrite.
Mocking, most definitely. The story and the thread put me on edge.
Well, sure. The State™ certainly can't be blamed. They are perfect and never make any sort of monumental fuckups.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 10, 2012, 05:57:59 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on January 10, 2012, 05:54:09 PM
Rage mostly directed at her parents, who apparently received the notice that parenting is a lost art,
Two adults divorce, the kid takes it badly and does a runner. Yeah, that's obviously evidence of poor parenting, because no properly-raised kid ever does anything irrational.
So, yeah, not buying it, especially given the "lol" that started your post off.
Also, I'm not sure I can stomach the idea you have that the state cannot be held accountable if it means a few of your precious tax dollars go to the family instead of to Goldman Sachs.
Does a runner to another city and lies her way into working at a dance club, before shoplifting, getting caught, and lying her way into a deportation in a foreign country where she takes up with an older man, gets pregnant, and actively "lives" in a false identity.
Yeah, nothing at all points to parenting or it's lack having anything to do with the above behaviors.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on January 10, 2012, 06:02:01 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 10, 2012, 05:57:59 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on January 10, 2012, 05:54:09 PM
Rage mostly directed at her parents, who apparently received the notice that parenting is a lost art,
Two adults divorce, the kid takes it badly and does a runner. Yeah, that's obviously evidence of poor parenting, because no properly-raised kid ever does anything irrational.
So, yeah, not buying it, especially given the "lol" that started your post off.
Also, I'm not sure I can stomach the idea you have that the state cannot be held accountable if it means a few of your precious tax dollars go to the family instead of to Goldman Sachs.
Does a runner to another city and lies her way into working at a dance club, before shoplifting, getting caught, and lying her way into a deportation in a foreign country where she takes up with an older man, gets pregnant, and actively "lives" in a false identity.
Yeah, nothing at all points to parenting or it's lack having anything to do with the above behaviors.
Properly raised kids
1 never do any shit like that at all.
1 White?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 10, 2012, 06:00:27 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on January 10, 2012, 05:59:23 PM
the lol was about the Gawker article.
I can see now how that one, first "word" could very easily give the impression I was laughing about the entire situation.
I don't see how anything else I wrote gives the impression I was in any way amused. Badly imitating a style I see used on this forum often. Clearly not doinitrite.
Mocking, most definitely. The story and the thread put me on edge.
Well, sure. The State™ certainly can't be blamed. They are perfect and never make any sort of monumental fuckups.
When the The State™ is grossly negligent, or even slightly negligent IMO, citizens most certainly must have the right to a trial. I never even slightly hinted anything to the contrary.
In this instance, given all of the information available to the people doing the job, this was exactly what was supposed to happen.
I am convinced that DP has never actually interacted with a 14 year old.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 10, 2012, 06:03:32 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on January 10, 2012, 06:02:01 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 10, 2012, 05:57:59 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on January 10, 2012, 05:54:09 PM
Rage mostly directed at her parents, who apparently received the notice that parenting is a lost art,
Two adults divorce, the kid takes it badly and does a runner. Yeah, that's obviously evidence of poor parenting, because no properly-raised kid ever does anything irrational.
So, yeah, not buying it, especially given the "lol" that started your post off.
Also, I'm not sure I can stomach the idea you have that the state cannot be held accountable if it means a few of your precious tax dollars go to the family instead of to Goldman Sachs.
Does a runner to another city and lies her way into working at a dance club, before shoplifting, getting caught, and lying her way into a deportation in a foreign country where she takes up with an older man, gets pregnant, and actively "lives" in a false identity.
Yeah, nothing at all points to parenting or it's lack having anything to do with the above behaviors.
Properly raised kids1 never do any shit like that at all.
1 White?
:facepalm:
Quote from: Disco Pickle on January 10, 2012, 06:04:47 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 10, 2012, 06:00:27 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on January 10, 2012, 05:59:23 PM
the lol was about the Gawker article.
I can see now how that one, first "word" could very easily give the impression I was laughing about the entire situation.
I don't see how anything else I wrote gives the impression I was in any way amused. Badly imitating a style I see used on this forum often. Clearly not doinitrite.
Mocking, most definitely. The story and the thread put me on edge.
Well, sure. The State™ certainly can't be blamed. They are perfect and never make any sort of monumental fuckups.
When the The State™ is grossly negligent, or even slightly negligent IMO, citizens most certainly must have the right to a trial. I never even slightly hinted anything to the contrary.
In this instance, given all of the information available to the people doing the job, this was exactly what was supposed to happen.
Well, sure. Getting a physical description of the person she claimed to be before handing her over to Columbia would have been utterly unreasonable, given that there is no fast or easy way to transmit said information in this primitive day & age.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on January 10, 2012, 06:06:14 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 10, 2012, 06:03:32 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on January 10, 2012, 06:02:01 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 10, 2012, 05:57:59 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on January 10, 2012, 05:54:09 PM
Rage mostly directed at her parents, who apparently received the notice that parenting is a lost art,
Two adults divorce, the kid takes it badly and does a runner. Yeah, that's obviously evidence of poor parenting, because no properly-raised kid ever does anything irrational.
So, yeah, not buying it, especially given the "lol" that started your post off.
Also, I'm not sure I can stomach the idea you have that the state cannot be held accountable if it means a few of your precious tax dollars go to the family instead of to Goldman Sachs.
Does a runner to another city and lies her way into working at a dance club, before shoplifting, getting caught, and lying her way into a deportation in a foreign country where she takes up with an older man, gets pregnant, and actively "lives" in a false identity.
Yeah, nothing at all points to parenting or it's lack having anything to do with the above behaviors.
Properly raised kids1 never do any shit like that at all.
1 White?
:facepalm:
What did you expect? Other than the fact that a divorce was mentioned, you have no idea what her upbringing was like. None whatsoever. Yet you have decided to pin the actions of a foolish child on her parents, with no basis to do so other than the child did those things, which is circular reasoning of the first water.
And given the nature of some of your drunken, abusive rants, I decided that *I* would make a few inferences of my own, with EXACTLY the same amount of evidence and reasoning that you yourself used.
One of those inferences being that you are basing your accusation of poor parenting on the fact that she is Black. Do I have any evidence of this? Yes. The same exact level of evidence that led you to believe that parenting caused this, or that money was the motive of the parents. Somehow.
That shoe pinches like a mad bastard when it's on the other foot, doesn't it, you judgemental jackass?
Quote from: Disco Pickle on January 10, 2012, 05:30:43 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 10, 2012, 02:22:13 PM
Quote from: Demolition_Squid on January 10, 2012, 02:19:41 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 10, 2012, 02:17:34 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on January 10, 2012, 12:14:16 PM
lol Gawker
http://articles.cnn.com/2012-01-06/us/us_texas-colombia-teen_1_colombian-officials-flight-attendant-colombian-authorities?_s=PM:US
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/01/texas-teen-deported-colombia.html
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/01/texas-teen-deported-to-colombia-headed-home.html
She shouldn't be held responsible for lying under oath and maintaining a fake identity throughout the entire ordeal.
If we just finger printed every person once a year until adulthood we could help prevent this sort of tragedy from ever happening again.
The USA is to blame for not doing more to protect her from herself.
And her parents deserve every dime of the millions they'll get from the lawsuit and can rest easy knowing that in the future, their parenting of their child will be well funded and couldn't possibly go wrong again.
She was 14 fucking years old, you asshole.
BUT ITS OKAY ROG. THEY WILL GET MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. HOW MANY OTHER PARENTS WILL BE SENDING THEIR DAUGHTERS OFF TO GET DEPORTED AND RAPED NOW THIS SCAM IS KNOWN?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
This is exactly why I fucking hate objectivist right wing nut job assholes.
"That 14 year old got raped and imprisoned, and she deserved it, for not thinking rationally at the age of 14."
What a fucking cunt DP is. I'm really having trouble describing my loathing right now.
:cn:
I must have missed the part where she was raped in the 4 different articles I read about it. She DID list her FB page as dating a guy in Columbia. While I don't think it's been reported just who the father is, I'll go with Occam's Razor. So, Statutory Rape. Oh, but not in Columbia unless she was deceived into it. Given her recent history with truth, I'm disinclined to think that was the case.
And how were they supposed to know she was 14? Cut her open and count the rings? She maintained a lie about her identity and claimed to be someone else, someone older, then changed her FB profile to reflect this persona.
Maybe a fingerprint run WOULD have stopped it but who can say. I wasn't fingerprinted until I was an adult. I can't say I know what common practice is these days. Certainly someone could have attempted to find out if she actually spoke Spanish but even that wouldn't prove anything.
Quote from: Cain on January 10, 2012, 01:16:16 PM
So, DP, is it your contention that deportation is a reasonable punishment for lying to the police? Do you think the state should have that kind of power over an individual, for such an offence?
Of course not. She wasn't deported for lying. She was deported for assuming the false identity of a foreign national without ID, a visa or citizenship. That will get you deported from nearly every country on the planet. I'm an open borders guy myself, but this event didn't occur in a bubble of how I wish the world was, it happened in the world that currently is.
I know you don't like my politics but I'm a little surprised that you of all people would pull THAT out of what I said.
Quote from: Demolition_Squid on January 10, 2012, 01:14:37 PM
What is wrong with you?
What the fuck is wrong with YOU?
Even ignoring the fact that Gawker wrote the article in a way that immediately makes you biased against the immigration system and garners sympathy for the idiot, had you done a bit more reading of the facts you might have come to a more thoughtful conclusion, not the knee-jerk one the article was written to illicit.
Yes, she was in a detention facility, held there BY the Colombian government at the request of the US Embassy, acting on a request by Dallas PD and her Family to pick her up from the house where she was working. Maybe living, that information isn't available.
This isn't even a case of "poor, innocent child got caught in the machine and the machine spit her out in a foreign country completely against her will and against all protest about her real identity" She ACTIVELY sought to be this other person, she WANTED to go to Columbia and created her persona around this false identity of a 22 year old woman from Columbia, even changing her entire facebook profile to reflect this.
At ANY point in the entire ordeal she could have said "Hey, I'm lying, I'm really an American named Jakadrien Turner, here's my address and phone number, could you please call my parents and tell them I am safe?"
Even when she arrived in the damn country she could have gone to the US Consulate and said the same thing and people would have HELPED her get home.
But clearly this is an indictment of ICE, who didn't do more to help someone who didn't want to be helped. It's clearly the fault of the officials who, had they even an incling that she wasn't who she said she was but was really a 14 year old runaway, would have done everything in their power to return her to her family, instead did exactly what their job it is to do.
She lied to them, told them she was someone else, someone with every requirement necessary to be deported back to your country of origin, and the situation came to it's logical conclusion based on the information they were given, and you're fucking SURPRISED?!
No, this is clearly a case of being brown in 'Merica, as Roger contends, forgetting entirely that had she claimed to be of any other nationality, and provided a name of a known person of that nationality, with no ID, no fingerprint record, no VISA, nothing to help anyone save her from her own fucking stupidity and lies, regardless of her skin color, she would have been deported to that country.
Yeah, I'm just the crazy fucking asshole who's not thinking logically.
Clearly.
I have nothing to say to you any more. I'm just going to direct you to this: http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,30522.105/msg,1105825.html
Quote from: Demolition_Squid on January 10, 2012, 06:34:39 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on January 10, 2012, 05:30:43 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 10, 2012, 02:22:13 PM
Quote from: Demolition_Squid on January 10, 2012, 02:19:41 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 10, 2012, 02:17:34 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on January 10, 2012, 12:14:16 PM
lol Gawker
http://articles.cnn.com/2012-01-06/us/us_texas-colombia-teen_1_colombian-officials-flight-attendant-colombian-authorities?_s=PM:US
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/01/texas-teen-deported-colombia.html
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/01/texas-teen-deported-to-colombia-headed-home.html
She shouldn't be held responsible for lying under oath and maintaining a fake identity throughout the entire ordeal.
If we just finger printed every person once a year until adulthood we could help prevent this sort of tragedy from ever happening again.
The USA is to blame for not doing more to protect her from herself.
And her parents deserve every dime of the millions they'll get from the lawsuit and can rest easy knowing that in the future, their parenting of their child will be well funded and couldn't possibly go wrong again.
She was 14 fucking years old, you asshole.
BUT ITS OKAY ROG. THEY WILL GET MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. HOW MANY OTHER PARENTS WILL BE SENDING THEIR DAUGHTERS OFF TO GET DEPORTED AND RAPED NOW THIS SCAM IS KNOWN?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
This is exactly why I fucking hate objectivist right wing nut job assholes.
"That 14 year old got raped and imprisoned, and she deserved it, for not thinking rationally at the age of 14."
