When was the last time you saw a major news org mention OWS, SOPA, or NDAA?
http://www.realitysandwich.com/censoring_the_revolution
Six people at Global Revolution TV were arrested last week as the team was evicted from their headquarters in Brooklyn. The Global Revolution team has covered Occupy Wall Street through live streaming since Day 1. Global Revolution is directly responsible for bringing local as well as national and international attention, and participation, to the Occupy movement. At its outset, they operated under a tarp in the centerof Zuccotti Park, but as gears shifted through the fall and winter, Global Revolution's base has been forced to relocate several times. On January 2nd, an eviction notice was posted on the door of the latest headquarters at 13 Thames Street in Bushwick, stating that the space is "imminently perilous to life" and that "violators of the commissioner's Vacate Order are subject to arrest". Interestingly, no one else in the building was evicted despite these dubious and vague claims about imminent health hazards at this address.
Among the six arrested that night was Vlad Teichberg, a former Wall Street trader who gave up his pursuit of profit for the pursuit of social justice. The charges were: Trespass, Obstructing Governmental Administration and Resisting Arrest. All six were released on the night of January 4th.
http://www.thewheatandchaff.com/arrest-reflections/
QuoteI explained to the officer – his name was Lamarche, and his partner's was Ducie – that there must have been some misunderstanding. Could I speak to someone from the campaign to clear this up? No. I'd have to leave immediately.
I asked about his authority to remove me. "We're working for the Romney campaign," he said. I asked if he was on-duty; he said he was. My confusion deepened. So was he working for the town of Hudson today, or for the campaign? "Both." (Later, I think I got it straight: the campaign hired the police for the day, sort of like a private security detail.)
I thought about Romney's campaign staff inside. They had mistaken me for someone else, and that was enough – I was out. They had imagined trouble and whisked it away, out of sight. And the police – my police – were being paid to do their bidding.
And when they pass SOPA and add the "Information National Guardsman" bill to the PATRIOT act, we'll never know the difference anymore.
This stuff has made me angry for a long time and for years, I was accused of wearing tinfoil on my head. It makes the probbility of a second Holucaust seem all the more real to me.
OK waittaminute....
how did you get from "odious and intrusive law that restricts the free flow of information" to "they're gonna round us up and put us in concentration camps to do vile experiments on us before we're all murdered"?
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on January 12, 2012, 11:40:12 PM
OK waittaminute....
how did you get from "odious and intrusive law that restricts the free flow of information" to "they're gonna round us up and put us in concentration camps to do vile experiments on us before we're all murdered"?
Yeah, that's a little optimistic.
Unless that concentration camp is called "America" and the experiment is called "American Idol".
But yeah. A modern police state, especially one that prides itself on rational tools of governance, isn't going to rely on mass extermination except in extreme situations, ie; an uprising or revolt (see: Iraq, Iran, Egypt, Kazakhstan etc).
Instead, it'll just use mass incaceration and slave labour to keep the groups most likely to cause an uprising or revolt in line. That way, it's not only repression, it's economically viable represession that pays in the long-term for itself. Along with that, a mostly compliant media can keep too much information from upsetting the rest of the populace, or framing it in terms that make such movements appear less sympathetic (this is not so much a "conspiracy" as a mix of laziness, stupidity, forgetfulness and class interests trumping the natural flow of information. Deadlines have gotta be reached, yo, journalists don't have the luxury of time to analyze a situation, so it will immediately be framed in the most mainstream of conventional political terms, regardless of how useful or true that is. Also, false equivalences and PR are distasteful, but easy to put in, and so make up the word count faster).
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on January 12, 2012, 11:40:12 PM
OK waittaminute....
how did you get from "odious and intrusive law that restricts the free flow of information" to "they're gonna round us up and put us in concentration camps to do vile experiments on us before we're all murdered"?
I don't know. It just feeeeeeels like what's gonna happen. Probably.
Oh, well, don't let little things like rationality get in the way of your emotion-based hunch. :lulz:
Sorry, Navkat, it just chaps my ass when people equate something bad foisted on us by the government to OMG ANOTHER HOLOCAUST.
It's like a more hysterical version of Godwin's Law.
perhaps, Navkat, it feeeels like that because in order for their depopulation plans to be executed properly, they must maintain a strict control on information flow during the process. :tinfoilhat:
makes sense to me.
More to the point, WHY? They're already IN power, so they have nobody to appease and no promises to make, and we're acting like good little workdrone/consumerist sheep.
It wouldn't be profitable...And we're run by cynical pragmatists, for the most part, not wild-eyed ideologues. Profit is what matters.
yeah, in a society where economic advantage relies upon perpetual growth, why would the powers that be want to wipe out any substantial segment of the population?
They'd much rather just find a way to sell you a false revolution.
perpetual growth is not sustainable, and they know it. unchecked, we will have a population bust and who comes out on top will be a roll of the dice.
if they are able to proactively eliminate a large part of the population, and maintain their positions of power, though....
then the growth based system that they benefit from can continue.
(i'm just speaking as devil's advocate here. if there is any global conspiracy, i would say that it is unconscious, uncoordinated, and inevitable)
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on January 13, 2012, 01:58:59 PMSorry, Navkat, it just chaps my ass when people equate something bad foisted on us by the government to OMG ANOTHER HOLOCAUST.
Dude I'm sorry to hear about the holocaust on your ass, but just because Navkat doesn't sound
quite like Nazi doesn't mean she can't wildly speculate about your Fuhrers farting Zyklon all over the United Reichs of America.
Now if you'll excuse me I have to bring some Holocaust to my toilet.
I'm not even sure I know what that all means and it's STILL funny as hell. :lulz:
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on January 13, 2012, 04:52:38 PM
I'm not even sure I know what that all means and it's STILL funny as Holocaust. :lulz:
This is surely what you meant to say.
STOP IT TRIP I AM TRYING TO EAT LUNCH! :lulz:
Didn't want to spoil your concentration, but if you're having trouble swallowing, try a gas of juice.
Thanks Trip. Now I've got ketchup all over my neck.
I guess I'd better go take a shower.
Quote from: Iptuous on January 13, 2012, 03:13:17 PM
perhaps, Navkat, it feeeels like that because in order for their depopulation plans to be executed properly, they must maintain a strict control on information flow during the process. :tinfoilhat:
makes sense to me.
Governments lie to their populations on a daily basis.
While one use of control of information is to make sure the people being put in death camps don't know they're being put into death camps, historically it is of quite low incidence.
Lying about popular support for the government, its policies and how effective those policies are, is far more common.
Quote from: Iptuous on January 13, 2012, 04:18:24 PM
perpetual growth is not sustainable, and they know it. unchecked, we will have a population bust and who comes out on top will be a roll of the dice.
if they are able to proactively eliminate a large part of the population, and maintain their positions of power, though....
then the growth based system that they benefit from can continue.
(i'm just speaking as devil's advocate here. if there is any global conspiracy, i would say that it is unconscious, uncoordinated, and inevitable)
Except most politicians and their think-tank creatures really believe what they are saying.
This is the horrible truth of politics. Most of what people say, they actually believe. Politicians are suprisingly candide, despite the above position that they are also frequently liars. Most politicians do believe economic growth will go on without end, for ever and ever amen. Most did believe there were WMD in Iraq. Most really do think that there is no tradeoff between security and freedom, or that the terrorists hate us for our freedoms. What Presidents say on the campaign trail is mostly what they actually do while in office.
One of the great ironies of the CoN is that those with the most power in the system are those most enslaved by its agenda, to the point they cannot even be cynical, Machiavellian schemers (a few exceptions aside).
That what they believe is wrong has to do with a mix of human nature, the effect of power on the individual, ideological conformity, cognitive biases and incorrectly operating feedback loops.
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Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 13, 2012, 06:40:38 PM
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I fucking love that.
Distribute without caution.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 13, 2012, 06:45:27 PM
Distribute without caution.
I just happen to have a color printer and 20 pages of 8.5X11 crack n peel printer paper left.
What a happy coincidence!
:evil:
Odd, I have quite a lot myself and the office is quite empty today.........
agreed, Cain.
however, when thinking of a 'global ruling elite' politicians are not strictly what spring to mind for me...
Quote from: Iptuous on January 13, 2012, 07:41:05 PM
agreed, Cain.
however, when thinking of a 'global ruling elite' politicians are not strictly what spring to mind for me...
Lizards?
gnomes
and you. i'm pretty sure you're in on the depopulation scheme, too....
Quote from: Iptuous on January 13, 2012, 08:15:14 PM
gnomes
and you. i'm pretty sure you're in on the depopulation scheme, too....
I have a whackjob friend, one of my partners in crime, actually, who believes in that depopulation scheme shit.
If it IS happening, then there's no reason to worry about the conspirators, because they're obviously incompetent as all hell. I mean, looking around, the world is pretty much nut-to-butt & shoulder-to-shoulder.
Quote from: Iptuous on January 13, 2012, 08:15:14 PM
gnomes
and you. i'm pretty sure you're in on the depopulation scheme, too....
"In on the depopulation scheme"?
He
is the depopulation scheme.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 13, 2012, 08:19:43 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on January 13, 2012, 08:15:14 PM
gnomes
and you. i'm pretty sure you're in on the depopulation scheme, too....
"In on the depopulation scheme"?
He is the depopulation scheme.
But I have to kill 200 people a minute, just to BREAK EVEN. My arms are tired.
So, take off your pance.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 13, 2012, 08:18:34 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on January 13, 2012, 08:15:14 PM
gnomes
and you. i'm pretty sure you're in on the depopulation scheme, too....
I have a whackjob friend, one of my partners in crime, actually, who believes in that depopulation scheme shit.
If it IS happening, then there's no reason to worry about the conspirators, because they're obviously incompetent as all hell. I mean, looking around, the world is pretty much nut-to-butt & shoulder-to-shoulder.
your friend believes that we are currently in the throes of the depopulation? how does he conclude that? (seeing as how you are absolutely correct in your assessment, in my opinion)
or does he think that those who would perpetrate such a thing are still preparing for the transition?
i personally don't see it as too far fetched simply because, if i had the power, i'd off the lot of you all, too.
Quote from: Iptuous on January 13, 2012, 08:31:24 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 13, 2012, 08:18:34 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on January 13, 2012, 08:15:14 PM
gnomes
and you. i'm pretty sure you're in on the depopulation scheme, too....
I have a whackjob friend, one of my partners in crime, actually, who believes in that depopulation scheme shit.
If it IS happening, then there's no reason to worry about the conspirators, because they're obviously incompetent as all hell. I mean, looking around, the world is pretty much nut-to-butt & shoulder-to-shoulder.
your friend believes that we are currently in the throes of the depopulation? how does he conclude that? (seeing as how you are absolutely correct in your assessment, in my opinion)
or does he think that those who would perpetrate such a thing are still preparing for the transition?
i personally don't see it as too far fetched simply because, if i had the power, i'd off the lot of you all, too.
Preparing.
But they're gonna have to hustle. History has PROVEN that people fuck faster than you can kill them.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 13, 2012, 08:29:35 PM
So, take off your pance.
That would just make MORE people. :sad:
TGRR,
Has a hair-trigger Yeti mating urge.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 13, 2012, 08:33:02 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on January 13, 2012, 08:31:24 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 13, 2012, 08:18:34 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on January 13, 2012, 08:15:14 PM
gnomes
and you. i'm pretty sure you're in on the depopulation scheme, too....
I have a whackjob friend, one of my partners in crime, actually, who believes in that depopulation scheme shit.
If it IS happening, then there's no reason to worry about the conspirators, because they're obviously incompetent as all hell. I mean, looking around, the world is pretty much nut-to-butt & shoulder-to-shoulder.
your friend believes that we are currently in the throes of the depopulation? how does he conclude that? (seeing as how you are absolutely correct in your assessment, in my opinion)
or does he think that those who would perpetrate such a thing are still preparing for the transition?
i personally don't see it as too far fetched simply because, if i had the power, i'd off the lot of you all, too.
Preparing.
But they're gonna have to hustle. History has PROVEN that people fuck faster than you can kill them.
in the long run, yes. and that's what they need for the expansion based economics, anyways. but in the short term, populations could certainly be eliminated by more than one method, no?
Quote from: Iptuous on January 13, 2012, 08:40:46 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 13, 2012, 08:33:02 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on January 13, 2012, 08:31:24 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 13, 2012, 08:18:34 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on January 13, 2012, 08:15:14 PM
gnomes
and you. i'm pretty sure you're in on the depopulation scheme, too....
I have a whackjob friend, one of my partners in crime, actually, who believes in that depopulation scheme shit.
If it IS happening, then there's no reason to worry about the conspirators, because they're obviously incompetent as all hell. I mean, looking around, the world is pretty much nut-to-butt & shoulder-to-shoulder.
your friend believes that we are currently in the throes of the depopulation? how does he conclude that? (seeing as how you are absolutely correct in your assessment, in my opinion)
or does he think that those who would perpetrate such a thing are still preparing for the transition?
i personally don't see it as too far fetched simply because, if i had the power, i'd off the lot of you all, too.
Preparing.
But they're gonna have to hustle. History has PROVEN that people fuck faster than you can kill them.
in the long run, yes. and that's what they need for the expansion based economics, anyways. but in the short term, populations could certainly be eliminated by more than one method, no?
Look at the world population in 1937 and in 1955.
Nothing you can do can kill people faster than they fuck without that method also nailing the alledged conspirators themselves.
there have been periods where regional depopulation through war was significant...
but i would think that depopulation through starvation or disease would be more effective on a global scale.
Quote from: Iptuous on January 13, 2012, 07:41:05 PM
agreed, Cain.
however, when thinking of a 'global ruling elite' politicians are not strictly what spring to mind for me...
Well, bankers and hedge fund managers aint exactly doing any better. Neither are oil magnates. Once you get past the financial sector's elite, who it must be said are also rather foolish and inclined to believe their own bullshit, there are very few credible candidates left for the global ruling elite. Some intelligence agents, military types and arms industrialists, perhaps.
But realistically, the global elite is as dumb as a bag of nails. It's proven that power actually makes people less able to understand the POV of others. Goes back to RAW, the only true communication is between equals. People told Saddam what he wanted to hear, because he was a bloody tyrant who would have them killed for contradicting him. Same for Lloyd Blankfein, only with less blood (directly, at least).
People in power invariably end up inside an echo chamber of their own ideological nonsense.
Quote from: Iptuous on January 13, 2012, 09:04:29 PM
there have been periods where regional depopulation through war was significant...
For how long?
Quote from: Iptuous on January 13, 2012, 09:04:29 PM
but i would think that depopulation through starvation or disease would be more effective on a global scale.
Take a look at how long it took for the world population to recover from the plague pandemics.
I'm telling ya man, you can't stop the monkey. Betting against monkeys is like betting against rats and cockroaches.
I'd like to posit the world's most successful and influential conspiracy, the Catholic Church, which claims to speak for a billion people, or 1/6th of the planet, could be posited as a member of the global elite, and most certainly is not interested in depopulation. Rather the opposite.
Futhermore, if you wanted to slow and reverse population growth, the best thing you could do would be to a) raise as many people to middle class standards of living as possible, and b) provide free contraception. Given the prediliction among the political financial elites to destroy the global economy for the lulz and play fun games of "use crazy fundamentalists to shore up political support" this does not seem to be the case.
Quote from: Cain on January 13, 2012, 09:12:48 PM
I'd like to posit the world's most successful and influential conspiracy, the Catholic Church, which claims to speak for a billion people, or 1/6th of the planet, could be posited as a member of the global elite, and most certainly is not interested in depopulation. Rather the opposite.
Futhermore, if you wanted to slow and reverse population growth, the best thing you could do would be to a) raise as many people to middle class standards of living as possible, and b) provide free contraception. Given the prediliction among the political financial elites to destroy the global economy for the lulz and play fun games of "use crazy fundamentalists to shore up political support" this does not seem to be the case.
And, again, the "let 'em breed til they choke in their own shit" CT would also doom the conspirators.
Yeah, exactly.
(http://troll.me/images/conspiracy-keanu/what-if-sopa-was-written-to-distract-us-from-pipa.jpg)
Seriously though. That wouldn't be that crazy...would it?
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/English_Wikipedia_anti-SOPA_blackout
QuoteIt is the opinion of the English Wikipedia community that both of these bills, if passed, would be devastating to the free and open web.
...Over the course of the past 72 hours, over 1800 Wikipedians have joined together to discuss proposed actions that the community might wish to take against SOPA and PIPA. This is by far the largest level of participation in a community discussion ever seen on Wikipedia, which illustrates the level of concern that Wikipedians feel about this proposed legislation. The overwhelming majority of participants support community action to encourage greater public action in response to these two bills. Of the proposals considered by Wikipedians, those that would result in a "blackout" of the English Wikipedia, in concert with similar blackouts on other websites opposed to SOPA and PIPA, received the strongest support.
On careful review of this discussion, the closing administrators note the broad-based support for action from Wikipedians around the world, not just from within the United States. The primary objection to a global blackout came from those who preferred that the blackout be limited to readers from the United States, with the rest of the world seeing a simple banner notice instead. We also noted that roughly 55% of those supporting a blackout preferred that it be a global one, with many pointing to concerns about similar legislation in other nations....
...We depend on a legal infrastructure that makes it possible for us to operate. And we depend on a legal infrastructure that also allows other sites to host user-contributed material, both information and expression. For the most part, Wikimedia projects are organizing and summarizing and collecting the world's knowledge. We're putting it in context, and showing people how to make to sense of it.
But that knowledge has to be published somewhere for anyone to find and use it. Where it can be censored without due process, it hurts the speaker, the public, and Wikimedia. Where you can only speak if you have sufficient resources to fight legal challenges, or if your views are pre-approved by someone who does, the same narrow set of ideas already popular will continue to be all anyone has meaningful access to....
Sue Gardner,
Executive Director, Wikimedia Foundation
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on January 13, 2012, 01:58:59 PM
Sorry, Navkat, it just chaps my ass when people equate something bad foisted on us by the government to OMG ANOTHER HOLOCAUST.
It's like a more hysterical version of Godwin's Law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came%E2%80%A6 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came%E2%80%A6)
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on January 17, 2012, 10:48:14 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on January 13, 2012, 01:58:59 PM
Sorry, Navkat, it just chaps my ass when people equate something bad foisted on us by the government to OMG ANOTHER HOLOCAUST.
It's like a more hysterical version of Godwin's Law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came%E2%80%A6 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came%E2%80%A6)
So, they've started hauling off Jews and trade unionists, have they?
Jesus H Christ.
The point is if you give a government an inch they'll take a mile.
First they came for the people who made trite Holocaust comparisons, and no-one really gave a fuck.
:::edited due to posting in wrong thread:::
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 17, 2012, 10:48:56 PM
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on January 17, 2012, 10:48:14 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on January 13, 2012, 01:58:59 PM
Sorry, Navkat, it just chaps my ass when people equate something bad foisted on us by the government to OMG ANOTHER HOLOCAUST.
It's like a more hysterical version of Godwin's Law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came%E2%80%A6 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came%E2%80%A6)
So, they've started hauling off Jews and trade unionists, have they?
Jesus H Christ.
Well, if you look at the history of unions in America since 1981, yes.