http://theoatmeal.com/comics/tesla
it is NEVER TOO SOON to educate your children on the doucheyness of Edison, or the awesomeness of Tesla.
I think you have it backwards.
It's never too late, then.
X-post because learning IS fun!
Quote from: Disco Pickle on May 15, 2012, 05:24:17 PM
The self-satisfied hero worship struck me funny (he's clearly pro-tesla, but it's not clear just HOW anti-edison he is until the very end of the entire comic) and then I found this:
http://abstractengineer.blogspot.com/2012/05/this-tesla-love-fest-has-got-to-end.html
which pretty much sums up what I was thinking.
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on May 15, 2012, 04:35:08 PM
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/tesla
it is NEVER TOO SOON to educate your children on the doucheyness of Edison, or the awesomeness of Tesla.
Shouldn't you be using things like "facts" to educate your children? Because that comic is almost completely devoid of those.
then how has it passed the rigorous fact checking and peer review required to make it onto the intarnets, smart guy?!
It's NEVER OK to use hyperbole and exaggeration for comic effect, especially in the internet!
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on May 16, 2012, 02:28:30 AM
It's NEVER OK to use hyperbole and exaggeration for comic effect, especially in the internet!
YOU CALLED???
The infographic's intent is not comedic - it's standard "our geek tribe is better than your suits tribe" tripe.
It isn't actually funny, either, so the "comic effect" argument doesn't hold a lot of water. Given that the main character dies alone in a hotel room after speaking to imaginary laser-pidgeons, you could very well argue that it is actually a tragedy.
:sad:
now i feel bad for laughing...
Quote from: Golden Applesauce on May 16, 2012, 03:12:52 AM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on May 16, 2012, 02:28:30 AM
It's NEVER OK to use hyperbole and exaggeration for comic effect, especially in the internet!
YOU CALLED???
The infographic's intent is not comedic - it's standard "our geek tribe is better than your suits tribe" tripe.
It isn't actually funny, either, so the "comic effect" argument doesn't hold a lot of water. Given that the main character dies alone in a hotel room after speaking to imaginary laser-pidgeons, you could very well argue that it is actually a tragedy.
Um, it's the Oatmeal. It's a comic. I laughed.
Quote from: Elder Iptuous on May 16, 2012, 04:09:38 AM
:sad:
now i feel bad for laughing...
I never feel bad for laughing. When I laugh, others feel bad. Saves me having to.
And FTR - Comic was funny as fuck. Edison v's Tesla - you pick a side, you lose (and I laugh at you)
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on May 16, 2012, 10:20:07 AM
Quote from: Elder Iptuous on May 16, 2012, 04:09:38 AM
:sad:
now i feel bad for laughing...
I never feel bad for laughing. When I laugh, others feel bad. Saves me having to.
And FTR - Comic was funny as fuck. Edison v's Tesla - you pick a side, you lose (and I laugh at you)
I was being sarcastic.
i didn't think it was hilarious, but it was obviously done with humor.
i do feel a bit bad about being sarcastic though.
and i want some laser-pigeons.
:)
That was rubbish.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on May 16, 2012, 10:20:07 AM
Quote from: Elder Iptuous on May 16, 2012, 04:09:38 AM
:sad:
now i feel bad for laughing...
I never feel bad for laughing. When I laugh, others feel bad. Saves me having to.
And FTR - Comic was funny as fuck. Edison v's Tesla - you pick a side, you lose (and I laugh at you)
Edison vs Tesla is sort of like picking sides between pro-wrasslers. Just saying.
the womp of them in spandex is already in my mind's eye.
:lol:
Tesla wins hands down.
Did Thomas Edison have any kick-ass rock bands named after him?
Fuck no!
Tesla 1 - Edison 0
Quote from: Reverend What's-His-Name? on May 16, 2012, 05:17:20 PM
Tesla wins hands down.
Did Thomas Edison have any kick-ass rock bands named after him?
Fuck no!
Tesla 1 - Edison 0
You make an excellent point.
Also, Edison died rich, and Telsa died in a cheap motel, obsessively counting his pubic hair.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 16, 2012, 05:24:00 PM
Quote from: Reverend What's-His-Name? on May 16, 2012, 05:17:20 PM
Tesla wins hands down.
Did Thomas Edison have any kick-ass rock bands named after him?
Fuck no!
Tesla 1 - Edison 0
You make an excellent point.
Also, Edison died rich, and Telsa died in a cheap motel, obsessively counting his pubic hair.
wait...
is that a point for tesla, or edison?
Quote from: Elder Iptuous on May 16, 2012, 05:41:27 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 16, 2012, 05:24:00 PM
Quote from: Reverend What's-His-Name? on May 16, 2012, 05:17:20 PM
Tesla wins hands down.
Did Thomas Edison have any kick-ass rock bands named after him?
Fuck no!
Tesla 1 - Edison 0
You make an excellent point.
Also, Edison died rich, and Telsa died in a cheap motel, obsessively counting his pubic hair.
wait...
is that a point for tesla, or edison?
That's a point for Edison, and 50 points and a GOLD STAR for Tesla.
oh, what a relief.
i thought for a moment that i might have to alter my own behaviour.
Quote from: Reverend What's-His-Name? on May 16, 2012, 05:17:20 PM
Did Thomas Edison have any kick-ass rock bands named after him?
No, but neither did Tesla. :lulz:
FTR, I think Tesla was a brilliant scientist, but the characterization of Edison as "douchey" because he was a brilliant businessman is absurd. His way of doing things was responsible for some amazing technology being made available WAY faster than if people had just been left to their own devices to invent and market their ideas.
tl;dr version: people who actually think there are "sides" to take re: Edison and Tesla are idiots, and the ones who feel all smug over which long-dead scientist they choose to foist their dumbgeek hero-worship on are doubly idiots.
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on May 17, 2012, 02:19:25 AM
Quote from: Reverend What's-His-Name? on May 16, 2012, 05:17:20 PM
Did Thomas Edison have any kick-ass rock bands named after him?
No, but neither did Tesla. :lulz:
Pfft! Theres no accounting for taste, but I would submit that the Psychotic Supper album proves you wrong
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on May 17, 2012, 02:23:43 AM
FTR, I think Tesla was a brilliant scientist, but the characterization of Edison as "douchey" because he was a brilliant businessman is absurd. His way of doing things was responsible for some amazing technology being made available WAY faster than if people had just been left to their own devices to invent and market their ideas.
tl;dr version: people who actually think there are "sides" to take re: Edison and Tesla are idiots, and the ones who feel all smug over which long-dead scientist they choose to foist their dumbgeek hero-worship on are doubly idiots.
Edison did electrocute an elephant which was a bit of a douche move but the elephant was a multiple murderer so probably deserved it.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on May 17, 2012, 11:06:35 AM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on May 17, 2012, 02:23:43 AM
FTR, I think Tesla was a brilliant scientist, but the characterization of Edison as "douchey" because he was a brilliant businessman is absurd. His way of doing things was responsible for some amazing technology being made available WAY faster than if people had just been left to their own devices to invent and market their ideas.
tl;dr version: people who actually think there are "sides" to take re: Edison and Tesla are idiots, and the ones who feel all smug over which long-dead scientist they choose to foist their dumbgeek hero-worship on are doubly idiots.
Edison did electrocute an elephant which was a bit of a douche move but the elephant was a multiple murderer so probably deserved it.
The elephant killed one handler for putting smokes out on its hide, and the other for putting a lit cigarette in with a mouthful of its food.
Looked all that shit up when I was doing the Coney Island 5-parter.
That's no excuse for murder. There are laws, goddamnit! Due process. F'kin elephant was a vigilante pachyderm and we can't have that, that's why it was sentenced to appear in the next Edison advertisement.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on May 17, 2012, 02:26:47 PM
That's no excuse for murder. There are laws, goddamnit! Due process. F'kin elephant was a vigilante pachyderm and we can't have that, that's why it was sentenced to appear in the next Edison advertisement.
The elephant was only standing its ground.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 17, 2012, 02:29:30 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on May 17, 2012, 02:26:47 PM
That's no excuse for murder. There are laws, goddamnit! Due process. F'kin elephant was a vigilante pachyderm and we can't have that, that's why it was sentenced to appear in the next Edison advertisement.
The elephant was only standing its ground.
But the elephant was African-American.
Quote from: Cain on May 17, 2012, 02:34:16 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 17, 2012, 02:29:30 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on May 17, 2012, 02:26:47 PM
That's no excuse for murder. There are laws, goddamnit! Due process. F'kin elephant was a vigilante pachyderm and we can't have that, that's why it was sentenced to appear in the next Edison advertisement.
The elephant was only standing its ground.
But the elephant was African-American.
Point.
Edison was a hero. A True American Hero.
Here's something I've always wondered about the whole - Edison zaps dumbo - thing (but not wondered so hard I ever bothered googling it) It's impossible to electrocute yourself with DC?
Fucking electricity - how does it work? :eek:
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on May 17, 2012, 02:52:52 PM
Here's something I've always wondered about the whole - Edison zaps dumbo - thing (but not wondered so hard I ever bothered googling it) It's impossible to electrocute yourself with DC?
Fucking electricity - how does it work? :eek:
You can be burned to death with DC.
The "alternating" part of AC fucks with the electrical pulses in your heart. Gets it out of step.
Forgive me, but did Edison actually electrocute a dog?
Because it doesn't matter if he's the nicest fucking dude who invented all of the modern world, if he electrocuted a fucking dog, I'll start hero worshiping Tesla just as a fuck you to the other guy's memory.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 17, 2012, 02:54:40 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on May 17, 2012, 02:52:52 PM
Here's something I've always wondered about the whole - Edison zaps dumbo - thing (but not wondered so hard I ever bothered googling it) It's impossible to electrocute yourself with DC?
Fucking electricity - how does it work? :eek:
You can be burned to death with DC.
The "alternating" part of AC fucks with the electrical pulses in your heart. Gets it out of step.
Aha! I only just learned how the alternating thing works (for a given definition of learned) so this kind of makes sense to me now :)
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on May 17, 2012, 03:15:33 PM
Forgive me, but did Edison actually electrocute a dog?
Because it doesn't matter if he's the nicest fucking dude who invented all of the modern world, if he electrocuted a fucking dog, I'll start hero worshiping Tesla just as a fuck you to the other guy's memory.
So he can nuke as many elephants as he wants but as soon as he zaps one puppy and he's a monster?
I'll hero-worship Edison twice as hard if I discovered he electrocuted a dog. Damn yapping mongrels.
What about if he electrocuted a quiet dog?
I will hero worship him in ratio to the number of dogs he electrocuted, no matter how quiet or loud.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on May 17, 2012, 03:15:33 PM
Forgive me, but did Edison actually electrocute a dog?
Because it doesn't matter if he's the nicest fucking dude who invented all of the modern world, if he electrocuted a fucking dog, I'll start hero worshiping Tesla just as a fuck you to the other guy's memory.
I don't think anybody's nominating him as a great humanitarian, so what's your point?
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 17, 2012, 02:35:11 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 17, 2012, 02:34:16 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 17, 2012, 02:29:30 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on May 17, 2012, 02:26:47 PM
That's no excuse for murder. There are laws, goddamnit! Due process. F'kin elephant was a vigilante pachyderm and we can't have that, that's why it was sentenced to appear in the next Edison advertisement.
The elephant was only standing its ground.
But the elephant was African-American.
Point.
Edison was a hero. A True American Hero.
:potd:
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on May 17, 2012, 03:57:38 PM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on May 17, 2012, 03:15:33 PM
Forgive me, but did Edison actually electrocute a dog?
Because it doesn't matter if he's the nicest fucking dude who invented all of the modern world, if he electrocuted a fucking dog, I'll start hero worshiping Tesla just as a fuck you to the other guy's memory.
I don't think anybody's nominating him as a great humanitarian, so what's your point?
From everything I've read, Edison actually was kind of a huge fucking dick.
Either suck it up and go on liking him, or don't, but complaining about people thinking Tesla is awesome isn't going to change the fact that Edison was a giant fucking dick. OR the fact that he also introduced a ton of technological advancement (whether he invented it himself or just developed other people's ideas).
The fact that Edison was a fucking insufferable twat who treated people and animals like utter shit is a matter of history. So fucking what?
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on May 17, 2012, 04:55:40 PM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on May 17, 2012, 03:57:38 PM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on May 17, 2012, 03:15:33 PM
Forgive me, but did Edison actually electrocute a dog?
Because it doesn't matter if he's the nicest fucking dude who invented all of the modern world, if he electrocuted a fucking dog, I'll start hero worshiping Tesla just as a fuck you to the other guy's memory.
I don't think anybody's nominating him as a great humanitarian, so what's your point?
From everything I've read, Edison actually was kind of a huge fucking dick.
Either suck it up and go on liking him, or don't, but complaining about people thinking Tesla is awesome isn't going to change the fact that Edison was a giant fucking dick. OR the fact that he also introduced a ton of technological advancement (whether he invented it himself or just developed other people's ideas).
The fact that Edison was a fucking insufferable twat who treated people and animals like utter shit is a matter of history. So fucking what?
Edison was in fact a dick. There's no disputing that. He robbed his employees of both cash & credit, and he was an insufferable shitbag to everyone he knew. Most of his work was actually that of other people...But he knew how to get things done. He had the drive to push through inventions before their time. We owe him a debt. Doesn't mean we have to like him or venerate him.
Tesla was the original scatterbrained scientist, who would work on any idea that entered his head, regardless of actual application. He couldn't stay focused on one project for any length of time. He was more the initiator of genius, but without Edison he'd be just another crackpot.
Arguing that one is greater than the other is like saying that Lewis was better than Clark, or that Madison was more important than Jefferson.
I think we should really push a Lewis v. Clark debate meme...
believable and vitriolic.
Quote from: Elder Iptuous on May 17, 2012, 05:20:27 PM
I think we should really push a Lewis v. Clark debate meme...
believable and vitriolic.
There is no debate. Lewis did all the exploring. Clark was just his cook & catamite.
I have it on good authority that Edison liked pie, and Tesla preferred cake.
Also, Edison pronounced it "HIGH-MOBS", and it is rumoured that he once even put oil in the pasta water.
Quote from: Elder Iptuous on May 17, 2012, 05:20:27 PM
I think we should really push a Lewis v. Clark debate meme...
believable and vitriolic.
I heard that Lewis was a douche, and that the only reason they were able to retain navigators and porters at all is because Clark would give them extra money and food behind Lewis' back.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 17, 2012, 05:09:43 PM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on May 17, 2012, 04:55:40 PM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on May 17, 2012, 03:57:38 PM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on May 17, 2012, 03:15:33 PM
Forgive me, but did Edison actually electrocute a dog?
Because it doesn't matter if he's the nicest fucking dude who invented all of the modern world, if he electrocuted a fucking dog, I'll start hero worshiping Tesla just as a fuck you to the other guy's memory.
I don't think anybody's nominating him as a great humanitarian, so what's your point?
From everything I've read, Edison actually was kind of a huge fucking dick.
Either suck it up and go on liking him, or don't, but complaining about people thinking Tesla is awesome isn't going to change the fact that Edison was a giant fucking dick. OR the fact that he also introduced a ton of technological advancement (whether he invented it himself or just developed other people's ideas).
The fact that Edison was a fucking insufferable twat who treated people and animals like utter shit is a matter of history. So fucking what?
Edison was in fact a dick. There's no disputing that. He robbed his employees of both cash & credit, and he was an insufferable shitbag to everyone he knew. Most of his work was actually that of other people...But he knew how to get things done. He had the drive to push through inventions before their time. We owe him a debt. Doesn't mean we have to like him or venerate him.
Tesla was the original scatterbrained scientist, who would work on any idea that entered his head, regardless of actual application. He couldn't stay focused on one project for any length of time. He was more the initiator of genius, but without Edison he'd be just another crackpot.
Arguing that one is greater than the other is like saying that Lewis was better than Clark, or that Madison was more important than Jefferson.
Well, don't forget Westinghouse. I am pretty sure that without Edison, somebody else would still have hired Tesla and developed his ideas.
Why, Clark was the cartographer, without whom the expedition would have been pointless.
furthermore he managed the logistics, and led all the hunting expeditions.
Lewis on the other hand, was a Welshman.
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on May 17, 2012, 05:35:49 PM
Quote from: Elder Iptuous on May 17, 2012, 05:20:27 PM
I think we should really push a Lewis v. Clark debate meme...
believable and vitriolic.
I heard that Lewis was a douche, and that the only reason they were able to retain navigators and porters at all is because Clark would give them extra money and food behind Lewis' back.
Clark stomped on chipmunks whenever they stopped. It pissed off the porters.
Plus, his name was "Meriwether".
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on May 17, 2012, 05:44:35 PM
Plus, his name was "Meriwether".
SEE! He was a HOBBIT. Not a Welshman.
The difference, you ask? Hobbits don't wear shoes because their feet are too big. Welshman don't wear shoes because they have talons on the ends of their toes.
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on May 17, 2012, 04:55:40 PM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on May 17, 2012, 03:57:38 PM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on May 17, 2012, 03:15:33 PM
Forgive me, but did Edison actually electrocute a dog?
Because it doesn't matter if he's the nicest fucking dude who invented all of the modern world, if he electrocuted a fucking dog, I'll start hero worshiping Tesla just as a fuck you to the other guy's memory.
I don't think anybody's nominating him as a great humanitarian, so what's your point?
From everything I've read, Edison actually was kind of a huge fucking dick.
Either suck it up and go on liking him, or don't, but complaining about people thinking Tesla is awesome isn't going to change the fact that Edison was a giant fucking dick. OR the fact that he also introduced a ton of technological advancement (whether he invented it himself or just developed other people's ideas).
The fact that Edison was a fucking insufferable twat who treated people and animals like utter shit is a matter of history. So fucking what?
"So fucking what?" is kind of my point. And I missed the part where I was complaining about people thinking Tesla was awesome. Which would be really weird of me to do in the first place, since I think Tesla was awesome. I'm just pointing out the false dichotomy in people choosing "sides" when both men were brilliant in different ways and both men, ultimately, pushed humanity forward. Their personalities are so irrelevant that it's absurd that people keep bringing it up.
but, y'know, never mind what I've
actually said, you've been on a kick to put words in my mouth ever since I opined about the open bar thread and PD turning into facebook for weirdos, so don't let facts get in the way of your agenda.
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on May 17, 2012, 06:37:35 PM
but, y'know, never mind what I've actually said, you've been on a kick to put words in my mouth ever since I opined about the open bar thread and PD turning into facebook for weirdos, so don't let facts get in the way of your agenda.
We should probably all stop and take a breath, now.
Just saying.
Fuck that shit. I'm sick of being told that somehow I shouldn't have an opinion about what PD should or shouldn't be because it's wrong for me to have opinions about my website. And I'm also sick of keeping my mouth shut about shit like that for the sake of keeping the peace. Don't get me wrong, Nigel is my friend both here and IRL and some internet squabble doesn't change that, but it also doesn't mean I'm not gonna call bullshit when I see it.
Just like me, if you have and voice strong opinions, you kind of have to get used to people arguing with you about them.
The only way to avoid it is to SHUT UP.
Are you going to SHUT UP?
Good, because I'm not either.
Edison was a douche, and you appear to have a problem with a comic that points it out with exaggeratedly strong wording.
But he WAS a douche, and it IS a comic. I mean, srsly, wha?
Oh, then there's the whole thing about how closing Open Bar and your threat to do the same with any further instances of it is precisely the kind of censorship that this site rails against. But hey, this is GOOD censorship because Open Bar isn't quality content, so it's okay right?
You know right now, Tesla is spinning in his grave??
I mean, not because of this thread but they buried him near a magnetic field.
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on May 17, 2012, 06:37:35 PM
but, y'know, never mind what I've actually said, you've been on a kick to put words in my mouth ever since I opined about the open bar thread and PD turning into facebook for weirdos, so don't let facts get in the way of your agenda.
