"Hello I'm Neal Stephenson. I've been writing Science and Historical Fiction for 3 decades. Well screw that. I want to do a videogame. A videogame about something really cool and fun that I enjoy: Swordfighting ..."
Click the video!
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/260688528/clang
(I'm not saying you should donate or even have an idea whether the end result will be awesome, but you DO want to check that video :) )
( The top comment on the HN thread (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4088572) is too good not to share )
"I'm the greatest sword fighter in the world."
"And you wrote the software."
"Yeah. That, too," Hiro says.
―Neal Stephenson, Snow Crash
(relevant and quotes one of my favourite novels!)
Awesome. :lol:
Just saw this somewhere else.
It looks VERY interesting.
WANT.
So how exaclty does he plan on implementing the feedback required to react properly when in the bind and while winding? Considering it is supposed to be felt and not seen, I will not be holding my breath.
Also, LOL ARMA LOL!!!!!!
Also the one chapter I read from the Mongoliad set my teeth on edge.
A response in their FAQ]
QuoteHow are you going to handle sword on sword collisions with regards to feedback?
We've been thinking about this for years. It's not in the videos because to try to explain it here would get us hopelessly deep into the weeds. We think we have an approach that will work. It's hard to explain in detail without a very lengthy brain dump. It's not just One Big Awesome Solution. It's a number of separate techniques working together. Some of these are familiar (visual, auditory, and haptic feedback) and others center on some innovative UI schemes. If you allow the controller's position to get out of sync with what is shown on the screen, you get some feedback to that effect and you get UI cues on how to get back into sync.
In general,if you drill down deep enough on the actual sword techniques, the tree of possible outcomes gets pruned way down. It turns out that you rarely have to solve the fully general problem of one sword stopping another sword traveling at top speed at an arbitrary location in space. Which is a hard problem!
If you are "swinging for the fences" with a sword attack---which is to say, if you are assuming a long follow-through---then you're probably doing it wrong. You don't have to cut the other guy in half. You just have to hit him. In most of these arts, you're trained to pull the attack and stop with the sword between you and the adversary. If the attack succeeds, you're done. If it fails, you have stopped with your blade in a tactically sound defensive position instead of swinging all the way through and taking your sword completely out of the action.
For some reason it sounds like, "We have no idea but we want you to think we do."
Also
QuoteIn most of these arts, you're trained to pull the attack and stop with the sword between you and the adversary.
I know for a fact that he, or the people teaching him, are full of shit. No one where have I read an injunction to pull your blow. All the techniques that come from a bind, assume your opponent put his sword in the way. Either that or he is just fucking balls at explaining.
Pull the... ohforfucksake...
The Morazzo style specifically requires complete follow through because it places the blade in position for the next attack. If you are in Posta di Donna (the blade positioned over the shoulder) and cut a fendente (cutting from the opponents jaw through their hip), either you will cut through and kill, the opponent will block/bind or the opponent (if he's actually smart) will void/step back, bringing his weapon into a defensive position. The attacker will continue the movement, bringing the blade to the hip in the "Boars tooth" post (hilt near the hip, blade pointed forward and down, ready for a thrust forward if your opponent stepped back) or to the reverse Posta di Donna (ready for a cut from the reverse side if your opponent blocked).
Morazzo would probably hit you in the head with his pommel if you 'pulled' your attack. It breaks his entire longsword technique.
Fiore also requires a flow from position to position. In single rapier, both Fabris and Di Grassi require the same sort of follow through and flow from position to position.
Modern WMA groups require 'pulling' the shot if they're playing with steel for safety reasons... not because its part of the actual technique. I love Neal's writing, but that FAQ answer seems absurd.
I really think he's trying to sell the idea that you "must not swing it like a baseball-bat, you must redirect the follow-through to your next position/movement". But, y'know.. to non-sword-peeps. Golf and base-ball, etc require seriously exaggerated follow-though in order to drive the hips into the strike at the ball. Most modern gamers have more experience with this type of follow-through, which will make you suck at swordfighting. At the same time, pulling blows on purpose before the follow-through is "complete" is stupid, I agree.
Looks like they are planning on using the vibration function of the hydra controller to let you know that your sword is in contact with another sword.
Nice find.
I don't need a videogame to swordfight though, I can do it in real life, with my own swords, and when I fuck up, I learn something I can do better. Not that motion capture controllers STILL piss me off.
AS a geek in a suit of armor, I'd totally work for this dude though.
Last night I made the acquaintance of one of the goofy men in armor helping with that game.
EVERY SINGLE TIME I SEE THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD, I THINK ABOUT GAY PORN.
THAT IS ALL.
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on June 14, 2012, 01:04:54 AM
EVERY SINGLE TIME I SEE THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD, I THINK ABOUT GAY PORN.
THAT IS ALL.
DAMN IT NIGELS!!!!!!! :argh!:
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on June 14, 2012, 01:04:54 AM
EVERY SINGLE TIME I SEE THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD, I THINK ABOUT GAY PORN.
THAT IS ALL.
WELCOME TO MY UNIVERSE.
:lulz: damnit Nigel
Quote from: Guru Quixote on June 14, 2012, 01:03:10 AM
Last night I made the acquaintance of one of the goofy men in armor helping with that game.
If that leads anywhere.... 8) well you're a swordfighter who dabbles in video game engine as well... (I'd totally move north for a gig like this)
:lulz:
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on June 14, 2012, 01:04:54 AM
EVERY SINGLE TIME I SEE THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD, I THINK ABOUT GAY PORN.
THAT IS ALL.
And now, everytime I see men swordfight, I will think about gay porn.
This is going to make practice nights HIGHLY entertaining.
Damnit, Nigel, Richter is gonna kick my ass when he walks off the list and I'm grinning like a maniac...
Quote from: Luna on June 14, 2012, 12:31:36 PM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on June 14, 2012, 01:04:54 AM
EVERY SINGLE TIME I SEE THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD, I THINK ABOUT GAY PORN.
THAT IS ALL.
And now, everytime I see men swordfight, I will think about gay porn.
This is going to make practice nights HIGHLY entertaining.
Damnit, Nigel, Richter is gonna kick my ass when he walks off the list and I'm grinning like a maniac...
Hee hee hee! Now I'm thinking about Richter.... swordfighting.
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on June 14, 2012, 05:03:27 PM
Quote from: Luna on June 14, 2012, 12:31:36 PM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on June 14, 2012, 01:04:54 AM
EVERY SINGLE TIME I SEE THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD, I THINK ABOUT GAY PORN.
THAT IS ALL.
And now, everytime I see men swordfight, I will think about gay porn.
This is going to make practice nights HIGHLY entertaining.
Damnit, Nigel, Richter is gonna kick my ass when he walks off the list and I'm grinning like a maniac...
Hee hee hee! Now I'm thinking about Richter.... swordfighting.
You're welcome.
Now is probably a bad time to mention that I'm going swordfighting this weekend, isn't it?
Quote from: Luna on June 14, 2012, 07:37:36 PM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on June 14, 2012, 05:03:27 PM
Quote from: Luna on June 14, 2012, 12:31:36 PM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on June 14, 2012, 01:04:54 AM
EVERY SINGLE TIME I SEE THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD, I THINK ABOUT GAY PORN.
THAT IS ALL.
And now, everytime I see men swordfight, I will think about gay porn.
This is going to make practice nights HIGHLY entertaining.
Damnit, Nigel, Richter is gonna kick my ass when he walks off the list and I'm grinning like a maniac...
Hee hee hee! Now I'm thinking about Richter.... swordfighting.
You're welcome.
Now is probably a bad time to mention that I'm going swordfighting this weekend, isn't it?
:spittake:
Why, Luna!
:lulz:
...and as I read this, I am legit looking online for leather jeans.
Quote from: Richter, Baron von on June 14, 2012, 10:58:53 PM
:lulz:
...and as I read this, I am legit looking online for leather jeans.
(http://www.sabinabecker.com/media/fabulous-dude.jpg)
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on June 14, 2012, 08:22:06 PM
Quote from: Luna on June 14, 2012, 07:37:36 PM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on June 14, 2012, 05:03:27 PM
Quote from: Luna on June 14, 2012, 12:31:36 PM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on June 14, 2012, 01:04:54 AM
EVERY SINGLE TIME I SEE THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD, I THINK ABOUT GAY PORN.
THAT IS ALL.
And now, everytime I see men swordfight, I will think about gay porn.
This is going to make practice nights HIGHLY entertaining.
Damnit, Nigel, Richter is gonna kick my ass when he walks off the list and I'm grinning like a maniac...
Hee hee hee! Now I'm thinking about Richter.... swordfighting.
You're welcome.
Now is probably a bad time to mention that I'm going swordfighting this weekend, isn't it?
:spittake:
Why, Luna!
Is not my fault, is truth. :) You should see the guest list. :wink: