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Principia Discordia => Aneristic Illusions => Topic started by: Oysters Rockefeller on March 19, 2012, 09:50:31 PM

Title: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Oysters Rockefeller on March 19, 2012, 09:50:31 PM
Please come pick your children up from Polk County.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/19/10761802-using-unholy-water-florida-atheists-scrub-away-blessing-from-local-road

I don't even know what to make of this. Is blessing a road stupid? Yes. Does it really do anything? No. So is it anything to get upset about?...As an atheist living in the bible belt, my answer is going to be  ABSOLUTELY NOT.

As ridiculous as that church sounds explaining themselves, HFA sounds worse. Especially here:
Quote"We come in peace," Humanists of Florida (HFA) director Mark Palmer shouted to crowd, according to News 9. "Now that's normally what aliens say when they visit a new planet, but we're not aliens, we're atheists!"

Thoughts?
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 09:55:25 PM
These people are fucking retarded.
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Juana on March 19, 2012, 09:56:35 PM
What.
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 09:57:08 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on March 19, 2012, 09:56:35 PM
What.

Well, it's a bunch of atheists showing that they are the rational ones.   :lulz:
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Don Coyote on March 19, 2012, 10:10:23 PM
These aethiests sound like wiccans to me.
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Freeky on March 19, 2012, 10:12:49 PM
That's amazing.
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Oysters Rockefeller on March 19, 2012, 10:15:09 PM
To counteract your actions, which we believe did nothing, we will do something which, within our own belief system, also accomplishes nothing!
Ha! Take that! It's still a normal road!
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Golden Applesauce on March 19, 2012, 10:23:34 PM
Well, that's what happens when you let vigilante organizations be responsible for your spiritual defenses.  Polk County should bring in the National Guard or whoever is responsible for this stuff and have them set up the anti-evil wards; then anyone who interferes with them is sabotaging national defense and can be legitimately prosecuted.
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Don Coyote on March 19, 2012, 10:26:03 PM
Quote from: Golden Applesauce on March 19, 2012, 10:23:34 PM
Well, that's what happens when you let vigilante organizations be responsible for your spiritual defenses.  Polk County should bring in the National Guard or whoever is responsible for this stuff and have them set up the anti-evil wards; then anyone who interferes with them is sabotaging national defense and can be legitimately prosecuted.

This needs to be a thing in the NG.
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 10:36:25 PM
Quote from: Guru Coyote on March 19, 2012, 10:26:03 PM
Quote from: Golden Applesauce on March 19, 2012, 10:23:34 PM
Well, that's what happens when you let vigilante organizations be responsible for your spiritual defenses.  Polk County should bring in the National Guard or whoever is responsible for this stuff and have them set up the anti-evil wards; then anyone who interferes with them is sabotaging national defense and can be legitimately prosecuted.

This needs to be a thing in the NG.

So vote republican.   :lulz:
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Golden Applesauce on March 19, 2012, 10:36:39 PM
NG?
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 10:37:26 PM
Quote from: Golden Applesauce on March 19, 2012, 10:36:39 PM
NG?

National Guard.
Nasty Girls
Not Going
etc
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Don Coyote on March 19, 2012, 10:39:37 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 10:36:25 PM
Quote from: Guru Coyote on March 19, 2012, 10:26:03 PM
Quote from: Golden Applesauce on March 19, 2012, 10:23:34 PM
Well, that's what happens when you let vigilante organizations be responsible for your spiritual defenses.  Polk County should bring in the National Guard or whoever is responsible for this stuff and have them set up the anti-evil wards; then anyone who interferes with them is sabotaging national defense and can be legitimately prosecuted.

This needs to be a thing in the NG.

So vote republican.   :lulz:

:lulz:

I am a bad person for finding this amusing aren't I?
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Cain on March 19, 2012, 10:42:32 PM
What this situation requires is for Discordians to put aholy water (100% theologically neutral!) on the road.  And the atheists.  And the Christians.  And then laugh at them all, while pointing and whispering to their friends, then laughing some more.
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Lenin McCarthy on March 19, 2012, 10:52:33 PM
Wat. Is this some kind of American phenomenon, people take their religion way too seriously even when they have none?
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: AFK on March 19, 2012, 10:55:29 PM
Quote from: Lenin McCarthy on March 19, 2012, 10:52:33 PM
Wat. Is this some kind of American phenomenon, people take their religion way too seriously even when they have none?

Basically yes.

Fucking asshats. 
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 20, 2012, 12:16:12 AM
Quote from: Lenin McCarthy on March 19, 2012, 10:52:33 PM
Wat. Is this some kind of American phenomenon, people take their religion way too seriously even when they have none?

Yes.

There's lead in our plumbing.
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 20, 2012, 12:20:36 AM
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on March 19, 2012, 10:55:29 PM
Quote from: Lenin McCarthy on March 19, 2012, 10:52:33 PM
Wat. Is this some kind of American phenomenon, people take their religion way too seriously even when they have none?

Basically yes.

Fucking asshats.

Plenty of proselyzing atheists on facebook.

Lead in the water, mercury in the tooth fillings.
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 20, 2012, 12:24:47 AM
Quote from: Oysters Rockefeller on March 19, 2012, 09:50:31 PM
Please come pick your children up from Polk County.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/19/10761802-using-unholy-water-florida-atheists-scrub-away-blessing-from-local-road

I don't even know what to make of this. Is blessing a road stupid? Yes. Does it really do anything? No. So is it anything to get upset about?...As an atheist living in the bible belt, my answer is going to be  ABSOLUTELY NOT.

As ridiculous as that church sounds explaining themselves, HFA sounds worse. Especially here:
Quote"We come in peace," Humanists of Florida (HFA) director Mark Palmer shouted to crowd, according to News 9. "Now that's normally what aliens say when they visit a new planet, but we're not aliens, we're atheists!"

Thoughts?

THAT FUCK??  :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

Wow. It's like the Atheists and the Fundies are in a competition to out-stupid each other.
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 20, 2012, 01:48:45 AM
Quote from: Nigel on March 20, 2012, 12:24:47 AM
Quote from: Oysters Rockefeller on March 19, 2012, 09:50:31 PM
Please come pick your children up from Polk County.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/19/10761802-using-unholy-water-florida-atheists-scrub-away-blessing-from-local-road

I don't even know what to make of this. Is blessing a road stupid? Yes. Does it really do anything? No. So is it anything to get upset about?...As an atheist living in the bible belt, my answer is going to be  ABSOLUTELY NOT.

As ridiculous as that church sounds explaining themselves, HFA sounds worse. Especially here:
Quote"We come in peace," Humanists of Florida (HFA) director Mark Palmer shouted to crowd, according to News 9. "Now that's normally what aliens say when they visit a new planet, but we're not aliens, we're atheists!"

Thoughts?

THAT FUCK??  :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

Wow. It's like the Atheists and the Fundies are in a competition to out-stupid each other.

I'm guessing a lot of atheists are disaffected fundies. Lobotomy is forever.
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Oysters Rockefeller on March 20, 2012, 03:38:10 AM
Quote from: Nigel on March 20, 2012, 12:24:47 AM
Quote from: Oysters Rockefeller on March 19, 2012, 09:50:31 PM
Please come pick your children up from Polk County.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/19/10761802-using-unholy-water-florida-atheists-scrub-away-blessing-from-local-road

I don't even know what to make of this. Is blessing a road stupid? Yes. Does it really do anything? No. So is it anything to get upset about?...As an atheist living in the bible belt, my answer is going to be  ABSOLUTELY NOT.

As ridiculous as that church sounds explaining themselves, HFA sounds worse. Especially here:
Quote"We come in peace," Humanists of Florida (HFA) director Mark Palmer shouted to crowd, according to News 9. "Now that's normally what aliens say when they visit a new planet, but we're not aliens, we're atheists!"

Thoughts?

THAT FUCK??  :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

Wow. It's like the Atheists and the Fundies are in a competition to out-stupid each other.

One of the few competitions you can win and still lose.
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: navkat on March 20, 2012, 04:06:36 AM
A quote from the article:

Quote"Its objective is to place Holy Angels at all roads that lead into or out of Polk County," the blog post said. "A strip of anointed oil has been placed over all lanes of highway at the county line and a prayer has been given at each location asking God to have angels inspect every vehicle that travels into or out of this county and to bring under conviction to those who seek evil and we asked God to bring them to a state of submission and repentance."

The post added, "If they will not submit to God's way of living, then the prayer is to have them incarcerated or removed from the county."

If that's a county/state-sanctioned event then yeah, I understand why the atheists did it. That sentiment would annoy the shit out of me too. Who the fuck do they think they are? It sounds like an out-and-out attack on anyone who isn't Christian, in fact...a self-fulfilling prophecy that says "we've established christianity as the rule of law here and our county representatives are behind that. If you won't come to christ, it's only a matter of time before we find a reason for you to end up in jail. His will be done, Amen."

Man, fuck them. Humanists are being pretty damned funny about it and calling attention to some fucked up attitudes, IMO.
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on March 20, 2012, 04:21:57 AM
Quote from: Lenin McCarthy on March 19, 2012, 10:52:33 PM
Wat. Is this some kind of American phenomenon, people take their religion way too seriously even when they have none?

I once witnessed a ritual where people wore skirts and hairpieces made out of cooked spaghetti and used a Ouija board to contact the Flying Spaghetti Monster. They drank spaghetti sauce and vodka until they puked and spent the rest of the semester telling one and all how they'd been touched by the holy FSM's noodly appendage. Several tattoo-getting sprees and seances followed.
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 20, 2012, 05:23:24 AM
Quote from: navkat on March 20, 2012, 04:06:36 AM
A quote from the article:

Quote"Its objective is to place Holy Angels at all roads that lead into or out of Polk County," the blog post said. "A strip of anointed oil has been placed over all lanes of highway at the county line and a prayer has been given at each location asking God to have angels inspect every vehicle that travels into or out of this county and to bring under conviction to those who seek evil and we asked God to bring them to a state of submission and repentance."

The post added, "If they will not submit to God's way of living, then the prayer is to have them incarcerated or removed from the county."

If that's a county/state-sanctioned event then yeah, I understand why the atheists did it. That sentiment would annoy the shit out of me too. Who the fuck do they think they are? It sounds like an out-and-out attack on anyone who isn't Christian, in fact...a self-fulfilling prophecy that says "we've established christianity as the rule of law here and our county representatives are behind that. If you won't come to christ, it's only a matter of time before we find a reason for you to end up in jail. His will be done, Amen."

Man, fuck them. Humanists are being pretty damned funny about it and calling attention to some fucked up attitudes, IMO.

Unholy water is lame though. Dumping horseshit would have been more eloquent and LAIL.
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Bu🤠ns on March 20, 2012, 06:12:42 AM
I wonder if they have some history between each other.
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 20, 2012, 06:27:48 AM
Quote from: Bu☆ns on March 20, 2012, 06:12:42 AM
I wonder if they have some history between each other.

Polk County does have a hole-in-the-road ring to it, it's possible they've all known each other since grade school but I'm too lazy to google.
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: navkat on March 20, 2012, 06:41:37 AM
*Shrug* looks like they wanted to get attention and "undoing" the blessing is about the most peaceful way I can think of to make that statement, get attention but not be completely ridiculous about it. They basically said "We are not cool with a county-backed public declaration of Polk county as a "christians only" zone. You are declaring to visitors and current non-residents that if we don't come to jeebus, you hope we're incarcerated or made to leave and we're compelled to scrub that declaration off the road."

I'm kool with that. There's more to this story than simply "Atheists apply atheist juice to neutralize jesus-juice z0mfglolwtf!" They were making a statement and they chose a humorous, ironical way that forces people to think to do it. I'm 100% behind that.
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Cain on March 20, 2012, 12:35:40 PM
Or,

they chose a way which will reaffirm the idea that atheists = satanists among evangelical christians and it will invariably be used as ammo for why separation of church and state is wrong and all atheists need to be expelled from the US.

I'm going with the above scenario.
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on March 20, 2012, 12:58:24 PM
The fact that, in the year 2012, there are still a significant number of people arguing about whether church and state should be kept separate leads me to believe that the human race is so far beyond fucked that the only possible reason we still exist must be divine intervention :eek:
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Cain on March 20, 2012, 01:05:07 PM
I've seen a semi-decent argument for it, but it might have just been John Gray being contrary and trolling atheists, as he is wont to do.
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Oysters Rockefeller on March 20, 2012, 01:17:12 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 20, 2012, 12:35:40 PM
Or,

they chose a way which will reaffirm the idea that atheists = satanists among evangelical christians and it will invariably be used as ammo for why separation of church and state is wrong and all atheists need to be expelled from the US.

