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It's fantasy.  Harry Potter in space.

There.  I said it.

NO IT'S NOT!!!!!
EVERYTIME YOU HAVE MIND POWERZ AND SPACE SHIPS IT HAS TO BE SCIENCE FICTION!!!!!! IT IS IN THE RULES!!! JUST LIKE PSIONICS IN DND IS SCIENCE FICTION AND NOT FANTASY!!!!!!


:lulz:

Coyote does not believe a single word of the crap he just spewed.

Don't care where it's filed.  I like it.   :p

Labels suck, anyway.  Example: Anita Blake novels filed under "Horror" rather then "Girlypron."

Quote from: Luna on June 14, 2012, 08:04:25 PM
Don't care where it's filed.  I like it.   :p

Labels suck, anyway.  Example: Anita Blake novels filed under "Horror" rather then "Girlypron."

Really? For some reason around here they get filed as "Science Fiction" :? or Fantasy.

Definitely science fantasy. 

How does the Millenium Falcon go?  You make the throttle go forward, and the ship goes moar faster!  Duh.

Compare to Star Trek:
How does the Enterprise go?  There's a warp drive, and dilithium crystals, and antimatter, and science jargon happens, and you push a sequence of buttons and then and only then does the ship go moar faster.

I've often heard that argument that the original Star Wars films were fantasy, but the new ones were not, thanks to "midichlorines" or whatever that retarded addition was called.

Speaking of which, does everyone here already know the redlettermedia reviews of the new trilogy?

If not, go hit YouTube, you're in for some three amusing yet disturbing hours.

Quote from: VERBL on June 14, 2012, 08:20:13 PM
I've often heard that argument that the original Star Wars films were fantasy, but the new ones were not, thanks to "midichlorines" or whatever that retarded addition was called.

Speaking of which, does everyone here already know the redlettermedia reviews of the new trilogy?

If not, go hit YouTube, you're in for some three amusing yet disturbing hours.

"PART TEN: I'M GONNA SLIT MY WRISTS!"


"...then you realize, 'Oh, I'm still alive.  I'm watching a movie.' " 

They have the videos more condensed on their website.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 14, 2012, 07:54:05 PM
It's fantasy.  Harry Potter in space.

There.  I said it.

I always had it categorized in the genre of "trite crap full of unlikeable actors".

Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on June 14, 2012, 08:56:27 PM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 14, 2012, 07:54:05 PM
It's fantasy.  Harry Potter in space.

There.  I said it.

I always had it categorized in the genre of "trite crap full of unlikeable actors".

What I said.

Frankly, Daniel Radcliffe and Emma Watson are WAY more likeable than Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher, not that it makes their crappy movies any better.

Well of course. It doesn't have nearly enough telepathic cats to be real SciFi.

 "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...."

Opening credits, check it out. This is the clue. Given that time and space is infinite and parallel universes and quantums and shit, Star Wars is neither Scifi nor Fantasy. Star Wars is a motherfucken documentary!  8)

ETA: Also, Given that time and space is infinite and parallel universes and quantums and shit, there is a galaxy somewhere, where Roger is R2D2 and that thought has kept me going through many a long dark night of the soul

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on June 14, 2012, 11:15:16 PM"A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...."

Opening credits, check it out. This is the clue. Given that time and space is infinite and parallel universes and quantums and shit, Star Wars is neither Scifi nor Fantasy. Star Wars is a motherfucken documentary!  8)

A History Channel documentary, even:

WAS THE DEATH STAR BUILT BY ANCIENT SPACE NAZIS?

DID YODASTRADAMUS CORRECTLY PREDICT THE RETURN OF THE JEDI?

QuoteETA: Also, Given that time and space is infinite and parallel universes and quantums and shit, there is a galaxy somewhere, where Roger is R2D2 and that thought has kept me going through many a long dark night of the soul

It's sad, really. Rog2D2 rants and rants but they bleeped out every word ...

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on June 14, 2012, 11:15:16 PM
ETA: Also, Given that time and space is infinite and parallel universes and quantums and shit, there is a galaxy somewhere, where Roger is R2D2 and that thought has kept me going through many a long dark night of the soul

That means that there is a galaxy somewhere, where Nigel is Darth Vader.  :fap:

Quote from: Waffles, The Iron on June 14, 2012, 11:54:53 PM

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on June 14, 2012, 11:15:16 PM
ETA: Also, Given that time and space is infinite and parallel universes and quantums and shit, there is a galaxy somewhere, where Roger is R2D2 and that thought has kept me going through many a long dark night of the soul

That means that there is a galaxy somewhere, where Nigel is Darth Vader.  :fap:

:eek:

Quote from: Triple Zero on June 14, 2012, 11:09:12 PM
Well of course. It doesn't have nearly enough telepathic cats to be real SciFi.

:crankey:

Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on June 14, 2012, 11:57:25 PM

Quote from: Waffles, The Iron on June 14, 2012, 11:54:53 PM

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on June 14, 2012, 11:15:16 PM
ETA: Also, Given that time and space is infinite and parallel universes and quantums and shit, there is a galaxy somewhere, where Roger is R2D2 and that thought has kept me going through many a long dark night of the soul

That means that there is a galaxy somewhere, where Nigel is Darth Vader.  :fap:

:eek:

I nominate Payne for Luke Skywalker.  or, would Cram fit into that role better?

I am, of course, an Ewok.

Cram is Admiral Ackbar.


Pterodactyl Handler is that fat dude who handles the Rancor.


LMNO is Lando, of course.


I'm Obi-Wan during that time between movies when he moonlighted as a comedian in Mos Eisley.

Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on June 14, 2012, 08:15:07 PM
Definitely science fantasy. 

How does the Millenium Falcon go?  You make the throttle go forward, and the ship goes moar faster!  Duh.

Compare to Star Trek:
How does the Enterprise go?  There's a warp drive, and dilithium crystals, and antimatter, and science jargon happens, and you push a sequence of buttons and then and only then does the ship go moar faster.

THIS.

And the original Star Wars was just Lucas using the Campbell "Hero's Journey" template and sticking SPACE and SPESHUL AFFECKS in it.

Can I be the annoying paranoid robot, Lieutenant Data? My favourite scene is where he says "Here I am, brain the size of a planet ..."

Quote from: Triple Zero on June 15, 2012, 02:15:54 AM
Can I be the annoying paranoid robot, Lieutenant Data? My favourite scene is where he says "Here I am, brain the size of a planet ..."

:argh!: :argh!: :argh!:

Quote from: Triple Zero on June 15, 2012, 02:15:54 AM
Can I be the annoying paranoid robot, Lieutenant Data? My favourite scene is where he says "Here I am, brain the size of a planet ..."

:lulz:

 :lulz:

Before he joined the Dalek side of the Force, of course.

Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on June 14, 2012, 08:56:27 PM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 14, 2012, 07:54:05 PM
It's fantasy.  Harry Potter in space.

There.  I said it.

I always had it categorized in the genre of "trite crap full of unlikeable actors".

Woah.

Steady.

I'ma gonna let you finish, but there's something really fucking important you need to consider before you continue.
Here's 1000 words or so
(http://www.beertripper.com/OffTopic/star_wars_images/Princess_Leia_Gold_Bikini_chained.jpg)

They may have been trite, unlikable actors, but my 14 year old self will defend Carrie fisher TO THE DEATH.

It does smack of "the kid gets super powered to make right", for his definition of right.  Much like the Matrix and Revenge of the nerds.

As long as we are picking roles i call Corran Horn.

Dibs on Aayla Secura.

Quote from: Triple Zero on June 15, 2012, 09:56:11 AM
Before he joined the Dalek side of the Force, of course.

The fact that this so enrages me reveals me for the nerd I am.

Quote from: Junkenstein on June 15, 2012, 01:44:37 PM

Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on June 14, 2012, 08:56:27 PM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 14, 2012, 07:54:05 PMIt's fantasy.  Harry Potter in space.

There.  I said it.

I always had it categorized in the genre of "trite crap full of unlikeable actors".

Woah.

Steady.

I'ma gonna let you finish, but there's something really fucking important you need to consider before you continue.
Here's 1000 words or so
(http://www.beertripper.com/OffTopic/star_wars_images/Princess_Leia_Gold_Bikini_chained.jpg)

They may have been trite, unlikable actors, but my 14 year old self will defend Carrie fisher TO THE DEATH.

But there's like, zillions of space-fantasy/scifi movies with scantily-clad ladies that are not as gut-wrenchingly boring.

For instance, ZARDOZ.

Hell, it's got straight out nudity (WHAT I THOUGHT ONLY HBO WAS ALLOWED TO DO THAT--Nope.) and a giant floating head that says THE PENIS IS EVIL, and, you know, Sean Connery in a ridiculous outfit.

So, apart from Chewbacca (which I admit, could potentially also have been Sean Connery in a ridiculous outfit), how can Star Wars even pretend to measure up to it?

Three Words.

(http://www.wtfeck.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/chewbacca-groping-princess-leia-600x474.jpg)

CARRIE. GODDAMN. FISHER.

TAKE YOUR "ZARDTIME" AND CRAM IT. CRAM IT SO LONG AND HARD YOU EVENTUALLY HAVE TO BLOW IT OUT YOUR OVERSIZED SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS ZARDOS MOTHERFUCKING ASS. YOU DON'T WANT TO BE CHEWBACCA IN THAT FUCKING PICTURE YOU WERE NEVER A 13 YEAR OLD BOY.

GODDAMN.


Fucking Zardos

OK we get it.

Carrie Fisher was TEH HAWTNESS in those days.

Star Wars is still crappy sci fi, though.

Yep, but it's pretty decent science fantasy.





WILD FREEKY OF SCIENCE! FLEES!

Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on June 16, 2012, 05:01:09 AM
Yep, but it's pretty decent science fantasy.





WILD FREEKY OF SCIENCE! FLEES!

:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

She's just too damn fast.

She does have a point, though. Star Wars was ok until it became a big old Jar Jar FRANCHISE.

Quote from: Junkenstein on June 16, 2012, 01:40:08 AMHARD YOU EVENTUALLY HAVE TO BLOW IT OUT YOUR OVERSIZED SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS ZARDOS MOTHERFUCKING ASS. YOU DON'T WANT TO BE CHEWBACCA IN THAT FUCKING PICTURE YOU WERE NEVER A 13 YEAR OLD BOY.

GODDAMN.


Fucking Zardos

You didn't even see the movie, did you. Otherwise you wouldn't be saying that.

And when I was a 13 year old boy ... actually I was 14 when they broadcast a bunch of the Star Wars movies on TV, and what I remember about it most, was me thinking after 15 minutes: "So ... I guess they found a really cheap way to do that blue sparky special effect to make it look like they're "fixing" a space ship and then someone figured they might as well base a movie around it :|"

And maybe I remember this wrong but wasn't Princess Leia wearing a really big puffy white spacesuit most of the time? I hardly even remember the "slave" scene (it was really short, right?) until I found out much later how it was a geek stereotype to drool over it (I think it was Yellow Laser Beam ...) Add to that the hairstyle that made her look 10 years older and then she was Luke's brother and :eek: ... no. Funny thing was, at the time there were enough other pretty women on TV without all the creepy baggage .. ? Even better, if it was any Dutch movie they usually actually took their clothes off at some point (ANY Dutch movie, no exception, you could wait for it). So you can have miss cinnamon-roll hair, we had Monique vd Ven and KEESSIE VAN FLODDER :lulz:


Moral of the story: Take your mentally retarded nephew with hypertrichosis out for a drive more often, and you might just attract some arrogant girl that used to date her own brother. And
:dream:

Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on June 16, 2012, 05:01:09 AMYep, but it's pretty decent science fantasy.

Nono doesn't work if you replace "fiction" with "fantasy" when the "science" bit is the problem, let's call it "space fairytale".

Hey, it's better than goddamn Battlestar Galactica, ffs.

Quote from: v3x on June 18, 2012, 06:15:51 PM
Hey, it's better than goddamn Battlestar Galactica, ffs.

You are kidding right?

NEED I REMIND YOU OF THE MOTHERFUCKING CYLONS

"what about the motherfucking Cylons, Trip?"

Well, it's "nothing really amazing" or anything, except, you know ...

THEY
SPEAK
MOTHER
FUCKING
VOCODER

for fuck's sake. Even the Dalek speak measly ringmod.

Quote from: Triple Zero on June 18, 2012, 06:23:27 PM

Quote from: v3x on June 18, 2012, 06:15:51 PM
Hey, it's better than goddamn Battlestar Galactica, ffs.

You are kidding right?

NEED I REMIND YOU OF THE MOTHERFUCKING CYLONS

"what about the motherfucking Cylons, Trip?"

Well, it's "nothing really amazing" or anything, except, you know ...

THEY
SPEAK
MOTHER
FUCKING
VOCODER

for fuck's sake. Even the Dalek speak measly ringmod.

Vocoderese is merely a cheap ploy to distract the viewer from the silver spray-painted rubbermade wastebins they use as helmets.

And let's not forget that every single one of those Cylons was but a cheap rip off of Darth Vader. And such an inadequate rip-off that entire armies of them failed to measure up to a single character.

And Darth Vader, by the way, has been scarcely mentioned in this thread so far. A thread about Star Wars, and it takes until page 3 for anyone to bring up Darth Vader in a serious way. This fact alone disqualifies all participants so far from having a worthwhile opinion on this topic. Darth Vader by himself makes the first 3 Star Wars movies superior to all other science fiction AND fantasy movies, books, comics, and porno knock-offs produced from 1970-1990 combined.

In fact they should have fired all the other actors, and done away with the expensive sets, and canned the shitty plot, and called the whole trilogy "Internal monologue of a cybernetic badass." It could have killed on Broadway and at the box office alike. Nothing but fucking Darth Vader up there on a bar stool, saying things like "I find your lack of faith disturbing," and crushing things with his mind powers against a blank, black backdrop.

Princess Leia, of course, could be the opening act.

If it was just Darth Vader, ONLY Darth Vader, then yes, I grant you, Darth Star Vader Wars would have been pretty fucking epic.

Just like the Avengers could have been pretty epic if only it had been 90 minutes of this:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7YVfP91nXqc/T6nalpbW6FI/AAAAAAAACME/vvzutXI_o8A/s1600/Hulk+Smash+Loki+Heyandhra.gif)


BTW, Dr Who's Cybermen also speak vocoder. Not as fucking epic-sounding vocoders as the Cylons (because DAMN those Cylon vocoders are so smooth they'd make Daft Punk cum harder better faster and stronger), but playing in Dr Who instead of Batman: Galactica more than makes up for that.

Mark Hamill said basically the same thing during his interview with Space Ghost back in 1997.

QuoteSpace Ghost: Whoa! Look who's here, young people! It's none other than Duke Fartknocker!

Moltar: Luke Skywalker!

Space Ghost: Luke Skytopper of the popular "Space War" science fiction mega-empire franchise.

Mark Hamill: Uh, I think it's much more along the lines of a fairy tale than it is straightforward science fiction.

Space Ghost: Whatever, professor. How's Chewwy?

Mark Hamill: Chewwy? Well, you know...

Space Ghost: (laughs) You and me both!

Mark Hamill: (stares back)

Space Ghost wins the thread!!

Quote from: Triple Zero on June 18, 2012, 06:10:18 PM

Quote from: Junkenstein on June 16, 2012, 01:40:08 AMHARD YOU EVENTUALLY HAVE TO BLOW IT OUT YOUR OVERSIZED SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS ZARDOS MOTHERFUCKING ASS. YOU DON'T WANT TO BE CHEWBACCA IN THAT FUCKING PICTURE YOU WERE NEVER A 13 YEAR OLD BOY.

GODDAMN.


Fucking Zardos

You didn't even see the movie, did you. Otherwise you wouldn't be saying that.

And when I was a 13 year old boy ... actually I was 14 when they broadcast a bunch of the Star Wars movies on TV, and what I remember about it most, was me thinking after 15 minutes: "So ... I guess they found a really cheap way to do that blue sparky special effect to make it look like they're "fixing" a space ship and then someone figured they might as well base a movie around it :|"

And maybe I remember this wrong but wasn't Princess Leia wearing a really big puffy white spacesuit most of the time? I hardly even remember the "slave" scene (it was really short, right?) until I found out much later how it was a geek stereotype to drool over it (I think it was Yellow Laser Beam ...) Add to that the hairstyle that made her look 10 years older and then she was Luke's brother and :eek: ... no. Funny thing was, at the time there were enough other pretty women on TV without all the creepy baggage .. ? Even better, if it was any Dutch movie they usually actually took their clothes off at some point (ANY Dutch movie, no exception, you could wait for it). So you can have miss cinnamon-roll hair, we had Monique vd Ven and KEESSIE VAN FLODDER :lulz:


Moral of the story: Take your mentally retarded nephew with hypertrichosis out for a drive more often, and you might just attract some arrogant girl that used to date her own brother. And
:dream:

Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on June 16, 2012, 05:01:09 AMYep, but it's pretty decent science fantasy.

Nono doesn't work if you replace "fiction" with "fantasy" when the "science" bit is the problem, let's call it "space fairytale".

Let's get one thing clear from the start. I don't need to see a movie to ignore all it's good points. No matter how convincing your description and emphatic singings of the many virtues of said movie the hype is already too much! By giving me any possible positive expectations you've utterly ruined any chance of me seeing it, any chance of me liking it, any chance of me liking myself and any chance for world peace. Good fucking going.

Yeah it had the sparkly blue light. That sparkly blue light was one of my closest childhood friends. You feel like a big tough man, shitting on sparkly blue light? Have you totally forgotten the wonders, the mysteries and the excitement that came with sparkly blue light?

Sparkly Blue light meant shit was getting fixed. So we could go places. Places far far away. Places Carrie had not yet seen. No other kind of light gets you there. It's ALWAYS sparkly and blue. By dismissing the importance of sparkly blue light, you dismiss the importance of sparkly lights in every sci-fi franchise everywhere, ever. You're probably the same kind of sick freak that thinks the star trek teleporters should just make a beep and then cut the scene. This is what you get when you grow up with no sense of style. I pity you and weep for the lightless lives of those who you inflict your presence upon.

Now, to the meat of the matter. Your refusal to conform to the accepted boundaries of good geek taste. I'm going to try and keep my patience here so think of any abuse as not about you, but about someone just like you.

So you're all cool and open in your eurotastic bubble. That's just great. What you missed out on is the sheer electric look that some women can have fully clothed. Seeing all those boobs at a young age spoiled you. You never got the opportunity to develop the skills to objectify a woman beneath 2 t-shirts, a jumper and a coat. In my youth a woman's figure was something you imagined and got closer to finding out how right you were with each eventual layer being removed. You lost the sense of wonder by being able to see famous boobs. We all know this inevitably leads to looking around for the newest celebrity nip-slip or cametoe. You sick, sick bastard. You look at your relatives with those eyes.

And "Her hair made her look older"? What the fuck man? Do you have something against older women? Do you have some sort of preference for younger women? I don't even know where to go with this but you obviously need to think about that carefully.

"Creepy Baggage" Bullshit. Your mother was killed by your father as a result of PTSD and stress from his new boss. This isn't creepy baggage, that's a depth of character you just don't find now. Call Han Solo a 2D pun, call threepio the homosexual slur of the day, you can't deny the depth of Princess Leia.

Looking at the wider picture for a moment, you also ignore how much the Slave Leia costume did for feminism worldwide. You want to live in a world where sci-fi cons don't have competitions for the best version of that costume? I don't. I've never been to one, but I'm reliably informed that they happen. That's good enough for me. That's FREEDOM. So on top of being a sexist, you're a freedom hating sexist.

I think that covers nearly everything, I'll leave you to consider the appropriate apology. Just to show I'm fair though:
(http://images.tvrage.com/people_galleries/48/143682/77164.jpg)
I was a lot more restrained after some searching for some relevant pictures. We may just be like two nerds, passing in the night but your love of J.T Kirk just never understood my Picard.

(http://henrikyvonne.blogbloc.com/uploads/carrie_fisher_img_04.jpg)


Ninja edit as I didn't realise quite how fucking huge that first pic was.

Quote from: Triple Zero on June 18, 2012, 06:10:18 PM

Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on June 16, 2012, 05:01:09 AMYep, but it's pretty decent science fantasy.

Nono doesn't work if you replace "fiction" with "fantasy" when the "science" bit is the problem, let's call it "space fairytale".

Space fairytale is a very apt description.  I had a creative writing class in high school, and during the fairy tale segment, we got to watch the Star Wars movies.

Quote from: Junkenstein on June 20, 2012, 12:14:29 AM

Quote from: Triple Zero on June 18, 2012, 06:10:18 PM

Quote from: Junkenstein on June 16, 2012, 01:40:08 AMHARD YOU EVENTUALLY HAVE TO BLOW IT OUT YOUR OVERSIZED SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS ZARDOS MOTHERFUCKING ASS. YOU DON'T WANT TO BE CHEWBACCA IN THAT FUCKING PICTURE YOU WERE NEVER A 13 YEAR OLD BOY.

GODDAMN.


Fucking Zardos

You didn't even see the movie, did you. Otherwise you wouldn't be saying that.

And when I was a 13 year old boy ... actually I was 14 when they broadcast a bunch of the Star Wars movies on TV, and what I remember about it most, was me thinking after 15 minutes: "So ... I guess they found a really cheap way to do that blue sparky special effect to make it look like they're "fixing" a space ship and then someone figured they might as well base a movie around it :|"

And maybe I remember this wrong but wasn't Princess Leia wearing a really big puffy white spacesuit most of the time? I hardly even remember the "slave" scene (it was really short, right?) until I found out much later how it was a geek stereotype to drool over it (I think it was Yellow Laser Beam ...) Add to that the hairstyle that made her look 10 years older and then she was Luke's brother and :eek: ... no. Funny thing was, at the time there were enough other pretty women on TV without all the creepy baggage .. ? Even better, if it was any Dutch movie they usually actually took their clothes off at some point (ANY Dutch movie, no exception, you could wait for it). So you can have miss cinnamon-roll hair, we had Monique vd Ven and KEESSIE VAN FLODDER :lulz:


Moral of the story: Take your mentally retarded nephew with hypertrichosis out for a drive more often, and you might just attract some arrogant girl that used to date her own brother. And
:dream:

Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on June 16, 2012, 05:01:09 AMYep, but it's pretty decent science fantasy.

Nono doesn't work if you replace "fiction" with "fantasy" when the "science" bit is the problem, let's call it "space fairytale".

Let's get one thing clear from the start. I don't need to see a movie to ignore all it's good points. No matter how convincing your description and emphatic singings of the many virtues of said movie the hype is already too much! By giving me any possible positive expectations you've utterly ruined any chance of me seeing it, any chance of me liking it, any chance of me liking myself and any chance for world peace. Good fucking going.

Yeah it had the sparkly blue light. That sparkly blue light was one of my closest childhood friends. You feel like a big tough man, shitting on sparkly blue light? Have you totally forgotten the wonders, the mysteries and the excitement that came with sparkly blue light?

Sparkly Blue light meant shit was getting fixed. So we could go places. Places far far away. Places Carrie had not yet seen. No other kind of light gets you there. It's ALWAYS sparkly and blue. By dismissing the importance of sparkly blue light, you dismiss the importance of sparkly lights in every sci-fi franchise everywhere, ever. You're probably the same kind of sick freak that thinks the star trek teleporters should just make a beep and then cut the scene. This is what you get when you grow up with no sense of style. I pity you and weep for the lightless lives of those who you inflict your presence upon.

Now, to the meat of the matter. Your refusal to conform to the accepted boundaries of good geek taste. I'm going to try and keep my patience here so think of any abuse as not about you, but about someone just like you.

So you're all cool and open in your eurotastic bubble. That's just great. What you missed out on is the sheer electric look that some women can have fully clothed. Seeing all those boobs at a young age spoiled you. You never got the opportunity to develop the skills to objectify a woman beneath 2 t-shirts, a jumper and a coat. In my youth a woman's figure was something you imagined and got closer to finding out how right you were with each eventual layer being removed. You lost the sense of wonder by being able to see famous boobs. We all know this inevitably leads to looking around for the newest celebrity nip-slip or cametoe. You sick, sick bastard. You look at your relatives with those eyes.

And "Her hair made her look older"? What the fuck man? Do you have something against older women? Do you have some sort of preference for younger women? I don't even know where to go with this but you obviously need to think about that carefully.

"Creepy Baggage" Bullshit. Your mother was killed by your father as a result of PTSD and stress from his new boss. This isn't creepy baggage, that's a depth of character you just don't find now. Call Han Solo a 2D pun, call threepio the homosexual slur of the day, you can't deny the depth of Princess Leia.

Looking at the wider picture for a moment, you also ignore how much the Slave Leia costume did for feminism worldwide. You want to live in a world where sci-fi cons don't have competitions for the best version of that costume? I don't. I've never been to one, but I'm reliably informed that they happen. That's good enough for me. That's FREEDOM. So on top of being a sexist, you're a freedom hating sexist.

I think that covers nearly everything, I'll leave you to consider the appropriate apology. Just to show I'm fair though:
(http://images.tvrage.com/people_galleries/48/143682/77164.jpg)
I was a lot more restrained after some searching for some relevant pictures. We may just be like two nerds, passing in the night but your love of J.T Kirk just never understood my Picard.

(http://henrikyvonne.blogbloc.com/uploads/carrie_fisher_img_04.jpg)


Ninja edit as I didn't realise quite how fucking huge that first pic was.

:mittens: you have beaten the thread and vanquished the evildoers!

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 14, 2012, 07:54:05 PM
It's fantasy.  Harry Potter in space.

There.  I said it.

David Brin has argued this for years.

"Are we being taught, gradually but inexorably, to turn away from the whole modernist agenda? The concept that science, society, citizenship and faith are things that go well together, contributing to the good of everybody? Or that there was once a good idea – to replace arbitrary leader-worship with democratic institutions that we can all hope to share? What about the notion that any of us regular people – not just mutant chosen ones-can be the hero, if we're ever called upon?"

Brin overstates his case a little bit*, at times, but he is essentially right.  "The Chosen One" selected via magical bloodlines is pretty much the fantasy ur-trope, and we have Anakin Skywalker who has magical blood and may have even been fathered by The Force itself.  Obviously, the whole thing being based on Joseph Campbell's work probably didn't help it any, given Campbell's work is based off so many myths and legends, their features are always going to more easily translate into Star Wars than traditional sci-fi where things like science and modernist/post-modernist themes may play a role.


*Case in point: Iain M Banks' Culture series.  The Culture is very democratic, decentralized, anarcho-mutualist perhaps and scientifically advanced, especially with its AIs.  Everything Brin could want.  Yet, at the same time, the Culture's intelligence arm, Special Circumstances is manipulative in the extreme, advocating covert strikes, interventions, using and directing religious and cultural themes to shape entire societies and use them as weapons in their strange and often incomprehensible power struggles.  It is often implied SC, rather than being an aberration of the Culture, arises directly because the Culture is so rich and powerful and, in a sense, decadent, that playing with the lives of others is the only way they can alleviate the boredom of life.  Is it sci-fi?  Definitely.  Does it pose a rather more skeptical view of Brin's beloved modernist project than he would perhaps like?  Again, yes.