Hello. I recall that there are a few people here who used to be into that stuff, and I'd like to know why you stopped, and how you explain the weird stuff that you have probably experienced when invoking and evoking spirits. By that I mean objects moving around, seeing spirits in crystal ball or formed out of incense smoke, voices, powerful emotions etc. I suppose you believe they were hallucinations? Well so do I, except perhaps the objects that move about (though I'm not ruling it out). But aren't they interesting and crazy enough to continue evoking anyway? I don't understand why you would stop hypnotizing yourself for such an emotional, phantasmagorical experience. I have also found it useful for quite dramatically re-wiring my brain, but there are plenty of other ways to do that anyway, and as for affecting outer reality, well I'm not sure that's possible, it's never worked for me, so I'm just going to leave the question here: Why, from the point of view of entertainment, did you stop evoking? Did you get bored? Were you never successful?
I gave up cos I got scared of it. This one time I turned my best friend into a grenade launcher and I realised I had no control over it and it would end up controlling me so I went and saw a priest and he exorcised me and my head spun around and green spew came out me and everything and then I was okay and everyone lived happily ever after except for my friend who was used to provide suppressing fire when they stormed Saddam's imperial palace.
The End
In other news this thread will totally top 150
It seems the question is; when you get pleasure out of something that you learn is make believe, why give it up? is that about it?
Strikes me the question is more about - even with totally obvious troll in a forum full of totally expert trolls, can you get them all screaming at each other, ten minutes after they've just finished screaming at each other over other totally obvious troll topic.
Pretty sure the answer is yes, BTW but I live in hope :kingmeh:
Yes, but I don't think make believe quite covers it. You cause hallucinations of the kind that can only otherwise be caused by large doses of very dangerous deliriants. Such as things flying off the altar, which you then pick up and put back. And hearing voices, and sensations. It's amazing.
I gave it up when I accidentally an Elephant in my pance.
My wife was not amused.
If that's with chemicals, well, there's pretty typical reasons to gove it up.
If it's WITHOUT chemicals and you're seeing shit flying around, I'm asimg you're doing something wrong to your body, and there's pretty simple reasons to give it up.
If I started seeing magic happen I would either
- believe in it and not give it up.
- freak the fuck out and try to work put what was going on and is my brain going to be ok?
Quote from: The Bad Reverend What's-His-Name! on June 21, 2012, 11:50:46 AM
I gave it up when I accidentally an Elephant in my pance.
My wife was not amused.
But how did the elephant in your pance?
Not as gently as I would have hoped.
On the off chance that its not a troll...
For awhile I was a regular practitioner of 'magic'. I had some very interesting experiments and experiences. I also found it useful for rewiring bits of my brain.
I didn't continue simply because doing the same thing, placing yourself in one specific mindset/model/belief system is (IMO) a bad idea. When I find a situation where I think magic would be useful, I still use it. I don't however, use it as a regular or daily practice.
So whats your guys posture on copyright infringement?
I think it shouldnt exist, because information is gods treasure to humanity, and nobody should be excluded from it, the publishers and developers are just being selfish. :fnord:
:troll:
My primary interest in Paganism is that it provides me with an afterlife model that I'm comfortable with. Aside from that I don't feel that I have a whole lot in common with other Pagans.
Last night was the Summer Solstice. I celebrated by stripping down to my boxers and putting on the air conditioning.
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on June 21, 2012, 12:00:04 PM
On the off chance that its not a troll...
For awhile I was a regular practitioner of 'magic'. I had some very interesting experiments and experiences. I also found it useful for rewiring bits of my brain.
I didn't continue simply because doing the same thing, placing yourself in one specific mindset/model/belief system is (IMO) a bad idea. When I find a situation where I think magic would be useful, I still use it. I don't however, use it as a regular or daily practice.
Okay but did you do anything reality-shattering, like summoning demons?
Quote from: Pinprop on June 21, 2012, 12:33:15 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on June 21, 2012, 12:00:04 PM
On the off chance that its not a troll...
For awhile I was a regular practitioner of 'magic'. I had some very interesting experiments and experiences. I also found it useful for rewiring bits of my brain.
I didn't continue simply because doing the same thing, placing yourself in one specific mindset/model/belief system is (IMO) a bad idea. When I find a situation where I think magic would be useful, I still use it. I don't however, use it as a regular or daily practice.
Okay but did you do anything reality-shattering, like summoning demons?
I had a few unscheduled reality excursions. I blame all the ghost chilis and the loose bathroom fixtures.
Quote from: Pinprop on June 21, 2012, 12:33:15 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on June 21, 2012, 12:00:04 PM
On the off chance that its not a troll...
For awhile I was a regular practitioner of 'magic'. I had some very interesting experiments and experiences. I also found it useful for rewiring bits of my brain.
I didn't continue simply because doing the same thing, placing yourself in one specific mindset/model/belief system is (IMO) a bad idea. When I find a situation where I think magic would be useful, I still use it. I don't however, use it as a regular or daily practice.
Okay but did you do anything reality-shattering, like summoning demons?
There was this one time I summoned Astaroth but he was offended by MY breath and decided to leave. It was too bad, because I really could use some hidden treasure for the strip club.
