You know, I've been taking LMNO's advice and pre-writing shit on Word before posting, to avoid those moments of blind rage that happen when the board times out and kills a page of solid ranting.
Problem: The formating always fucks up
and
you get paragraphs that look like
this
Yeah, for some reason Microsoft decided the new version of word should fuck all formatting forever.
To get paragraphs that anything else recognizes, it is necessary to hold shift and press enter rather than just pressing enter for a new paragraph.
Quote from: Demolition_Squid on January 31, 2012, 07:44:03 PM
Yeah, for some reason Microsoft decided the new version of word should fuck all formatting forever.
To get paragraphs that anything else recognizes, it is necessary to hold shift and press enter rather than just pressing enter for a new paragraph.
WOOT! Thanks.
Other problem: It orphans lines of text like
this.
Plenty of room left, and for some reason it ADDS a return.
I'm feeling quite lucky
that
my work uses a much older
version
of Word. On the other
hand
this would have come in
useful
when coming up with the
formatting
of the Chao te Ching.
That... I have no idea about. :eek:
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 31, 2012, 07:46:09 PM
I'm feeling quite lucky
that
my work uses a much older
version
of Word. On the other
hand
this would have come in
useful
when coming up with the
formatting
of the Chao te Ching.
So upgrade. It's only a few hundred bucks that you'd otherwise just blow on food & shit.
Heh. IT would frown on such things, of course. They need to maintain control of the licenses.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 31, 2012, 07:50:24 PM
Heh. IT would frown on such things, of course. They need to maintain control of the licenses.
Tell them to get over their pig heavy control trip.
You have to be firm with those geeks, or they'll walk all over you.
Try Notepad, IIRC it's just a basic PC text editor.
Dammit, net, you beat me to it.
Quote from: Net on January 31, 2012, 07:57:53 PM
Try Notepad, IIRC it's just a basic PC text editor.
Notepad is even worse. I have to go put every paragraph break back in when I cut & paste.
weird. I tend to use Notepad, and it looks fine when I c&p. I wonder if it has something to do with Word Wrap.
was looking for a goofy image to punch up this post. Couldn't find one. How is "Word Rap" not a hip-hop group/album already?
Quote from: Cramulus on January 31, 2012, 08:24:58 PM
weird. I tend to use Notepad, and it looks fine when I c&p. I wonder if it has something to do with Word Wrap.
was looking for a goofy image to punch up this post. Couldn't find one. How is "Word Rap" not a hip-hop group/album already?
Because you didn't do it yet.
Get moving.
:lulz:
TGRR,
IT'S LIKE THAT, AND THAT'S THE WAY IT IS.
If you save it with word warp on it sometimes messes with your line breaks. At least mine does, but I'm on shittyshittyvista so really who knows?
Open Office. Free and I never have problems.
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on January 31, 2012, 08:32:45 PM
Open Office. Free and I never have problems.
I am stuck using the software of my corporate masters.
I used to have OpenOffice on a thumbstick (http://www.portablefreeware.com/?id=212) for that exact reason.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 31, 2012, 08:01:33 PMQuote from: Net on January 31, 2012, 07:57:53 PMTry Notepad, IIRC it's just a basic PC text editor.
Notepad is even worse. I have to go put every paragraph break back in when I cut & paste.
Then you're doing something wrong, with word-wrap switched on, it should be
exactly equivalent to the post form on a website.
Maybe that's the difference? In the post form on the PD forum you need
two linebreaks for a proper paragraph break (cause you use a blank line for spacing) but in Word it only needs one linebreak because the inter-paragraph spacing is part of the "paragraph style" settings, not the text.
Or do you mean pasting from and to Word documents? Because Word is the wonky one, Notepad is just plain text. The "paragraph style" spacing does not transfer to Notepad, just like font, color, italics will not.
So in short, you probably need two linebreaks between paragraphs.
The content of the clipboard can be in multiple formats. That's how you can copypaste images, files, folders, plain text [just letters and newlines] and formatted text [font, par breaks, italics, etc]. The thing is, Word deals with formatted text and Notepad deals with plain text.
(Since formatted text is almost never internally represented the same way across applications unless they're both Office applications, copypasting plaintext is almost always what you want. Hence, a lot of people copypaste their text chunks with a quick detour "dip" in Notepad, just to strip it of any formattings)
Re: GARBO on Open Office -- wouldnt help even if Rog could install it. OO's only advantage is that it is free. It's got the same amount of wonk that Word has.
Re: Queen_Gogira on Word Wrap -- in Notepad, the "word wrap" setting only affects display, not the actual contents of the file. It doesn't actually insert newlines, it just wraps long lines so they'll fit on the screen without having to display a horizontal scrollbar. You can verify this for yourself by changing the size of the Notepad window.
alternatively, you can use GMail to write your rants in. Just compose a new mail addressed to self, GMail auto-saves your mail in the Drafts folder.
Select "no spacing" when starting a new document in Word.
Still, Word 2007 onwards is fucking annoying. Word 2003 was perfect, why did they have to mess with it? SHINY NEW PRODUCT BUY BUY BUY of course, but still...
Quote from: Triple Zero on February 01, 2012, 09:17:18 AM
Re: Queen_Gogira on Word Wrap -- in Notepad, the "word wrap" setting only affects display, not the actual contents of the file. It doesn't actually insert newlines, it just wraps long lines so they'll fit on the screen without having to display a horizontal scrollbar. You can verify this for yourself by changing the size of the Notepad window.
I know what it's
supposed to do, but it has legitimately thrown in line breaks where line breaks don't go on occasion for me. I'm fairly certain this is not a common thing.
WRT Microsoft Word -
There's options to turn all that annoying paragraphy stuff off; most are in Paragraph settings. Space before & after paragraphs is probably causing you the most trouble. Getting your settings to override default on new documents is a little trickier, but can be done.
Quote from: Triple Zero on February 01, 2012, 09:17:18 AM
Re: Queen_Gogira on Word Wrap -- in Notepad, the "word wrap" setting only affects display, not the actual contents of the file. It doesn't actually insert newlines, it just wraps long lines so they'll fit on the screen without having to display a horizontal scrollbar. You can verify this for yourself by changing the size of the Notepad window.
I swear that if you save the file while it's word wrapped it comes back with newlines in it.
Anyway, all of that's irrelevant because you should be using NOTEPAD++ (on windows anyway.)
I loathe the new version of Word.
Quote from: Nigel on February 01, 2012, 04:31:28 PM
I loathe the new version of Word.
Words cannot describe how much I hate Office 2007.
Quote from: Golden Applesauce on February 01, 2012, 01:44:07 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on February 01, 2012, 09:17:18 AM
Re: Queen_Gogira on Word Wrap -- in Notepad, the "word wrap" setting only affects display, not the actual contents of the file. It doesn't actually insert newlines, it just wraps long lines so they'll fit on the screen without having to display a horizontal scrollbar. You can verify this for yourself by changing the size of the Notepad window.
I swear that if you save the file while it's word wrapped it comes back with newlines in it.
Anyway, all of that's irrelevant because you should be using NOTEPAD++ (on windows anyway.)
ok i might be wrong about the newlines thing. seems very odd though, because I never noticed it myself. But then, it's been ages since I used Notepad for things with longer lines.
About Notepad++, it's nice, I personally prefer jEdit or PSPad for Windows editors. I wouldn't recommend it for Roger though, because I don't really see the advantage if you're not writing code. Well, there might be a few, but it doesn't weigh up against the added complexity of having your menus crammed with 100s of options that you'll never use.
For text writing, the distraction free editors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distraction-free_editor) might be a good choice. They're full screen with just the text and optionally a word/line/char counter in the bottom. Bunch of extra features to aid text writing, but the main point is not to have anything else on the screen but the text so a writer can focus on that and only that:
* Q10 (http://baara.com/q10/)
* Dark Room (http://they.misled.us/dark-room)