Somehow I didn't notice this part when I replied the first time, but I'd like to take this opportunity to say that no, actually I haven't. At all. And I don't know why you think I have, because A. I've hardly been around, B. you've hardly been around, C. I rarely pay attention to who I'm responding to unless it's someone I expressly wish to avoid, and D. that was forever ago, I barely remember it, and it's irrelevant to this conversation.
I think you are VASTLY underestimating how scatter-brained I am. I can't even remember to pick on my ENEMIES, (or for that matter, who they are exactly) unless they remind me, let alone hold a grudge against a friend for disagreeing with me about something unimportant. Christ, it's a fucking miracle that I remember to put on pants before I leave the house.
Quote from: Triple Zero on May 17, 2012, 11:26:41 PM
You know right now, Tesla is spinning in his grave??
I mean, not because of this thread but they buried him near a magnetic field.
You really have to watch the re-coil.
Also, I am further superficially basing my preference for Tesla on the fact that Cracked, the best internet site ever, has a hard-on for him and a hard-on for hating Edison.
http://www.cracked.com/article_16072_5-famous-inventors-who-stole-their-big-idea.html (http://www.cracked.com/article_16072_5-famous-inventors-who-stole-their-big-idea.html)
It's hard not to have a hard on for Tesla.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on May 17, 2012, 10:28:21 PM
Oh, then there's the whole thing about how closing Open Bar and your threat to do the same with any further instances of it is precisely the kind of censorship that this site rails against. But hey, this is GOOD censorship because Open Bar isn't quality content, so it's okay right?
:winner:
yeah,because pruning huge threads of a running inane conversation is censorship. Tell me, what awesomely interesting and magical thing are you afraid to post in Open Bar for fear of being shut down by the authorities?
Keep in mind, EoC, that I remind you of a schoolyard bully who gets molested, and then explain to me why I should give even the slightest hint of a fuck what you think.
Uhhh I'm fairly sure that remark was only about a visual similarity. Hair style, face, expression, I could see it too somewhat.
Possibly. But after being accused of censorship for something that 1) is not censorship at all and 2) I haven't actually done, I don't see why I should give him the benefit of the doubt. After all, we tyrannical censors aren't really known for behaving reasonably.
Alright, wrong word, doesn't detract from the fact that you've previously railed against intentionally steering the community and yet are doing that exact thing by threatening to continually close a thread you don't like.
Fuck Open Bar, really, but your personal feelings on the thread shouldn't be what causes it to be closed. Inane bullshit thought it may be, if you're going to close one thread you don't like why not just start closing all the threads you don't like?
And I'm sorry I said you were visually similar to somebody else. :sad:
Could you link me to all of these times when I supposedly threatened to close the thread? because I'm pretty sure that you're way the fuck off-base here.
For that matter, can you link me to all those times I railed against intentionally steering the community? Because I'm pretty sure that I've tried to do just that and been pretty open about it on several occasions.
Please note that there is a HUGE difference between "trying to steer the community" (something anybody can do) and "using admin powers and censorship to impose my will on the site".
Then maybe think really fucking carefully before the next time you start running your mouth about some shit like this when you don't even have your facts straight.
I mean, fuck, have you ever been to any other forums, ever? Go find me a forum that's this active and this full of contentious bastards where the admins take such a laissez-faire attitude towards the place.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not gonna stay mad at you or carry a grudge or anything like that. I'll still have beers with you anytime. But what you're saying ITT is some bullshit.
BTW, on a completely different on-topic matter,
I'm still not sure why people care so much about the Tesla vs Edison thing, but my hat's off to mr Oatmeal's brilliant trolling cause the whole fucking web seems to be talking about his comic:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2012/05/18/nikola-tesla-wasnt-god-and-thomas-edison-wasnt-the-devil/
:lulz: That's astonishing. People are tearing it apart and fact-checking it and criticizing its exaggerations and hyperbole as if it wasn't a comic. Have the lines between journalism and comedy blurred so far that we no longer distinguish between the two?
Perhaps next they will set their journalistic prowess on a critical analysis of this article: http://www.theonion.com/articles/pedro-martinez-credits-success-to-lucky-midget-sun,1944/
The comic itself is fallacious, unfunny, and pretty retarded, but to its credit it HAS started a dialogue that will hopefully stoke peoples' interest in some of the basic science that powers their daily lives.
I thought it was hilarious. And, having already read about Tesla quite a bit, I recognized the inaccurate (well, semi-accurate but wildly exaggerated) bits. :lol:
I honestly didn't see any humor in it. They went so far overboard on the invective that it barreled past "mildly amusing" and landed squarely on "I AM NECKBEARD, HEAR ME SCREECH!" And the tone was one of complete sincerity rather than intentional hyperbole.
It sounded less like what I would have expected from "Edison vs. Tesla" and more like "Churchill vs. Hitler", with Hitler as the misunderstood genius and Churchill as a total dick who only won because he was good at working with people, never mind how that inherently contradicts the part where he's a total dick.
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on May 20, 2012, 07:50:46 PM
I honestly didn't see any humor in it. They went so far overboard on the invective that it barreled past "mildly amusing" and landed squarely on "I AM NECKBEARD, HEAR ME SCREECH!" And the tone was one of complete sincerity rather than intentional hyperbole.
Humor is subjective, I guess. At first I was like "hey now, that's not quite accurate" and then it just got more and more ridiculously extremely inaccurate, until I was all "Oh, I get it, LOL".
Fair enough. If it IS satire, it's so well done that it's TOO well done. :lulz:
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on May 20, 2012, 08:23:04 PM
Fair enough. If it IS satire, it's so well done that it's TOO well done. :lulz:
I don't think it really qualifies as satire... it's just exaggeration for comedic purposes.
Needs moar Dolan.
I didn't see the humour until the arguing and fact-checking and bitching spilled all over the place including Forbes and HackerNews. Then it became a hilarious troll. Regardless of what Mr Oatmeal's views on the topic really are or not.
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on May 20, 2012, 06:12:05 PM
Don't get me wrong, I'm not gonna stay mad at you or carry a grudge or anything like that. I'll still have beers with you anytime. But what you're saying ITT is some bullshit.
Fuck that. If I see you I'M GOING TO FUCK YOUR FACE
UP.Remember how I said you kinda looked like that kid? Well everyone's going to be like yo ECH looks like that dude from those horror movies after EoC SLICED THE SHIT OUT OF HIM.
I'd buy you a beer and it'd be the worst goddamned beer anyone's ever drank. IT'LL PROBABLY BE FROM MAINE.
But yeah seriously I was having a very, very bad day when I wrote that post and I didn't mean it to come across quite so douchey.
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk316/Jerry_Frankster/TeelsonAndEbisencopy.jpg)
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on May 21, 2012, 03:12:34 AM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on May 20, 2012, 06:12:05 PM
Don't get me wrong, I'm not gonna stay mad at you or carry a grudge or anything like that. I'll still have beers with you anytime. But what you're saying ITT is some bullshit.
Fuck that. If I see you I'M GOING TO FUCK YOUR FACE UP.
Remember how I said you kinda looked like that kid? Well everyone's going to be like yo ECH looks like that dude from those horror movies after EoC SLICED THE SHIT OUT OF HIM.
I'd buy you a beer and it'd be the worst goddamned beer anyone's ever drank. IT'LL PROBABLY BE FROM MAINE.
But yeah seriously I was having a very, very bad day when I wrote that post and I didn't mean it to come across quite so douchey.
If you want to get ECH awful beer you should not get it from Maine. Most of our microbrews are actually pretty decent. Not saying they are the best or anything, but certainly ranking above "worst".
Also, they are certainly better than Edison who is a gigantic tool. ;)
I was fucking around. Allagash is from Maine, and they make what might be some of the best beers in the States.
I know, I was too, but always like to get in a good plug for Maine whenever I can. ;)
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on May 21, 2012, 04:12:59 PM
I was fucking around. Allagash is from Maine, and they make what might be some of the best beers in the States.
Allagash makes some AWESOME beers! Liberal Cup brewery in Hallowell is pretty dope too. Most of the rest of Maine's microbrews are, IMO, overrated. but I'm probably just spoiled these days by living in PDX.
And I'm glad we're on the same page, man. No worries and no hard feelings!
http://theoatmeal.com/blog/tesla_response
Going by this whiny response, I'm guessing it wasn't satire.
"I'M JUST AN ARTIST MISTER FORBES MAN, YOU CAN'T TAKE ME SERIOUSLY/WHY AREN'T YOU TAKING MY CARTOON ABOUT TESLA SERIOUSLY???"
I didn't think that people really got that big of a hardon for tesla ... until I saw the oatmeal's facebook page :horrormirth:
Quote from: Cain on May 21, 2012, 10:56:55 PM
http://theoatmeal.com/blog/tesla_response
Going by this whiny response, I'm guessing it wasn't satire.
"I'M JUST AN ARTIST MISTER FORBES MAN, YOU CAN'T TAKE ME SERIOUSLY/WHY AREN'T YOU TAKING MY CARTOON ABOUT TESLA SERIOUSLY???"
I thought the response was funny, too. :lulz: BTW, you people need to definition of the word "satire". Comedy by exaggeration is not the same thing as satire. There was nothing even vaguely "satirical" about that comic, and nobody claimed it was satire. It was HYPERBOLE. That is different from satire.
wonderful :lulz:
Quote from: Bu☆ns on May 21, 2012, 11:21:22 PM
I didn't think that people really got that big of a hardon for tesla ... until I saw the oatmeal's facebook page :horrormirth:
Since that movie the prestige it has exploded.
Fans don't have opinions they parrot their directors.
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on May 22, 2012, 12:22:02 AM
Quote from: Cain on May 21, 2012, 10:56:55 PM
http://theoatmeal.com/blog/tesla_response
Going by this whiny response, I'm guessing it wasn't satire.
"I'M JUST AN ARTIST MISTER FORBES MAN, YOU CAN'T TAKE ME SERIOUSLY/WHY AREN'T YOU TAKING MY CARTOON ABOUT TESLA SERIOUSLY???"
I thought the response was funny, too. :lulz: BTW, you people need to definition of the word "satire". Comedy by exaggeration is not the same thing as satire. There was nothing even vaguely "satirical" about that comic, and nobody claimed it was satire. It was HYPERBOLE. That is different from satire.
Oh, I know what satire is. I thought he might have been satirizing the whole "cult of tesla/Edison is electric Hitler" narrative, but apparently he was DEAD SERIOUS, as evidenced by his response full of obvious butthurt. Which is, of course, the funniest part of all. :lulz:
How can Edison be a great humanitarian if he electrocuted kittens? Kittens are human too!
I bet Jonas Salk tested his vaccine on animals. What a jerk.
I love the part where he says "NONONO you're just arguing semantics!"
No, dude, Forbes man argues what you SAID.
Also, is it full of immutable FACTS about the god that is Tesla
Or is it just a silly comic teehee?
I still can't tell. One thing for sure is this:
If communication of an idea is a goal then that particular comic isn't so much a blowjob for Tesla, or a funny exaggeration of commonly held conceptions regarding these men, it's simply a failure, a dud. Because if you have to explain it that much, and that poorly, then...well...you know, it's not a very good joke.
You just don't appreciate his GENIUS Alty. If's not his fault if you're too busy herping and derping to understand the finer, more subtle points of his thingy.
Quote from: Emo Howard on May 21, 2012, 07:20:14 AM
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk316/Jerry_Frankster/TeelsonAndEbisencopy.jpg)
Pretty sure this wins.
For a genius, Tesla was a bit of a
dumbass.
I friggin love Tesla. For his quirks and failures as much as his brilliance. He wasn't just a man of science, he was a man of SCIENCE. I just don't understand the need for being a fan of Tesla and being a fan of Edison to be mutually exclusive.
Well, he WAS batshit crazy and celibate.
But frankly, I still think that the people who are angrily debating a webcomic because it's full of exaggeration are... well, probably kind of autistic.
I am not a fan of Edison not because I admire Tesla but because I don't really admire people whose only skills are marketing. It's just not what I have a hardon for. Also because he was a huge dick. I mean, there are a lot of nicer people I could admire, like Sam Walton. Edison wasn't a scientist, so why should he be up there with Lise Meitner in my pantheon of admirable scientists? Maybe if I was an MBA I would admire the shit out of him.
The similarities between the Edison/Tesla rivalry and the Dolan comics is almost eerie.
My dad's a systems engineer, he builds awesome new things. My entire life has been spent watching him and the brilliant people he works with getting fucked over by people like Edison. Hating Edison isn't just about picking a side in a luchador match a hundred years ago, it's about what we as a culture choose to recognize as genius. Edison was a CEO, like the comic said. He was a successful CEO, even doing some things that would get him recognition in his time as being a nicer boss than some of the other assholes. But the fact remains that a lot of what he did was profit off of other people's genius without giving them proper recognition or reward. His approach to invention was "what can I sell?" and his concern was the bottom line. That's why he fought AC, that's why he was a patent troll. I look at him and I see dozens of CEOs, venture capitalists, and board members who have consistently taken great work away from people close to me and then kicked them to the curb. Yes, it's projection. I'm not gonna feel bad about it though, because both people involved have been dead for decades, and I don't think they care much how we use the memory of their conflict.
Also, you don't hear about Tesla in history class. It's another example of how you have to fit a certain mold to become a part of the lexicon of American Heroes. That, of course, isn't Edison's fault, it lies with those who write the history books.
Actually it's probably Tesla's fault for being born Belgian.
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on May 23, 2012, 09:44:49 AM
I am not a fan of Edison not because I admire Tesla but because I don't really admire people whose only skills are marketing. It's just not what I have a hardon for. Also because he was a huge dick. I mean, there are a lot of nicer people I could admire, like Sam Walton. Edison wasn't a scientist, so why should he be up there with Lise Meitner in my pantheon of admirable scientists? Maybe if I was an MBA I would admire the shit out of him.
So....fuck the guy who brought innumerable life-altering technologies to the market and contributed to a vast improvement in the base quality of life for billions of people, but a hearty "hell yeah" for the guy who invented Wal-mart? :lulz:
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on May 23, 2012, 03:51:29 PM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on May 23, 2012, 09:44:49 AM
I am not a fan of Edison not because I admire Tesla but because I don't really admire people whose only skills are marketing. It's just not what I have a hardon for. Also because he was a huge dick. I mean, there are a lot of nicer people I could admire, like Sam Walton. Edison wasn't a scientist, so why should he be up there with Lise Meitner in my pantheon of admirable scientists? Maybe if I was an MBA I would admire the shit out of him.
So....fuck the guy who brought innumerable life-altering technologies to the market and contributed to a vast improvement in the base quality of life for billions of people, but a hearty "hell yeah" for the guy who invented Wal-mart? :lulz:
Pretty much fuck the Industrial age and everything spawned since. Especially Tesla and Edison.
Faust,
Currently searching for a solution to a hardware/software bug for the 9th hour.
Comic is funny. History is boring and unfunny. Comic wins.
Arguing against comic, citing historical accuracy is retarded and herpderp. Even funnier than comic :lulz:
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on May 23, 2012, 03:51:29 PM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on May 23, 2012, 09:44:49 AM
I am not a fan of Edison not because I admire Tesla but because I don't really admire people whose only skills are marketing. It's just not what I have a hardon for. Also because he was a huge dick. I mean, there are a lot of nicer people I could admire, like Sam Walton. Edison wasn't a scientist, so why should he be up there with Lise Meitner in my pantheon of admirable scientists? Maybe if I was an MBA I would admire the shit out of him.
So....fuck the guy who brought innumerable life-altering technologies to the market and contributed to a vast improvement in the base quality of life for billions of people, but a hearty "hell yeah" for the guy who invented Wal-mart? :lulz:
In what way is "why should he be in my pantheon of great scientists?" the same as "fuck that guy"?
I think you're missing the point. I don't admire Edison as a scientist any more than I admire Sam Walton as a scientist, and by all accounts Walton was a nicer person.
I am baffled by your apparent insistence that geeks and scientists should for some admire Edison as a great scientist with a mind on par with Tesla, Meitner, Curie, Turing, Bohr, Planck, Newton, and Einstein, because he just... wasn't. As scientists go, I would say he's more of a "Sciencey-type figurehead for laymen". He was a great product developer, though.
A lot of geek-types are fascinated by Tesla because he is one of the most underrated inventors in history... yes, a lot of people are geeking out on him now, especially on the internet, but just twenty years ago he was, like Meitner, one of the great unsung heroes of science and technology. It's kind of nice for him to finally get some of the credit he deserves for the work he did, even if it does him no good now.
A lot of geeks admire Steve Jobs, who doesn't seem all that different to Edison.
Maybe if there was an iEdison, this would help matters?
Quote from: Cain on May 23, 2012, 04:28:40 PM
A lot of geeks admire Steve Jobs, who doesn't seem all that different to Edison.
Maybe if there was an iEdison, this would help matters?
I'm sure a lot of computer geeks admire Jobs, but I've also heard a lot of the same criticism of him. Likewise with Bill Gates.
However, that kind of has fuck-all to do with Tesla, Edison, or science.
Sure its relevant.
It's proof geeks easily succumb to stupid personality cults and hero worship which any ordinary person finds inane.
Note: the above sentence can be accurately repurposed to the subculture of your particular choice.
I always thought of Edison as an engineer rather than a scientist.
Classic anectdotal example: When coming up with a filament for his lightbulb, he didn't study the properties of various materials, making predictions about what would work and why, and then testing them. He just tried every available material he had at hand, from platinum to bamboo (and as it turns out, bamboo worked pretty damn well).
Neither here nor there, I suppose. Anyway, just my $0.02.
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on May 23, 2012, 04:27:18 PM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on May 23, 2012, 03:51:29 PM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on May 23, 2012, 09:44:49 AM
I am not a fan of Edison not because I admire Tesla but because I don't really admire people whose only skills are marketing. It's just not what I have a hardon for. Also because he was a huge dick. I mean, there are a lot of nicer people I could admire, like Sam Walton. Edison wasn't a scientist, so why should he be up there with Lise Meitner in my pantheon of admirable scientists? Maybe if I was an MBA I would admire the shit out of him.
So....fuck the guy who brought innumerable life-altering technologies to the market and contributed to a vast improvement in the base quality of life for billions of people, but a hearty "hell yeah" for the guy who invented Wal-mart? :lulz:
In what way is "why should he be in my pantheon of great scientists?" the same as "fuck that guy"?
I think you're missing the point. I don't admire Edison as a scientist any more than I admire Sam Walton as a scientist, and by all accounts Walton was a nicer person.
I am baffled by your apparent insistence that geeks and scientists should for some admire Edison as a great scientist with a mind on par with Tesla, Meitner, Curie, Turing, Bohr, Planck, Newton, and Einstein, because he just... wasn't. As scientists go, I would say he's more of a "Sciencey-type figurehead for laymen". He was a great product developer, though.
A lot of geek-types are fascinated by Tesla because he is one of the most underrated inventors in history... yes, a lot of people are geeking out on him now, especially on the internet, but just twenty years ago he was, like Meitner, one of the great unsung heroes of science and technology. It's kind of nice for him to finally get some of the credit he deserves for the work he did, even if it does him no good now.
I'm baffled by you thinking that's what I'm insisting. I'm not insisting that any more than I'm trying to put Tesla down. But most of the people talking about this on the internet are obviously stuck in the "since I admire Tesla so much I obviously HAVE to hate Edison" trap, and that's almost as dumb as the whole "HURR DURR YOU GUYS ARE DUMB FOR ARGUING WITH A (COMPLETELY RETARDED) COMIC" thing.
Mad science is awesome. But so are mad engineering and mad marketing. And so is dialogue that might get people interested in any of it, even if the dialogue is the result of people arguing over a lame webcomic.
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on May 23, 2012, 04:31:31 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 23, 2012, 04:28:40 PM
A lot of geeks admire Steve Jobs, who doesn't seem all that different to Edison.
Maybe if there was an iEdison, this would help matters?
I'm sure a lot of computer geeks admire Jobs, but I've also heard a lot of the same criticism of him. Likewise with Bill Gates.
However, that kind of has fuck-all to do with Tesla, Edison, or science.
Jobs used slaves to make his "miracle" happen. Fuck him. Edison was a bit of a shit, but Jobs is in a different league altogether.
But again, comparing Tesla and Edison is like comparing apples to oranges.
Huh. I am not sure I understand the point of any of this conversation at all.
It still seems to come down to A. arguing about a comic, and B. lumping people into a group in order to feel superior. I think I'ma bow out.
For shits and giggles, another Cracked article on Tesla http://www.cracked.com/funny-284-nikola-tesla/ (http://www.cracked.com/funny-284-nikola-tesla/)
And while this is subjective:
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on May 23, 2012, 04:24:21 PM
Comic is funny.
THIS reveals yours as an opinion so provincial and backwards that's it's possibly funnier than anything else in this thread.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on May 23, 2012, 04:24:21 PMHistory is boring and unfunny.
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on May 24, 2012, 04:13:49 PM
And while this is subjective:
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on May 23, 2012, 04:24:21 PM
Comic is funny.
THIS reveals yours as an opinion so provincial and backwards that's it's possibly funnier than anything else in this thread.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on May 23, 2012, 04:24:21 PMHistory is boring and unfunny.
While I wouldn't have put it that way, history is full of some of the funniest shit in the world.
It's almost as hilarious as the future.
You wouldn't have put it that way because you're a more civilized and polite person than I am. :lulz:
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on May 24, 2012, 05:09:23 PM
You wouldn't have put it that way because you're a more civilized and polite person than I am. :lulz:
Fucking board ate my lengthy response. Fuck retyping it. Maybe fucking later.
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on May 24, 2012, 04:13:49 PM
THIS reveals yours as an opinion so provincial and backwards that's it's possibly funnier than anything else in this thread.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on May 23, 2012, 04:24:21 PMHistory is boring and unfunny.
Lemme guess, that's objective, right? :lulz:
I'm sure that to a certain type of person, history might actually BE boring and unfunny. I would definitely pity such a person.
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on May 25, 2012, 06:04:38 PM
I'm sure that to a certain type of person, history might actually BE boring and unfunny. I would definitely pity such a person.
I don't find it especially interesting or funny most of the time, honestly. Things like plagues and pollution are interesting, but most of the rest of it kind of bores me.
I am sure that to a certain type of person, the sociology of health is boring... I don't pity them, but I'm glad I'm not one. They're probably the sort that find history interesting.
Good thing we don't all like the same things, because, well, speaking of boring...
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on May 23, 2012, 04:34:54 PM
I always thought of Edison as an engineer rather than a scientist.
Neither here nor there, I suppose. Anyway, just my $0.02.
Edison did not believe in radio | E.C. Snyder did thus the split
E.C. came out West to live among the Nez Pierce {? to do Assaying
Not Chemistry: thus i was with E. in the 60's { Learned the Method
NoPE not to interested! HOWeveR ? do you believe in telepathic's 2:11 pdt
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on May 25, 2012, 09:23:35 PM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on May 25, 2012, 06:04:38 PM
I'm sure that to a certain type of person, history might actually BE boring and unfunny. I would definitely pity such a person.
I don't find it especially interesting or funny most of the time, honestly. Things like plagues and pollution are interesting, but most of the rest of it kind of bores me.
I am sure that to a certain type of person, the sociology of health is boring... I don't pity them, but I'm glad I'm not one. They're probably the sort that find history interesting.
Good thing we don't all like the same things, because, well, speaking of boring...
History is, essentially, everything that's ever happened up to this point. If everything that ever happened is boring and humorless, well...
I think history is amazing in its absurdity. You can pick some major reality altering event and often trace it back to some insignificant event. It is funny ha-ha and funny horrormirth and funny absurd and funny weird all together.
As for Tesla and Edison, they were both great men in their own right. Edison was a dick, Tesla was a nut and neither of them were nearly as cool as Emperor Norton.
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on May 25, 2012, 10:17:20 PM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on May 25, 2012, 09:23:35 PM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on May 25, 2012, 06:04:38 PM
I'm sure that to a certain type of person, history might actually BE boring and unfunny. I would definitely pity such a person.
I don't find it especially interesting or funny most of the time, honestly. Things like plagues and pollution are interesting, but most of the rest of it kind of bores me.
I am sure that to a certain type of person, the sociology of health is boring... I don't pity them, but I'm glad I'm not one. They're probably the sort that find history interesting.
Good thing we don't all like the same things, because, well, speaking of boring...
History is, essentially, everything that's ever happened up to this point. If everything that ever happened is boring and humorless, well...
A lot of it is pretty boring and humorless. A lot of it is horrible and tragic. Some of it is funny. Some people really get off on reading about historical events, and others don't.
I'm shocked to see how charged this thread has become.
i keep alternating in my opinion of the current matter.
if people weren't so resistant to opposing views we could conduct a more civilized conversation, and others might not be induced to making some of the comments that have been generated.
Quote from: Elder Iptuous on May 26, 2012, 02:36:57 AM
I'm shocked to see how charged this thread has become.
i keep alternating in my opinion of the current matter.
if people weren't so resistant to opposing views we could conduct a more civilized conversation, and others might not be induced to making some of the comments that have been generated.
KEEP THAT SHIT UP, AND I'LL KICK YOU IN THE JOULES.
Quote from: Elder Iptuous on May 26, 2012, 02:36:57 AM
I'm shocked to see how charged this thread has become.
i keep alternating in my opinion of the current matter.
if people weren't so resistant to opposing views we could conduct a more civilized conversation, and others might not be induced to making some of the comments that have been generated.
BEST POST OF THE YEAR!
Quote from: Elder Iptuous on May 26, 2012, 02:36:57 AM
I'm shocked to see how charged this thread has become.
i keep alternating in my opinion of the current matter.
if people weren't so resistant to opposing views we could conduct a more civilized conversation, and others might not be induced to making some of the comments that have been generated.
I just 1/Ω in my pance.
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on May 26, 2012, 01:03:32 AM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on May 25, 2012, 10:17:20 PM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on May 25, 2012, 09:23:35 PM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on May 25, 2012, 06:04:38 PM
I'm sure that to a certain type of person, history might actually BE boring and unfunny. I would definitely pity such a person.
I don't find it especially interesting or funny most of the time, honestly. Things like plagues and pollution are interesting, but most of the rest of it kind of bores me.
I am sure that to a certain type of person, the sociology of health is boring... I don't pity them, but I'm glad I'm not one. They're probably the sort that find history interesting.
Good thing we don't all like the same things, because, well, speaking of boring...
History is, essentially, everything that's ever happened up to this point. If everything that ever happened is boring and humorless, well...