What a fucking cunt DP is. I'm really having trouble describing my loathing right now.
:cn:
I must have missed the part where she was raped in the 4 different articles I read about it. She DID list her FB page as dating a guy in Columbia. While I don't think it's been reported just who the father is, I'll go with Occam's Razor. So, Statutory Rape. Oh, but not in Columbia unless she was deceived into it. Given her recent history with truth, I'm disinclined to think that was the case.
And how were they supposed to know she was 14? Cut her open and count the rings? She maintained a lie about her identity and claimed to be someone else, someone older, then changed her FB profile to reflect this persona.
Maybe a fingerprint run WOULD have stopped it but who can say. I wasn't fingerprinted until I was an adult. I can't say I know what common practice is these days. Certainly someone could have attempted to find out if she actually spoke Spanish but even that wouldn't prove anything.
Quote from: Cain on January 10, 2012, 01:16:16 PM
So, DP, is it your contention that deportation is a reasonable punishment for lying to the police? Do you think the state should have that kind of power over an individual, for such an offence?
Of course not. She wasn't deported for lying. She was deported for assuming the false identity of a foreign national without ID, a visa or citizenship. That will get you deported from nearly every country on the planet. I'm an open borders guy myself, but this event didn't occur in a bubble of how I wish the world was, it happened in the world that currently is.
I know you don't like my politics but I'm a little surprised that you of all people would pull THAT out of what I said.
Quote from: Demolition_Squid on January 10, 2012, 01:14:37 PM
What is wrong with you?
What the fuck is wrong with YOU?
Even ignoring the fact that Gawker wrote the article in a way that immediately makes you biased against the immigration system and garners sympathy for the idiot, had you done a bit more reading of the facts you might have come to a more thoughtful conclusion, not the knee-jerk one the article was written to illicit.
Yes, she was in a detention facility, held there BY the Colombian government at the request of the US Embassy, acting on a request by Dallas PD and her Family to pick her up from the house where she was working. Maybe living, that information isn't available.
This isn't even a case of "poor, innocent child got caught in the machine and the machine spit her out in a foreign country completely against her will and against all protest about her real identity" She ACTIVELY sought to be this other person, she WANTED to go to Columbia and created her persona around this false identity of a 22 year old woman from Columbia, even changing her entire facebook profile to reflect this.
At ANY point in the entire ordeal she could have said "Hey, I'm lying, I'm really an American named Jakadrien Turner, here's my address and phone number, could you please call my parents and tell them I am safe?"
Even when she arrived in the damn country she could have gone to the US Consulate and said the same thing and people would have HELPED her get home.
But clearly this is an indictment of ICE, who didn't do more to help someone who didn't want to be helped. It's clearly the fault of the officials who, had they even an incling that she wasn't who she said she was but was really a 14 year old runaway, would have done everything in their power to return her to her family, instead did exactly what their job it is to do.
She lied to them, told them she was someone else, someone with every requirement necessary to be deported back to your country of origin, and the situation came to it's logical conclusion based on the information they were given, and you're fucking SURPRISED?!
No, this is clearly a case of being brown in 'Merica, as Roger contends, forgetting entirely that had she claimed to be of any other nationality, and provided a name of a known person of that nationality, with no ID, no fingerprint record, no VISA, nothing to help anyone save her from her own fucking stupidity and lies, regardless of her skin color, she would have been deported to that country.
Yeah, I'm just the crazy fucking asshole who's not thinking logically.
Clearly.
I have nothing to say to you any more. I'm just going to direct you to this: http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,30522.105/msg,1105825.html
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Why do we keep giving DP the credit that he's smart enough to actually hold a debate and stay consistent on his point and message? We really should have learned by now. :lulz:
Quote from: Demolition_Squid on January 10, 2012, 06:34:39 PM
I have nothing to say to you any more. I'm just going to direct you to this: http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,30522.105/msg,1105825.html
Because people on this forum who post when they are intoxicated should be judged by the content of their posts from that moment forward, based entirely on that post.
I'm of the belief that things said when inebriated were thought out well before hand when sober. That being said, yes there was some srs belief behind some of the things I wrote in the OP of that thread.
I think that, based on my influences, books I've read, people I've talked to, etc., that the human civilization has a better chance of surviving in the long term (until Sol supernovas) if it thinks in a different way than you do. That should be a comfort to you, knowing that there are people on the planet who do not completely agree with you on everything. I know I am glad that there is an active group of humans who think differently than me.
I will never be right all of the time.
Neither will you.
Neither will anyone else ever born, ever.
What you probably do not know, or care about at all, is that I have carefully read and considered every single point 3-000 took the time to write to me, calling me out on that impulse post I made, specifically the bell curve one, which I considered at the time to be a stupid troll for math geeks, but after having one actually call me out on it I realized I wasn't even close to thinking about it the way any mathematician would.
I stopped responding at that point. I should have admitted I was wrong if I wanted to hope to be accepted by this discordian community as a biped. I'm not sure I did at that moment, or that I do now.
Roger: I've a deadline tomorrow morning but I will come back to your last 2 posts. They gave me a lot to think about. I'm not sure either of us are being honest, but I'm sure that I should look at my own biases honestly, so there's that at least.
Night PD
Quote from: Disco Pickle on January 11, 2012, 03:28:29 AM
Because people on this forum who post when they are intoxicated should be judged by the content of their posts from that moment forward, based entirely on that post.
It's a matter of personal responsibility. If you weren't hounded forever, you would have no incentive not to be a belligerent drunk.
Much as with parents who work 2 jobs each and therefore don't spend enough time with the kids they're trying to feed, there are no second chances in life. They deserved it, right? The kids especially, deserve everything they get.
And you, sir, deserve every ounce of shit you catch for making such a fucking sociopathic statement.
In vino veritas, they say, right?
Wait... what? I can't even follow you to a logical point. In that mass of words. :lulz:
So, you're complaining that people are judging based on your penchant to get stumbling drunk vomit stupid bullshit. (?)
Then you say that it was "thought out well beforehand when sober"?
And that you do, in fact, believe some of what you said in that thread (at least)?
And that if people believe in magical faeries, the power of quantumz, Ron Paul is Jesus, and utopia is being clubbed to death by your neighbor before he rapes your kids and jacks your car, then we'll all be fat and happy until the sun goes all splodey?
Blah blah blah....
Revisionist history, speculation, and further dancing around the point.