All I want to know is: Was it a Libertarian Objectivist altar?
Quote from: Pinprop on June 21, 2012, 12:33:15 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on June 21, 2012, 12:00:04 PM
On the off chance that its not a troll...
For awhile I was a regular practitioner of 'magic'. I had some very interesting experiments and experiences. I also found it useful for rewiring bits of my brain.
I didn't continue simply because doing the same thing, placing yourself in one specific mindset/model/belief system is (IMO) a bad idea. When I find a situation where I think magic would be useful, I still use it. I don't however, use it as a regular or daily practice.
Okay but did you do anything reality-shattering, like summoning demons?
I summoned a waiter once.
I was like "Waiter! Waiter"
And he was like, "Is everything ok"
And I was like "I just cast some magick on yo ass motherfucker!"
And he was like "Please leave."
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on June 21, 2012, 12:41:03 PM
All I want to know is: Was it a Libertarian Objectivist altar?
:lulz:
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Quote from: Pinprop on June 21, 2012, 12:33:15 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on June 21, 2012, 12:00:04 PM
On the off chance that its not a troll...
For awhile I was a regular practitioner of 'magic'. I had some very interesting experiments and experiences. I also found it useful for rewiring bits of my brain.
I didn't continue simply because doing the same thing, placing yourself in one specific mindset/model/belief system is (IMO) a bad idea. When I find a situation where I think magic would be useful, I still use it. I don't however, use it as a regular or daily practice.
Okay but did you do anything reality-shattering, like summoning demons?
I summoned a waiter once.
I was like "Waiter! Waiter"
And he was like, "Is everything ok"
And I was like "I just cast some magick on yo ass motherfucker!"
And he was like "Please leave."
:lulz:
I may have to do this in Salem.
Quote from: Twiddle Recall on June 21, 2012, 12:37:42 PM
Quote from: Pinprop on June 21, 2012, 12:33:15 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on June 21, 2012, 12:00:04 PM
On the off chance that its not a troll...
For awhile I was a regular practitioner of 'magic'. I had some very interesting experiments and experiences. I also found it useful for rewiring bits of my brain.
I didn't continue simply because doing the same thing, placing yourself in one specific mindset/model/belief system is (IMO) a bad idea. When I find a situation where I think magic would be useful, I still use it. I don't however, use it as a regular or daily practice.
Okay but did you do anything reality-shattering, like summoning demons?
There was this one time I summoned Astaroth but he was offended by MY breath and decided to leave. It was too bad, because I really could use some hidden treasure for the strip club.
Lucky bastard, all I ever got was nameless gibbering horrors from beyond the vasty deeps.
It's really hard to command something that doesn't have a name at all, let alone one that can be enunciated with the human mouth.
:argh!: :argh!: :argh!:
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on June 21, 2012, 12:41:03 PM
All I want to know is: Was it a Libertarian Objectivist altar?
This is clearly ridiculous; Objectivist Gods don't accept gifts on altars because they refuse to mooch off the products of the labor of their hardworking disciples.
They will however answer the occasional prayer, just to remind their followers to stop fucking whining and just be productive, and how DARE you ask me to help you out with that, do I look like the Welfare State?
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Quote from: Pinprop on June 21, 2012, 12:33:15 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on June 21, 2012, 12:00:04 PM
On the off chance that its not a troll...
For awhile I was a regular practitioner of 'magic'. I had some very interesting experiments and experiences. I also found it useful for rewiring bits of my brain.
I didn't continue simply because doing the same thing, placing yourself in one specific mindset/model/belief system is (IMO) a bad idea. When I find a situation where I think magic would be useful, I still use it. I don't however, use it as a regular or daily practice.
Okay but did you do anything reality-shattering, like summoning demons?
There was this one time I summoned Astaroth but he was offended by MY breath and decided to leave. It was too bad, because I really could use some hidden treasure for the strip club.
Lucky bastard, all I ever got was nameless gibbering horrors from beyond the vasty deeps.
It's really hard to command something that doesn't have a name at all, let alone one that can be enunciated with the human mouth.
:argh!: :argh!: :argh!:
No see, the problem is you're summoning alien things. What you want to do is summon things that can actually assist with human affairs like giving you the cure for dropsy and such.
Quote from: Twiddle Recall on June 21, 2012, 12:53:03 PM
Quote from: 00.dusk on June 21, 2012, 12:46:15 PM
Quote from: Twiddle Recall on June 21, 2012, 12:37:42 PM
Quote from: Pinprop on June 21, 2012, 12:33:15 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on June 21, 2012, 12:00:04 PM
On the off chance that its not a troll...
For awhile I was a regular practitioner of 'magic'. I had some very interesting experiments and experiences. I also found it useful for rewiring bits of my brain.
I didn't continue simply because doing the same thing, placing yourself in one specific mindset/model/belief system is (IMO) a bad idea. When I find a situation where I think magic would be useful, I still use it. I don't however, use it as a regular or daily practice.
Okay but did you do anything reality-shattering, like summoning demons?
There was this one time I summoned Astaroth but he was offended by MY breath and decided to leave. It was too bad, because I really could use some hidden treasure for the strip club.
Lucky bastard, all I ever got was nameless gibbering horrors from beyond the vasty deeps.
It's really hard to command something that doesn't have a name at all, let alone one that can be enunciated with the human mouth.
:argh!: :argh!: :argh!:
No see, the problem is you're summoning alien things. What you want to do is summon things that can actually assist with human affairs like giving you the cure for dropsy and such.
But what if the human affair I want assistance with is the hunt for alien life?
This is so complicated! Is there a user manual I can read? And maybe wipe my ass with the next time i accidentally summon something eldritch and rugose?
Quote from: 00.dusk on June 21, 2012, 12:56:08 PM
Quote from: Twiddle Recall on June 21, 2012, 12:53:03 PM
Quote from: 00.dusk on June 21, 2012, 12:46:15 PM
Quote from: Twiddle Recall on June 21, 2012, 12:37:42 PM
Quote from: Pinprop on June 21, 2012, 12:33:15 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on June 21, 2012, 12:00:04 PM
On the off chance that its not a troll...
For awhile I was a regular practitioner of 'magic'. I had some very interesting experiments and experiences. I also found it useful for rewiring bits of my brain.
I didn't continue simply because doing the same thing, placing yourself in one specific mindset/model/belief system is (IMO) a bad idea. When I find a situation where I think magic would be useful, I still use it. I don't however, use it as a regular or daily practice.
Okay but did you do anything reality-shattering, like summoning demons?
There was this one time I summoned Astaroth but he was offended by MY breath and decided to leave. It was too bad, because I really could use some hidden treasure for the strip club.
Lucky bastard, all I ever got was nameless gibbering horrors from beyond the vasty deeps.
It's really hard to command something that doesn't have a name at all, let alone one that can be enunciated with the human mouth.
:argh!: :argh!: :argh!:
No see, the problem is you're summoning alien things. What you want to do is summon things that can actually assist with human affairs like giving you the cure for dropsy and such.
But what if the human affair I want assistance with is the hunt for alien life?
This is so complicated! Is there a user manual I can read? And maybe wipe my ass with the next time i accidentally summon something eldritch and rugose?
No! You don't hunt alien life, it's far too gamey and silicon based. Hunt deer like a normal person. Here, throw a spear at this painting of a deer first though, it will ensure success in the hunt.
Quote from: Twiddle Recall on June 21, 2012, 12:58:51 PM
Quote from: 00.dusk on June 21, 2012, 12:56:08 PM
Quote from: Twiddle Recall on June 21, 2012, 12:53:03 PM
Quote from: 00.dusk on June 21, 2012, 12:46:15 PM
Quote from: Twiddle Recall on June 21, 2012, 12:37:42 PM
Quote from: Pinprop on June 21, 2012, 12:33:15 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on June 21, 2012, 12:00:04 PM
On the off chance that its not a troll...
For awhile I was a regular practitioner of 'magic'. I had some very interesting experiments and experiences. I also found it useful for rewiring bits of my brain.
I didn't continue simply because doing the same thing, placing yourself in one specific mindset/model/belief system is (IMO) a bad idea. When I find a situation where I think magic would be useful, I still use it. I don't however, use it as a regular or daily practice.
Okay but did you do anything reality-shattering, like summoning demons?
There was this one time I summoned Astaroth but he was offended by MY breath and decided to leave. It was too bad, because I really could use some hidden treasure for the strip club.
Lucky bastard, all I ever got was nameless gibbering horrors from beyond the vasty deeps.
It's really hard to command something that doesn't have a name at all, let alone one that can be enunciated with the human mouth.
:argh!: :argh!: :argh!:
No see, the problem is you're summoning alien things. What you want to do is summon things that can actually assist with human affairs like giving you the cure for dropsy and such.
But what if the human affair I want assistance with is the hunt for alien life?
This is so complicated! Is there a user manual I can read? And maybe wipe my ass with the next time i accidentally summon something eldritch and rugose?
No! You don't hunt alien life, it's far too gamey and silicon based. Hunt deer like a normal person. Here, throw a spear at this painting of a deer first though, it will ensure success in the hunt.
I
LIKE EATING VIDEOGAMES
:crankey:
Quote from: 00.dusk on June 21, 2012, 01:02:44 PM
Quote from: Twiddle Recall on June 21, 2012, 12:58:51 PM
Quote from: 00.dusk on June 21, 2012, 12:56:08 PM
Quote from: Twiddle Recall on June 21, 2012, 12:53:03 PM
Quote from: 00.dusk on June 21, 2012, 12:46:15 PM
Quote from: Twiddle Recall on June 21, 2012, 12:37:42 PM
Quote from: Pinprop on June 21, 2012, 12:33:15 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on June 21, 2012, 12:00:04 PM
On the off chance that its not a troll...
For awhile I was a regular practitioner of 'magic'. I had some very interesting experiments and experiences. I also found it useful for rewiring bits of my brain.
I didn't continue simply because doing the same thing, placing yourself in one specific mindset/model/belief system is (IMO) a bad idea. When I find a situation where I think magic would be useful, I still use it. I don't however, use it as a regular or daily practice.
Okay but did you do anything reality-shattering, like summoning demons?
There was this one time I summoned Astaroth but he was offended by MY breath and decided to leave. It was too bad, because I really could use some hidden treasure for the strip club.
Lucky bastard, all I ever got was nameless gibbering horrors from beyond the vasty deeps.
It's really hard to command something that doesn't have a name at all, let alone one that can be enunciated with the human mouth.
:argh!: :argh!: :argh!:
No see, the problem is you're summoning alien things. What you want to do is summon things that can actually assist with human affairs like giving you the cure for dropsy and such.
But what if the human affair I want assistance with is the hunt for alien life?
This is so complicated! Is there a user manual I can read? And maybe wipe my ass with the next time i accidentally summon something eldritch and rugose?
No! You don't hunt alien life, it's far too gamey and silicon based. Hunt deer like a normal person. Here, throw a spear at this painting of a deer first though, it will ensure success in the hunt.
I LIKE EATING VIDEOGAMES
:crankey:
I think this is the best we can do here. Dusk wins. End of thread.
Quote from: Placid Dingo on June 21, 2012, 12:41:28 PM
Quote from: Pinprop on June 21, 2012, 12:33:15 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on June 21, 2012, 12:00:04 PM
On the off chance that its not a troll...
For awhile I was a regular practitioner of 'magic'. I had some very interesting experiments and experiences. I also found it useful for rewiring bits of my brain.
I didn't continue simply because doing the same thing, placing yourself in one specific mindset/model/belief system is (IMO) a bad idea. When I find a situation where I think magic would be useful, I still use it. I don't however, use it as a regular or daily practice.
Okay but did you do anything reality-shattering, like summoning demons?
I summoned a waiter once.
I was like "Waiter! Waiter"
And he was like, "Is everything ok"
And I was like "I just cast some magick on yo ass motherfucker!"
And he was like "Please leave."
I think this makes you a level 5 Mage.
Quote from: Twiddle Recall on June 21, 2012, 12:42:47 PM
Quote from: Placid Dingo on June 21, 2012, 12:41:28 PM
Quote from: Pinprop on June 21, 2012, 12:33:15 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on June 21, 2012, 12:00:04 PM
On the off chance that its not a troll...
For awhile I was a regular practitioner of 'magic'. I had some very interesting experiments and experiences. I also found it useful for rewiring bits of my brain.
I didn't continue simply because doing the same thing, placing yourself in one specific mindset/model/belief system is (IMO) a bad idea. When I find a situation where I think magic would be useful, I still use it. I don't however, use it as a regular or daily practice.
Okay but did you do anything reality-shattering, like summoning demons?
I summoned a waiter once.
I was like "Waiter! Waiter"
And he was like, "Is everything ok"
And I was like "I just cast some magick on yo ass motherfucker!"
And he was like "Please leave."
:lulz:
I may have to do this in Salem.
Careful, you might end up with a burned steak.
Your pun is foiled sir. I prefer my beef thoroughly cooked. I dont want to get worms or anything.
OP, you seem to be making an assumption, that people who tried magic actually achieved something which could be considered tangible results.
I suspect there is a far larger pool of people who tried magic, found it didn't work, and so were not inclined to pursue it or religions that use it.
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on June 21, 2012, 12:14:25 PM
So whats your guys posture on copyright infringement?
Annnnnd Johnny wins the thread.
Quote from: Pinprop on June 21, 2012, 09:05:29 AM
Hello. I recall that there are a few people here who used to be into that stuff, and I'd like to know why you stopped,
You regged a year ago.
Nice try, no cigar.
Practicing magic is a good way to hone your deck. Epscially if you haven't been playing in a while.
I hear it totally burns through your disposable cash, though.
Quote from: Pinprop on June 21, 2012, 11:37:03 AM
Yes, but I don't think make believe quite covers it. You cause hallucinations of the kind that can only otherwise be caused by large doses of very dangerous deliriants. Such as things flying off the altar, which you then pick up and put back. And hearing voices, and sensations. It's amazing.
got diagnosed with psychosis, voices wouldn't bloody well shut up. Thought it unwise to continue.
Quote from: Twiddle Recall on June 21, 2012, 01:54:38 PM
Your pun is foiled sir. I prefer my beef thoroughly cooked. I dont want to get worms or anything.
:crankey:
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on June 21, 2012, 02:33:48 PM
Quote from: Twiddle Recall on June 21, 2012, 01:54:38 PM
Your pun is foiled sir. I prefer my beef thoroughly cooked. I dont want to get worms or anything.
:crankey:
Beat me to it.
:crankey: anyway
Quote from: Echo Chamber Music on June 21, 2012, 02:33:48 PM
Quote from: Twiddle Recall on June 21, 2012, 01:54:38 PM
Your pun is foiled sir. I prefer my beef thoroughly cooked. I dont want to get worms or anything.
:crankey:
Are you saying there's something wrong with that? next you'll be telling us not to put oil in the pasta water!
:lulz:
Actually I never used to do magic, but since the Great Recession started I've taken up doing Satanic rituals with live nude female human altars. Before it seemed like such a hassle, but these days it's easy. You wouldn't believe what white women will do for a mortgage payment.
NOW LISTEN UP YOU PUKE. THE REASON THEY ALL FUCKING STOPPED CASTING SPELLS AND SHITS LIKE WIZARDS IS BECAUSE IT IS A GRAMED SINE. THEY ARE FORBIDDEN FOR DABBLING IN THE DARK ARTS, THE PUCE ARTS AND THE PLAID ARTS, EXCEPT FOR THAT IRISH SPAG TWIDDLY WINKLES, BUT HE IS IRISH AND OBVIOUSLY AN OVER-FUCKING-SIZED LEPRECHAUN.
Quote from: Guru Quixote on June 21, 2012, 06:34:58 PM
NOW LISTEN UP YOU PUKE. THE REASON THEY ALL FUCKING STOPPED CASTING SPELLS AND SHITS LIKE WIZARDS IS BECAUSE IT IS A GRAMED SINE. THEY ARE FORBIDDEN FOR DABBLING IN THE DARK ARTS, THE PUCE ARTS AND THE PLAID ARTS, EXCEPT FOR THAT IRISH SPAG TWIDDLY WINKLES, BUT HE IS IRISH AND OBVIOUSLY AN OVER-FUCKING-SIZED LEPRECHAUN.
The Mauve Arts are still allowed, but that's only because nobody likes mauve.
Quote from: 00.dusk on June 21, 2012, 06:37:51 PM
Quote from: Guru Quixote on June 21, 2012, 06:34:58 PM
NOW LISTEN UP YOU PUKE. THE REASON THEY ALL FUCKING STOPPED CASTING SPELLS AND SHITS LIKE WIZARDS IS BECAUSE IT IS A GRAMED SINE. THEY ARE FORBIDDEN FOR DABBLING IN THE DARK ARTS, THE PUCE ARTS AND THE PLAID ARTS, EXCEPT FOR THAT IRISH SPAG TWIDDLY WINKLES, BUT HE IS IRISH AND OBVIOUSLY AN OVER-FUCKING-SIZED LEPRECHAUN.
The Mauve Arts are still allowed, but that's only because nobody likes mauve.
WE DO NOT ALLOW THAT KIND OF LANGUAGE HERE BOY. NOW WASH YOUR FUCKING MOUTH OUT WITH A RANCID FISH HOTDOG.
lol, mauve
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauve#Occultism
Quote"Oblique to the paths that give on to other dimensions, and beyond them, there lies a region which the author has named the Mauve Zone. Mystics, magicians, sorcerers, alchemists, artists of many kinds have - over the centuries - skirted it, stumbled upon it, and fled from it. Very few have penetrated beyond it and survived, or cared to leave any record of the experience. Those that did, have had to present their accounts as fiction or discover a new means of communication - via weird art, symbols, hieroglyphics, signs which fellow pilgrims alone might recognize. Access to the Mauve Zone has been facilitated in more recent times by the use of magical systems developed by occultists such as Austin Osman Spare and Aleister Crowley, both of whom established contact with inter-dimensional entities possessed of transhuman knowledge and power. Both systems involve the use of sexual magick to open hidden gates that have remained sealed for centuries."
Shit that is a "real" thing. FUCKING MAGICIANS HOW DO THEY WORK!!!
I've read most of Kenneth Grant's works.
It gets better. The Mauve Zone is home to Lovecraftian horrors. As in, actual Lovecraftian horrors, as described by Lovecraft. Because HP was subconsciously in contact with said Mauve Zone.
Quote from: Cain on June 21, 2012, 06:44:34 PM
lol, mauve
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauve#Occultism
Quote"Oblique to the paths that give on to other dimensions, and beyond them, there lies a region which the author has named the Mauve Zone. Mystics, magicians, sorcerers, alchemists, artists of many kinds have - over the centuries - skirted it, stumbled upon it, and fled from it. Very few have penetrated beyond it and survived, or cared to leave any record of the experience. Those that did, have had to present their accounts as fiction or discover a new means of communication - via weird art, symbols, hieroglyphics, signs which fellow pilgrims alone might recognize. Access to the Mauve Zone has been facilitated in more recent times by the use of magical systems developed by occultists such as Austin Osman Spare and Aleister Crowley, both of whom established contact with inter-dimensional entities possessed of transhuman knowledge and power. Both systems involve the use of sexual magick to open hidden gates that have remained sealed for centuries."
I'm not sure if this is worth a :horrormirth:. But I can't find a more suitable emoticon for "fuck you for telling me about how i accidentally stumbled upon something stupid people actually believe when I ws just trying to be funny."
Quote from: Cain on June 21, 2012, 06:50:19 PM
I've read most of Kenneth Grant's works.
It gets better. The Mauve Zone is home to Lovecraftian horrors. As in, actual Lovecraftian horrors, as described by Lovecraft. Because HP was subconsciously in contact with said Mauve Zone.
....Except now it all makes horrrible, horrible sense. I clearly have K Syndrome.
Quote from: 00.dusk on June 21, 2012, 06:53:16 PM
Quote from: Cain on June 21, 2012, 06:44:34 PM
lol, mauve
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauve#Occultism
Quote"Oblique to the paths that give on to other dimensions, and beyond them, there lies a region which the author has named the Mauve Zone. Mystics, magicians, sorcerers, alchemists, artists of many kinds have - over the centuries - skirted it, stumbled upon it, and fled from it. Very few have penetrated beyond it and survived, or cared to leave any record of the experience. Those that did, have had to present their accounts as fiction or discover a new means of communication - via weird art, symbols, hieroglyphics, signs which fellow pilgrims alone might recognize. Access to the Mauve Zone has been facilitated in more recent times by the use of magical systems developed by occultists such as Austin Osman Spare and Aleister Crowley, both of whom established contact with inter-dimensional entities possessed of transhuman knowledge and power. Both systems involve the use of sexual magick to open hidden gates that have remained sealed for centuries."
I'm not sure if this is worth a :horrormirth:. But I can't find a more suitable emoticon for "fuck you for telling me about how i accidentally stumbled upon something stupid people actually believe when I ws just trying to be funny."
Rule 34 holds true for retardedness just as it does to porn
:thanks:
Mangrove is probably the best person to ask about Kenneth Grant, however. I just read him for the lulz, whereas Mangrove actually knows a bit about 20th century occultism and so on.
Is it acceptable to consider lovecraftian occultists as worse than other occultists?
I never did magic. IF it was real I figured I better not mess with it because humans are stupid and I'm a human.
Re: paganism: I subject my beliefs to regular questioning and it didn't stand up to that any better than Catholicism did. So I dumped it.
Quote from: Twiddle Recall on June 21, 2012, 08:08:13 PM
Is it acceptable to consider lovecraftian occultists as worse than other occultists?
Believing in fantasy is believing in fantasy...
Then again, at least the normal occultists believe in benign or helpful entities. I never understood why you'd want to connect with entities that, at best, don't give a shit about humans and at worst would like to eat them/drive them insane/wipe them out.
I know a guy that actually worships Cthulhu... he also claims that he's a nihilist. Both are positions I could never understand.
It's like playing with sentient nuclear weapons!
Well theres that too. But it seems to me like the lovecraft thing takes a special type of personality.
Well, the cultists in Lovecraftian stories were insane, so it's really a case of fiction informing reality.
Quote from: Cain on June 21, 2012, 10:14:26 PM
Well, the cultists in Lovecraftian stories were insane, so it's really a case of fiction informing reality.
Very true. The number of people I've run into thaat think they have a copy of the 'real' necronomicon make me want to spew hate that would make Roger blush. :lulz:
Peter Levenda requires some kind of reward, for his services to the Rhode Island literary industry.
Point taken. I just think about all the people who comment on amazon about the simonomicon and the stuff that happened to them after they bought it. To be sure a good chunk is a bit of the troll but you know a good portion of them actually believe what theyre saying.
Well, Levenda is an occultist, so even though he clearly spent a lot of time hanging around the "Sumerian mythology" section of the New York Library, he quite likely borrowed forms and techniques common to other occult traditions.
And if you believe in that kind of thing anyway (or you're a chaos magickian) it's not too far to go from that to a very concrete belief in the power of the thing.
Levenda still claims he isn't Simon, incidentally, and that he is going to write a book about what happened one day. I'd like to see that happen, especially since he only touched on it, very obliquely, in The Manson Secret.
Havent heard of the manson secret...
Third book in his "Sinister Forces" trilogy, about the impact of the occult on American (para)political and cultural life.
Quote from: Cain on June 21, 2012, 10:22:18 PM
And if you believe in that kind of thing anyway (or you're a chaos magickian) it's not too far to go from that to a very concrete belief in the power of the thing.
True enough, though chaos magicians are as likely to invoke the DC Superheroes as Lovecraft's critters or Enki (no not THAT Enki).
If its a good read i may look into it.
I would pay to see a chaos magickan invoke that Enki.
This'll be better than the time that Number 6's friend claimed to be channelling the ghost of Henry Kissinger. Yes, the living one. Well, "living", at least.
Quote from: Twiddle Recall on June 21, 2012, 10:31:06 PM
If its a good read i may look into it.
It's definitely
interesting. It covers everything from the Manson murders to the Kennedy assassination to UFOs to the OTO to the Son of Sam to shamanism.
Quote from: Cain on June 21, 2012, 10:32:01 PM
I would pay to see a chaos magickan invoke that Enki.
This'll be better than the time that Number 6's friend claimed to be channelling the ghost of Henry Kissinger. Yes, the living one. Well, "living", at least.
Well, I suppose you could do a ritual invoking PD.com persona.
I mean... hrmmm... oh the things you could do...
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
This is the only place I know where a perfectlly good troll thread can instead turn into a goddamn discussion about something worthwhile.
:lulz:
I gave it up when I went to Mystic Pricks and saw what pagans actually ARE. *shudders*
:magick:
i made a sociological sigil of predictability but it dont seem to be working!
[/pinprop]
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on June 22, 2012, 04:14:49 AM
:magick:
i made a sociological sigil of predictability but it dont seem to be working!
[/pinprop]
Needs more charging. Put on RedTube.
Quote from: Twiddle Recall on June 22, 2012, 04:18:05 AM
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on June 22, 2012, 04:14:49 AM
:magick:
i made a sociological sigil of predictability but it dont seem to be working!
[/pinprop]
Needs more charging. Put on RedTube.
IMMA CHARGIN MAH SIGILZ!
/
:fap:
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on June 22, 2012, 04:21:11 AM
Quote from: Twiddle Recall on June 22, 2012, 04:18:05 AM
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on June 22, 2012, 04:14:49 AM
:magick:
i made a sociological sigil of predictability but it dont seem to be working!
[/pinprop]
Needs more charging. Put on RedTube.
IMMA CHARGIN MAH SIGILZ!
/
:fap:
What's the difference between a Wiccan and a Chaote?
One's a hippie fucker, the other's just a pretentious wanker.
See, im glad to be ignorant as to what is a "Chaote".
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on June 22, 2012, 05:15:34 AM
See, im glad to be ignorant as to what is a "Chaote".
Just another word for Chaos Magician.
It's meant to be a bit of a pun I suppose. That fucker practices the Great Rite with his Priestess. That wanker charges his sigils all alone. :shrug:
So you are saying all of this pertains to having a lot of free time and energy alongside a boner.
Interesting.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 21, 2012, 02:01:22 PM
Quote from: Pinprop on June 21, 2012, 09:05:29 AM
Hello. I recall that there are a few people here who used to be into that stuff, and I'd like to know why you stopped,
You regged a year ago.
Nice try, no cigar.
WHAY RU BEEN MEEN 2 TEH NUWBS, ROG AR!???
U AREEE RUUNIN TEH BAROD!!!!!
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on June 22, 2012, 06:04:15 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 21, 2012, 02:01:22 PM
Quote from: Pinprop on June 21, 2012, 09:05:29 AM
Hello. I recall that there are a few people here who used to be into that stuff, and I'd like to know why you stopped,
You regged a year ago.
Nice try, no cigar.
WHAY RU BEEN MEEN 2 TEH NUWBS, ROG AR!???
U AREEE RUUNIN TEH BAROD!!!!!
I can't help myself. I see them, I SEE them, Nigel, and I just HAVE TO DO IT! (spittle flying)
I JUST HAVE TO TAKE OFF MY CLOTHES AND ATTACK THE NOOBS!
And you parents out there, who would allow your children to listen to TGRR CDs, why you oughta be taken out and HORSEWHIPPED!
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on June 22, 2012, 05:57:06 AM
So you are saying all of this pertains to having a lot of free time and energy alongside a boner.
Interesting.
Also having not one iota of a fucking clue is a prerequisite.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQgpIC8y_iU&feature=related
Grant Morrison speaking recently on Magick and whatnot.
Probably not really related, I just enjoy listening to him ramble
edited as it previously made no fucking sense.
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on June 22, 2012, 06:04:15 AMQuote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 21, 2012, 02:01:22 PMQuote from: Pinprop on June 21, 2012, 09:05:29 AM
Hello. I recall that there are a few people here who used to be into that stuff, and I'd like to know why you stopped,
You regged a year ago.
Nice try, no cigar.
WHAY RU BEEN MEEN 2 TEH NUWBS, ROG AR!???
U AREEE RUUNIN TEH BAROD!!!!!
(http://i.imgur.com/T0GJJ.jpg)
Quote from: Iron Twiddleton on June 21, 2012, 10:17:45 PM
Point taken. I just think about all the people who comment on amazon about the simonomicon and the stuff that happened to them after they bought it. To be sure a good chunk is a bit of the troll but you know a good portion of them actually believe what theyre saying.
So I thought "ooh I gotta see those comments" and searched a bit, but then I got distracted, as the "publisher" of this simon necronomicon is apparently called "Schlangenkraft".
And that's one bit in the I3 that always confused me, the "EWIGE BLUMENKRAFT, EWIGE SCHLANGENKRAFT" part. Anyone know what's that about, or what it is a reference to?
The only thing I could come up with is that BLUMENKRAFT could be a faux-German pun on "Flower Power" ?
(also, one of my favourite Psydub producers, OTT, named his first album Blumenkraft, but then, on the Twisted Records DVD interview he wore a Pope shirt, and there's a few more "signals from Bob"/Discordia references in the titles and texts on his other albums)
And then comes the fun part, so I searched "Schlangenkraft" on DDG ... Anyone remember that Postmodernism Literary Deconstruction generator? Well, whoever wrote that put something referencing "Schlangenkraft" in the sources/references generation part, and since everybody and their dog posted the output of that software all over the far corners of the Interwebs, it's completely drowned out any of the original signal for "Schlangenkraft" :lulz: Now THAT is magic ...
Ooh it gets even better pomo generator names "Schlangekraft", if you look for "SchlangeNkraft" you get the I3 references, jeez.
And WIkipedia explains, if you use the right spelling :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ewige_Blumenkraft
(In the I3) it's indeed "flower power" and the "Schlangenkraft" ("serpent power") refers to either sexual energy (hey again), or the kundalini, or in fact any occult symbolism with a snake in it, really.
Quote from: Triple Zero on June 26, 2012, 04:21:02 PM
And then comes the fun part, so I searched "Schlangenkraft" on DDG ... Anyone remember that Postmodernism Literary Deconstruction generator? Well, whoever wrote that put something referencing "Schlangenkraft" in the sources/references generation part, and since everybody and their dog posted the output of that software all over the far corners of the Interwebs, it's completely drowned out any of the original signal for "Schlangenkraft" :lulz: Now THAT is magic ...
Agreed! That's cybersorcery and/or technomancy, in action, right there!
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on June 26, 2012, 04:35:23 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on June 26, 2012, 04:21:02 PM
And then comes the fun part, so I searched "Schlangenkraft" on DDG ... Anyone remember that Postmodernism Literary Deconstruction generator? Well, whoever wrote that put something referencing "Schlangenkraft" in the sources/references generation part, and since everybody and their dog posted the output of that software all over the far corners of the Interwebs, it's completely drowned out any of the original signal for "Schlangenkraft" :lulz: Now THAT is magic ...
Agreed! That's cybersorcery and/or technomancy, in action, right there!
Actually it's rather weak sorcery.
Or maybe mine's just stronger *cough*, I was personally taught by the very best Internet Wizard, the legendary ~S~eeker Fravia+ ...
See as I wrote that paragraph in the prev post, I remembered the "spell" to quickly and easily cut through the noise--developed for cutting away spam, which in fact bears a spooky resemblance to a PoMo generator ... can you guess it? :-)
Just the same with any kind of hacking and/or stage magic, as soon as you know how it's done, it's so mundane :)
Quote from: Triple Zero on June 26, 2012, 04:21:02 PM
Quote from: Iron Twiddleton on June 21, 2012, 10:17:45 PM
Point taken. I just think about all the people who comment on amazon about the simonomicon and the stuff that happened to them after they bought it. To be sure a good chunk is a bit of the troll but you know a good portion of them actually believe what theyre saying.
So I thought "ooh I gotta see those comments" and searched a bit, but then I got distracted, as the "publisher" of this simon necronomicon is apparently called "Schlangenkraft".
And that's one bit in the I3 that always confused me, the "EWIGE BLUMENKRAFT, EWIGE SCHLANGENKRAFT" part. Anyone know what's that about, or what it is a reference to?
The only thing I could come up with is that BLUMENKRAFT could be a faux-German pun on "Flower Power" ?
(also, one of my favourite Psydub producers, OTT, named his first album Blumenkraft, but then, on the Twisted Records DVD interview he wore a Pope shirt, and there's a few more "signals from Bob"/Discordia references in the titles and texts on his other albums)
And then comes the fun part, so I searched "Schlangenkraft" on DDG ... Anyone remember that Postmodernism Literary Deconstruction generator? Well, whoever wrote that put something referencing "Schlangenkraft" in the sources/references generation part, and since everybody and their dog posted the output of that software all over the far corners of the Interwebs, it's completely drowned out any of the original signal for "Schlangenkraft" :lulz: Now THAT is magic ...
Ooh it gets even better pomo generator names "Schlangekraft", if you look for "SchlangeNkraft" you get the I3 references, jeez.
And WIkipedia explains, if you use the right spelling :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ewige_Blumenkraft
(In the I3) it's indeed "flower power" and the "Schlangenkraft" ("serpent power") refers to either sexual energy (hey again), or the kundalini, or in fact any occult symbolism with a snake in it, really.
I thought I remembered reading in the appendix that it was hitting power, so flower power (peace) forever and hitting power (violence) forever.
YOU FUCKERS KNOW WHAT'S MAGICKAL?
INTESTINAL BLOCKAGES CAUSED BY DEHYDRATION.
ALLA YOU FUCKERS IN UTAH, PREPARE TO MEET CANADA. ALL OF YOU FUCKERS IN MEXICO, PREPARE TO MEET PANAMA.
:lulz:
Good one Trip.
And I agree. Who says we ever stopped. Just because what were doing doesn't look like "magick" to the OP just means he or she won't see our shit coming.
Quote from: Telarus on June 27, 2012, 01:31:41 AM
:lulz:
Good one Trip.
And I agree. Who says we ever stopped. Just because what were doing doesn't look like "magick" to the OP just means he or she won't see our shit coming.
Telarus is riding the correct Unicorn! :lulz:
Quote from: Triple Zero on June 26, 2012, 04:05:46 PM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on June 22, 2012, 06:04:15 AMQuote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 21, 2012, 02:01:22 PMQuote from: Pinprop on June 21, 2012, 09:05:29 AM
Hello. I recall that there are a few people here who used to be into that stuff, and I'd like to know why you stopped,
You regged a year ago.
Nice try, no cigar.
WHAY RU BEEN MEEN 2 TEH NUWBS, ROG AR!???
U AREEE RUUNIN TEH BAROD!!!!!
(http://i.imgur.com/T0GJJ.jpg)
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJdECn1l7NM
Quote from: Triple Zero on June 26, 2012, 04:05:46 PM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on June 22, 2012, 06:04:15 AMQuote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 21, 2012, 02:01:22 PMQuote from: Pinprop on June 21, 2012, 09:05:29 AM
Hello. I recall that there are a few people here who used to be into that stuff, and I'd like to know why you stopped,
You regged a year ago.
Nice try, no cigar.
WHAY RU BEEN MEEN 2 TEH NUWBS, ROG AR!???
U AREEE RUUNIN TEH BAROD!!!!!
(http://i.imgur.com/T0GJJ.jpg)
:spittake: