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Principia Discordia => Apple Talk => Topic started by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 06, 2012, 06:57:33 PM

Title: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 06, 2012, 06:57:33 PM
... but I think our forum immune system has developed AIDS.

yeah, I know, I'm the last asshole on earth whose place it is to say something about this, and feel free to bitch-slap me for being a hypocrite, but is there any way to scale it down so that we're not completely feeding the lamest of lame troll posts and simultaneously treating all n00bs as if they are assholes? Maybe my trolldar is way off but that Holist guy seems OK, maybe keeping it to gentle suggestions about the punctuation until he gets to 50 posts before ripping him an auxiliary vagina?

There are some good threads out there.



Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 06, 2012, 06:58:33 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 06, 2012, 06:57:33 PM
... but I think our forum immune system has developed AIDS.

yeah, I know, I'm the last asshole on earth whose place it is to say something about this, and feel free to bitch-slap me for being a hypocrite, but is there any way to scale it down so that we're not completely feeding the lamest of lame troll posts and simultaneously treating all n00bs as if they are assholes? Maybe my trolldar is way off but that Holist guy seems OK, maybe keeping it to gentle suggestions about the punctuation until he gets to 50 posts before ripping him an auxiliary vagina?

There are some good threads out there.

See my response to you in his thread.
Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 06, 2012, 07:02:48 PM
Also, I'd like to add that the people who show up genuinely interested in conversation, etc, do not get this treatment, at least not to the same degree.  There are numerous examples over the years, but for a recent example, look at Iron Waffle.  He came in a little rough, mostly because he's from the North pole, but he acted like a human talking to other humans, and didn't get shat on.

Contrast that with Holist, who came in explaining that - to him - we are all nothing more than lab rats for his experiments, and "fuck curtusy" (sic).  That's what got me going, not his puerile insistence on fake ass contrived zaniness.
Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 06, 2012, 07:11:59 PM
That guy is the latest and greatest example, but what seems to have gone by the wayside completely is the 50-post suggestion, and also the convention of ignoring lame trolls.

It seems to be mostly a couple of posters who just can't help but display their braggadocio  every time someone new shows up. It doesn't really do the board a whole lot of good to instantly put the enthusiastic new kid on the defensive for no real reason. A hint or a nudge, but all-out chest-pounding monkey challenge before they even get to 50 posts? When they at least didn't come in full-on trolling for a change?

Then the new kid gets defensive and ENGAGES them in the monkey challenge, and pages of screeching ensue, usually resulting in the new kid feeling rejected and leaving.

So really, all I'm asking is, can we COOL IT WITH THE MONKEY CHEST POUNDING every time a troll posts or a new guy has bad punctuation? PHOX I AM LOOKING AT YOU.
Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 06, 2012, 07:18:06 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 06, 2012, 07:11:59 PM
That guy is the latest and greatest example, but what seems to have gone by the wayside completely is the 50-post suggestion, and also the convention of ignoring lame trolls.

To be perfectly honest, we never really honored the 50 post thing.  It was one of these great ideas that always worked in the past, but no matter how far back you go, it's still in the past.

Granted, there has been some over-doing of the pooping, but I have to disagree in this particular case...Though I agree that there are better ways to enjoy hate-shitting a full-page rant than on a polemic to a noob with a dozen or so posts.

I'd LIKE to see that effort go into proper bile-duct blowouts, and I'm on board with the ignoring of dumbfucks...But it seems that the only stimuli that can get anyone to post at all, anymore, is to shit on anyone new who shows up1, thus ensuring an empty board.





1  Again, I am making an exception in the case of Holist.  I'm not his fucking lab rat.  Or I am, but the wrong kind of rat entirely.

Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: LMNO on January 06, 2012, 07:26:01 PM
holist specifically said he posts like that to see how we would react.  And we told him calmly and rationally what would happen.

That really should have been the end of it.  Instead, he became mildly insulting and pretentious, which is just annoying in its own right.  And off to the races we went.

But really... That thread is nowhere near the level of n00b abuse this board has seen.  At least in this case, there seems to be a reason for the antipathy.
Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 06, 2012, 07:26:56 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 06, 2012, 07:18:06 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 06, 2012, 07:11:59 PM
That guy is the latest and greatest example, but what seems to have gone by the wayside completely is the 50-post suggestion, and also the convention of ignoring lame trolls.

To be perfectly honest, we never really honored the 50 post thing.  It was one of these great ideas that always worked in the past, but no matter how far back you go, it's still in the past.

Granted, there has been some over-doing of the pooping, but I have to disagree in this particular case...Though I agree that there are better ways to enjoy hate-shitting a full-page rant than on a polemic to a noob with a dozen or so posts.

I'd LIKE to see that effort go into proper bile-duct blowouts, and I'm on board with the ignoring of dumbfucks...But it seems that the only stimuli that can get anyone to post at all, anymore, is to shit on anyone new who shows up1, thus ensuring an empty board.





1  Again, I am making an exception in the case of Holist.  I'm not his fucking lab rat.  Or I am, but the wrong kind of rat entirely.

The only problem I have with Holist so far is that he used a couple of tried-and-true phrases which are guaranteed to irritate us: "cultural experiment" and "fuck courtesy". But he really didn't get off to a bad start; things didn't start to turn until AFTER he said that he would make a point of using correct punctuation in order to not rub us the wrong way, in post #12 on the first page of that thread: http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,31273.0/msg,1133751.html

But we, myself included, just went right on steamrolling it until he got snappish on page 4.

I don't disagree with gentle (or even over-the-top) trolling of the n00bs to see what they're made of. But I don't think this guy deserves all the blame for digging in and screeching, and in combination with the recent consistent engagement with TOTALLY STUPID TRANSPARENT trolls, it makes it look like our white blood cells have gone rogue and are attacking the organism.
Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 06, 2012, 07:29:36 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 06, 2012, 07:26:56 PM
The only problem I have with Holist so far is that he used a couple of tried-and-true phrases which are guaranteed to irritate us: "cultural experiment" and "fuck courtesy". But he really didn't get off to a bad start; things didn't start to turn until AFTER he said that he would make a point of using correct punctuation in order to not rub us the wrong way, in post #12 on the first page of that thread: http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,31273.0/msg,1133751.html

But we, myself included, just went right on steamrolling it until he got snappish on page 4.

I don't disagree with gentle (or even over-the-top) trolling of the n00bs to see what they're made of. But I don't think this guy deserves all the blame for digging in and screeching, and in combination with the recent consistent engagement with TOTALLY STUPID TRANSPARENT trolls, it makes it look like our white blood cells have gone rogue and are attacking the organism.

The only problem *I* have with Holist is that he came looking for a fight.

He got what he came for.

*shrug*
Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 06, 2012, 07:31:26 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 06, 2012, 07:26:01 PM
holist specifically said he posts like that to see how we would react.  And we told him calmly and rationally what would happen.

That really should have been the end of it.  Instead, he became mildly insulting and pretentious, which is just annoying in its own right.  And off to the races we went.

But really... That thread is nowhere near the level of n00b abuse this board has seen.  At least in this case, there seems to be a reason for the antipathy.

YOUR behavior was calm and rational, and not pretentious or condescending. Reading some of the other posts I can see why he went the direction he did.

This was not the worst case of n00b abuse, no. Like I said before, I am not just talking about this guy, but about forum autoimmune disorder in general.

Also, perhaps unlike some of the other noobs, I actually was interested in what this guy has to say, as an educated, self-employed longtime-Discordian father of six, and everyone being pissed as fuck about his lack of punctuation isn't making it any more likely that he'll settle down and participate.
Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: Don Coyote on January 06, 2012, 07:32:05 PM
Coyote had a long post in which he explained his position and then decided fuck it. holist is a screeching monkey, and so are a few of the other posters  in that thread. And this is why Coyote said fuck it, noob not worth it.
Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on January 06, 2012, 07:36:33 PM
Phox has been very polite to this one nigel.
Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: AFK on January 06, 2012, 07:38:51 PM
Despite how weird it feels, I must say I'm with Nigel on this one. 
Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: Phox on January 06, 2012, 07:41:04 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 06, 2012, 07:11:59 PM
That guy is the latest and greatest example, but what seems to have gone by the wayside completely is the 50-post suggestion, and also the convention of ignoring lame trolls.

It seems to be mostly a couple of posters who just can't help but display their braggadocio  every time someone new shows up. It doesn't really do the board a whole lot of good to instantly put the enthusiastic new kid on the defensive for no real reason. A hint or a nudge, but all-out chest-pounding monkey challenge before they even get to 50 posts? When they at least didn't come in full-on trolling for a change?

Then the new kid gets defensive and ENGAGES them in the monkey challenge, and pages of screeching ensue, usually resulting in the new kid feeling rejected and leaving.

So really, all I'm asking is, can we COOL IT WITH THE MONKEY CHEST POUNDING every time a troll posts or a new guy has bad punctuation? PHOX I AM LOOKING AT YOU.
Umm. Nigel, I was and am, in fact, in a civil discussion with holist about the culture of this forum in particular and the reasons why that certain things he is doing are likely to garner a bad reaction. I did not insult him for his punctuation or capitalization. So. Why is this directed at me?
Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 06, 2012, 07:47:08 PM
Quote from: Doktor Phoxero on January 06, 2012, 07:41:04 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 06, 2012, 07:11:59 PM
That guy is the latest and greatest example, but what seems to have gone by the wayside completely is the 50-post suggestion, and also the convention of ignoring lame trolls.

It seems to be mostly a couple of posters who just can't help but display their braggadocio  every time someone new shows up. It doesn't really do the board a whole lot of good to instantly put the enthusiastic new kid on the defensive for no real reason. A hint or a nudge, but all-out chest-pounding monkey challenge before they even get to 50 posts? When they at least didn't come in full-on trolling for a change?

Then the new kid gets defensive and ENGAGES them in the monkey challenge, and pages of screeching ensue, usually resulting in the new kid feeling rejected and leaving.

So really, all I'm asking is, can we COOL IT WITH THE MONKEY CHEST POUNDING every time a troll posts or a new guy has bad punctuation? PHOX I AM LOOKING AT YOU.
Umm. Nigel, I was and am, in fact, in a civil discussion with holist about the culture of this forum in particular and the reasons why that certain things he is doing are likely to garner a bad reaction. I did not insult him for his punctuation or capitalization. So. Why is this directed at me?

My bad; it came across as really condescending to me. Maybe it didn't to him.

The monkey chest-pounding thing largely refers to the way you can't seem to not respond to even really awful trolls... telling off a bad troll isn't really "winning". It's just giving them more reason to keep posting. I'm not saying you're doing it wrong, and we all get sucked into exchanges with trolls sometimes, it's just that man, it's almost a guarantee who will respond to DECI4 posts and it's starting to make me cringe.
Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: Dildo Argentino on January 06, 2012, 07:47:35 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 06, 2012, 07:29:36 PM
The only problem *I* have with Holist is that he came looking for a fight.

He got what he came for.

*shrug*

quality company was what i came for (though i didn't really believe i would find it) - so you are wrong there...

but, amazingly, i did find what i came for! (so you are right there)

... Your Highness
Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: Phox on January 06, 2012, 07:51:16 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 06, 2012, 07:47:08 PM
Quote from: Doktor Phoxero on January 06, 2012, 07:41:04 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 06, 2012, 07:11:59 PM
That guy is the latest and greatest example, but what seems to have gone by the wayside completely is the 50-post suggestion, and also the convention of ignoring lame trolls.

It seems to be mostly a couple of posters who just can't help but display their braggadocio  every time someone new shows up. It doesn't really do the board a whole lot of good to instantly put the enthusiastic new kid on the defensive for no real reason. A hint or a nudge, but all-out chest-pounding monkey challenge before they even get to 50 posts? When they at least didn't come in full-on trolling for a change?

Then the new kid gets defensive and ENGAGES them in the monkey challenge, and pages of screeching ensue, usually resulting in the new kid feeling rejected and leaving.

So really, all I'm asking is, can we COOL IT WITH THE MONKEY CHEST POUNDING every time a troll posts or a new guy has bad punctuation? PHOX I AM LOOKING AT YOU.
Umm. Nigel, I was and am, in fact, in a civil discussion with holist about the culture of this forum in particular and the reasons why that certain things he is doing are likely to garner a bad reaction. I did not insult him for his punctuation or capitalization. So. Why is this directed at me?

My bad; it came across as really condescending to me. Maybe it didn't to him.

The monkey chest-pounding thing largely refers to the way you can't seem to not respond to even really awful trolls... telling off a bad troll isn't really "winning". It's just giving them more reason to keep posting. I'm not saying you're doing it wrong, and we all get sucked into exchanges with trolls sometimes, it's just that man, it's almost a guarantee who will respond to DECI4 posts and it's starting to make me cringe.
As for Holist, *shrug*. I didn't mean to be condescending, and it would seem that it didn't come across that way to him (or if it did, he simply moved past it).

DECI4, I find amusing.
Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 06, 2012, 07:51:38 PM
It's almost like you can set your clock to it.

:lulz:
Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: East Coast Hustle on January 06, 2012, 08:00:12 PM
Quote from: Doktor Phoxero on January 06, 2012, 07:41:04 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 06, 2012, 07:11:59 PM
That guy is the latest and greatest example, but what seems to have gone by the wayside completely is the 50-post suggestion, and also the convention of ignoring lame trolls.

It seems to be mostly a couple of posters who just can't help but display their braggadocio  every time someone new shows up. It doesn't really do the board a whole lot of good to instantly put the enthusiastic new kid on the defensive for no real reason. A hint or a nudge, but all-out chest-pounding monkey challenge before they even get to 50 posts? When they at least didn't come in full-on trolling for a change?

Then the new kid gets defensive and ENGAGES them in the monkey challenge, and pages of screeching ensue, usually resulting in the new kid feeling rejected and leaving.

So really, all I'm asking is, can we COOL IT WITH THE MONKEY CHEST POUNDING every time a troll posts or a new guy has bad punctuation? PHOX I AM LOOKING AT YOU.
Umm. Nigel, I was and am, in fact, in a civil discussion with holist about the culture of this forum in particular and the reasons why that certain things he is doing are likely to garner a bad reaction. I did not insult him for his punctuation or capitalization. So. Why is this directed at me?

As soon as you dropped the line about "you will be dubbed sir fucktard 7" or whatever, it hurtled across the line into "condescending chest-beating".

I suspect the reason Nigel is addressing you specifically ITT is that your missives to noobs almost invariably contain some version of that line.

Couching your chest-beating in verbosity and erudition does not make it stop being chest-beating.
Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: East Coast Hustle on January 06, 2012, 08:02:45 PM
Quote from: Pope Pastor Wolf-Something-Or-Other on January 06, 2012, 07:32:05 PM
Coyote had a long post in which he explained his position and then decided fuck it. holist is a screeching monkey, and so are a few of the other posters  in that thread. And this is why Coyote said fuck it, noob not worth it.

What about the guy who reads a dozen or so posts from a new person and decides to summarily dismiss them without explaining his position?

Is he a screeching monkey?
Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 06, 2012, 08:06:34 PM
Quote from: Doktor Phoxero on January 06, 2012, 07:51:16 PM
As for Holist, *shrug*. I didn't mean to be condescending, and it would seem that it didn't come across that way to him (or if it did, he simply moved past it).

DECI4, I find amusing.

Phox, ya know I love ya, so please don't take this as a pile-on, but indulging in DECI4-ism is like watching teevee or playing an addictive video game.  It might FEEL good, but it's false slack.  It's sort of like having sex with republicans...You may as well just masturbate.

Also, in your polemics to new people (which I in principle approve of), perhaps more weirdness and less hazing.  But that's just a suggestion.
Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: Don Coyote on January 06, 2012, 08:09:24 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on January 06, 2012, 08:02:45 PM
Quote from: Pope Pastor Wolf-Something-Or-Other on January 06, 2012, 07:32:05 PM
Coyote had a long post in which he explained his position and then decided fuck it. holist is a screeching monkey, and so are a few of the other posters  in that thread. And this is why Coyote said fuck it, noob not worth it.

What about the guy who reads a dozen or so posts from a new person and decides to summarily dismiss them without explaining his position?

Is he a screeching monkey?

Point taken.
Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: Phox on January 06, 2012, 08:20:38 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on January 06, 2012, 08:00:12 PM
Quote from: Doktor Phoxero on January 06, 2012, 07:41:04 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 06, 2012, 07:11:59 PM
That guy is the latest and greatest example, but what seems to have gone by the wayside completely is the 50-post suggestion, and also the convention of ignoring lame trolls.

It seems to be mostly a couple of posters who just can't help but display their braggadocio  every time someone new shows up. It doesn't really do the board a whole lot of good to instantly put the enthusiastic new kid on the defensive for no real reason. A hint or a nudge, but all-out chest-pounding monkey challenge before they even get to 50 posts? When they at least didn't come in full-on trolling for a change?

Then the new kid gets defensive and ENGAGES them in the monkey challenge, and pages of screeching ensue, usually resulting in the new kid feeling rejected and leaving.

So really, all I'm asking is, can we COOL IT WITH THE MONKEY CHEST POUNDING every time a troll posts or a new guy has bad punctuation? PHOX I AM LOOKING AT YOU.
Umm. Nigel, I was and am, in fact, in a civil discussion with holist about the culture of this forum in particular and the reasons why that certain things he is doing are likely to garner a bad reaction. I did not insult him for his punctuation or capitalization. So. Why is this directed at me?

As soon as you dropped the line about "you will be dubbed sir fucktard 7" or whatever, it hurtled across the line into "condescending chest-beating".

I suspect the reason Nigel is addressing you specifically ITT is that your missives to noobs almost invariably contain some version of that line.

Couching your chest-beating in verbosity and erudition does not make it stop being chest-beating.
If you view it as "condescending chest-beating", that's fine. I intended it to be a throw-away joke, and that seems to be how it was received by Holist, so I will continue with my conversation with holist  because I have taken a liking to him.
Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: Phox on January 06, 2012, 08:23:50 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 06, 2012, 08:06:34 PM
Quote from: Doktor Phoxero on January 06, 2012, 07:51:16 PM
As for Holist, *shrug*. I didn't mean to be condescending, and it would seem that it didn't come across that way to him (or if it did, he simply moved past it).

DECI4, I find amusing.

Phox, ya know I love ya, so please don't take this as a pile-on, but indulging in DECI4-ism is like watching teevee or playing an addictive video game.  It might FEEL good, but it's false slack.  It's sort of like having sex with republicans...You may as well just masturbate.

Also, in your polemics to new people (which I in principle approve of), perhaps more weirdness and less hazing.  But that's just a suggestion.
Good point, Roger. I will keep that in mind.
Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 06, 2012, 08:24:50 PM
Quote from: Doktor Phoxero on January 06, 2012, 08:23:50 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 06, 2012, 08:06:34 PM
Quote from: Doktor Phoxero on January 06, 2012, 07:51:16 PM
As for Holist, *shrug*. I didn't mean to be condescending, and it would seem that it didn't come across that way to him (or if it did, he simply moved past it).

DECI4, I find amusing.

Phox, ya know I love ya, so please don't take this as a pile-on, but indulging in DECI4-ism is like watching teevee or playing an addictive video game.  It might FEEL good, but it's false slack.  It's sort of like having sex with republicans...You may as well just masturbate.

Also, in your polemics to new people (which I in principle approve of), perhaps more weirdness and less hazing.  But that's just a suggestion.
Good point, Roger. I will keep that in mind.

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- Malay proverb

"But after I lick that toad day and night, it'll sure as hell look smooth to me."
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Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: EK WAFFLR on January 06, 2012, 10:24:44 PM
TGRR: I appreciate the sentiment, but I think I might be a "special" (shortbus variety, maybe, but still) case, as I found myself right at home from the very beginning.
Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: East Coast Hustle on January 06, 2012, 10:32:18 PM
Quote from: Doktor Phoxero on January 06, 2012, 08:20:38 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on January 06, 2012, 08:00:12 PM
Quote from: Doktor Phoxero on January 06, 2012, 07:41:04 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 06, 2012, 07:11:59 PM
That guy is the latest and greatest example, but what seems to have gone by the wayside completely is the 50-post suggestion, and also the convention of ignoring lame trolls.

It seems to be mostly a couple of posters who just can't help but display their braggadocio  every time someone new shows up. It doesn't really do the board a whole lot of good to instantly put the enthusiastic new kid on the defensive for no real reason. A hint or a nudge, but all-out chest-pounding monkey challenge before they even get to 50 posts? When they at least didn't come in full-on trolling for a change?

Then the new kid gets defensive and ENGAGES them in the monkey challenge, and pages of screeching ensue, usually resulting in the new kid feeling rejected and leaving.

So really, all I'm asking is, can we COOL IT WITH THE MONKEY CHEST POUNDING every time a troll posts or a new guy has bad punctuation? PHOX I AM LOOKING AT YOU.
Umm. Nigel, I was and am, in fact, in a civil discussion with holist about the culture of this forum in particular and the reasons why that certain things he is doing are likely to garner a bad reaction. I did not insult him for his punctuation or capitalization. So. Why is this directed at me?

As soon as you dropped the line about "you will be dubbed sir fucktard 7" or whatever, it hurtled across the line into "condescending chest-beating".

I suspect the reason Nigel is addressing you specifically ITT is that your missives to noobs almost invariably contain some version of that line.

Couching your chest-beating in verbosity and erudition does not make it stop being chest-beating.
If you view it as "condescending chest-beating", that's fine. I intended it to be a throw-away joke, and that seems to be how it was received by Holist, so I will continue with my conversation with holist  because I have taken a liking to him.

Yeah, I thought about it more and decided that your literary dressings-down are actually a pretty reasonable way of separating the wheat from the chaff, if not overdone.

I think it's mostly just that I wish you would come up with a better go-to insult than "fucktard". IMO it lessens the impact of the whole "friendly warning/advice couched in academic terms" schtick.
Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: Phox on January 06, 2012, 10:50:29 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on January 06, 2012, 10:32:18 PM
Quote from: Doktor Phoxero on January 06, 2012, 08:20:38 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on January 06, 2012, 08:00:12 PM
Quote from: Doktor Phoxero on January 06, 2012, 07:41:04 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 06, 2012, 07:11:59 PM
That guy is the latest and greatest example, but what seems to have gone by the wayside completely is the 50-post suggestion, and also the convention of ignoring lame trolls.

It seems to be mostly a couple of posters who just can't help but display their braggadocio  every time someone new shows up. It doesn't really do the board a whole lot of good to instantly put the enthusiastic new kid on the defensive for no real reason. A hint or a nudge, but all-out chest-pounding monkey challenge before they even get to 50 posts? When they at least didn't come in full-on trolling for a change?

Then the new kid gets defensive and ENGAGES them in the monkey challenge, and pages of screeching ensue, usually resulting in the new kid feeling rejected and leaving.

So really, all I'm asking is, can we COOL IT WITH THE MONKEY CHEST POUNDING every time a troll posts or a new guy has bad punctuation? PHOX I AM LOOKING AT YOU.
Umm. Nigel, I was and am, in fact, in a civil discussion with holist about the culture of this forum in particular and the reasons why that certain things he is doing are likely to garner a bad reaction. I did not insult him for his punctuation or capitalization. So. Why is this directed at me?

As soon as you dropped the line about "you will be dubbed sir fucktard 7" or whatever, it hurtled across the line into "condescending chest-beating".

I suspect the reason Nigel is addressing you specifically ITT is that your missives to noobs almost invariably contain some version of that line.

Couching your chest-beating in verbosity and erudition does not make it stop being chest-beating.
If you view it as "condescending chest-beating", that's fine. I intended it to be a throw-away joke, and that seems to be how it was received by Holist, so I will continue with my conversation with holist  because I have taken a liking to him.

Yeah, I thought about it more and decided that your literary dressings-down are actually a pretty reasonable way of separating the wheat from the chaff, if not overdone.

I think it's mostly just that I wish you would come up with a better go-to insult than "fucktard". IMO it lessens the impact of the whole "friendly warning/advice couched in academic terms" schtick.
You've got a valid point there. I'll try to find something that better fits the tone for the next one.
Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on January 06, 2012, 10:55:27 PM
Waffle iron- ive seen plenty of noobs come in with no problem at all. Myself included.
Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 06, 2012, 11:51:37 PM
Phox, I want to tell you how much I appreciate that you didn't go all screechy or personal on me over being critical of something you do. I'm super-grateful that you realize that it's not because I don't like you personally, because I do. I really like what you contribute to the board overall. :)
Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: Phox on January 07, 2012, 12:11:32 AM
Quote from: Nigel on January 06, 2012, 11:51:37 PM
Phox, I want to tell you how much I appreciate that you didn't go all screechy or personal on me over being critical of something you do. I'm super-grateful that you realize that it's not because I don't like you personally, because I do. I really like what you contribute to the board overall. :)
Don't worry about it, Nigel. While we may not necessarily agree 100% on this issue, I can fully appreciate where you're coming from with your criticisms, especially considering that I've done more than my share of n00b-dickery and troll feeding. It's a known and noted behavior of mine, and I've got no qualms with owning it. And yeah, totally primate behavior, and I've been trying to work on it.

And thanks.  :)
Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: EK WAFFLR on January 07, 2012, 12:21:07 AM
Quote from: Areola Shinerbock on January 06, 2012, 10:55:27 PM
Waffle iron- ive seen plenty of noobs come in with no problem at all. Myself included.

Oh, I'm not unique by any means. I just wanted to clarify that this is a place for me wether y'all like me or not.
Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on January 07, 2012, 12:25:52 AM
Ah. Well i like you. I gather that suu does too since you guys are engaged or something. ;)
Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: EK WAFFLR on January 07, 2012, 12:42:11 AM
Quote from: Areola Shinerbock on January 07, 2012, 12:25:52 AM
Ah. Well i like you. I gather that suu does too since you guys are engaged or something. ;)

I liek you too, Christmasbock.
Suu must fess up her byzantine ring to me before that ever happens.  :aaa:
Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on January 07, 2012, 12:46:18 AM
Please stop calling me by my punishment name. Im twid nephew twiddleton or doktor blight. Or kev. Also i think my sentence is over except the trolling bit.
Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: EK WAFFLR on January 07, 2012, 12:51:52 AM
Ok then, Twiddly-widdly.
Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on January 07, 2012, 12:59:07 AM
Oh fuck you waffley doofley :lol:
Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: EK WAFFLR on January 07, 2012, 01:04:17 AM
Quote from: Areola Shinerbock on January 07, 2012, 12:59:07 AM
Oh fuck you waffley doofley :lol:

THAT DOESN'T EVEN RHYME IN THE QUEEN'S ENGLISH
Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: Don Coyote on January 07, 2012, 01:05:34 AM
Quote from: Waffle Iron on January 07, 2012, 01:04:17 AM
Quote from: Areola Shinerbock on January 07, 2012, 12:59:07 AM
Oh fuck you waffley doofley :lol:

THAT DOESN'T EVEN RHYME IN THE QUEEN'S ENGLISH

THIS IS MURRICA!!!!
Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: EK WAFFLR on January 07, 2012, 01:07:11 AM
Quote from: Pope Pastor Wolf-Something-Or-Other on January 07, 2012, 01:05:34 AM
Quote from: Waffle Iron on January 07, 2012, 01:04:17 AM
Quote from: Areola Shinerbock on January 07, 2012, 12:59:07 AM
Oh fuck you waffley doofley :lol:

THAT DOESN'T EVEN RHYME IN THE QUEEN'S ENGLISH

THIS IS MURRICA!!!!

GO MEtriC FOR FUCK'S SAKE
Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: Don Coyote on January 07, 2012, 01:07:50 AM
Quote from: Waffle Iron on January 07, 2012, 01:07:11 AM
Quote from: Pope Pastor Wolf-Something-Or-Other on January 07, 2012, 01:05:34 AM
Quote from: Waffle Iron on January 07, 2012, 01:04:17 AM
Quote from: Areola Shinerbock on January 07, 2012, 12:59:07 AM
Oh fuck you waffley doofley :lol:

THAT DOESN'T EVEN RHYME IN THE QUEEN'S ENGLISH

THIS IS MURRICA!!!!

GO MEtriC FOR FUCK'S SAKE

KEEP YER COOMUNIST WAYZ AWAYZ FROM MEH!!!!!!!
Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: EK WAFFLR on January 07, 2012, 01:08:49 AM
Quote from: Pope Pastor Wolf-Something-Or-Other on January 07, 2012, 01:07:50 AM
Quote from: Waffle Iron on January 07, 2012, 01:07:11 AM
Quote from: Pope Pastor Wolf-Something-Or-Other on January 07, 2012, 01:05:34 AM
Quote from: Waffle Iron on January 07, 2012, 01:04:17 AM
Quote from: Areola Shinerbock on January 07, 2012, 12:59:07 AM
Oh fuck you waffley doofley :lol:

THAT DOESN'T EVEN RHYME IN THE QUEEN'S ENGLISH

THIS IS MURRICA!!!!

GO MEtriC FOR FUCK'S SAKE

KEEP YER COOMUNIST WAYZ AWAYZ FROM MEH!!!!!!!

SAY YOU LOVE SCHTALIN
Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on January 07, 2012, 01:14:56 AM
Typing on phone. Expect typos doofley .
Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 07, 2012, 04:01:16 AM
Quote from: Waffle Iron on January 07, 2012, 01:07:11 AM
Quote from: Pope Pastor Wolf-Something-Or-Other on January 07, 2012, 01:05:34 AM
Quote from: Waffle Iron on January 07, 2012, 01:04:17 AM
Quote from: Areola Shinerbock on January 07, 2012, 12:59:07 AM
Oh fuck you waffley doofley :lol:

THAT DOESN'T EVEN RHYME IN THE QUEEN'S ENGLISH

THIS IS MURRICA!!!!

GO MEtriC FOR FUCK'S SAKE

Then we'd need to buy new clocks.
Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: East Coast Hustle on January 07, 2012, 05:52:02 AM
And trade in all of our paper currency for new metric dollars.
Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 07, 2012, 05:58:01 AM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on January 07, 2012, 05:52:02 AM
And trade in all of our paper currency for new metric dollars.

And play football like Canadians.

And that's just wrong.
Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: Dildo Argentino on January 07, 2012, 08:19:02 AM
Quote from: Don Coyote on January 06, 2012, 07:32:05 PM
Coyote had a long post in which he explained his position and then decided fuck it. holist is a screeching monkey, and so are a few of the other posters  in that thread. And this is why Coyote said fuck it, noob not worth it.

coyote jumped his/her guns

holist is a quiet and polite and unassuming bear

hatchet? as in bury it?
Title: Re: I never thought I would say this...
Post by: Triple Zero on January 07, 2012, 07:26:52 PM
Quote from: Waffle Iron on January 06, 2012, 10:24:44 PM
TGRR: I appreciate the sentiment, but I think I might be a "special" (shortbus variety, maybe, but still) case, as I found myself right at home from the very beginning.

Well, we need MORE of those.

Or the past members who left and qualified as those getting their pretty asses the fuck back here.

I really think it's time to send out a big mailing to the cool people who used to be here but sort of wandered off. Maybe they won't all respond, but if it's just two or three that would be a major win.