Oh, "ROGER! :argh!: I WILL GET TO YOU LATER!"
Overall, I give it 6.5 out of 10 in terms of DP LULZ. Solid effort, but not nearly the DP we've come to know and laugh at in terms of back-pedaling, wingery, and :whack:
Quote from: Doktor M. Phox0 on January 11, 2012, 03:44:17 AM
Wait... what? I can't even follow you to a logical point. In that mass of words. :lulz:
So, you're complaining that people are judging based on your penchant to get stumbling drunk vomit stupid bullshit. (?)
Then you say that it was "thought out well beforehand when sober"?
And that you do, in fact, believe some of what you said in that thread (at least)?
And that if people believe in magical faeries, the power of quantumz, Ron Paul is Jesus, and utopia is being clubbed to death by your neighbor before he rapes your kids and jacks your car, then we'll all be fat and happy until the sun goes all splodey?
Blah blah blah....
Revisionist history, speculation, and further dancing around the point.
Oh, "ROGER! :argh!: I WILL GET TO YOU LATER!"
Overall, I give it 6.5 out of 10 in terms of DP LULZ. Solid effort, but not nearly the DP we've come to know and laugh at in terms of back-pedaling, wingery, and :whack:
I didn't complain about anything at all. I did point out that posting ideas that run against the grain, while drunk and less than articulate, possibly even, in hindsight, stupid, is considered by DSquid to be a reason to dismiss all future posts.
In fact, ITP, I was clearly talking to DSquid and am not sure why you feel the need to inject your inane presumptions about someone with which you've never even had a proper conversation, except to call them dumbasses on an internet forum because they don't believe the things you do or *GASP* wrote something with which you do not agree.
TBH, Phox, I stopped giving a shit about your opinion on anything you had to say when you stopped offering opposite, yet civil, discourse on any subject.
Yes, I have a tendency to be a dick, when I've been drinking, on a forum where ideas that do not follow a (lol) bell curve normal are not only shot down, but called "wrong" as if there's only one way to think.
The difference is that you do it when you're sober.
ETA: presumably. Please, correct me if that's wrong.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on January 11, 2012, 04:26:45 AM
Quote from: Doktor M. Phox0 on January 11, 2012, 03:44:17 AM
Wait... what? I can't even follow you to a logical point. In that mass of words. :lulz:
So, you're complaining that people are judging based on your penchant to get stumbling drunk vomit stupid bullshit. (?)
Then you say that it was "thought out well beforehand when sober"?
And that you do, in fact, believe some of what you said in that thread (at least)?
And that if people believe in magical faeries, the power of quantumz, Ron Paul is Jesus, and utopia is being clubbed to death by your neighbor before he rapes your kids and jacks your car, then we'll all be fat and happy until the sun goes all splodey?
Blah blah blah....
Revisionist history, speculation, and further dancing around the point.
Oh, "ROGER! :argh!: I WILL GET TO YOU LATER!"
Overall, I give it 6.5 out of 10 in terms of DP LULZ. Solid effort, but not nearly the DP we've come to know and laugh at in terms of back-pedaling, wingery, and :whack:
I didn't complain about anything at all. I did point out that posting ideas that run against the grain, while drunk and less than articulate, possibly even, in hindsight, stupid, is considered by DSquid to be a reason to dismiss all future posts.
In fact, ITP, I was clearly talking to DSquid and am not sure why you feel the need to inject your inane presumptions about someone with which you've never even had a proper conversation, except to call them dumbasses on an internet forum because they don't believe the things you do or *GASP* wrote something with which you do not agree.
TBH, Phox, I stopped giving a shit about your opinion on anything else you had to say when you stopped offering opposite, yet civil, discourse on any subject, while presumably completely sober, I've ever had the misfortune of reading.
Yes, I have a tendency to be a dick, when I've been drinking, on a forum where ideas that do not follow a (lol) bell curve normal are not only shot down, but called "wrong" as if there's only one way to think.
The difference is that you do it when you're sober.
ETA: presumably. Please, correct me if that's wrong.
Because I love you, Pickles.
I love that you think this was anything remotely like a private conversation.
And I believe that you blatantly ignored the question marks, which indicate that I was asking you if my interpretations were correct.
So what, precisely were you trying to say, Pickles?
But in regards to my civility, i stopped actually trying to debate with you oh... around round 2 of your. "I'll take your points into consideration. I learn from my mistakes." and "Let me read up on that and get back to you." BTW, ever finish reading
The Leviathan? :lulz:
You see, Pickles. You've proven that your intellectual integrity is less important to you than "winning". Me, personally, I don't care about being a dick. Why? Because the only people who think I'm a dick are people, like yourself, who can't be bothered with actually formulating a coherent argument on a topic.
But as you pointed out, I'm stone cold sober. And I'm being a dick. And I fully own that. It takes a small, small person to hide behind alcohol, Pickles. You've blamed the booze and a million other lame ass excuses, and expect people to take you seriously. But the truth is, you won't own up to own actions. And you've been making the same damn mistakes since you got here, all the while claiming that you were learning, and that you'd read up and come back, only to duck out and dodge the topic. Face it, DP. You're just a coward. You don't deserve a respectful discussion. You don't deserve a serious response. I even had one all typed out for you, a nice little rebuttal to one of your comments in this thread, but then I decided "meh fuck it." So I deleted it. That's how dickish I was.
So, Pickles. By all means, get righteously indignant. Get smashed and call me every name in the book. Belittle me, taunt me, say "I ain't talking to you, fucker". Do whatever you gotta do to feel good about yourself. Me, I'll still be laughing.
Ya know, funny thing. I used to think that I was laughing with you. I guess you were never laughing with me though. That's a pity.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on January 10, 2012, 12:14:16 PM
lol Gawker
http://articles.cnn.com/2012-01-06/us/us_texas-colombia-teen_1_colombian-officials-flight-attendant-colombian-authorities?_s=PM:US
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/01/texas-teen-deported-colombia.html
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/01/texas-teen-deported-to-colombia-headed-home.html
She shouldn't be held responsible for lying under oath and maintaining a fake identity throughout the entire ordeal.
If we just finger printed every person once a year until adulthood we could help prevent this sort of tragedy from ever happening again.
The USA is to blame for not doing more to protect her from herself.
And her parents deserve every dime of the millions they'll get from the lawsuit and can rest easy knowing that in the future, their parenting of their child will be well funded and couldn't possibly go wrong again.
Wow, you are a disgusting monster.
Please tell me that you aren't going to reproduce, or ever have any contact with children.
Since apparently you think deportation, imprisonment, and rape are all reasonable punishments
for a child, for lying.
Quote from: Doktor M. Phox0 on January 11, 2012, 05:07:12 AM
Because I love you, Pickles.
I love that you think this was anything remotely like a private conversation.
And I believe that you blatantly ignored the question marks, which indicate that I was asking you if my interpretations were correct.
So what, precisely were you trying to say, Pickles?
But in regards to my civility, i stopped actually trying to debate with you oh... around round 2 of your. "I'll take your points into consideration. I learn from my mistakes." and "Let me read up on that and get back to you." BTW, ever finish reading The Leviathan? :lulz:
You see, Pickles. You've proven that your intellectual integrity is less important to you than "winning". Me, personally, I don't care about being a dick. Why? Because the only people who think I'm a dick are people, like yourself, who can't be bothered with actually formulating a coherent argument on a topic.
But as you pointed out, I'm stone cold sober. And I'm being a dick. And I fully own that. It takes a small, small person to hide behind alcohol, Pickles. You've blamed the booze and a million other lame ass excuses, and expect people to take you seriously. But the truth is, you won't own up to own actions. And you've been making the same damn mistakes since you got here, all the while claiming that you were learning, and that you'd read up and come back, only to duck out and dodge the topic. Face it, DP. You're just a coward. You don't deserve a respectful discussion. You don't deserve a serious response. I even had one all typed out for you, a nice little rebuttal to one of your comments in this thread, but then I decided "meh fuck it." So I deleted it. That's how dickish I was.
So, Pickles. By all means, get righteously indignant. Get smashed and call me every name in the book. Belittle me, taunt me, say "I ain't talking to you, fucker". Do whatever you gotta do to feel good about yourself. Me, I'll still be laughing.
Ya know, funny thing. I used to think that I was laughing with you. I guess you were never laughing with me though. That's a pity.
I actually did get most of the way through Leviathan that same week. Or maybe it was 2 weeks. It wasn't exactly a page turner as far as books on statecraft go. I was turned off by the extremely Christian tone of the book.
That, and the extremely Statist position I'd have to take to agree with him. You didn't strike me as a statist even after reading it.
We never did discuss it in a thread. I think I made some lame joke about being a Hobbsian now, but still preferring Calvinism.
And I haven't posted here after drinking since that post DSquid referenced as some sort of "proof" of... I don't know what. I never hid behind it as an excuse, either. It was a statement of fact that when I posted here after having a few, it was over the top and designed to elicit a visceral response. And I was never nice about it. This isn't a very nice place, it's not like I was breaking new ground.
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/07/us/texas-colombia-teen-profile/?hpt=hp_mid (http://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/07/us/texas-colombia-teen-profile/?hpt=hp_mid)
Most up to date report I could find. DP's assessment of the Gawker report was pretty right on. Obviously editorialized out the ass. The facts they had incorrect, though, were consistent with what was believed to be known when that report was issued. Al Jazeera reported that the "Tika" alias matched a person wanted in Colombia even after it had broken in the U.S. that that was incorrect.
It seems that there were obviously some breakdowns in the system, starting all the way back at the Houston PD and carrying over to ICE and, it would seem, very much so at the Colombian Consulate. Although if the report from the woman who helped track her down is accurate, she had been in contact with a couple of Colombian men months before she was arrested and deported, so it's quite possible she was coached all the way through this. One of her FB posts even alluded to her having been deported intentionally. Regardless, the fact that even with coaching, a 14-year-old U.S. girl could pass as a 21-year-old Colombian national despite there being no record of any such person, is a pretty glaring indictment against that system.
Of course, ICE isn't really set up to safeguard against U.S. citizens trying to get deported. I'm sure that it will be now, though. A huge breakdown was in Texas law enforcement. The girl was reported as a runaway months before this happened and was able to be arrested and pass through that system without a second glance. There has to be more that can be done than a fingerprint check, I would think.
What has my attention as much as anything, though. Is the news coverage itself. I'm first in on international internet predators being the "next threat to America's children". Also, the drastic difference between the facts as they were known just 5 days ago and what is now known is a perfect example of the blogosphere truth-fucking, that's only going to get worse. Bounced around 3 different blogs updated within the last 2 days and each of them had a completely different set of facts. The fourth estate seems to be a 10,000 lot trailer park where news gathering occurs at the neighbor's kitchen table, over nasty cups of coffee in Edward R. Murrow commemorative mugs.
QuoteThe fourth estate seems to be a 10,000 lot trailer park where news gathering occurs at the neighbor's kitchen table, over nasty cups of coffee in Edward R. Murrow commemorative mugs.
Fucking. Brilliant.
Just going to jump in and say there is no way that a 14 year old is going to look like a 21 year old to anyone with any sort of sense. And there is no reason that a minor should be deported for anything unless his or her parents are deported. It's not only retarded but puts the kid's life at risk too. I can see not accurately gauging a teenager's age when you get older, but there is no mistaking a 14 year old for anything but a teenager. There's a reason why you get carded if you're under 27, and in some instances, 40.
I bought beer in stores and bars all the time when I was 14.
And there's a reason I long ago stopped hitting on girls in bars who "looked 21-ish".
I mean, there are plenty of other things that ICE did wrong in this case but the assertion that they should know the difference between a 14 year old and a 21 year old just by appearance is deeply flawed.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on January 11, 2012, 02:52:48 PM
I bought beer in stores and bars all the time when I was 14.
And there's a reason I long ago stopped hitting on girls in bars who "looked 21-ish".
I mean, there are plenty of other things that ICE did wrong in this case but the assertion that they should know the difference between a 14 year old and a 21 year old just by appearance is deeply flawed.
I dunno man. My 15 year old sister and her friends all look like 15 year olds to me.
I've always looked older than I was.
At 14 I was mistaken for a senior in high school. My freshman year of high school there were both students and adults thinking I was a teacher.
I didn't even get carded when I turned 21 and had my first drink, which was kind of a bummer actually.
I didnt get carded at all on my 21st birthday. But i got carded everytime after for the rest of that year. I think its a confidence thing. You have a look on your face that says "im buying a beer and you cant stop me!" and they go "right this guy is getting a motherfucking beer!" i imagine ech had that look. "im supposed to be buying beer. If you obstruct me i will kill you."
Quote from: Billy the Twid on January 11, 2012, 02:26:13 PM
Just going to jump in and say there is no way that a 14 year old is going to look like a 21 year old to anyone with any sort of sense. And there is no reason that a minor should be deported for anything unless his or her parents are deported. It's not only retarded but puts the kid's life at risk too. I can see not accurately gauging a teenager's age when you get older, but there is no mistaking a 14 year old for anything but a teenager. There's a reason why you get carded if you're under 27, and in some instances, 40.
This is her in Colombia. 21? I dunno...
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-SKyabi0-FJo/TwgjNnPTvPI/AAAAAAAADuE/hPsrbK0sjwU/s1600/clip_image003-766206.jpg)
That girl could be anywhere between 13 and 25 years old, based on looks.
I wouldn't believe she was 14. She looks about my age.
If I lose my ID and claim to be Canadian, will the US deport me to Canada?
Hm.
Somehow I don't think it works that way.
Nigel cuts to the chase, ITT.
In all fairness, she DID have a false identity that corresponded to a Colombian citizen. That doesn't excuse ICE from accepting everything at face value without doing anything to confirm her identity.
(And then ECH was struck with a brilliant revelation on how to move to Australia for free. :lulz: )
Quote from: Nigel on January 11, 2012, 08:42:04 PM
If I lose my ID and claim to be Canadian, will the US deport me to Canada?
Hm.
Somehow I don't think it works that way.
Only if you're brow...oh wait...
Now I'm stuck in a state of mental recursion. Nigel just bricked my mind.
:lulz:
Quote from: Nigel on January 11, 2012, 08:42:04 PM
If I lose my ID and claim to be Canadian, will the US deport me to Canada?
Hm.
Somehow I don't think it works that way.
If Canada claimed you, evidently they would. I had a friend way back in the good ol' INS days who was Canadian born and wanting to go back so he had the bright idea of getting his ticket paid for by getting deported. I spoke to him once while he was detained at INS, and he had already been there 30 days. Don't know how long it took for Canada to let him in, but that's what he was waiting for.
I'd wager that the standards for verifying Colombian citizenship are a might less stringent than those Canada employs.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on January 11, 2012, 03:28:29 AM
Quote from: Demolition_Squid on January 10, 2012, 06:34:39 PM
I have nothing to say to you any more. I'm just going to direct you to this: http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,30522.105/msg,1105825.html
Because people on this forum who post when they are intoxicated should be judged by the content of their posts from that moment forward, based entirely on that post.
Oh, just shutthefuckup you slimy little turdpickle. Of course it would be just a matter of time before you'd try to wriggle out of that pathetic hole you dug entirely by yourself.
You were NOT judged by the content of one intoxicated post, but you were given MULTITUDES of benefits of the doubt, by MANY people other than me taking the time to painfully explain all the different ways you were wrong, simple bits of logical reasoning that any half self-aware shitpebble could have poked right through if they'd just sit for a moment and THINK FOR YOURSELF SCHMUCK.
And every time, after some pages of tiresome mindnumbing STOOPID, chewing out even the most blithering obvious lines of thought so your lethargic faecal cortex could digest it, you were all like "oooooooh duh now I get it, I guess I should have PUT SOME MORE THOUGHT INTO IT huh"
But of course you never did. And after a while it wasn't just me that got pissed off about it, in fact I was a bit late to the party. And you were given ONE more chance and you royally BLEW IT. So I decided to never take you seriously again, because let's face it, you're hardly sentient.
QuoteWhat you probably do not know, or care about at all, is that I have carefully read and considered every single point 3-000 took the time to write to me, calling me out on that impulse post I made, specifically the bell curve one, which I considered at the time to be a stupid troll for math geeks, but after having one actually call me out on it I realized I wasn't even close to thinking about it the way any mathematician would.
I stopped responding at that point. I should have admitted I was wrong if I wanted to hope to be accepted by this discordian community as a biped. I'm not sure I did at that moment, or that I do now.
I remember, you were all sad and cwying and I almost felt sorry, but I stuck with it and then kinda forgot about it.
And now it turns out it was a good thing because the next time you appear on my radar, you go through the exact same moves again!
Now this is eh ... no offense but,
you are a robot, aren't you? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=eCBA28_65uY#t=809s) :lulz:
QuoteI remember, you were all sad and cwying and I almost felt sorry, but I stuck with it and then kinda forgot about it.
:lulz:
I lost no sleep at all over a forum loaded with bile spewing, angry dick nozzles thinking I have the wrong values.
With a few notable exceptions, the lot of you are some of the most vicious, name calling, vile examples of humanity I've had the misfortune of attempting to communicate with. Even attempting to mimic the general mood of the place toward people who think differently leaves a slimy feel on my skin. Reptilian, even.
QuoteOh, just shutthefuckup you slimy little turdpickle
Srsly, do you talk like this outside of the confines of your computer's internet connection? Know what, doesn't matter, I don't really care.
Keep pretending you're human while displaying the exact qualities that prove otherwise.
No one will give a shit if you're right about something if you're a complete and utter dick about it.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on January 12, 2012, 03:57:57 PMthe lot of you are some of the most vicious, name calling, vile examples of humanity I've had the misfortune of attempting to communicate with. Even attempting to mimic the general mood of the place toward people who think differently leaves a slimy feel on my skin. Reptilian, even.
:spittake:
FUCKIN NEWSFEED!!! :lulz:
Quote from: Disco Pickle on January 12, 2012, 03:57:57 PM
With a few notable exceptions, the lot of you are some of the most vicious, name calling, vile examples of humanity I've had the misfortune of attempting to communicate with. Even attempting to mimic the general mood of the place toward people who think differently leaves a slimy feel on my skin. Reptilian, even.
I feel the same way when people say that poor children deserve everything that happens to them.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on January 12, 2012, 03:57:57 PM
QuoteI remember, you were all sad and cwying and I almost felt sorry, but I stuck with it and then kinda forgot about it.
:lulz:
I lost no sleep at all over a forum loaded with bile spewing, angry dick nozzles thinking I have the wrong values.
With a few notable exceptions, the lot of you are some of the most vicious, name calling, vile examples of humanity I've had the misfortune of attempting to communicate with. Even attempting to mimic the general mood of the place toward people who think differently leaves a slimy feel on my skin. Reptilian, even.
QuoteOh, just shutthefuckup you slimy little turdpickle
Srsly, do you talk like this outside of the confines of your computer's internet connection? Know what, doesn't matter, I don't really care.
Keep pretending you're human while displaying the exact qualities that prove otherwise.
No one will give a shit if you're right about something if you're a complete and utter dick about it.
Oh, oh this is GOOD. I missed this til just now....
This is EXACTLY why' I'm not sorry. You pansy ass fucking coward. :lulz:
For this reason, I'm making my response to your PM public.
Quote from: Doktor M. Phox0 on January 12, 2012, 04:56:52 PM
Well, Pickles, here's the thong. I took a little time to think it over. And I came to a decision. I'm not the least bit sorry. The reason for this is because every damn word I said is true. ANd given your public post in response to me, I don't really get the sense that you are actually any different than what you were. (I mean, really, you can't even publicly apologize for publicly calling someone out?) Whether you were rightly offended about dismissing you for something you posted while drunk, the simple fact remains that you can't have it both ways, like you tried in your response to DS. You seemed to be saying that you take offense to being judged by what you wrote when you were drunk (FYI, it's not BECAUSE you were drunk that we harsh on you, it's what you SAID), then you say that it was thought out beforehand while you were sober, AND that you actually believe at least part of it. In vino veritas.
Unlike you, I don't need to take a drink before I say what's really on my mind. For the record: 14 year old kids who run away from home are quite likely to lie. They are unlikely to want to return to their parents, especially to a broken home, and doubly so if they feel it's their fault. Lying hr way into a job and to get deported isn't that much of stretch. They clearly fucked up when they deported her before actually verifying her identity. You expect a 14 year old kid to be able to think rationally enough to realize that lying to get deported is a bad idea? No, she was thinking "Lie, get to Colombia, be happy". IS that stupid? Yes. She's a fucking teenager.
And in a slightly unrelated note: the consent laws in Colombia have absolutely jack and shit to do with whether or not she can actually give consent. In a place where there are no consent laws at all, a man has sex with a four year old are you going to try to argue that it wasn't rape?
That is why you disgust me, Pickles. You've married your ism and you won't let it go.
And I'll add to that. Nope, you aren't laughing with me. You never were and you never will be. Way to do exactly what you said you wouldn't. :lulz:
Quote from: Disco Pickle on January 12, 2012, 03:57:57 PM
QuoteI remember, you were all sad and cwying and I almost felt sorry, but I stuck with it and then kinda forgot about it.
:lulz:
I lost no sleep at all over a forum loaded with bile spewing, angry dick nozzles thinking I have the wrong values.
With a few notable exceptions, the lot of you are some of the most vicious, name calling, vile examples of humanity I've had the misfortune of attempting to communicate with. Even attempting to mimic the general mood of the place toward people who think differently leaves a slimy feel on my skin. Reptilian, even.
QuoteOh, just shutthefuckup you slimy little turdpickle
Srsly, do you talk like this outside of the confines of your computer's internet connection? Know what, doesn't matter, I don't really care.
Keep pretending you're human while displaying the exact qualities that prove otherwise.
No one will give a shit if you're right about something if you're a complete and utter dick about it.
This amazing pile of butthurt is going to be LEGENDARY in the PD mythos. :lulz:
WE vehemently disagree that poor children deserve whatever they get, children who do poorly in school deserve whatever they get, and a 14 year old runaway who lied and got deported got what she deserved, and WE'RE the slimy, evil bastards.
:lulz:
DP, I hope you are aware that reptiles are not slimy.
Quote from: Don Coyote on January 12, 2012, 07:13:33 PM
DP, I hope you are aware that reptiles are not slimy.
They're more scaly than slimy, in my experience.
Perhaps he meant certain types of amphibians.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 12, 2012, 07:14:53 PM
Quote from: Don Coyote on January 12, 2012, 07:13:33 PM
DP, I hope you are aware that reptiles are not slimy.
They're more scaly than slimy, in my experience.
Perhaps he meant certain types of amphibians.
Or mollusks.
Id say that rog knows best since he ate one.
Quote from: Billy the Twid on January 12, 2012, 07:21:47 PM
Id say that rog knows best since he ate one.
Jesus, it was only the once.
It's not like I made a
habit out of it.
Damn cat did, though. And he only started after you did it.
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on January 12, 2012, 07:30:38 PM
Damn cat did, though. And he only started after you did it.
I am Reverse Tarzan.
Thats a pretty notable culinary experience though. Stuck out in my mind.
Quote from: Billy the Twid on January 12, 2012, 07:37:38 PM
Thats a pretty notable culinary experience though. Stuck out in my mind.
I was having a moment.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 12, 2012, 07:42:47 PM
Quote from: Billy the Twid on January 12, 2012, 07:37:38 PM
Thats a pretty notable culinary experience though. Stuck out in my mind.
I was having a moment.
Several of them. The neighbors certainly had one or two themselves.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on January 12, 2012, 03:57:57 PM
I lost no sleep at all over a forum loaded with bile spewing, angry dick nozzles thinking I have the wrong values.
With a few notable exceptions, the lot of you are some of the most vicious, name calling, vile examples of humanity I've had the misfortune of attempting to communicate with. Even attempting to mimic the general mood of the place toward people who think differently leaves a slimy feel on my skin. Reptilian, even.
Oh.
Then go away.
Quote from: Golden Applesauce on January 10, 2012, 01:09:20 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on January 10, 2012, 12:14:16 PM
lol Gawker
http://articles.cnn.com/2012-01-06/us/us_texas-colombia-teen_1_colombian-officials-flight-attendant-colombian-authorities?_s=PM:US
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/01/texas-teen-deported-colombia.html
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/01/texas-teen-deported-to-colombia-headed-home.html
She shouldn't be held responsible for lying under oath and maintaining a fake identity throughout the entire ordeal.
If we just finger printed every person once a year until adulthood we could help prevent this sort of tragedy from ever happening again.
The USA is to blame for not doing more to protect her from herself.
And her parents deserve every dime of the millions they'll get from the lawsuit and can rest easy knowing that in the future, their parenting of their child will be well funded and couldn't possibly go wrong again.
As much as I like personal responsibility, how can you say that deporting a 14 year old is a reasonable consequence for being stupid?
Also - wasn't there something in US law where you need some backing evidence beyond just a confession to convict someone?
Innocent until proven guilty only applies to citizens.......
God fucking dammit.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on February 10, 2012, 12:14:41 AM
Quote from: Golden Applesauce on January 10, 2012, 01:09:20 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on January 10, 2012, 12:14:16 PM
lol Gawker
http://articles.cnn.com/2012-01-06/us/us_texas-colombia-teen_1_colombian-officials-flight-attendant-colombian-authorities?_s=PM:US
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/01/texas-teen-deported-colombia.html
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/01/texas-teen-deported-to-colombia-headed-home.html
She shouldn't be held responsible for lying under oath and maintaining a fake identity throughout the entire ordeal.
If we just finger printed every person once a year until adulthood we could help prevent this sort of tragedy from ever happening again.
The USA is to blame for not doing more to protect her from herself.
And her parents deserve every dime of the millions they'll get from the lawsuit and can rest easy knowing that in the future, their parenting of their child will be well funded and couldn't possibly go wrong again.
As much as I like personal responsibility, how can you say that deporting a 14 year old is a reasonable consequence for being stupid?
Also - wasn't there something in US law where you need some backing evidence beyond just a confession to convict someone?
Innocent until proven guilty only applies to citizens.......
You are an ignorant cunt. Shut the fuck up until you know what the hell you're talking about.
Then shut up some more.
Quote from: Nigel on February 10, 2012, 12:15:25 AM
God fucking dammit.
Just when you're enjoying PD, along comes the corpsefucker, sleazing his greasy way through the forum and fucking it all up.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 10, 2012, 12:17:47 AM
Quote from: Nigel on February 10, 2012, 12:15:25 AM
God fucking dammit.
Just when you're enjoying PD, along comes the corpsefucker, sleazing his greasy way through the forum and fucking it all up.
I feel gross now. I think I need a shower.
Someone mentioned him the other day. he really IS turning into He Who Shall Not Be Named, The Sequel.
Quote from: Pixie on February 10, 2012, 12:45:41 AM
Someone mentioned him the other day. he really IS turning into He Who Shall Not Be Named, The Sequel.
Yep. I'm betting the fat fuck searches his name like Ben Mack does.
(I am not afraid to say Ben Mack, because I get 6 kinds of jollies out of kicking him around, unlike BH, who should just fucking drink Drano and do the world a favor.)
I believe we sort of agreed to just ignore him, since he apparently lives for reactions just like this?
Quote from: Pixie on February 10, 2012, 12:45:41 AM
Someone mentioned him the other day. he really IS turning into He Who Shall Not Be Named, The Sequel.
Jesus! all we did was
say his initials and he appeared!
how the hell does
that work?!
Quote from: Triple Zero on February 10, 2012, 02:24:42 PM
I believe we sort of agreed to just ignore him, since he apparently lives for reactions just like this?
Yep. Sorry. My gag reflex kicked in.
I'd suggest that people add him to their ignore list (doesn't work for admins).
Quote from: Iptuous on February 10, 2012, 04:50:55 PM
Quote from: Pixie on February 10, 2012, 12:45:41 AM
Someone mentioned him the other day. he really IS turning into He Who Shall Not Be Named, The Sequel.
Jesus! all we did was say his initials and he appeared!
how the hell does that work?!
My guess is that he's using something like Google Alerts, so he gets an email alerting him every time someone mentions certain names and phrases here.
Quote from: Nigel on February 10, 2012, 08:53:51 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on February 10, 2012, 04:50:55 PM
Quote from: Pixie on February 10, 2012, 12:45:41 AM
Someone mentioned him the other day. he really IS turning into He Who Shall Not Be Named, The Sequel.
Jesus! all we did was say his initials and he appeared!
how the hell does that work?!
My guess is that he's using something like Google Alerts, so he gets an email alerting him every time someone mentions certain names and phrases here.
That's sad and pathetic, but not really all that surprising.
Quote from: Pope Coyote of the Wolffnords on February 10, 2012, 08:54:52 PM
Quote from: Nigel on February 10, 2012, 08:53:51 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on February 10, 2012, 04:50:55 PM
Quote from: Pixie on February 10, 2012, 12:45:41 AM
Someone mentioned him the other day. he really IS turning into He Who Shall Not Be Named, The Sequel.
Jesus! all we did was say his initials and he appeared!
how the hell does that work?!
My guess is that he's using something like Google Alerts, so he gets an email alerting him every time someone mentions certain names and phrases here.
That's sad and pathetic, but not really all that surprising.
Yep. I think that's B_n M_ck's deal too.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 05, 2012, 05:28:56 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 05, 2012, 05:24:15 PM
Wow. :sad:
They had no choice. She was legally brown, so she had to go.
I may be screwed. All this sun is browning me up nicely. Will I get to meet more Border Patrol agents?
Quote from: Charley Brown on February 10, 2012, 09:12:26 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 05, 2012, 05:28:56 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 05, 2012, 05:24:15 PM
Wow. :sad:
They had no choice. She was legally brown, so she had to go.
I may be screwed. All this sun is browning me up nicely. Will I get to meet more Border Patrol agents?
Yes. They will smile, but they are not your friends.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 10, 2012, 10:40:23 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on February 10, 2012, 09:12:26 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 05, 2012, 05:28:56 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 05, 2012, 05:24:15 PM
Wow. :sad:
They had no choice. She was legally brown, so she had to go.
I may be screwed. All this sun is browning me up nicely. Will I get to meet more Border Patrol agents?
Yes. They will smile, but they are not your friends.
:sad:
Upside is I may get a free ride to Mexico!
I got out of having my vehicle inspected by a border patrol agent in CA when it turned out that she was a Mainer-in-exile and I offered her a can of Moxie out of my cooler.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on February 10, 2012, 11:47:23 PM
I got out of having my vehicle inspected by a border patrol agent in CA when it turned out that she was a Mainer-in-exile and I offered her a can of Moxie out of my cooler.
We have gone through 2 inspection points and were just waved through. I wonder if it had anything to do with a madly barking dog in my lap.
Quote from: Charley Brown on February 10, 2012, 10:43:30 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 10, 2012, 10:40:23 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on February 10, 2012, 09:12:26 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 05, 2012, 05:28:56 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 05, 2012, 05:24:15 PM
Wow. :sad:
They had no choice. She was legally brown, so she had to go.
I may be screwed. All this sun is browning me up nicely. Will I get to meet more Border Patrol agents?
Yes. They will smile, but they are not your friends.
:sad:
Upside is I may get a free ride to Mexico!
:lulz: