Dear PD members who currently think I am a shitbag,
First of all, I have given you plenty of reason to think so. I acted like a dickhead and failed to notice this even after several people pointed it out to me, some in great detail (thanks due to Roger, Phox, Nigel, mostly).
Although the PD board appears to be intentionally designed or naturally evolved to bring out the worst in new-comers, that does not in any way diminish my responsibility for the fact that it succeeded in doing that to me quite spectacularly: after all, I freely chose to come here. And, having reread all of my posts and the context for a fair few of them, me at my worst is pretentious, dismissive, inattentive, nitpicking, posturing, insincere and ridiculously vain. So I need to work on those. And I need to thank you all for helping me have this realisation. I am sorry it took so long. (I think I almost got it at the beginning, actually, but the trap just opened wider... and I fell for it, developing and nurturing a major case of what you call butthurt while remaining in staunch denial about it.)
But the fact is, hard to realise and admit as it was for me, this is still the board of my dreams. I do wish to become an accepted, respected member of it. I realise (now) that this takes time and posts (a few months and a few dozen posts at the very least, I imagine) even if all goes well, which, in my case, has not. The essential mistake I made (and yes, Phox pointed this out to me several times back in December, and yes, I completely failed to grasp it) was misjudging the situation. This may be explained (not excused, just explained!) by the fact that apart from one I started myself, this is the only board I have come across in which there is truly a community at work. And given the idiosyncratic (Discordian?) style of the board, I mistook it for one of the other kind (in which I include both venting venues and mutual admiration circles - their common feature is the lack of real engagement with and interest in the others). As a result, I failed to realise that the people that were being rude to me have earned the right to be rude on this board, while I had earned nothing.
So: I apologise for being dim-witted, easily offended and unheeding of my actual situation here. I experienced a profound sense of shame yesterday evening, which was still in evidence this morning. It is now passing. It was highly unpleasant, but I deserved it. And needed it.
All of which, by the way, does not change the fact that I do think that my views on homeopathy, the evolution of individuality, sense-of-self and consciousness, and music are reasonable and worthy of consideration, though I need to articulate them better. I hope I will manage to find a way of discussing them with you in a reasonable manner, but if that is not possible, I would just as well give those topics a miss.
May I start over?
Traditionally these epiphanies have a 15%* probability of being genuine and/or sustainable long term. I'm rooting for ya, tho. The world needs more bipeds.
:drama1:
* figure plucked from an ass full of unsubstantiated statistics
Quote from: holist on September 19, 2012, 09:52:25 AM
I would just as well give those topics a miss.
May I start over?
Please don't avoid any topic, just be willing to accept a heated debate. There is not a member on this forum who hasn't gotten his ass handed to him on a gold platter several times. Verbal beatdowns combined with the spine to apologize (where neccesary) and stand your ground (on some issues) are what make this community work.
Fine by me.
Yeah man it'a all good. But,
Quote from: holist on September 19, 2012, 09:52:25 AM
Although the PD board appears to be intentionally designed or naturally evolved to bring out the worst in new-comers
It's not. It just seems that we attract a type of person who acts like that when they first get here.
People liked me here almost immediately, same with Phox. Coyote too.
I don't know what it is. I honestly don't understand why some newbs have a hard time.
Some of your ideas that don't immediately seem to be supported by rationality might get som poop flung at them, but I'm willing to give them a fair shake, holist.
Many of us had rough entries... it can pass. Enjoy.
I'm down with it.
I have two suggestions, if you're interested.
I do love watching somebody get up on their hind legs.
Quote from: Fidel Castro on September 19, 2012, 02:45:08 PM
I'm down with it.
I have two suggestions, if you're interested.
Thanks. Of course I am interested.
Quote from: holist on September 19, 2012, 03:49:14 PM
Quote from: Fidel Castro on September 19, 2012, 02:45:08 PM
I'm down with it.
I have two suggestions, if you're interested.
Thanks. Of course I am interested.
1. Remember that this is only the interbutt supermarket. It's not worth getting wrapped around the axle.
2. If you want to discuss homeopathy or whatnot, make a thread and discuss it nowhere else. That thread will, of course, go kablooey, but if it's kept THERE, you'll find yourself being shat on a lot less. While discussing it, of course, be prepared to back up your statements in a concrete manner, and remember that you're discussing, not preaching.
Special bonus advice #3: Keep a sense of humor and a very, very thick skin.
It's All Good. :)
And I don't have a burning hatred of alternative medicine, BTW. In many cases, I actually prefer it. Homeopathy just isn't something I've seen any real results with.(Other than Zicam, which probably doesn't really count as homeopathic).
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on September 19, 2012, 12:45:13 PM
Yeah man it'a all good. But,
Quote from: holist on September 19, 2012, 09:52:25 AM
Although the PD board appears to be intentionally designed or naturally evolved to bring out the worst in new-comers
It's not. It just seems that we attract a type of person who acts like that when they first get here.
People liked me here almost immediately, same with Phox. Coyote too.
I don't know what it is. I honestly don't understand why some newbs have a hard time.
Eh, I was accused of being Wade, and trolled by CB, and behaved in a fairly unbiped manner.
Quote from: Guru Qu1x073 on September 19, 2012, 05:45:17 PM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on September 19, 2012, 12:45:13 PM
Yeah man it'a all good. But,
Quote from: holist on September 19, 2012, 09:52:25 AM
Although the PD board appears to be intentionally designed or naturally evolved to bring out the worst in new-comers
It's not. It just seems that we attract a type of person who acts like that when they first get here.
People liked me here almost immediately, same with Phox. Coyote too.
I don't know what it is. I honestly don't understand why some newbs have a hard time.
Eh, I was accused of being Wade, and trolled by CB, and behaved in a fairly unbiped manner.
IIRC, the Richter, Suu, Cram, and Pixie walked in without a scratch.
Quote from: Fidel Castro on September 19, 2012, 05:47:45 PM
Quote from: Guru Qu1x073 on September 19, 2012, 05:45:17 PM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on September 19, 2012, 12:45:13 PM
Yeah man it'a all good. But,
Quote from: holist on September 19, 2012, 09:52:25 AM
Although the PD board appears to be intentionally designed or naturally evolved to bring out the worst in new-comers
It's not. It just seems that we attract a type of person who acts like that when they first get here.
People liked me here almost immediately, same with Phox. Coyote too.
I don't know what it is. I honestly don't understand why some newbs have a hard time.
Eh, I was accused of being Wade, and trolled by CB, and behaved in a fairly unbiped manner.
IIRC, the Richter, Suu, Cram, and Pixie walked in without a scratch.
JUST BECAUSE I'M WELSH!!! :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!:
Quote from: Guru Qu1x073 on September 19, 2012, 05:58:42 PM
Quote from: Fidel Castro on September 19, 2012, 05:47:45 PM
Quote from: Guru Qu1x073 on September 19, 2012, 05:45:17 PM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on September 19, 2012, 12:45:13 PM
Yeah man it'a all good. But,
Quote from: holist on September 19, 2012, 09:52:25 AM
Although the PD board appears to be intentionally designed or naturally evolved to bring out the worst in new-comers
It's not. It just seems that we attract a type of person who acts like that when they first get here.
People liked me here almost immediately, same with Phox. Coyote too.
I don't know what it is. I honestly don't understand why some newbs have a hard time.
Eh, I was accused of being Wade, and trolled by CB, and behaved in a fairly unbiped manner.
IIRC, the Richter, Suu, Cram, and Pixie walked in without a scratch.
JUST BECAUSE I'M WELSH!!! :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!:
That's like saying "Just because" I'm Pol Pot. :lulz:
Apology accepted, Holist, and I will say that my respect for you climbed a good number of notches due to your expression of self-realization. Admitting you were wrong is not only difficult, it's also something I consider one of the most mature and vitally human-being things a person can do. Welcome back, and good luck.
Quote from: Fidel Castro on September 19, 2012, 05:47:45 PM
Quote from: Guru Qu1x073 on September 19, 2012, 05:45:17 PM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on September 19, 2012, 12:45:13 PM
Yeah man it'a all good. But,
Quote from: holist on September 19, 2012, 09:52:25 AM
Although the PD board appears to be intentionally designed or naturally evolved to bring out the worst in new-comers
It's not. It just seems that we attract a type of person who acts like that when they first get here.
People liked me here almost immediately, same with Phox. Coyote too.
I don't know what it is. I honestly don't understand why some newbs have a hard time.
Eh, I was accused of being Wade, and trolled by CB, and behaved in a fairly unbiped manner.
IIRC, the Richter, Suu, Cram, and Pixie walked in without a scratch.
So did I... Mostly, it's just a matter of keeping your head down while you
choose your targets get the lay of the land and get a feel for the place. I did have the advantage of having Suu sit in my kitchen and walk me through some of the more awesome parts of the site (with Richter back-seat driving) before I registered.
Quote from: holist on September 19, 2012, 09:52:25 AM
Dear PD members who currently think I am a shitbag,
First of all, I have given you plenty of reason to think so. I acted like a dickhead and failed to notice this even after several people pointed it out to me, some in great detail (thanks due to Roger, Phox, Nigel, mostly).
tl;dr
May I start over?
Yes.
ETA: In all seriousness, we bear you no malice, accept your apology, and are looking forward to the next 30+ page shit-slinging party that occurs in one of your threads (be it fault of yous or not, it has a 98% chance of happening for tradition alone). But if/when that happens, don't sweat it. You have to do far, far worse than that to end up in "irredeemable shitneck" territory.
P.S. Welcome back, dude.
You already bought the ticket and got strapped in. The ride does vary A LOT.
I myself am still relatively new here and have grown considerably from my experiences.
It is truly worthwhile! <-Pledge only, not a guarantee. No refunds outside the territory of Guam without a receipt. If you reside within Guam the refund will be paid entirely in sea shells equivalent to what you are owed.
Good Fortune to you holist!
Thanks for all the encouragement, people.
Quote from: Fidel Castro on September 19, 2012, 05:47:45 PM
Quote from: Guru Qu1x073 on September 19, 2012, 05:45:17 PM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on September 19, 2012, 12:45:13 PM
Yeah man it'a all good. But,
Quote from: holist on September 19, 2012, 09:52:25 AM
Although the PD board appears to be intentionally designed or naturally evolved to bring out the worst in new-comers
It's not. It just seems that we attract a type of person who acts like that when they first get here.
People liked me here almost immediately, same with Phox. Coyote too.
I don't know what it is. I honestly don't understand why some newbs have a hard time.
Eh, I was accused of being Wade, and trolled by CB, and behaved in a fairly unbiped manner.
IIRC, the Richter, Suu, Cram, and Pixie walked in without a scratch.
Balls. I've been nothing but a model citizen the whole time I've been here, and nobody has ever said so much as a peep to me in anger.
As for you, holist, I'm at least reasonably impressed by the fact that you're able to come to some of those realizations. Seems like a whole lot of people never do. So thanks for acting like a biped, and welcome back.
Quote from: Luna on September 19, 2012, 10:39:40 PM
So did I... Mostly, it's just a matter of keeping your head down while you choose your targets get the lay of the land and get a feel for the place. I did have the advantage of having Suu sit in my kitchen and walk me through some of the more awesome parts of the site (with Richter back-seat driving) before I registered.
As someone new, where does one look for the awesome parts? Is there a page with links to epic threads by topic? Something else?
And what happened here that holist has his tail so far between his legs that it is 3/4ths of the way down his asshole? The fact that this board had this kind of effect on someone new is definitely a red flag for me. New people don't know who's who, your cultural norms and fuck all else. Nice you all were cool after the apology, but man, this thread makes me wonder what the hell is going on here...
Quote from: Ayotollah of Assehollah on September 24, 2012, 12:49:14 AM
Quote from: Luna on September 19, 2012, 10:39:40 PM
So did I... Mostly, it's just a matter of keeping your head down while you choose your targets get the lay of the land and get a feel for the place. I did have the advantage of having Suu sit in my kitchen and walk me through some of the more awesome parts of the site (with Richter back-seat driving) before I registered.
As someone new, where does one look for the awesome parts? Is there a page with links to epic threads by topic? Something else?
And what happened here that holist has his tail so far between his legs that it is 3/4ths of the way down his asshole? The fact that this board had this kind of effect on someone new is definitely a red flag for me. New people don't know who's who, your cultural norms and fuck all else. Nice you all were cool after the apology, but man, this thread makes me wonder what the hell is going on here...
1. Holist isn't new.
2. The good stuff can be found in various boards.
3. What's going on here? Someone was being a jerk, a few months ago and then recently. That person has decided to stop being a jerk. Where, precisely, is the problem?
Quote from: Fidel Castro on September 24, 2012, 01:43:14 AM
1. Holist isn't new.
2. The good stuff can be found in various boards.
3. What's going on here? Someone was being a jerk, a few months ago and then recently. That person has decided to stop being a jerk. Where, precisely, is the problem?
Re: 1-3. Apparently, my ignorance is the problem. Often the case.
Re: 2. Not exactly a finding aid there Rev., but I think I've found an entry point, i.e., that porno thread is definitely in need of a deeper read. After that, I guess I'll just look for longer, newish threads.
Quote from: Ayotollah of Assehollah on September 24, 2012, 03:06:31 AM
Quote from: Fidel Castro on September 24, 2012, 01:43:14 AM
1. Holist isn't new.
2. The good stuff can be found in various boards.
3. What's going on here? Someone was being a jerk, a few months ago and then recently. That person has decided to stop being a jerk. Where, precisely, is the problem?
Re: 1-3. Apparently, my ignorance is the problem. Often the case.
Re: 2. Not exactly a finding aid there Rev., but I think I've found an entry point, i.e., that porno thread is definitely in need of a deeper read. After that, I guess I'll just look for longer, newish threads.
"Good" is relative. There is awesome hiding in a lot of threads, including some that start off with total stupidity. Poke around, pay special attention to any of the old threads that people bump.
Quote from: Fidel Castro on September 24, 2012, 01:43:14 AM
1. Holist isn't new.
Well, new-ish, I reckon. Came in here, picked a fight, called assistance, assistance got bombed out, I got miffed for about six months, came back, started pretty much the same thing, then noticed, thanks to some kind words, now I'm being cautious, is where I'm at now.
Quote from: Fidel Castro on September 24, 2012, 01:43:14 AM
2. The good stuff can be found in various boards.
Indeed it is not hard, topics with a lot of traffic tend to have good in them, though some of it seems cryptic back-slapping/food-fighting but that's prob'ly lack of context.
Quote from: Fidel Castro on September 24, 2012, 01:43:14 AM
3. What's going on here? Someone was being a jerk, a few months ago and then recently. That person has decided to stop being a jerk.
Good summary, that.
Quote from: Ayotollah of Assehollah on September 24, 2012, 12:49:14 AM
And what happened here that holist has his tail so far between his legs that it is 3/4ths of the way down his asshole? The fact that this board had this kind of effect on someone new is definitely a red flag for me. New people don't know who's who, your cultural norms and fuck all else. Nice you all were cool after the apology, but man, this thread makes me wonder what the hell is going on here...
A recipe for you: take a subject that is highly controversial here (anything to do with any kind of woo or critical of the individualistic-rationalistic scientific outlook will do), write a pugnatious OP about it, then defend your thesis belligerently and somewhat vaguely. Take offence at the first set of insults and try to respond in kind. Reap.
Quote from: holist on September 24, 2012, 11:35:19 AM
Quote from: Ayotollah of Assehollah on September 24, 2012, 12:49:14 AM
And what happened here that holist has his tail so far between his legs that it is 3/4ths of the way down his asshole? The fact that this board had this kind of effect on someone new is definitely a red flag for me. New people don't know who's who, your cultural norms and fuck all else. Nice you all were cool after the apology, but man, this thread makes me wonder what the hell is going on here...
A recipe for you: take a subject that is highly controversial here (anything to do with any kind of woo or critical of the individualistic-rationalistic scientific outlook will do), write a pugnatious OP about it, then defend your thesis belligerently and somewhat vaguely. Take offence at the first set of insults and try to respond in kind. Reap.
I think I'm starting to like Holist.
Quote from: Guru Qu1x073 on September 24, 2012, 03:28:42 PM
Quote from: holist on September 24, 2012, 11:35:19 AM
Quote from: Ayotollah of Assehollah on September 24, 2012, 12:49:14 AM
And what happened here that holist has his tail so far between his legs that it is 3/4ths of the way down his asshole? The fact that this board had this kind of effect on someone new is definitely a red flag for me. New people don't know who's who, your cultural norms and fuck all else. Nice you all were cool after the apology, but man, this thread makes me wonder what the hell is going on here...
A recipe for you: take a subject that is highly controversial here (anything to do with any kind of woo or critical of the individualistic-rationalistic scientific outlook will do), write a pugnatious OP about it, then defend your thesis belligerently and somewhat vaguely. Take offence at the first set of insults and try to respond in kind. Reap.
I think I'm starting to like Holist.
Yeah, he's not so bad.
Quote from: holist on September 24, 2012, 11:35:19 AM
Quote from: Ayotollah of Assehollah on September 24, 2012, 12:49:14 AM
And what happened here that holist has his tail so far between his legs that it is 3/4ths of the way down his asshole? The fact that this board had this kind of effect on someone new is definitely a red flag for me. New people don't know who's who, your cultural norms and fuck all else. Nice you all were cool after the apology, but man, this thread makes me wonder what the hell is going on here...
A recipe for you: take a subject that is highly controversial here (anything to do with any kind of woo or critical of the individualistic-rationalistic scientific outlook will do), write a pugnatious OP about it, then defend your thesis belligerently and somewhat vaguely. Take offence at the first set of insults and try to respond in kind. Reap.
:awesome:
Holist is alright. :lulz:
Quote from: holist on September 24, 2012, 11:35:19 AM
Quote from: Ayotollah of Assehollah on September 24, 2012, 12:49:14 AM
And what happened here that holist has his tail so far between his legs that it is 3/4ths of the way down his asshole? The fact that this board had this kind of effect on someone new is definitely a red flag for me. New people don't know who's who, your cultural norms and fuck all else. Nice you all were cool after the apology, but man, this thread makes me wonder what the hell is going on here...
A recipe for you: take a subject that is highly controversial here (anything to do with any kind of woo or critical of the individualistic-rationalistic scientific outlook will do), write a pugnatious OP about it, then defend your thesis belligerently and somewhat vaguely. Take offence at the first set of insults and try to respond in kind. Reap.
:cry: Aww... they catch on
so fast these days.
Good show holist! :lol:
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on September 24, 2012, 08:51:05 PM
Quote from: holist on September 24, 2012, 11:35:19 AM
Quote from: Ayotollah of Assehollah on September 24, 2012, 12:49:14 AM
And what happened here that holist has his tail so far between his legs that it is 3/4ths of the way down his asshole? The fact that this board had this kind of effect on someone new is definitely a red flag for me. New people don't know who's who, your cultural norms and fuck all else. Nice you all were cool after the apology, but man, this thread makes me wonder what the hell is going on here...
A recipe for you: take a subject that is highly controversial here (anything to do with any kind of woo or critical of the individualistic-rationalistic scientific outlook will do), write a pugnatious OP about it, then defend your thesis belligerently and somewhat vaguely. Take offence at the first set of insults and try to respond in kind. Reap.
:cry: Aww... they catch on so fast these days.
Good show holist! :lol:
Well, actually, don't jump the gun just yet! :lulz: :lulz: