QuoteConstitutional Amendment Defining Life
Over the course of this month, Romney has expressed both support and opposition for an amendment that would define life as beginning at conception. Such an amendment would outlaw most forms of birth control.
At a campaign stop in Iowa last week, the White House hopeful said he agreed with the premise of a possible amendment, that "life beings and conception, birth control prevents conception," but said he was "not campaigning for an amendment of some kind."
But two weeks earlier Romney told Fox News host Mike Huckabee that he would "absolutely" support such an amendment.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mitt-romneys-top-contradicting-comments/story?id=14805513#.UAhBbaDAJ2E
Quote from: The Dead Reverend Roger on July 19, 2012, 06:44:52 PM
QuoteConstitutional Amendment Defining Life
Over the course of this month, Romney has expressed both support and opposition for an amendment that would define life as beginning at conception. Such an amendment would outlaw most forms of birth control.
At a campaign stop in Iowa last week, the White House hopeful said he agreed with the premise of a possible amendment, that "life beings and conception, birth control prevents conception," but said he was "not campaigning for an amendment of some kind."
But two weeks earlier Romney told Fox News host Mike Huckabee that he would "absolutely" support such an amendment.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mitt-romneys-top-contradicting-comments/story?id=14805513#.UAhBbaDAJ2E
He's not going to be happy until he has all us dirty birdies poking wire hangers up ourselves, is he?
Remember:
Sitting back and saying "bah! same old shit! just more politics!" is the complacency the forces of Fucking Stupid depend on to advance their cause of Fucking Stupidity in the world.
A thousand years of advancement were lost in the aptly-named dark ages because the forces of Fucking Stupid won. A psychotic took over Germany and led directly to the deaths of millions because the forces of Fucking Stupid won.
The stupid. More dangerous than the nothing.
There's not enough palms to face in the world...
Quote from: The Dead Reverend Roger on July 19, 2012, 07:42:29 PM
Remember:
Sitting back and saying "bah! same old shit! just more politics!" is the complacency the forces of Fucking Stupid depend on to advance their cause of Fucking Stupidity in the world.
A thousand years of advancement were lost in the aptly-named dark ages because the forces of Fucking Stupid won. A psychotic took over Germany and led directly to the deaths of millions because the forces of Fucking Stupid won.
"THE ECONOMY IS FUCKED BECAUSE OF THE JEWS! THE JEWS TOOK ALL YOUR MONEY! IMMA ROUND 'EM UP AND EVERYTHING WILL BE ALL BETTER!"
"HURRRRR, JA, JA. JEWS. HERP DERP. I DON'T LIKE GAYS, POLES AND GYPSIES EITHER. HURRRRR HURRRRR."
"OK, WE'LL GET THEM TOO. JUST WAIT TILL YOU SEE THIS COUNTRY WHEN I'M DONE!"
So, when is voting day again?
My daughter put "Fuck politics, they don't give a fuck about me, why should I give a fuck about them?" on her facebook.
I need to have a talk with her about how pols are legislators, the laws get changed all the time and what's no big deal today might be a felony next week. :x
Quite possibly.
Quote from: The Dead Reverend Roger on July 19, 2012, 06:44:52 PM
QuoteConstitutional Amendment Defining Life
Over the course of this month, Romney has expressed both support and opposition for an amendment that would define life as beginning at conception. Such an amendment would outlaw most forms of birth control.
At a campaign stop in Iowa last week, the White House hopeful said he agreed with the premise of a possible amendment, that "life beings and conception, birth control prevents conception," but said he was "not campaigning for an amendment of some kind."
But two weeks earlier Romney told Fox News host Mike Huckabee that he would "absolutely" support such an amendment.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mitt-romneys-top-contradicting-comments/story?id=14805513#.UAhBbaDAJ2E
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http://www.examiner.com/article/romney-admits-assisting-foreigners-to-avoid-paying-us-taxes-on-us-investments
My brain just fucking shattered.
Did you hear that?
SPLODE.
Oh man, it sounds like Richter and I are watching the election results again in kilts with scotch and a firearm, kids.
Finally someone understand what the Catholic Church has been saying for years.
You can't just go around preventing pregnancy. Why, we wouldn't have any of these women's rights issues if they weren't so worried about getting knocked up. Lack of contraception, combined with rigorous faith-based education should solve all of America's teenage pregnancy problems.
By keeping those little ladies out of school, the workplace, or anywhere public beyond a grocery store.
:dream:
:lulz:
Quote from: Alty on July 19, 2012, 11:37:51 PM
Finally someone understand what the Catholic Church has been saying for years.
You can't just go around preventing pregnancy. Why, we wouldn't have any of these women's rights issues if they weren't so worried about getting knocked up. Lack of contraception, combined with rigorous faith-based education should solve all of America's teenage pregnancy problems.
By keeping those little ladies out of school, the workplace, or anywhere public beyond a grocery store.
:dream:
True story
and we could solve the unemployment problem by getting all these little mamas back barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, where they belong.
...of course, that would create a labor shortage, which would drive wages up and reduce profit, so it WILL NEVER HAPPEN, but it sure is a nice divisive ploy to get the masses set against each other, isn't it?
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on July 19, 2012, 08:34:45 PM
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I have a feeling I'm going to be using the emote a
lot.
It occurs to me that the fuckwit yahoos who insist on "abstinence only" might think it works, but the think tanks who engineer this social bullshit know damn well it doesn't.
The idea is for as many teenagers as possible to GET PREGNANT. That's where the money is.
I mean, it's not like they're going to be able to afford college or anything anyway. And we're gonna need more cannon fodder in about 18-20 years.
Oh stella. I miss the days when i would have just dismissed you as a paranoid kook. Those were innocent times.
Women with children mean either women married to men, or women who have to work harder to make it through. Teenage women with children, mean women that may not (strong maybe) go to college... NO MATTER WHAT they may have wanted before than.
Sounds like just the sort of thing you would want, if you believe God put women here to work in the kitchen and have teh babies.
Sounds like what youd want if you would want fewer people going to college. A teenage father maybe isnt going to college either. More people who are less educated. A nation of well behaved unquestioning robots.
Quote from: Bruce Twiddleton on July 20, 2012, 08:38:14 PM
Sounds like what youd want if you would want fewer people going to college. A teenage father maybe isnt going to college either. More people who are less educated. A nation of well behaved unquestioning robots.
And they're less likely to rebel if they have a family to support...
Ugh... Throw a restrictive religious model on top of that as well.
On the other hand... if shit gets really bad and you can't actually feed your children, rebellion might become less distasteful.
As for the restrictive religious model... moar babies == moar members == moar power/influence/money. (see also: The Catholic Church over the past 1000 years)
Im looking more at religion as a tool of control. Religious people are more likely to be swayed by pandering to their religious ideals. How else would you get farmers to vote for someone who doesnt actually care about them? I could see more rural people voting democrat if the religious right and the gop werent married to each other. Once that happens you can convince them of other stuff like unions are bad.
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The Church's anti-women views actually did not pick up most of it's steam until the Renaissance, post-plague. You have a devastating event that shapes the way the world has to live, and suddenly, Jesus and babies are the answer, despite the influx of knowledge coming in from the broken Eastern Empire. (*sniff*)
So, no matter how smart the rest of the world is, if the foundations of society are shaken enough, God is the answer. Or rather, St. John and his fucking misogynistic letters to the Corinthians. Dick.
[/ SUU'S BORING FACT MOMENT]
Anyways, that's exactly what they're trying to do. Shake foundations, remove education, insert Jebus. Breed more subservient stupid. Rinse, repeat. By making things look worse than they really are, and placing the blame on others (ie. Inquisition) groups can once again exert power and gain wealth. You'll notice this pattern A LOT going back the past, oh, 5-6 centuries, unfortunately.
Quote from: Suu on July 20, 2012, 09:43:54 PM
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The Church's anti-women views actually did not pick up most of it's steam until the Renaissance, post-plague. You have a devastating event that shapes the way the world has to live, and suddenly, Jesus and babies are the answer, despite the influx of knowledge coming in from the broken Eastern Empire. (*sniff*)
So, no matter how smart the rest of the world is, if the foundations of society are shaken enough, God is the answer. Or rather, St. John and his fucking misogynistic letters to the Corinthians. Dick.
[/ SUU'S BORING FACT MOMENT]
Anyways, that's exactly what they're trying to do. Shake foundations, remove education, insert Jebus. Breed more subservient stupid. Rinse, repeat. By making things look worse than they really are, and placing the blame on others (ie. Inquisition) groups can once again exert power and gain wealth. You'll notice this pattern A LOT going back the past, oh, 5-6 centuries, unfortunately.
You get gauntlets... just like mittens but way older. :D
Quote from: Suu on July 20, 2012, 09:43:54 PM
[ SUU'S BORING FACT MOMENT]
The Church's anti-women views actually did not pick up most of it's steam until the Renaissance, post-plague. You have a devastating event that shapes the way the world has to live, and suddenly, Jesus and babies are the answer, despite the influx of knowledge coming in from the broken Eastern Empire. (*sniff*)
So, no matter how smart the rest of the world is, if the foundations of society are shaken enough, God is the answer. Or rather, St. John and his fucking misogynistic letters to the Corinthians. Dick.
[/ SUU'S BORING FACT MOMENT]
Anyways, that's exactly what they're trying to do. Shake foundations, remove education, insert Jebus. Breed more subservient stupid. Rinse, repeat. By making things look worse than they really are, and placing the blame on others (ie. Inquisition) groups can once again exert power and gain wealth. You'll notice this pattern A LOT going back the past, oh, 5-6 centuries, unfortunately.
ATTN SUU: ALWAYS TO BE SHARING BORING FACTS LIKE THIS PLZ.
Seriously, that shit is always extremely interesting. More is more.
It's kinda disgusting, really. The Catholic Church grew exponentially as a fast way to replace the Imperial Cult, courtesy of Constantine (who was a God-Fearer, not a Christian) pushing the idea of moving the idea of a state religion away from emperor worship to that of deity worship, hence Sol Invictus. Religion could be used to extort and control without putting him in the center. The man knew what he was doing.
Though the Church in it's present form and doctrine did not exist until post-Schism in the 11th Century, because the Orthodox Rite wasn't as keen on extortion and providing ultimate power to the Pope, and the Roman Rite wasn't keen on icon worship and allowing the Roman Emperor any sort of say in anything ever when they had their OWN Emperor of the Romans who was the really real Roman Emperor because he was crowned by the Pope and spoke Latin and not Greek and...@_@
tl,dr: The power of the Catholic Church is bullshit and the result of a dick waving contest in which man conceded to the power of the Church, where as in the East, the Orthodox Church conceded to the power of man. I'm finding myself reading more and more into the events in Late Antiquity leading up to the Great Schism. This period in history is INTENSE and understudied.
-Suu
Will either be the best history professor ever, or lose her job for potty mouth the first week.
Quote from: Bruce Twiddleton on July 20, 2012, 07:41:35 PM
Oh stella. I miss the days when i would have just dismissed you as a paranoid kook. Those were innocent times.
There's not a day that goes by that I don't want to dismiss MYSELF as a paranoid kook.
Jiminy fuckin' Cockroach.
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on July 20, 2012, 09:15:36 PM
On the other hand... if shit gets really bad and you can't actually feed your children, rebellion might become less distasteful.
As for the restrictive religious model... moar babies == moar members == moar power/influence/money. (see also: The Catholic Church over the past 1000 years)
If you can't feed them because of the crappy job market and increasingly crippled social programs, it's YOUR FAULT, they're YOUR responsibility, so FUCK YOU, they will be taken to foster care where they'll bounce around for years getting moved to all kinds of fucked up places getting abused who-knows-how-many ways until they are ready to KILL A MOTHERFUCKER. Like brown guys. In some other country.
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on July 20, 2012, 10:26:03 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on July 20, 2012, 09:15:36 PM
On the other hand... if shit gets really bad and you can't actually feed your children, rebellion might become less distasteful.
As for the restrictive religious model... moar babies == moar members == moar power/influence/money. (see also: The Catholic Church over the past 1000 years)
If you can't feed them because of the crappy job market and increasingly crippled social programs, it's YOUR FAULT, they're YOUR responsibility, so FUCK YOU, they will be taken to foster care where they'll bounce around for years getting moved to all kinds of fucked up places getting abused who-knows-how-many ways until they are ready to KILL A MOTHERFUCKER. Like brown guys. In some other country.
Sure... but this line I once heard in a documentary on the Visigoths keeps running though my head:
"When you've buried your third child because of starvation and you've already eaten the family dog... you begin to consider rebellion".
And why did the Visigoths starve and rebel?
Because they were hired as foederati by the Romans, and Constantine, again, said, "No, fuck those barbarian bastards. Build me a shiny new capital, they don't need to be paid." So Rome had no fucking money for a century while they invested offshore in the Orient for more profit gaining.
...And the city of Rome was sacked like Tim Tebow.
The end.
-Suu
Same shit, different century.
Quote from: Suu on July 20, 2012, 09:43:54 PM
Or rather, St. John and his fucking misogynistic letters to the Corinthians. Dick.
Paul of Tarsus, not John.
Quote from: Suu on July 20, 2012, 10:42:53 PM
And why did the Visigoths starve and rebel?
Because they were hired as foederati by the Romans, and Constantine, again, said, "No, fuck those barbarian bastards. Build me a shiny new capital, they don't need to be paid." So Rome had no fucking money for a century while they invested offshore in the Orient for more profit gaining.
...And the city of Rome was sacked like Tim Tebow.
The end.
-Suu
Same shit, different century.
While I believe that it's basic human nature to rebel when you really begin to starve, those were VISIGOTHS.
We're talking americans these days. Fat, damaged americans who can be placated with TV and anything that takes up space in their bellies. Like styrofoam.
McDonald's New Styro-Meal: they'll eat it.
Quote from: The Dead Reverend Roger on July 20, 2012, 11:02:56 PM
Quote from: Suu on July 20, 2012, 09:43:54 PM
Or rather, St. John and his fucking misogynistic letters to the Corinthians. Dick.
Paul of Tarsus, not John.
Yep. There were three Saint Johns in the New Testament. One was tripping on something awesome and gave us one of the most metal books in the anthology.
Quote from: Bruce Twiddleton on July 20, 2012, 07:41:35 PM
Oh stella. I miss the days when i would have just dismissed you as a paranoid kook. Those were innocent times.
:lulz: Speaking of those times, in a way I miss the days of being dismissed as a paranoid kook. Back then, it almost seemed like it was possible that things might not go in this direction.
But then, yeah. Here we are.
Quote from: Bruce Twiddleton on July 20, 2012, 08:38:14 PM
Sounds like what youd want if you would want fewer people going to college. A teenage father maybe isnt going to college either. More people who are less educated. A nation of well behaved unquestioning robots.
They've even managed a workaround for people who go to college, by monetizing it and raising minimum educational expectations for entry-level positions.
Quote from: Suu on July 20, 2012, 10:13:21 PM
It's kinda disgusting, really. The Catholic Church grew exponentially as a fast way to replace the Imperial Cult, courtesy of Constantine (who was a God-Fearer, not a Christian) pushing the idea of moving the idea of a state religion away from emperor worship to that of deity worship, hence Sol Invictus. Religion could be used to extort and control without putting him in the center. The man knew what he was doing.
Though the Church in it's present form and doctrine did not exist until post-Schism in the 11th Century, because the Orthodox Rite wasn't as keen on extortion and providing ultimate power to the Pope, and the Roman Rite wasn't keen on icon worship and allowing the Roman Emperor any sort of say in anything ever when they had their OWN Emperor of the Romans who was the really real Roman Emperor because he was crowned by the Pope and spoke Latin and not Greek and...@_@
tl,dr: The power of the Catholic Church is bullshit and the result of a dick waving contest in which man conceded to the power of the Church, where as in the East, the Orthodox Church conceded to the power of man. I'm finding myself reading more and more into the events in Late Antiquity leading up to the Great Schism. This period in history is INTENSE and understudied.
-Suu
Will either be the best history professor ever, or lose her job for potty mouth the first week.
I don't know about schools back East, but out here I don't think you CAN lose your job for potty-mouth, unless you work for a Christian university... you'll be an awesome history professor!
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on July 20, 2012, 10:29:34 PM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on July 20, 2012, 10:26:03 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on July 20, 2012, 09:15:36 PM
On the other hand... if shit gets really bad and you can't actually feed your children, rebellion might become less distasteful.
As for the restrictive religious model... moar babies == moar members == moar power/influence/money. (see also: The Catholic Church over the past 1000 years)
If you can't feed them because of the crappy job market and increasingly crippled social programs, it's YOUR FAULT, they're YOUR responsibility, so FUCK YOU, they will be taken to foster care where they'll bounce around for years getting moved to all kinds of fucked up places getting abused who-knows-how-many ways until they are ready to KILL A MOTHERFUCKER. Like brown guys. In some other country.
Sure... but this line I once heard in a documentary on the Visigoths keeps running though my head:
"When you've buried your third child because of starvation and you've already eaten the family dog... you begin to consider rebellion".
:lulz:
Sorry
Blame Dimo.
Quote from: The Dead Reverend Roger on July 20, 2012, 11:02:56 PM
Quote from: Suu on July 20, 2012, 09:43:54 PM
Or rather, St. John and his fucking misogynistic letters to the Corinthians. Dick.
Paul of Tarsus, not John.
Thank you, I was getting him confused with that butthurt letter John wrote to Nero known today as Revelations, also lulzworthy.
Quote from: Bruce Twiddleton on July 21, 2012, 02:12:00 AM
Yep. There were three Saint Johns in the New Testament. One was tripping on something awesome and gave us one of the most metal books in the anthology.
He wasn't tripping, he was pissed at the Emperor Nero for not having an audience with him. The man was certifiable and senile by this point in his life and is lucky Nero didn't just off and kill him.
Nero: Listen dude, stfu.
John: ACCEPT CHRIST OR...OR...SOMETHING!
Nero: Ugh, I don't want to kill you, you seem like a decent guy, but like...stfu. Seriously?
John: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND! YOU WILL NEVER KNOW REALLY REAL CHRISTIANITY!
Nero: I'm done, go to this island and sit there until you can behave yourself.
John: *a few years letter* "Dear Nero, you suck. You won't let me have any fun. I am going to call you the Antichrist, and because medieval monks can't read Greek worth a damn, when I write '666', that's actually your name in Greek numerals, and this is going to troll the Catholics for centuries! Hugs and Kisses, John." *sends letter* (also, how the fuck did the apostle live into his 90s?!)
Domitian: So I got this letter, and it's hysterical. Nero's been dead for a few years now, I mean this is like...4 emperors later. What a cooky bastards. I'm going to kill some Christians, and then go stab flies with my pen. BRB.
*300 years later*
Constantine: Yes, put THAT book in there. Totally, oh yeah...TRUST ME. As a really real "Christian" myself, the Bible NEEDS some doom and gloom prophecy. HONEST! *snark*
The end.
-Suu
Theology done right.
Quote from: Suu on July 20, 2012, 10:42:53 PM
And why did the Visigoths starve and rebel?
Because they were hired as foederati by the Romans, and Constantine, again, said, "No, fuck those barbarian bastards. Build me a shiny new capital, they don't need to be paid." So Rome had no fucking money for a century while they invested offshore in the Orient for more profit gaining.
...And the city of Rome was sacked like Tim Tebow.
The end.
Ammianus Marcellus begs to differ.
Dude wrote shit 100 years after it happened. Gotta love Roman historians. They're like fucking gossip columnists today writing about the love affairs of Abraham Lincoln. Gibbon liked him, that explains enough. Unfortunately, most of the surviving texts we have of that period are Marcellinus and Procopius, dudes who were still code strands somewhere in their great-grandfather's DNA. Marcellinus gives us a great view of what it was like to be a Roman soldier, though.
Then again, anything to make Adrianople look like less of a disaster than it really was. If it wasn't for the goddamn Theodosian Land Walls, Constantinople would have been next. Valens was a fucking idiot and the Visigoths had the Romans' number before they even engaged. That's when the world began to realize that Rome was not, in fact, immortal. The minute Valens got skewered, the Middle Ages unofficially started.
Quote from: Suu on July 23, 2012, 04:52:36 PM
Dude wrote shit 100 years after it happened.
Dude was present.
War with Rome (376–382)Main article: Gothic War (376–382)
The Goths remained in Dacia until 376, when one of their leaders, Fritigern, appealed to the Roman emperor Valens to be allowed to settle with his people on the south bank of the Danube. Here, they hoped to find refuge from the Huns. Valens permitted this, as he saw in them "a splendid recruiting ground for his army."[16] However, a famine broke out and Rome was unwilling to supply them with either the food they were promised or the land; open revolt ensued leading to 6 years of plundering and destruction throughout the Balkans, the death of a Roman Emperor and the destruction of an entire Roman army.
The Battle of Adrianople in 378 was the decisive moment of the war. The Roman forces were slaughtered and the Emperor Valens was killed during the fighting. Adrianople shocked the Roman world and eventually forced the Romans to negotiate with and settle the tribe within the empire's boundaries, a development with far reaching consequences for the eventual fall of Rome.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visigoths
Then
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammianus_Marcellinus
Ammianus Marcellinus (325/330–after 391) was a fourth-century Roman historian. He wrote the penultimate major historical account surviving from Antiquity (the last was written by Procopius). His work chronicled in Latin the history of Rome from 96 to 378, although only the sections covering the period 353–378 are extant.[1][2]
When Nerva was emperor? Doubtful. Though we lost those books anyway. Coincidence? No, not really...we're just now starting to find a lot of fragments in random places like Morocco.
He was alive during Adrianople, but I don't think he was physically there.
Dacia was a nightmare for Rome from day one. The Danube cultures didn't take lightly to them shiny strangers coming in.
There's just so much lacuna in this period it's hard to really find out what REALLY happened. The Europeans didn't write anything down that we have record of (which means the Romans or the Catholics later destroyed anything, of course.) And then Alexandria went...unggggh. Late Antiquity is so frustrating. I think that's why I like it. There are actual gaps where we really have no fucking clue what happened.
Quote from: Suu on July 23, 2012, 04:59:47 PM
When Nerva was emperor? Doubtful. Though we lost those books anyway. Coincidence? No, not really...we're just now starting to find a lot of fragments in random places like Morocco.
He was alive during Adrianople, but I don't think he was physically there.
His account states that he was present when the Visigoths lost their shit. He wound up floating down a river on a raft of corpses, along with the few other remaining survivors.
Alright, I gotta check this shit out. I've only read bits and pieces. Thanks!
Quote from: Suu on July 23, 2012, 05:27:18 PM
Alright, I gotta check this shit out. I've only read bits and pieces. Thanks!
I'll post the name of the account in question when I get home. It's sitting on my bookshelf next to that old fishwife Tacitus.
Quote from: Suu on July 23, 2012, 05:05:40 PM
There's just so much lacuna in this period it's hard to really find out what REALLY happened. The Europeans didn't write anything down that we have record of (which means the Romans or the Catholics later destroyed anything, of course.) And then Alexandria went...unggggh. Late Antiquity is so frustrating. I think that's why I like it. There are actual gaps where we really have no fucking clue what happened.
It was also a time when the world had gone mad, and any one individual could reliably report only a tiny fraction of the picture of even one major event. Bad signal was everywhere, and if you didn't see it with your own eyes, you couldn't trust it.
Good thing we're not in that position today or anything.
Quote from: The Dead Reverend Roger on July 23, 2012, 05:29:10 PM
Quote from: Suu on July 23, 2012, 05:27:18 PM
Alright, I gotta check this shit out. I've only read bits and pieces. Thanks!
I'll post the name of the account in question when I get home. It's sitting on my bookshelf next to that old fishwife Tacitus.
I happen to enjoy Tacitus. He was a smooth writer, I mean, in contrast to that whiny bitch Cassius Dio who was above writing his histories in Latin.
Quote from: The Dead Reverend Roger on July 23, 2012, 05:41:07 PM
Good thing we're not in that position today or anything.
I know, right? :horrormirth:
Quote from: Suu on July 23, 2012, 05:51:48 PM
Quote from: The Dead Reverend Roger on July 23, 2012, 05:29:10 PM
Quote from: Suu on July 23, 2012, 05:27:18 PM
Alright, I gotta check this shit out. I've only read bits and pieces. Thanks!
I'll post the name of the account in question when I get home. It's sitting on my bookshelf next to that old fishwife Tacitus.
I happen to enjoy Tacitus. He was a smooth writer, I mean, in contrast to that whiny bitch Cassius Dio who was above writing his histories in Latin.
Quote from: The Dead Reverend Roger on July 23, 2012, 05:41:07 PM
Good thing we're not in that position today or anything.
I know, right? :horrormirth:
Tacitus was a shrewish old gossip who disapproved of everything Rome ever did, unless one of his relatives was involved. The really big contribution he made was to record the names of the knights and their families who perished under Nero's rule.
Yeah, he had a way with words, but he was hardly an unbiased source. For that, you need Livy, who unfortunately wrote like a Canadian historian...IE, boring as fuck, and mostly talking about who grew how much and when. He even made the Punic Wars boring, FFS. How the hell do you do THAT?
Reading Livy is like reading stereo instructions.
The only person worse is Pliny the Younger. A 4 hour long speech at the coronation of an emperor? *snore*
Quote from: Suu on July 23, 2012, 06:02:48 PM
Reading Livy is like reading stereo instructions.
The only person worse is Pliny the Younger. A 4 hour long speech at the coronation of an emperor? *snore*
Also, when narrating a volcano erupting, "HOLY FUCKING SHIT!" is really all you need to say. Gory details are not required.
:lulz: