Maybe!
http://www.salon.com/2012/04/10/bush_aide_blasts_torture/
QuoteOne traumatic experienced often overlooked — overlooked because it appeared in Stephen Hayes's stenographic biography of Dick Cheney — was that the Vice-President's daughter was (falsely, it turns out) told that her house with her children in it had tested positive for anthrax. Similarly, Cheney and National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice were told that they and others had been exposed to an extremely lethal toxin in a particular area of the White House — and might soon die as a result. "The alarms did not stop and they too were not abstract ... The pressure on Bush and his senior advisers was so direct because so much of the response had to be invented and improvised," the article reads.
To be honest, this could explain a lot. Not justify it, but certainly at least.
Of course, they could have also taken away from it the importance of false alarms and the panic they generate, and to not put other people through that....but this reaction might explain the near personal vehemence Dick Cheney had about him, when talking about the one percent doctrine and similar. That kind of stress could lead to changes in patterns of behaviour and thought, making one far more risk adverse and hold highly negative opinions of those percieved responsible, ie; Islamist terrorist groups.
Hmmm, interesting.
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Quote from: Cain on April 14, 2012, 12:06:44 PM
Maybe!
http://www.salon.com/2012/04/10/bush_aide_blasts_torture/
QuoteOne traumatic experienced often overlooked — overlooked because it appeared in Stephen Hayes's stenographic biography of Dick Cheney — was that the Vice-President's daughter was (falsely, it turns out) told that her house with her children in it had tested positive for anthrax. Similarly, Cheney and National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice were told that they and others had been exposed to an extremely lethal toxin in a particular area of the White House — and might soon die as a result. "The alarms did not stop and they too were not abstract ... The pressure on Bush and his senior advisers was so direct because so much of the response had to be invented and improvised," the article reads.
To be honest, this could explain a lot. Not justify it, but certainly at least.
Of course, they could have also taken away from it the importance of false alarms and the panic they generate, and to not put other people through that....but this reaction might explain the near personal vehemence Dick Cheney had about him, when talking about the one percent doctrine and similar. That kind of stress could lead to changes in patterns of behaviour and thought, making one far more risk adverse and hold highly negative opinions of those percieved responsible, ie; Islamist terrorist groups.
Who was telling them that?
Scientists! :argh!:
I would have assumed Secret Service. Maybe Secret Service vetted scientists.
Now I'd like to know who told the Secret Service to do that. But knowing that would probably get me killed.
The detection methods they are talking about are highly unreliable even now - 11 years ago and with a lot less funding, they were certainly more so. I'm more interested in how the Secret Service convinced themselves they'd been breached and that the detection systems were in fact working properly. I mean, sure, they're not meant to take risks, but that is the kinda thing you'd want to run at least a second test on.
You're saying there was probably no intent to feed Cheney and Rice misinformation, they just fucked up? :lulz:
Do you have any information to suggest they did? Or are we just pulling wild conjecture out of our arses in this thread?
The latter. My bad, but given the track record here in the US, it's easy to jump to conclusions.
CONJECTURE WARNING:
I just want to point out the following:
1. The US Navy (I don't have experience with the other branches) gets VERRY political the closer you get to the top of the food chain.
2. There is a general feeling among servicemembers that "The president doesn't know what the fuck is going on or how to run a country. He needs to let us do our fucking job. Cut through the bullshit red tape and let us take these fuckers out, once and for all."
3. This feeling seems multiplied vastly when you're hobnobbing with counter-terrorism and SpecOps guys. I "dated" a couple of SEALs and a bunch of BUD/s guys. There's a mentality there.
4. A SpecOps enlisted seems to outrank an Organized Chicken Shit (OCS officer) every time. This is why you get 2nd class Navy SEALs popping a full-grade LT in his whore mouf and getting off with a warning. The "uppers" reeeealy take what the Specs have to say seriously. I think maybe the other DoD branches (NSA, CIA) reeeealy like having them.
I would not put it past some "This shit's gotta end" bravo-head constructing a situation that's favorable for increased military levity and funding.
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Quote from: Cain on April 15, 2012, 11:03:02 PM
Do you have any information to suggest they did? Or are we just pulling wild conjecture out of our arses in this thread?
It does seem somewhat suspect if you feel safe leaping to the conclusion that the SS is wise enough to see that such a serious false positive could prove nearly as bad as a false negative (or hesitation on a positive)....
are they are foolish enough not to see that?
Still batting at zero when it comes to any actual hard evidence...all I'm seeing is conjecture, suspicion. Sorry, but my standards are higher than that, and so should yours be.
I'm sticking to the null hypothesis of 'somebody did something really stupid, and everybody reacted stupidly'
I'm certainly not saying it's just so. it is of course, conjecture. i'm just saying that it doesn't seem like wild conjecture to me...
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