http://90days90reasons.com/06.php
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QuoteThere is a now iconic picture of Obama and a young boy in the Oval Office. The president of the United States is bowing, bent at the waist so the young boy can touch his hair, so the young boy can feel that he and the president have something in common. When I first saw the photograph I knew I had finally voted for someone who would affirm my faith, who would live up to the audacity of promising hope.
Sometimes, all hope requires is one moment and that moment, that photograph of the president and a young boy is what I most needed to believe my hope in Obama was well placed, to believe that while the president is just one man, the presidency is so much more when held in the hands and heart of the right man.
:punchballs:
And even more, Obama cured that little boy of scrofula (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuberculous_cervical_lymphadenitis#History)!
Of course, this becomes a lot more horrormirthy if you juxtapose the above paragraph with a picture of the latest mosque a CIA drone bombed.
(http://i.imgur.com/3N6Lr.jpg)
Picture of a dead child, with no warning.
Did the entire body of pd piss you off so badly that we've been reduced to pagan boards in your book?
Otherwise I facepalmed at that stupid quote.
Yes, it's all so terribly offensive.
I bet that dead kid is just horrified his picture is being posted without warnings on internet forums. And, at the end of the day, that's what all this is really about. Why won't someone think of the poor children who might be subjected to pictures of murdered children? Where's that outrage? Aren't they the real victims here?
Well fuck me for barely hanging on as it is without having more mind rending grief thrown on me uunexpectedly. I apologize for not pussyfooting around and not just leaving the thread without saying a thing. Oh but wait, you've bemoaned the fact that no one reads anything you say, so I guess I would have been wrong anyway.
Dont shy away, those are your Tax dollars hard at work, don't you want to see the bang you get for your buck?
Thats fucked up.
Yeah, like I don't already realize that everything my country stands for anymore is evil beyond redemption.
Quote from: Faust on August 15, 2012, 01:45:43 AM
Dont shy away, those are your Tax dollars hard at work, don't you want to see the bang you get for your buck?
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on August 15, 2012, 01:45:26 AM
Well fuck me for barely hanging on as it is without having more mind rending grief thrown on me uunexpectedly. I apologize for not pussyfooting around and not just leaving the thread without saying a thing. Oh but wait, you've bemoaned the fact that no one reads anything you say, so I guess I would have been wrong anyway.
Unwarranted personal attacks. Classy.
Everyone says they want to know the truth, and then you show them the actual results of real life policies and guess what? YOU'RE the bad guy! Maybe you should redirect some of that self-righteous anger at the people who actually caused the above scene? You know, the CIA officer flying the drone, the President who gives the orders for the assassination, the judges who claim there is no legal issue with these attacks, and the journalists who shoutdown anyone who dare disagree?
No, those people have power and are scary and actually sometimes kill people. Much easier to shout at that asshole on the web for showing the cruel reality of everyday life in certain parts of the world. I mean, what a jerk, showing a picture of a dead kid. That's much worse than an entire political-judicial-economic system which works towards the steady production of dead kids on a daily basis.
Really, I ought to be ashamed of myself.
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on August 15, 2012, 01:52:15 AM
Yeah, like I don't already realize that everything my country stands for anymore is evil beyond redemption.Quote from: Faust on August 15, 2012, 01:45:43 AM
Dont shy away, those are your Tax dollars hard at work, don't you want to see the bang you get for your buck?
It was just gallows humor, I wouldn't insult you by pretending there was anyone who didn't know that.
Quote from: Faust on August 15, 2012, 01:55:06 AM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on August 15, 2012, 01:52:15 AM
Yeah, like I don't already realize that everything my country stands for anymore is evil beyond redemption.Quote from: Faust on August 15, 2012, 01:45:43 AM
Dont shy away, those are your Tax dollars hard at work, don't you want to see the bang you get for your buck?
It was just gallows humor, I wouldn't insult you by pretending there was anyone who didn't know that.
Ah. Sorry about that.
I think I need a vacation or something.
We're all grown ups. Sometimes life is shitty. I don't believe in demanding or requiring warnings.
Cain, that's a great juxtaposition. Yet another example of the Map and the Territory, if you say the right words and make the right PR pictures, no one notices the real shit they're walking through.
Ugh. So many people keep saying "But, he's better than Bush!" and the only thing I see him doing better/different is the pretty artwork on his map.
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on August 15, 2012, 02:03:31 AM
Quote from: Faust on August 15, 2012, 01:55:06 AM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on August 15, 2012, 01:52:15 AM
Yeah, like I don't already realize that everything my country stands for anymore is evil beyond redemption.Quote from: Faust on August 15, 2012, 01:45:43 AM
Dont shy away, those are your Tax dollars hard at work, don't you want to see the bang you get for your buck?
It was just gallows humor, I wouldn't insult you by pretending there was anyone who didn't know that.
Ah. Sorry about that.
I think I need a vacation or something.
It's a nasty subject. It bothers me more that it doesnt surprise me any more then it does to see the picture.
It makes me feel complacent and complicit and that I should be doing something.
Shit, why are we so fucked up? :cry: I just watched the anti-terrorism ads in MMIX's thread, and came straight here for the reminder that the US government is a far worse terrorist than anyone else on the globe.
I think it would have reduced the impact if the image had been linked, but just for future reference, pictures of dead kids aren't SFW for all of us and are something that I really don't want my smallest kid to see, so an indication in the title might be called for so discretion can be practiced. No kids home at present fortunately.
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on August 15, 2012, 02:07:03 AM
We're all grown ups. Sometimes life is shitty. I don't believe in demanding or requiring warnings.
The kid didn't get a warning.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on August 15, 2012, 03:10:34 AM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on August 15, 2012, 02:07:03 AM
We're all grown ups. Sometimes life is shitty. I don't believe in demanding or requiring warnings.
The kid didn't get a warning.
Sure he did. Anybody knows a
Good Guy would never choose to be born among such Smudgy People. And even if the system fucked up and "accidentally" put him there, well, surely death is preferable to any reasonable toddler than to grow up and become and
extremist. Besides, the signs were around him all the time. He lived in a poor nation, where people had the audacity to be in the line of fire. Only two things are ever in the line of fire: the enemy, and someone who might as well be your enemy. The kid surely knew he had it coming. He was probably knocking over towers of blocks just a day or so prior to this, just practicing for the REAL EVENT.
Quote from: v3x on August 15, 2012, 06:02:29 AM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on August 15, 2012, 03:10:34 AM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on August 15, 2012, 02:07:03 AM
We're all grown ups. Sometimes life is shitty. I don't believe in demanding or requiring warnings.
The kid didn't get a warning.
Sure he did. Anybody knows a Good Guy would never choose to be born among such Smudgy People. And even if the system fucked up and "accidentally" put him there, well, surely death is preferable to any reasonable toddler than to grow up and become and extremist. Besides, the signs were around him all the time. He lived in a poor nation, where people had the audacity to be in the line of fire. Only two things are ever in the line of fire: the enemy, and someone who might as well be your enemy. The kid surely knew he had it coming. He was probably knocking over towers of blocks just a day or so prior to this, just practicing for the REAL EVENT.
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Quote from: Cain on August 15, 2012, 12:11:52 AM
http://90days90reasons.com/06.php
(http://i.imgur.com/lNqfj.jpg)
QuoteThere is a now iconic picture of Obama and a young boy in the Oval Office. The president of the United States is bowing, bent at the waist so the young boy can touch his hair, so the young boy can feel that he and the president have something in common. When I first saw the photograph I knew I had finally voted for someone who would affirm my faith, who would live up to the audacity of promising hope.
Sometimes, all hope requires is one moment and that moment, that photograph of the president and a young boy is what I most needed to believe my hope in Obama was well placed, to believe that while the president is just one man, the presidency is so much more when held in the hands and heart of the right man.
:roll:
Not that I need to state the obvious, but it appears publicity stunts are a foreign concept to this person
QuoteAnd even more, Obama cured that little boy of scrofula (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuberculous_cervical_lymphadenitis#History)!
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Of course, this becomes a lot more horrormirthy if you juxtapose the above paragraph with a picture of the latest mosque a CIA drone bombed.
(http://i.imgur.com/3N6Lr.jpg)
This I just have a hard time wrapping my mind around. I know it happens, but FFS, a church (mosque)?! I don't care how many "terrorists" they thought were in there, more than likely of course there were going to be "regular" civilians in there. They're not even pretending anymore. Or I suppose they haven't been for a while. It's kept out of the public eye for the most part. Half the people don't care, the other half are happy about it since it's those Horrible Brown People Over There. None of this is new and shocking, I know, but it instills a weird sense of hopelessness. Not that sitting around wringing our hands, or closing our eyes to it will help anything, but...what?
hm.. Dead kid at a mosque that got blown up by the U.S. you say? President that seems to know a good photo op when he has a live kid in his office, what?
What kind of crap we digging at here?
This is just ONE kid out of probably millions in the modern history of blowing shit sky high. I think trying to get people to react to this is an interesting, if extra ruthless, conversational hook.
It's got me on the line.
Cain were you trying to demonstrate some point in this juxtaposition?
Quote from: trippinprincezz13 on August 15, 2012, 06:40:26 PM
None of this is new and shocking, I know, but it instills a weird sense of hopelessness. Not that sitting around wringing our hands, or closing our eyes to it will help anything, but...what?
Cultivate a sense of patience. If these things disturb you then act against them. Do not feel shame in yourself for the actions of others. Do good things so that you can say that your life was not lived to amplify the horror. If you feel powerless against these things, then seek out means to power. Never forget why you sought it out once you find it. Never forget that the price you will pay to cause change may be your entire life's efforts.
Also, remember to breathe. It helps.
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on August 15, 2012, 10:36:24 PM
hm.. Dead kid at a mosque that got blown up by the U.S. you say? President that seems to know a good photo op when he has a live kid in his office, what?
What kind of crap we digging at here?
This is just ONE kid out of probably millions in the modern history of blowing shit sky high. I think trying to get people to react to this is an interesting, if extra ruthless, conversational hook.
It's got me on the line.
Cain were you trying to demonstrate some point in this juxtaposition?
Quote from: trippinprincezz13 on August 15, 2012, 06:40:26 PM
None of this is new and shocking, I know, but it instills a weird sense of hopelessness. Not that sitting around wringing our hands, or closing our eyes to it will help anything, but...what?
Cultivate a sense of patience. If these things disturb you then act against them. Do not feel shame in yourself for the actions of others. Do good things so that you can say that your life was not lived to amplify the horror. If you feel powerless against these things, then seek out means to power. Never forget why you sought it out once you find it. Never forget that the price you will pay to cause change may be your entire life's efforts.
Also, remember to breathe. It helps.
There's no air in Tucson. What do?
Oh, yeah, and it's just another dead kid, right? Nothing to see here.
Sure, here's my point:
Shoot up a Sikh temple, and you're a Neo-Nazi murdering bastard.
Order a covert intelligence agency to use a drone to fire a missile into a mosque and you're a God-Emperor whose benevolent rule makes the poor minority children happy. Well, the poor minority children not incinerated by Predator missile fire, at least.
It's been like 6 years since I saw it, but CNN were once bemoaning the fact that militants were filling their religious schools with children.
OMFG, cowards! You made us bomb teh childrens too!
Wait.... Let me get this straight. We didnt expect children in a school (or a mosque)?
No, just didn't care. Over 160 children have died as a result of drone attacks in Pakistan alone. Remember, drone attacks are also ongoing in Yemen, and Somalia has been put on the list too. No doubt when US forces withdraw from Afghanistan, drones will be used there as well.
Drone attacks are predicated on intelligence briefings but, as we know, these are notoriously unreliable, and when coupled with the CIA's lack of Arabic speakers and the dearth of human intelligence in the Arab world, that people are being killed on the basis of having a name resembling that of a terrorist is quite likely.
Jihadists do have poor operational security when it comes to electronic communications, and of course that is the kind of intelligence gathering America does well, but joining up an online identity to an IRL person isn't always so easy.
Sometimes the targets are the sites themselves, and so anyone there is automatically a target. Suspected training camps in the Pakistan NWFP, for example.
And of course, let us recall, any male between the ages of 14-60 in a strike zone is already officially classed as a "militant" anyway, according to the White House.
Note to self. Do not visit middle east until 2041
Quote from: Cain on August 16, 2012, 07:19:50 AM
Sure, here's my point:
Shoot up a Sikh temple, and you're a Neo-Nazi murdering bastard.
Order a covert intelligence agency to use a drone to fire a missile into a mosque and you're a God-Emperor whose benevolent rule makes the poor minority children happy. Well, the poor minority children not incinerated by Predator missile fire, at least.
I think I see what you're getting at.
This reminds me of Toynbee. I once got my hands on a condensation of his historical work focusing on warfare. The part that stuck best was a rant on the "Military Virtues." The essence was that things like valor, honor, and discipline are self evident virtues all their own that have been draped over the nature of warfare to glamorize it.
Things like this sort of missile strike dispense with even these cover virtues in favor of expedience.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on August 15, 2012, 10:38:48 PM
There's no air in Tucson. What do?1
Oh, yeah, and it's just another dead kid, right? Nothing to see here.2
1. Drive north until you find air, then breathe.
2. Just because I'm not shocked and have some sense that the bigger picture is far worse is no reason to imply that I don't care Roger.
Wait a minute.. did I just fall into some kind of clever snare? Is this where I'm supposed to freak out with teh butthurtz cuz you obviously didn't, and could never, understand me? Maybe afterwards I could backtrack a little, then you can lay in with a little argumentum ad hominem and I'll be ready to freak out again. That could be fun!
Quote from: Nephew Hiroshima on August 16, 2012, 11:10:22 AM
Wait.... Let me get this straight. We didnt expect children in a school (or a mosque)?
Oh, sure we did, but they weren't the target you see. The morality of targeting kids is much different than the morality of targeting a building. It's all in the paperwork, you see. Right there in sub section 23 line 5 where you fill in the blank for TARGET.
Never mind that other section where we tally COLLATERAL DAMAGE. That is for your superiors to deal with, carry on citizen.
How on *earth* can you worry about stuff like that when we have bird porn to deal with!!?? Won't somebody thibnk of the children!!??
http://stopbirdporn.wordpress.com/tag/stop-bird-porn/
:horrormirth:
Quote from: Cain on August 16, 2012, 07:19:50 AM
Sure, here's my point:
Shoot up a Sikh temple, and you're a Neo-Nazi murdering bastard.
Order a covert intelligence agency to use a drone to fire a missile into a mosque and you're a God-Emperor whose benevolent rule makes the poor minority children happy. Well, the poor minority children not incinerated by Predator missile fire, at least.
It would appear that it's worse than that Cain. Appearantly a man named Dave Mustaine, allegedly connected to a subversive group calling it's self MEGADEATH :fnord: has come to believe that there's every chance that these things are both part of the same super-secret "New World Order."
Shocking interview (http://www.infowars.com/alex-jones-exclusive-megadeths-dave-mustaine-talks-about-his-awakening-to-the-nwo/)
They are after teh gunnz man! Seems that it's all somthing called a psy-op. :horrormirth: :vom:
Quote from: Cain on August 16, 2012, 12:32:46 PM
No, just didn't care. Over 160 children have died as a result of drone attacks in Pakistan alone. Remember, drone attacks are also ongoing in Yemen, and Somalia has been put on the list too. No doubt when US forces withdraw from Afghanistan, drones will be used there as well.
Somewhat related to this, I've been wondering about the potential political impact of shock adverts such as the OP for example (it isn't, just imagine it's a 30 second TV spot from Amnesty or somesuch)
Several powers have had very dubious policies towards many impoverished countries over the years. I would suggest that the main reason this happens is the populace is largely unaware and/or uncaring.
Looking at what the RSPCA spends on TV ads per year, I honestly can't help but wonder if the political landscape would change with the right adverts, on the "right" issues got more exposure.
I've seen adverts with starving/dying/dead children from many places in the world for a variety of reasons, but never has the reason been attributed to a world power. I find this strange, it often seems to be.
Landmines, for example. SOMEONE made them in the first place, and the UK (remember Diana? She loved them) made a fucking lot.
Consider that. Statistically, UK funds in many cases have gone to Make, export, campaign against and
finally disarm and remove the same fucking mine. Kind of rambling, tl:dr - Cain should make Shock adverts for amnesty or something.