Discuss: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/11/24/war-on-men/
QuoteWomen aren't women anymore.
To say gender relations have changed dramatically is an understatement. Ever since the sexual revolution, there has been a profound overhaul in the way men and women interact. Men haven't changed much – they had no revolution that demanded it – but women have changed dramatically.
In a nutshell, women are angry. They're also defensive, though often unknowingly. That's because they've been raised to think of men as the enemy. Armed with this new attitude, women pushed men off their pedestal (women had their own pedestal, but feminists convinced them otherwise) and climbed up to take what they were taught to believe was rightfully theirs.
Now the men have nowhere to go.
It is precisely this dynamic – women good/men bad – that has destroyed the relationship between the sexes. Yet somehow, men are still to blame when love goes awry. Heck, men have been to blame since feminists first took to the streets in the 1970s.
But what if the dearth of good men, and ongoing battle of the sexes, is – hold on to your seats – women's fault?
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/11/24/war-on-men/#ixzz2DDFwyJ7W
You think that's creepy? Try checking out her personal site. She describes herself as an "Author. Speaker. Wife. Mother" and has another website/book called "How To Choose A Husband".
Quote
A teacher-turned author and social critic, Suzanne Venker is, first and foremost, a wife and mother of two school-age children. She has written extensively about politics, parenting, and the influence of feminism on American society. Her articles and posts have appeared in the New York Post, St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Parents.com, Human Events, World Net Daily, CNSnews.com, and others. She also had a personal blog for a year and a half called No Bull Mom.
Suzanne is a frequent guest on HuffPo Live and an occasional contributor to National Review Online. She has appeared on ABC, CNN, FOX, and C-Span — as well as hundreds of radio shows throughout the country, including the Laura Ingraham Show and Dr. James Dobson's Family Talk.
Suzanne's work has been dubbed controversial because of her willingness to take on subjects that are considered "off limits" for public debate. Her first book, 7 Myths of Working Mothers (Spence Publishing, 2004), argues that young children and demanding careers are incompatible. Her second book, The FLIPSIDE of FEMINISM (WND Books, 2011), is an explosive account on the damage left in the wake of the feminist movement. And in How to Choose a Husband, Suzanne takes on her biggest subject yet: the sexual revolution and its effect on marriage and the family.
Suzanne graduated from Boston University in 1990 and lives in St. Louis, MO, with her husband and their two children. She has been profiled in the Webster-Kirkwood Times and the Riverfront Times of St. Louis.
I'm a little surprised that the author is a woman.
Sounds familiar.
There was a preacherman from Alabama at my parent's church earlier this year who was making similar arguments.
I may have a recording of it on an old phone somewhere.
Aren't those the same anti-fem arguments that RAW pointed out to Ayn Rand as being "totally wack" (not a direct quote)??
(Hmm, I know that RAW and Rand's fallout was due to his explaining General Semantics via mathematic notation, and her quipping "I don't believe in math"..... maybe its this I'm thinking of... http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/robert-anton-wilson-natural-law-or-don-t-put-a-rubber-on-your-willy )
:argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!:
:horrormirth:
Mostly straight, white middle-class male me is somehow the victim, and there are people out there who don't immediately dismiss that notion as absurd. :horrormirth:
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on November 25, 2012, 06:52:06 AM
I'm a little surprised that the author is a woman.
I'm not. Many women who have chosen to buy in are the most ardent supporters of patriarchy, because they also have to keep convincing themselves that it's The One True Only Right Way.
I think it feels better on their egos than simply admitting that they prefer to be taken care of.
Quote from: Cain on November 25, 2012, 06:32:17 AM
You think that's creepy? Try checking out her personal site. She describes herself as an "Author. Speaker. Wife. Mother" and has another website/book called "How To Choose A Husband".
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A teacher-turned author and social critic, Suzanne Venker is, first and foremost, a wife and mother of two school-age children. She has written extensively about politics, parenting, and the influence of feminism on American society. Her articles and posts have appeared in the New York Post, St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Parents.com, Human Events, World Net Daily, CNSnews.com, and others. She also had a personal blog for a year and a half called No Bull Mom.
Suzanne is a frequent guest on HuffPo Live and an occasional contributor to National Review Online. She has appeared on ABC, CNN, FOX, and C-Span — as well as hundreds of radio shows throughout the country, including the Laura Ingraham Show and Dr. James Dobson's Family Talk.
Suzanne's work has been dubbed controversial because of her willingness to take on subjects that are considered "off limits" for public debate. Her first book, 7 Myths of Working Mothers (Spence Publishing, 2004), argues that young children and demanding careers are incompatible. Her second book, The FLIPSIDE of FEMINISM (WND Books, 2011), is an explosive account on the damage left in the wake of the feminist movement. And in How to Choose a Husband, Suzanne takes on her biggest subject yet: the sexual revolution and its effect on marriage and the family.
Suzanne graduated from Boston University in 1990 and lives in St. Louis, MO, with her husband and their two children. She has been profiled in the Webster-Kirkwood Times and the Riverfront Times of St. Louis.
Oh lord.
I feel a rage coming on.
"Dear Women,
If you can't find a man to marry, it's because you're SUCCESSFUL in your career. Men's fragile little egos can't handle it if your job pays more than yours does. (That's why it's so hard to find a job that will pay a woman as much as it does a man, it's usually a man setting those pay rates.)
Drop out of college, be "feminine," as men define the word. Take whatever shit they choose to give you, be totally dependent on him to provide for you. Put yourself in a position where you never will dare to leave him, because you have no job, no experience, and no way to support yourselves and your children. Let him stray, when you bore him, let him slap you around, you DESERVED it, after all. Don't worry your pretty little head about thinking, he'll TELL you what to think."
:vom: :vom: :vom: :vom: :vom: :vom: :vom: :vom: :vom: :vom: :vom:
Cue up Kanye West's "Blame Game" and pour the whine.
Quote from: Lenin McCarthy on November 25, 2012, 02:43:27 PM
Mostly straight, white middle-class male me is somehow the victim, and there are people out there who don't immediately dismiss that notion as absurd. :horrormirth:
"What do you MEAN, I can't have everything? I have to settle for
most of everything? THAT'S NOT FAIR!"
Not to even start on how demeaning her position is toward men... see, these poor, hapless creatures really WANT to take care of women, but we insist on being willfully self-sufficient, robbing them of their purpose in life, so they're pissed off at us and, to punish us, are retreating into an extended childhood.
They can't help it, it's INSTINCTIVE.
Just worth noting:
http://blogs.suntimes.com/foreignc/2012/11/post-2.html
Quoteit is my opinion that hollywood has robbed america of its manliness and made us a nation of eunuchs who lacking all manliness welcome in the coming police state.
Also worth noting, the author of that particular sentence does not use capital letters at all during his bizarre diatribe. And he is an "editor-publisher" (read: owner) of the
Niagara Falls Reporter.
Quote from: Cain on November 25, 2012, 11:20:27 PM
Just worth noting:
http://blogs.suntimes.com/foreignc/2012/11/post-2.html
Quoteit is my opinion that hollywood has robbed america of its manliness and made us a nation of eunuchs who lacking all manliness welcome in the coming police state.
Also worth noting, the author of that particular sentence does not use capital letters at all during his bizarre diatribe. And he is an "editor-publisher" (read: owner) of the Niagara Falls Reporter.
What what what
What the hell WAS that? :horrormirth:
Quote from: FROTISTED FUDGE CAK on November 25, 2012, 11:34:52 PM
Quote from: Cain on November 25, 2012, 11:20:27 PM
Just worth noting:
http://blogs.suntimes.com/foreignc/2012/11/post-2.html
Quoteit is my opinion that hollywood has robbed america of its manliness and made us a nation of eunuchs who lacking all manliness welcome in the coming police state.
Also worth noting, the author of that particular sentence does not use capital letters at all during his bizarre diatribe. And he is an "editor-publisher" (read: owner) of the Niagara Falls Reporter.
What what what
What the hell WAS that? :horrormirth:
Oh, I have read a critique of that article here.
http://www.shakesville.com/2012/11/man-notices-misogyny.html
I can't read Melissa McEwan. Her liberalprogressivismturnedninteenthcenturycolonialism (http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2009/12/and-so-president-gave-speech.html) makes me break out in hives.
Quote from: Pixie on November 26, 2012, 12:51:07 AM
Quote from: FROTISTED FUDGE CAK on November 25, 2012, 11:34:52 PM
Quote from: Cain on November 25, 2012, 11:20:27 PM
Just worth noting:
http://blogs.suntimes.com/foreignc/2012/11/post-2.html
Quoteit is my opinion that hollywood has robbed america of its manliness and made us a nation of eunuchs who lacking all manliness welcome in the coming police state.
Also worth noting, the author of that particular sentence does not use capital letters at all during his bizarre diatribe. And he is an "editor-publisher" (read: owner) of the Niagara Falls Reporter.
What what what
What the hell WAS that? :horrormirth:
Oh, I have read a critique of that article here.
http://www.shakesville.com/2012/11/man-notices-misogyny.html
I have some serious problems with her take on things, for a number of reasons. I will try to elucidate in the morning, but it comes down, in a sense, to a sort of privilege. It puts me in mind of a scenario in the American South where a white man, normally sheltered from the actual practice of racism, sees it in practice for the first time, and is horrified and outraged, only to be belittled and shamed by blacks for not having been in a situation to see it before.
That's quite a common tone for her, I will say. Another reason I don't read her, though I believe her mistaking "nation-building" with "military occupation" is reason enough.
Quote from: FROTISTED FUDGE CAK on November 25, 2012, 06:22:37 AM
Discuss: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/11/24/war-on-men/
QuoteWomen aren't women anymore.
To say gender relations have changed dramatically is an understatement. Ever since the sexual revolution, there has been a profound overhaul in the way men and women interact. Men haven't changed much – they had no revolution that demanded it – but women have changed dramatically.
In a nutshell, women are angry. They're also defensive, though often unknowingly. That's because they've been raised to think of men as the enemy. Armed with this new attitude, women pushed men off their pedestal (women had their own pedestal, but feminists convinced them otherwise) and climbed up to take what they were taught to believe was rightfully theirs.
Now the men have nowhere to go.
It is precisely this dynamic – women good/men bad – that has destroyed the relationship between the sexes. Yet somehow, men are still to blame when love goes awry. Heck, men have been to blame since feminists first took to the streets in the 1970s.
But what if the dearth of good men, and ongoing battle of the sexes, is – hold on to your seats – women's fault?
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/11/24/war-on-men/#ixzz2DDFwyJ7W
Wait. Feminists didn't take to the streets until the 1970s?
I guess the suffragettes don't count.
Silly Roger, actual history doesn't matter! Only facts that can be bent until they snap do.
Quote from: FROTISTED FUDGE CAK on November 26, 2012, 07:02:07 AM
Quote from: Pixie on November 26, 2012, 12:51:07 AM
Quote from: FROTISTED FUDGE CAK on November 25, 2012, 11:34:52 PM
Quote from: Cain on November 25, 2012, 11:20:27 PM
Just worth noting:
http://blogs.suntimes.com/foreignc/2012/11/post-2.html
Quoteit is my opinion that hollywood has robbed america of its manliness and made us a nation of eunuchs who lacking all manliness welcome in the coming police state.
Also worth noting, the author of that particular sentence does not use capital letters at all during his bizarre diatribe. And he is an "editor-publisher" (read: owner) of the Niagara Falls Reporter.
What what what
What the hell WAS that? :horrormirth:
Oh, I have read a critique of that article here.
http://www.shakesville.com/2012/11/man-notices-misogyny.html
I have some serious problems with her take on things, for a number of reasons. I will try to elucidate in the morning, but it comes down, in a sense, to a sort of privilege. It puts me in mind of a scenario in the American South where a white man, normally sheltered from the actual practice of racism, sees it in practice for the first time, and is horrified and outraged, only to be belittled and shamed by blacks for not having been in a situation to see it before.
I appreciate that you noticed this.
In the past couple months my own beam of attention has brought to light a lot of these issues that I've never noticed before....something akin to that old "a fish doesn't know he's in water" line. If I never had been exposed to the thoughts and ideas presented by you and the other folks of this board and given time to process it through my own rationality and heart...if I still didn't know I was 'in water' and somehow read Melissa McEwan, there's a strong chance that she might have just tossed another gallon of water in my pool and confirmed my unaware, ill-conceived biases.
So thank you. :)
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on November 26, 2012, 06:16:02 PM
Silly Roger, actual history doesn't matter! Only facts that can be bent until they snap do.
Okay.
Conservativism was invented by Ronald Reagan. Even his Vice President laughed at his ideas.
And the GOP has been nothing but one huge troll ever since.
Quote from: Bu☆ns on November 27, 2012, 07:41:41 AM
Quote from: FROTISTED FUDGE CAK on November 26, 2012, 07:02:07 AM
Quote from: Pixie on November 26, 2012, 12:51:07 AM
Quote from: FROTISTED FUDGE CAK on November 25, 2012, 11:34:52 PM
Quote from: Cain on November 25, 2012, 11:20:27 PM
Just worth noting:
http://blogs.suntimes.com/foreignc/2012/11/post-2.html
Quoteit is my opinion that hollywood has robbed america of its manliness and made us a nation of eunuchs who lacking all manliness welcome in the coming police state.
Also worth noting, the author of that particular sentence does not use capital letters at all during his bizarre diatribe. And he is an "editor-publisher" (read: owner) of the Niagara Falls Reporter.
What what what
What the hell WAS that? :horrormirth:
Oh, I have read a critique of that article here.
http://www.shakesville.com/2012/11/man-notices-misogyny.html
I have some serious problems with her take on things, for a number of reasons. I will try to elucidate in the morning, but it comes down, in a sense, to a sort of privilege. It puts me in mind of a scenario in the American South where a white man, normally sheltered from the actual practice of racism, sees it in practice for the first time, and is horrified and outraged, only to be belittled and shamed by blacks for not having been in a situation to see it before.
I appreciate that you noticed this.
In the past couple months my own beam of attention has brought to light a lot of these issues that I've never noticed before....something akin to that old "a fish doesn't know he's in water" line. If I never had been exposed to the thoughts and ideas presented by you and the other folks of this board and given time to process it through my own rationality and heart...if I still didn't know I was 'in water' and somehow read Melissa McEwan, there's a strong chance that she might have just tossed another gallon of water in my pool and confirmed my unaware, ill-conceived biases.
So thank you. :)
:) You're welcome!
While I can't put a finger on it as confidantly as this article does, I do whole-heartedly agree there's someting strange a happenings...
Alot of modern women I've interacted with have been very unaware of true maleness, very loud and simple ideas of what it means to be a man.
and honestly a great lack in interest in learning anything beyond their current knowlege. There seems to be an engrained "I am great and totally not crazy...at all" mentality in women that I'm inclined to just let it be and let them see how that works out...because I don't think there is reasoning with these creatures.
Quote from: McMegaDeff on November 28, 2012, 06:46:29 AM
While I can't put a finger on it as confidantly as this article does, I do whole-heartedly agree there's someting strange a happenings...
Alot of modern women I've interacted with have been very unaware of true maleness, very loud and simple ideas of what it means to be a man.
and honestly a great lack in interest in learning anything beyond their current knowlege. There seems to be an engrained "I am great and totally not crazy...at all" mentality in women that I'm inclined to just let it be and let them see how that works out...because I don't think there is reasoning with these creatures.
Ummm. Do you not know where you are, or are you trolling? :lulz:
Quote from: Doktor D. Jennifer Phox on November 28, 2012, 07:01:38 AM
Quote from: McMegaDeff on November 28, 2012, 06:46:29 AM
While I can't put a finger on it as confidantly as this article does, I do whole-heartedly agree there's someting strange a happenings...
Alot of modern women I've interacted with have been very unaware of true maleness, very loud and simple ideas of what it means to be a man.
and honestly a great lack in interest in learning anything beyond their current knowlege. There seems to be an engrained "I am great and totally not crazy...at all" mentality in women that I'm inclined to just let it be and let them see how that works out...because I don't think there is reasoning with these creatures.
Ummm. Do you not know where you are, or are you trolling? :lulz:
Hard to tell. Marginally borderline.
The two new folks have achieved my fastest plegde ever.
Quote from: McMegaDeff on November 28, 2012, 06:46:29 AM
While I can't put a finger on it as confidantly as this article does, I do whole-heartedly agree there's someting strange a happenings...
Alot of modern women I've interacted with have been very unaware of true maleness, very loud and simple ideas of what it means to be a man.
and honestly a great lack in interest in learning anything beyond their current knowlege. There seems to be an engrained "I am great and totally not crazy...at all" mentality in women that I'm inclined to just let it be and let them see how that works out...because I don't think there is reasoning with these creatures.
7/10. The East German judge ROBBED you, man.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 28, 2012, 01:45:43 PM
The two new folks have achieved my fastest plegde ever.
Yeah, iwas still giving them the benefit of the doubt, but.. .goddamn man.
Quote from: McMegaDeff on November 28, 2012, 06:46:29 AM
While I can't put a finger on it as confidantly as this article does, I do whole-heartedly agree there's someting strange a happenings...
Alot of modern women I've interacted with have been very unaware of true maleness, very loud and simple ideas of what it means to be a man.
and honestly a great lack in interest in learning anything beyond their current knowlege. There seems to be an engrained "I am great and totally not crazy...at all" mentality in women that I'm inclined to just let it be and let them see how that works out...because I don't think there is reasoning with these creatures.
Oh boy. :lulz:
Other than having a dick, what the fuck is this "true maleness" bullshit?
Seriously. This guy can just get kicked in the dick until his balls explode. And then someone should rip off his balls and rip his eyeballs out of their sockets and put his balls where his eyeballs should go and his eyeballs where his balls should go.
FROM SPACE.
It's the only way to be sure.
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on November 28, 2012, 10:31:32 PM
Quote from: McMegaDeff on November 28, 2012, 06:46:29 AM
While I can't put a finger on it as confidantly as this article does, I do whole-heartedly agree there's someting strange a happenings...
Alot of modern women I've interacted with have been very unaware of true maleness, very loud and simple ideas of what it means to be a man.
and honestly a great lack in interest in learning anything beyond their current knowlege. There seems to be an engrained "I am great and totally not crazy...at all" mentality in women that I'm inclined to just let it be and let them see how that works out...because I don't think there is reasoning with these creatures.
Oh boy. :lulz:
There goes my blood pressure,
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on November 29, 2012, 04:57:59 AM
Other than having a dick, what the fuck is this "true maleness" bullshit?
Seriously. This guy can just get kicked in the dick until his balls explode. And then someone should rip off his balls and rip his eyeballs out of their sockets and put his balls where his eyeballs should go and his eyeballs where his balls should go.
FROM SPACE.
It's the only way to be sure.
Seems as though Freeky saved me the bother,
with style. PLEDGE!
Quote from: Pixie on November 29, 2012, 04:06:39 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on November 29, 2012, 04:57:59 AM
Other than having a dick, what the fuck is this "true maleness" bullshit?
Seriously. This guy can just get kicked in the dick until his balls explode. And then someone should rip off his balls and rip his eyeballs out of their sockets and put his balls where his eyeballs should go and his eyeballs where his balls should go.
FROM SPACE.
It's the only way to be sure.
Seems as though Freeky saved me the bother, with style. PLEDGE!
You can thank Cards Against Humanity for that one. :lulz:
Fuck manliness ('cause traditional "manliness" relies on the subordination of women, which, uh, it sounds like you're for, if you're accusing all women of being crazy). Fuck gender expectations. True personhood is the route of the biped.
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on November 29, 2012, 05:47:31 PM
'cause traditional "manliness" relies on the subordination of women, which, uh, it sounds like you're for,
I like how he specifies "modern women." :lulz: What a little shitheaded twerp.
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on November 29, 2012, 05:47:31 PM
Fuck manliness ('cause traditional "manliness" relies on the subordination of women, which, uh, it sounds like you're for, if you're accusing all women of being crazy). Fuck gender expectations. True personhood is the route of the biped.
And would you do away with gender altogether? Treat it like an accident of biology? Or is there some kind of room/role for it in a Modern Society of Bipeds
TM?
Not to be too circumspect about it, I think there are deep, interesting, worthy-of-investigation differences in the manner in which females and males (and other genders) aspire to and achieve true personhood.
I also think that in his troglodite manner, our trollific friend is actually gesturing at those.
Quote from: holist on November 30, 2012, 10:24:50 AM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on November 29, 2012, 05:47:31 PM
Fuck manliness ('cause traditional "manliness" relies on the subordination of women, which, uh, it sounds like you're for, if you're accusing all women of being crazy). Fuck gender expectations. True personhood is the route of the biped.
And would you do away with gender altogether? Treat it like an accident of biology? Or is there some kind of room/role for it in a Modern Society of BipedsTM?
Not to be too circumspect about it, I think there are deep, interesting, worthy-of-investigation differences in the manner in which females and males (and other genders) aspire to and achieve true personhood.
I also think that in his troglodite manner, our trollific friend is actually gesturing at those.
you can't reduce gender to simply biology though. There is a cultural and sociological aspect that I think plays more of a role, overall, than biology.
and he used the "LOL, BITCHES THEY ALL BE CRAZY" sexist assed trope, therefore I ignore him, because he's a sexist jackass and a bitter little entitled douchenozzle.
also this:- http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15978839 which actually means that HIS brain is registering women as "being emotional" because women's voices in men activate the emotional centres. Dude needs to stop projecting.
Quote from: Pixie on November 30, 2012, 11:43:57 AM
you can't reduce gender to simply biology though. There is a cultural and sociological aspect that I think plays more of a role, overall, than biology.
Of course not, I was just lazy in expressing myself. What I was after was simply "are true persons gendered?" (and does the exploration of the phenomenon of gender furnish useful information to those wishing to be true persons?)
Quote from: Pixie on November 30, 2012, 11:43:57 AM
and he used the "LOL, BITCHES THEY ALL BE CRAZY" sexist assed trope, therefore I ignore him, because he's a sexist jackass and a bitter little entitled douchenozzle.
I don't think that follows at all. Apart from the fact that he is in all likelihood trolling with some hidden grudge/agenda, using some version of that "trope" (sorry, for some reason I find that word so pretentious, no offence :) ) I don't think is sufficient evidence that the person speaking is either a sexist jackass (he could be reporting quite impartially from some unfortunate place where most the bitches do indeed seem crazy - places, actually, where the dudes don't come off looking any better, either), or that he is bitter, or entitled. This sort of mindless, habitual sexism, I think you'll find, is endemic in several rarely bitter (though often bloody weird) and not in the least "entitled" segments of the global population. Douchenozzle... well I don't know about that. I imagine he might aspire to be one...
Quote from: Pixie on November 30, 2012, 11:43:57 AM
also this:- http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15978839 which actually means that HIS brain is registering women as "being emotional" because women's voices in men activate the emotional centres. Dude needs to stop projecting.
That's just such a pointless explanation, what does it add? Given that we are implemented in biophysical reality, it's almost a tautology that when a voice, any voice, evokes emotion in someone (anyone), then their "emotional centres" are active. That is, after all, to the best of our current knowledge, what we call being emotional.
TL:DR
Holist; DR