A lot of it is pretty boring and humorless. A lot of it is horrible and tragic. Some of it is funny. Some people really get off on reading about historical events, and others don't.
That's the saddest thing I've ever seen posted on this site. That's really depressing.
Quote from: Faust on May 26, 2012, 10:05:14 AM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on May 26, 2012, 01:03:32 AM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on May 25, 2012, 10:17:20 PM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on May 25, 2012, 09:23:35 PM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on May 25, 2012, 06:04:38 PM
I'm sure that to a certain type of person, history might actually BE boring and unfunny. I would definitely pity such a person.
I don't find it especially interesting or funny most of the time, honestly. Things like plagues and pollution are interesting, but most of the rest of it kind of bores me.
I am sure that to a certain type of person, the sociology of health is boring... I don't pity them, but I'm glad I'm not one. They're probably the sort that find history interesting.
Good thing we don't all like the same things, because, well, speaking of boring...
History is, essentially, everything that's ever happened up to this point. If everything that ever happened is boring and humorless, well...
A lot of it is pretty boring and humorless. A lot of it is horrible and tragic. Some of it is funny. Some people really get off on reading about historical events, and others don't.
That's the saddest thing I've ever seen posted on this site. That's really depressing.
Your FACE is.
Quote from: Elder Iptuous on May 26, 2012, 02:36:57 AM
I'm shocked to see how charged this thread has become.
i keep alternating in my opinion of the current matter.
if people weren't so resistant to opposing views we could conduct a more civilized conversation, and others might not be induced to making some of the comments that have been generated.
Ohmygod, Ippy. That string of puns is positively revolting.
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on May 26, 2012, 03:50:24 PM
Quote from: Faust on May 26, 2012, 10:05:14 AM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on May 26, 2012, 01:03:32 AM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on May 25, 2012, 10:17:20 PM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on May 25, 2012, 09:23:35 PM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on May 25, 2012, 06:04:38 PM
I'm sure that to a certain type of person, history might actually BE boring and unfunny. I would definitely pity such a person.
I don't find it especially interesting or funny most of the time, honestly. Things like plagues and pollution are interesting, but most of the rest of it kind of bores me.
I am sure that to a certain type of person, the sociology of health is boring... I don't pity them, but I'm glad I'm not one. They're probably the sort that find history interesting.
Good thing we don't all like the same things, because, well, speaking of boring...
History is, essentially, everything that's ever happened up to this point. If everything that ever happened is boring and humorless, well...
A lot of it is pretty boring and humorless. A lot of it is horrible and tragic. Some of it is funny. Some people really get off on reading about historical events, and others don't.
That's the saddest thing I've ever seen posted on this site. That's really depressing.
Your FACE is.
I mean it, if more people took an interest in history and the world they are living in there would be far less abuses possible and apart from that history is inspirational.
Quote from: Faust on May 26, 2012, 05:02:39 PM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on May 26, 2012, 03:50:24 PM
Quote from: Faust on May 26, 2012, 10:05:14 AM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on May 26, 2012, 01:03:32 AM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on May 25, 2012, 10:17:20 PM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on May 25, 2012, 09:23:35 PM
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on May 25, 2012, 06:04:38 PM
I'm sure that to a certain type of person, history might actually BE boring and unfunny. I would definitely pity such a person.
I don't find it especially interesting or funny most of the time, honestly. Things like plagues and pollution are interesting, but most of the rest of it kind of bores me.
I am sure that to a certain type of person, the sociology of health is boring... I don't pity them, but I'm glad I'm not one. They're probably the sort that find history interesting.
Good thing we don't all like the same things, because, well, speaking of boring...
History is, essentially, everything that's ever happened up to this point. If everything that ever happened is boring and humorless, well...
A lot of it is pretty boring and humorless. A lot of it is horrible and tragic. Some of it is funny. Some people really get off on reading about historical events, and others don't.
That's the saddest thing I've ever seen posted on this site. That's really depressing.
Your FACE is.
I mean it, if more people took an interest in history and the world they are living in there would be far less abuses possible and apart from that history is inspirational.
If fewer people were impoverished and uneducated, there would be fewer abuses possible, and more people would have the time and resources to be inspired by history.
So, ya know. It's one of those things.
History is part of any subject people become educated on. There is no way to become educated about art or literature or science or politics without learning the history of your subject. That doesn't mean that there's some kind of vast tragedy in people not studying general history. I took world history twenty years ago, and I have no interest in taking more history-specific classes because that would take time and energy away from what I am focused on and need to spend my time learning. There is little enough time as it is.
Fortunately there are historians who really geek out on and enjoy learning history. Even those, you may have noticed, tend to focus, and know far more about a specific area than others.
The real tragedy, aside from kneejerk elitism, is that so many people are going without education.
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I'm sure that to a certain type of person, history might actually BE boring and unfunny. I would definitely pity such a person.
I don't find it especially interesting or funny most of the time, honestly. Things like plagues and pollution are interesting, but most of the rest of it kind of bores me.
I am sure that to a certain type of person, the sociology of health is boring... I don't pity them, but I'm glad I'm not one. They're probably the sort that find history interesting.
Good thing we don't all like the same things, because, well, speaking of boring...
History is, essentially, everything that's ever happened up to this point. If everything that ever happened is boring and humorless, well...
A lot of it is pretty boring and humorless. A lot of it is horrible and tragic. Some of it is funny. Some people really get off on reading about historical events, and others don't.
That's the saddest thing I've ever seen posted on this site. That's really depressing.
Your FACE is.
I mean it, if more people took an interest in history and the world they are living in there would be far less abuses possible and apart from that history is inspirational.
If fewer people were impoverished and uneducated, there would be fewer abuses possible, and more people would have the time and resources to be inspired by history.
So, ya know. It's one of those things.
No, those are symptoms, fix one improve the other.
But as you said
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on May 26, 2012, 05:41:24 PM
History is part of any subject people become educated on. There is no way to become educated about art or literature or science or politics without learning the history of your subject. That doesn't mean that there's some kind of vast tragedy in people not studying general history. I took world history twenty years ago, and I have no interest in taking more history-specific classes because that would take time and energy away from what I am focused on and need to spend my time learning. There is little enough time as it is.
Fortunately there are historians who really geek out on and enjoy learning history. Even those, you may have noticed, tend to focus, and know far more about a specific area than others.
The real tragedy, aside from kneejerk elitism, is that so many people are going without education.
Education is the key. And its inexcusable that there are any who go without it.
On specialisation though, those who specialise do so generally for profession. I'm not saying anyone needs to know every detail of every historical event in fact there are plenty of historical topics that wouldn't thrill me, but a broad general interest in occasionally dipping into it will leads to lots insight.
Nor is it elitism if you desire that characteristic from every single being there is especially as I do not claim to have any greater knowledge than anyone else.