I'm going with the above scenario.

Yeah, this.
HFA probably didn't change any minds or soften any hearts with that move. And honestly, I'm not sure they were even trying to. And that's the problem.
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Elder Iptuous on March 20, 2012, 02:57:45 PM
I agree with Navkat.
surely, it's all dumb, but i can see where they are coming from.  tfa says that they aren't really protesting the 'blessing' of the road, but just the drawing attention to the church/state connection, which seems completely justified, imo.
i would tend to doubt that this was done specifically to reinforce the connection between atheism and satanism, but they sure could have chosen a better term than 'unholy water'... (the alien thing was kind of dumb, too. i wonder if that was an off the cuff joke, immediately regretted)

a reasonable reason to protest, poorly executed.
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Reginald Ret on March 20, 2012, 10:47:50 PM
They should have gotten all different kinds of religious people to come put down their own wards making Polk county the metaphysically safest county on the face of the earth.
Kinda reminds me of a Babylon 5 episode, http://youtu.be/YXPaGCRngWw
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 21, 2012, 02:49:29 AM
Quote from: Iptuous on March 20, 2012, 02:57:45 PM
I agree with Navkat.
surely, it's all dumb, but i can see where they are coming from.  tfa says that they aren't really protesting the 'blessing' of the road, but just the drawing attention to the church/state connection, which seems completely justified, imo.
i would tend to doubt that this was done specifically to reinforce the connection between atheism and satanism, but they sure could have chosen a better term than 'unholy water'... (the alien thing was kind of dumb, too. i wonder if that was an off the cuff joke, immediately regretted)

a reasonable reason to protest, poorly executed.

That's one way to say it.

"A BUNCH OF DUMBFUCKS" is another.  There is no church & state issue, here.
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Elder Iptuous on March 21, 2012, 03:28:40 AM
they said they are protesting a billboard that was put up near the 'consecrated road' that is from the Christian Churches of Polk County and Polk Under Prayer that features the portraits of the Mayor, School Superintendent, and Sheriff.  Now, that's not a serious violation of the state sanctioning a particular religion, but there is an implication there that i think should have been shied away from.
so, it's a trifle.
but then.... so is the protest.
"they holy watered the road, so we're gonna UNholy water the road!... wanna take a picture?"
no big deal. maybe a bit sophomoric, but i don't see why it should garner scorn.

Perhaps you are thinking that the new breed of atheists has a tendency to be zealous, abrasive, and pompous?
i'd agree, for the most part.
i don't see that here. (in tfa, at least)
i see humor (albeit weak) being used to make a small point.
so why the ire?
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 21, 2012, 03:34:22 AM
Quote from: Iptuous on March 21, 2012, 03:28:40 AM
they said they are protesting a billboard that was put up near the 'consecrated road' that is from the Christian Churches of Polk County and Polk Under Prayer that features the portraits of the Mayor, School Superintendent, and Sheriff.  Now, that's not a serious violation of the state sanctioning a particular religion, but there is an implication there that i think should have been shied away from.

Why?  The amendment says that congress will recognize no particular religion, and that nobody shall be prevented from worshipping or expressing worship.

That second bit includes public figures.  What they CAN'T do is make religion a prerequisite for the job, as spelled out in article I.
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 21, 2012, 03:35:22 AM
Quote from: Iptuous on March 21, 2012, 03:28:40 AM

Perhaps you are thinking that the new breed of atheists has a tendency to be zealous, abrasive, and pompous?
i'd agree, for the most part.
i don't see that here. (in tfa, at least)
i see humor (albeit weak) being used to make a small point.
so why the ire?

What ire?  Against the atheist spags?

Because it was dumb, and it sort of gives every evangelical moron with an axe to grind THAT much more ammunition.
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Elder Iptuous on March 21, 2012, 03:51:11 AM
We are in agreement that nothing illegal was done by the officials of the town.
i don't think the atheists were making that claim either.
it just looks bad.  the way they describe the billboard in the article it says, "all the authorities in this town are Christian... get it?!"
in my opinion, this is something that should be avoided on grounds of decency (not based on legislation)

i guess i can see why giving evangelical morons more ammunition might be irritating.
i wasn't bothered by that because i know they have an infinite well of ignorance to pull forth ammo from, so it didn't upset me.
but i see your point.
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Oysters Rockefeller on March 21, 2012, 05:34:44 AM
I'd be interested in knowing if that billboard had pictures of other people on it, and how many if so.

For instance, if it's just the officials...that's pretty shady.

But if it's a whole congregation, and the journalist thought it'd be more interesting not to mention that part...well, that changes the context a little bit.

Either way I think the HFA handled it wrong. But the degree of my dissapointment in them could change significantly.
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Lord Cataplanga on March 21, 2012, 01:35:00 PM
Quote from: Oysters Rockefeller on March 20, 2012, 01:17:12 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 20, 2012, 12:35:40 PM
Or,

they chose a way which will reaffirm the idea that atheists = satanists among evangelical christians and it will invariably be used as ammo for why separation of church and state is wrong and all atheists need to be expelled from the US.

I'm going with the above scenario.

Yeah, this.
HFA probably didn't change any minds or soften any hearts with that move. And honestly, I'm not sure they were even trying to. And that's the problem.

This. They have been trying to polarize the religious attitudes in the US for years now.
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Elder Iptuous on March 21, 2012, 02:03:09 PM
ahh...
i'd never heard of the HFA any more than i'd heard of PUP.
do they have a long history of being douches?
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Lord Cataplanga on March 21, 2012, 02:32:27 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on March 21, 2012, 02:03:09 PM
ahh...
i'd never heard of the HFA any more than i'd heard of PUP.
do they have a long history of being douches?

I don't think it's specific to the HFA. The subset of atheists that are politically active and care a lot about religion (the kind of people who join the HFA) usually are not annoyed by evangelical morons acting like morons unless they are an inmediate threat.

They believe fundamentalists are a lost cause, and that forcing encouraging them to act like morons will make the moderate believers distance themselves from the nutcases. Hence, the polarization.

Of course, by acting like morons themselves, they are causing normal people like you to distance themselves from the New Atheists, but they know you will still be on their side on anything that really matters.
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Cain on March 21, 2012, 02:44:19 PM
If the New Atheists had done their philosophical homework, they'd be aware of a point Nietzsche made a long time ago, that what people find disagreeable is not necessarily a statement itself, but the tone with which it is said.

Given the New Atheist tone is almost always smug, condescending, arrogant, belittling etc...Which also opens the door to fundamentalists using their "reasonable voice" to make themselves look better.

Direct attacks on a person's identity just make them reaffirm that identity even more strongly.  Bringing down a socio-religious organisation that has existed, in one form or another, for nearly 2000 years is not going to be done with verbal bludgeoning and appeals to one's own intellectual and moral superiority.

It's an intelligent, subtle and long-term game, and thus one the New Atheists are completely unsuited to play at.
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Lord Cataplanga on March 21, 2012, 03:03:49 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 21, 2012, 02:44:19 PM
If the New Atheists had done their philosophical homework, they'd be aware of a point Nietzsche made a long time ago, that what people find disagreeable is not necessarily a statement itself, but the tone with which it is said.

Given the New Atheist tone is almost always smug, condescending, arrogant, belittling etc...Which also opens the door to fundamentalists using their "reasonable voice" to make themselves look better.

Direct attacks on a person's identity just make them reaffirm that identity even more strongly.  Bringing down a socio-religious organisation that has existed, in one form or another, for nearly 2000 years is not going to be done with verbal bludgeoning and appeals to one's own intellectual and moral superiority.

It's an intelligent, subtle and long-term game, and thus one the New Atheists are completely unsuited to play at.

That "tone" business is something that is debated a lot on atheist communities. Some believe that diluting their message by minding their tone is like cheating or something. That only truth should matter.

Even though they don't believe in absolute morality, it's important to them to always feel morally superior.
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Elder Iptuous on March 21, 2012, 03:06:27 PM
Quote from: Lord Cataplanga on March 21, 2012, 03:03:49 PM
Even though they don't believe in absolute morality, it's important to them to always feel morally superior.
:lol:
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 21, 2012, 03:16:41 PM
Quote from: Lord Cataplanga on March 21, 2012, 03:03:49 PM
That "tone" business is something that is debated a lot on atheist communities. Some believe that diluting their message by minding their tone is like cheating or something. That only truth should matter.

Martyrs are a wonderful thing.

Of course truth matters.  But whether or not something is true, it still has to be sold.
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Cain on March 21, 2012, 03:46:32 PM
Sounds like they're afraid of actually winning.

After all, whining about being an oppressed minority is much more fun than actually doing anything to change it.  If you think there is the chance of the latter being possible then, all of a sudden, you're responsible.  You can't blame Them.  The other people.  You know the ones.  They're so unreasonable.  It's all Their fault.  If they'd just See The Light, they'd Understand.  Not the atheists fault They're so bloody minded and resistant to change.
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Oysters Rockefeller on March 21, 2012, 03:53:00 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 21, 2012, 03:46:32 PM
Sounds like they're afraid of actually winning.

After all, whining about being an oppressed minority is much more fun than actually doing anything to change it.  If you think there is the chance of the latter being possible then, all of a sudden, you're responsible.  You can't blame Them.  The other people.  You know the ones.  They're so unreasonable.  It's all Their fault.  If they'd just See The Light, they'd Understand.  Not the atheists fault They're so bloody minded and resistant to change.

Well that's the beauty of whining about being an oppressed minority. You don't actually have to be one to do it. If you have the largest group, you can compare your numbers to the other group's numbers in a one-on-one basis (Us vs Group A, then Us vs Group B, etc.), but if you want to be a minority just compare everyones numbers to yours (Us vs Group A and Group B). Being held down by The Man never got so easy!

But I do agree with you. If there is one thing people love its being able to say how they're being wronged and it's everybody else's fault.
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Cain on March 21, 2012, 03:55:58 PM
It's also worth noting most atheists are white, University educated and middle class folk.

This may be their only chance to be an oppressed minority!  If they actually went around convincing people, they'd lose out of their chance to induldge in oh-woe-is-me antics.  They'd have to go back to being Almost Raped (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Almost%20Raped) or having Aspergers in order to get pity.
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Oysters Rockefeller on March 21, 2012, 03:59:41 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 21, 2012, 03:55:58 PM
It's also worth noting most atheists are white, University educated and middle class folk.

This may be their only chance to be an oppressed minority!  If they actually went around convincing people, they'd lose out of their chance to induldge in oh-woe-is-me antics.  They'd have to go back to being Almost Raped (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Almost%20Raped) or having Aspergers in order to get pity.
Hahahaha...yeah, basically.

If I had a dime for every time somebody I know claimed to have aspergers or something similarly ludicrous, I'd have enough dimes to stuff in a burlap sack and beat some sense into them.

(Get it? Sense? Oh, me...)
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Golden Applesauce on March 21, 2012, 10:11:05 PM
Quote from: Lord Cataplanga on March 21, 2012, 03:03:49 PM
That "tone" business is something that is debated a lot on atheist communities. Some believe that diluting their message by minding their tone is like cheating or something. That only truth should matter.

That's hilarious - because Christian groups have that exact same problem.  See, if someone has died hair and trip pants, they're almost certainly going to Hell, and you have a Moral Obligation to do you best to prevent that from happening.  But if you just walk up to a stranger and tell them that their died hair and trip pants are going to cause your God to torture them for eternity, they have a tendency to interpret that as a threat or a challenge, and become even harder to save in the future.  Which means that telling the truth and spreading the Word is indirectly damning immortal souls.

So, there's an awful lot of hard discussion happening about the best way of telling people that Jesus hates them without making Jesus seem like a hateful person.  The best part is that any compromise is directly compromising with Satan.
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: navkat on March 22, 2012, 10:50:24 PM
People actually claim they're AS when they're not? No fucking wonder I got so much shit. It makes me pretty pissed off, actually, to think that the "cool kids" are gaining sympathy by claiming to be the uncool kids. GO FUCK YOURSELVES.
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: LMNO on March 23, 2012, 01:33:16 PM
It's blame-shifting.  "It's not my fault I'm a socially retarded, self-centered asshole!  I have ASPARAGUS!"
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Oysters Rockefeller on March 23, 2012, 03:36:01 PM
Exactly. People are all "I have trouble in social situations, I must have aspergers!"

Nope, not even remotely the same thing. Way to be a dick.

Same kind of people who have a bad day and claim they're clinically depressed, or like things to be in order and claim to be obsessive compulsive.
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 23, 2012, 03:37:43 PM
Quote from: Oysters Rockefeller on March 23, 2012, 03:36:01 PM
Exactly. People are all "I have trouble in social situations, I must have aspergers!"

Nope, not even remotely the same thing. Way to be a dick.

Same kind of people who have a bad day and claim they're clinically depressed, or like things to be in order and claim to be obsessive compulsive.

I know an actual severe OCD woman.  She can't keep a job, because everything has to be PERFECT.  Good enough isn't enough, so she never actually gets things done.
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 23, 2012, 03:52:44 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 23, 2012, 03:37:43 PM
Quote from: Oysters Rockefeller on March 23, 2012, 03:36:01 PM
Exactly. People are all "I have trouble in social situations, I must have aspergers!"

Nope, not even remotely the same thing. Way to be a dick.

Same kind of people who have a bad day and claim they're clinically depressed, or like things to be in order and claim to be obsessive compulsive.

I know an actual severe OCD woman.  She can't keep a job, because everything has to be PERFECT.  Good enough isn't enough, so she never actually gets things done.

People have weird ideas about what OCD is or is not, too. The default is to associate it with being a neat freak, but it can express itself in various ways, many of which are not at all neat. My former housemate has severe OCD and cannot throw anything away... it's horrifying. Or people can be like the woman you know, and are paralyzed by it.
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: LMNO on March 23, 2012, 03:58:05 PM
Some of it is ritualized behavior too, right?  Like, having to flip a lightswitch a certain number of times when turning it on, or an elaborate series of steps that must be performed to do simple tasks like opening a door.
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: AFK on March 23, 2012, 04:19:35 PM
It doesn't always manifest in behavior though.  My brother has OCD but it's all internal, thoughts.  He gets thoughts in his head and they just won't stop.  He's a lot better now that he has a treatment plan that has been in place for awhile.  But it was pretty bad at first and had him pretty much chained to his room for days on end. 
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 23, 2012, 04:37:43 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 23, 2012, 03:58:05 PM
Some of it is ritualized behavior too, right?  Like, having to flip a lightswitch a certain number of times when turning it on, or an elaborate series of steps that must be performed to do simple tasks like opening a door.

That's what makes it pathological, I think. A lot of people do irrational little things like saying "cut the butter" when they're walking with somebody and a signpost comes between them, but it doesn't get in the way of anything. I'm guessing it's a matter of degree and if people don't know where the line is, they'll label any neat freak OCD.
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Oysters Rockefeller on March 23, 2012, 04:56:06 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 23, 2012, 03:37:43 PM
Quote from: Oysters Rockefeller on March 23, 2012, 03:36:01 PM
Exactly. People are all "I have trouble in social situations, I must have aspergers!"

Nope, not even remotely the same thing. Way to be a dick.

Same kind of people who have a bad day and claim they're clinically depressed, or like things to be in order and claim to be obsessive compulsive.

I know an actual severe OCD woman.  She can't keep a job, because everything has to be PERFECT.  Good enough isn't enough, so she never actually gets things done.

That's what makes it sick. People make a little joke out of it like "Oh, I just like even numbers, I must be OCD! teeheehee!"

New life mission: Find out what offends the individuals who say shit like that, and make it into a crass little joke whenever they pop out a phrase like that. Rinse and repeat, occasionally lose fist fights.
Title: Re: ATTN: Parents
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 23, 2012, 05:07:45 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 23, 2012, 03:58:05 PM
Some of it is ritualized behavior too, right?  Like, having to flip a lightswitch a certain number of times when turning it on, or an elaborate series of steps that must be performed to do simple tasks like opening a door.

It can manifest that way. To break it down, it is repetitive, uncontrollable behavior or thoughts, or a need for something to be a certain way in order to feel OK. It can be relatively mild and innocuous, such as needing to align objects on a table a certain way, or it can be consuming and destructive, like the need to do everything in a certain way and certain order before leaving in the morning, and if anything is not done exactly right, needing to start over. It can be a word or phrase that repeats nonstop in your head, or an obsessive worrying about a particular subject.

There is obsessive-compulsive disorder, and there is obsessive-compulsive personality disorder; although they sound similar, they are significantly different.