Hey buddy.
If you think depression is cool, you're DOING IT WRONG.
Feeling just a little sad, or cynical or nihilistic isn't depression.
Call me back when you've woken up in the morning one day and your bed is a trench a thousand feet deep with steep cliffs on all sides,
you have no motivation to do anything whatsoever, your life, your friends, your family, your education, your work and all the little things you usually enjoy mean absolutely nothing to you, you feel like just ceasing to exist forever.
Depressions can ruin large parts of your life, or it can be a wake-up call for a change in lifestyle. It may or may not help you get a more accurate view of the universe. But generally it's just a really shitty thing to go through.
Please stop belittling mental illness by wearing faux-depressions to appear "cool" or "intellectual" OR I WILL KILL A MOTHERFUCKER.
OR KILL ME.
:hi5: You and me both. I want to tear those people a new asshole or three.
Quote from: Lenin McCarthy on November 26, 2012, 01:42:53 PM
Hey buddy.
If you think depression is cool, you're DOING IT WRONG.
Feeling just a little sad, or cynical or nihilistic isn't depression.
Call me back when you've woken up in the morning one day and your bed is a trench a thousand feet deep with steep cliffs on all sides,
you have no motivation to do anything whatsoever, your life, your friends, your family, your education, your work and all the little things you usually enjoy mean absolutely nothing to you, you feel like just ceasing to exist forever.
Depressions can ruin large parts of your life, or it can be a wake-up call for a change in lifestyle. It may or may not help you get a more accurate view of the universe. But generally it's just a really shitty thing to go through.
Please stop belittling mental illness by wearing faux-depressions to appear "cool" or "intellectual" OR I WILL KILL A MOTHERFUCKER.
OR KILL ME.
The bolded pretty much sum what it actually feels like. You don't even feel like dying because that's also doing something, whether you're the agent for it or not. No, you want to stay in that trench, in that nice bit of oblivion between your last waking thought and your first dream.
I've never had that. I'm either ass-on-fire angry, or blisteringly horny, or laughing til my guts bleed, etc. I'm stuck on manic. I think I may be very lucky in this regard.
Having had both ends, I think they suck equally. Mania grinds a person into dust. Depression dissolves them.
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on November 26, 2012, 06:14:59 PM
Having had both ends, I think they suck equally. Mania grinds a person into dust. Depression dissolves them.
Fortunately, I don't seem to be running out of person. Or at least pills.
I hit the one month mark of a mania (because, haha, I'm an idiot and didn't realize that the anti-d I was on at the time was the problem) and was frayed enough at the edges that I wrecked a car.
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on November 26, 2012, 06:30:41 PM
I hit the one month mark of a mania (because, haha, I'm an idiot and didn't realize that the anti-d I was on at the time was the problem) and was frayed enough at the edges that I wrecked a car.
Yeah, my jeep is in pretty fucked up shape because of that. Also, I am banned from many fine venues in Tucson...But that's a pretty low price to pay for having the
right kind of fun, even if it shortens my lifespan.
I don't mind that kind of fun. I mind the fact that I can't sleep, hallucinate, and am so jittery and on edge that I can't sit still. It kinda makes it hard to have actual fun.
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on November 26, 2012, 06:39:35 PM
I don't mind that kind of fun. I mind the fact that I can't sleep, hallucinate, and am so jittery and on edge that I can't sit still. It kinda makes it hard to have actual fun.
Well, yeah. That's what the pills are for (I can't sleep a wink without 'em, no shit, sometimes I'd go 50 hours or more...Nothing more "fun" than screaming at the ceiling all night & day). Never hallucinated outside of extreme sleep deprivation, though. My biggest problem tends to be "annoying the fuck out of my friends" when I'm feeling particularly "up".
It's all minor, shadows I see out of the corner of my eye (although they were larger and more frequent when I was on zoloft or whatever it was). I know what it is, so it's never been more than a minor annoyance, but giving myself whiplash from jerking around instinctively (lion in the tall grass?) is unpleasant.
That sounds more like hypomanias, which happen once in a while. I don't like them much either, because it means my brain chemistry is all out of whack, but they're waaay more tolerable than actual manias. Like, I actually understand why some people get off their meds for them, even though I think that's insanely foolish.
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on November 26, 2012, 06:48:16 PM
It's all minor, shadows I see out of the corner of my eye (although they were larger and more frequent when I was on zoloft or whatever it was). I know what it is, so it's never been more than a minor annoyance, but giving myself whiplash from jerking around instinctively (lion in the tall grass?) is unpleasant.
That sounds more like hypomanias, which happen once in a while. I don't like them much either, because it means my brain chemistry is all out of whack, but they're waaay more tolerable than actual manias. Like, I actually understand why some people get off their meds for them, even though I think that's insanely foolish.
I get that when I'm tired. A piece of paper fluttering in the wind is a snake, etc.
And I don't think I'm actually "clinically" manic (usually)...Though I wouldn't really know if I was, I suppose. I just have a "loud" personality.
I'm actually (very mildly) bipolar. The occasional spike of paranoia (had one of those this summer, those are always fun), every couple years an up, and once in a while a depressive phase.
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on November 26, 2012, 07:05:20 PM
I'm actually (very mildly) bipolar. The occasional spike of paranoia (had one of those this summer, those are always fun), every couple years an up, and once in a while a depressive phase.
I think, if I HAD to diagnose myself, I'm an "asshole". Sometimes there just isn't a need for a clinical name, you know? My moods are almost entirely dictated by how much sleep I get, and what shape I keep myself in. Right now I'm sleeping okay, and I'm shedding pounds (again), but I'm still way out of shape. So my mood is about average. For me.
Haven't you been professionally diagnosed as an asshole?
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 26, 2012, 07:10:23 PM
Haven't you been professionally diagnosed as an asshole?
Yes, but that was by a military psychaitrist, who - as everyone knows - cannot be trusted.
I'm in an indeterminate state. A quantum taint, if you like.
:lulz: I remember that.
Schrodinger's colon.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 26, 2012, 07:39:36 PM
Schrodinger's colon.
You can't tell if it's poop or not until you open the sphincter. Then the universe has to make a decision, and - in my case, anyway - the whole thing collapses.
It's not a pretty sight.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 26, 2012, 07:44:13 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 26, 2012, 07:39:36 PM
Schrodinger's colon.
You can't tell if it's poop or not until you open the sphincter. Then the universe has to make a decision, and - in my case, anyway - the whole thing collapses.
It's not a pretty sight.
:lulz:
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on November 26, 2012, 04:59:42 PM
The bolded pretty much sum what it actually feels like. You don't even feel like dying because that's also doing something, whether you're the agent for it or not. No, you want to stay in that trench, in that nice bit of oblivion between your last waking thought and your first dream.
Exactly. I'm in a better place now, but in the last month I've had three or four days when I never even got myself to school because of that.
Quote from: Lenin McCarthy on November 26, 2012, 09:52:35 PM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on November 26, 2012, 04:59:42 PM
The bolded pretty much sum what it actually feels like. You don't even feel like dying because that's also doing something, whether you're the agent for it or not. No, you want to stay in that trench, in that nice bit of oblivion between your last waking thought and your first dream.
Exactly. I'm in a better place now, but in the last month I've had three or four days when I never even got myself to school because of that.
It was like that for me too. I wouldn't go to work until Friday sometimes.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 26, 2012, 07:20:02 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 26, 2012, 07:10:23 PM
Haven't you been professionally diagnosed as an asshole?
Yes, but that was by a military psychaitrist, who - as everyone knows - cannot be trusted.
I'm in an indeterminate state. A quantum taint, if you like.
:lulz:
I had depression once. I've had The Fear my entire life, and I've had long periods where I was gripped with grief and despair, but grief and despair are feelings. They're feelings that suck, and feelings that can motivate insanely self-destructive behavior, but they are feelings nonetheless. Depression is so completely different, and so completely impossible to really describe to anyone who hasn't had it. For me, someone who has lived her entire life balls-to-the-wall whether I'm madly in love or madly heartbroken or in a creative frenzy or destroying myself with whiskey, it was terrifying. Eventually, I pulled out of it, and I'm not entirely sure how or why but I think it was a combination of therapy and serotonin precursor supplements and being too sick to drink and changing my entire life by going back to school, but my personality seems to have been permanently altered. Not in a bad way, but sometimes I really miss the exhilarating rush of being the old me all the time, TAKING IT TO THE WALL. THIS LOOKS BAD, MIGHT AS WELL JUMP IN WITH BOTH FEET WOOOOOOOO JUST HOW WRONG CAN THIS GO?
On the other hand, now I can sleep.
Quote from: FROTISTED FUDGE CAK on November 26, 2012, 11:00:33 PM
I had depression once. I've had The Fear my entire life, and I've had long periods where I was gripped with grief and despair, but grief and despair are feelings.
This is a HUGE distinction. Being unhappy or afraid != depression.
Not that I have to tell anyone here that.
I've been horribly, horribly miserable but never quite at that apathetic depressive place.
I keep snapping back. This is a blessing and a curse. I can be happy with very little, and I'm not a person people feel sympathy for. When I was laid up I had visions of myself as one of those fucked up crippled people on the sidewalk that nobody even talks to, and how people would say "She's HAPPY like that." :P
I've been depressed. I've been hypomanic. A lot of people hate hypomania. Not me - I fucking love it! There is no better high available anywhere. Don't even try. There's no point. Nothing comes within a billion light years. I know this. I also know better than to indulge it. It is something I could make happen very easily. That notion makes me, not exactly nervous but very very aware of mental RPM.
Depression, on the other hand, isn't something I do. It's more something that happens to me if I don't do enough. It's quicksand but thick like glue. I need to keep moving or I'll get stuck in it and sink. So I keep moving, living, laughing, crying, screaming. Keep the revs high. But no too high.
I will say depression has led me to places I'd have never gone had I been content with life more often. In a way I think I've liked more intensely. For ever low there was an equal high, that sort of thing...
and then there's medication and the horrid state of american psychiatry....
This all sparked in my a healthy distrust for alot of things...at times full on hallucinatory and paranoid, but now after some time distilling it all I've come to a very self created freedom. I learned that standard medication is weird, ineffective and just way more harmful than any authority will tell you...
I learned about nutrients and herbs and alechemical medicine...all because of my initial disatisfaction with life...
I think it was plato who wrote about the splinter in his mind...the feeling that something wasn't righjt that kept him ever searching...
- -I'm mild high horsing having two weeks off psyche meds and a year off dope, but whatever it is that makes me the way I am...I've gotten better at it...Like a bird that learned to fly...
*the more you know*~~*shooting stars*~~* unicorns ~~* pixie dust
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on November 27, 2012, 06:05:54 PM
I've been depressed. I've been hypomanic. A lot of people hate hypomania. Not me - I fucking love it! There is no better high available anywhere. Don't even try. There's no point. Nothing comes within a billion light years. I know this. I also know better than to indulge it. It is something I could make happen very easily. That notion makes me, not exactly nervous but very very aware of mental RPM.
Depression, on the other hand, isn't something I do. It's more something that happens to me if I don't do enough. It's quicksand but thick like glue. I need to keep moving or I'll get stuck in it and sink. So I keep moving, living, laughing, crying, screaming. Keep the revs high. But no too high.
Funny thing is (and I'm sorry if simply being addressed by me is cause for offence), that's a description of my life. Too. Except that I'm not sure I've stopped doing depression, because every time I am hypomanic I tend to think so, to hope so, to even congratulate myself on, and then...
Quote from: McMegaDeff on November 28, 2012, 06:20:11 AM
I will say depression has led me to places I'd have never gone had I been content with life more often. In a way I think I've liked more intensely. For ever low there was an equal high, that sort of thing...
and then there's medication and the horrid state of american psychiatry....
This all sparked in my a healthy distrust for alot of things...at times full on hallucinatory and paranoid, but now after some time distilling it all I've come to a very self created freedom. I learned that standard medication is weird, ineffective and just way more harmful than any authority will tell you...
I learned about nutrients and herbs and alechemical medicine...all because of my initial disatisfaction with life...
I think it was plato who wrote about the splinter in his mind...the feeling that something wasn't righjt that kept him ever searching...
- -I'm mild high horsing having two weeks off psyche meds and a year off dope, but whatever it is that makes me the way I am...I've gotten better at it...Like a bird that learned to fly...
*the more you know*~~*shooting stars*~~* unicorns ~~* pixie dust
you are trolling, aren't you?
:lulz:
Quote from: McMegaDeff on November 28, 2012, 06:20:11 AM
and then there's medication and the horrid state of american psychiatry....
Oh, hai! Do you
understand the history of psychiatry? Because I don't.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 28, 2012, 02:21:31 PM
Quote from: McMegaDeff on November 28, 2012, 06:20:11 AM
and then there's medication and the horrid state of american psychiatry....
Oh, hai! Do you understand the history of psychiatry? Because I don't.
I'm getting there, and it's very :lulz: :horrormirth: :lulz:
Basically, psychiatry has roots in the medical treatment of the mentally ill and retarded. Then you had a guy about 150 years ago suggest that you could study the human mind as a science, and things got reallllly fucking weird. Medical doctors wanted a piece of the pie so they invented a medical subspecialty that heavily utilizes psychological research and theory for treatment of psychiatric illnesses. With the advent of neuroscience shit really started getting heavy and psychology finally started to converge with laboratory science.
Shit's gonna get really real in the next decade or so, dawgs. Psychology to neuroscience is already starting to look like alchemy to modern chemistry... sure, they were on the right track, but BAM, NOW IT'S SCIENCE FOR REAL, BITCHES.
NIGEL WANT YOUR BRAINS, BITCHES.
I'll tell YOU why you're that guy that sucks, plus you got depression.
Quote from: FROTISTED FUDGE CAK on November 28, 2012, 03:25:33 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 28, 2012, 02:21:31 PM
Quote from: McMegaDeff on November 28, 2012, 06:20:11 AM
and then there's medication and the horrid state of american psychiatry....
Oh, hai! Do you understand the history of psychiatry? Because I don't.
I'm getting there, and it's very :lulz: :horrormirth: :lulz:
Basically, psychiatry has roots in the medical treatment of the mentally ill and retarded. Then you had a guy about 150 years ago suggest that you could study the human mind as a science, and things got reallllly fucking weird. Medical doctors wanted a piece of the pie so they invented a medical subspecialty that heavily utilizes psychological research and theory for treatment of psychiatric illnesses. With the advent of neuroscience shit really started getting heavy and psychology finally started to converge with laboratory science.
Shit's gonna get really real in the next decade or so, dawgs. Psychology to neuroscience is already starting to look like alchemy to modern chemistry... sure, they were on the right track, but BAM, NOW IT'S SCIENCE FOR REAL, BITCHES.
Here's what I was never clear on - Psychiatrists v's Psychologists. I only ever had a psychiatrist. The approach was - "whazzup dawg?" ... "Hmm, well I don't believe you - eat these pills or we'll lock you back up" ... "What's that? The pills are fucking you up completely? Okay, how 'bout you take twice as many and report back" - wash. rinse. repeat. escape...
OTO I've spoken to people who got a psychologist instead and I got the impression they had helped in some way. WTF? :argh!:
Talk therapy can be useful, sometimes.
Also, that psychiatrist sounds like an asshole. I would have thought s/he/they would've tried something else if it didn't work.
From what I remember of his back story, P3nt was a "guest of the State" at the time, and so the doctor probably didn't give a shit.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on November 28, 2012, 05:18:03 PM
Here's what I was never clear on - Psychiatrists v's Psychologists.
The former are doctors and can prescribe drugs. The latter are not and can't, and are thus forced to look for root causes of behavior and possible solutions.
Note that both approaches are perfectly valid, depending on what the problem actually IS.
If you're schitzophrenic, a psychologist isn't going to help you at all.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 28, 2012, 05:32:52 PM
From what I remember of his back story, P3nt was a "guest of the State" at the time, and so the doctor probably didn't give a shit.
Ah, yes, then I imagine so.
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on November 28, 2012, 05:29:00 PM
Talk therapy can be useful, sometimes.
Also, that psychiatrist sounds like an asshole. I would have thought s/he/they would've tried something else if it didn't work.
I'm pretty sure what happened was the drug reps assured him it would work, I just had to take a fuckload more. Which led me to wonder whether the shrink was actually qualified to do his job, which led me to investigate some of the stuff shrinks are taught, which led me to :eek: :horrormirth: :kingmeh: :argh!:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 28, 2012, 05:42:55 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on November 28, 2012, 05:18:03 PM
Here's what I was never clear on - Psychiatrists v's Psychologists.
The former are doctors and can prescribe drugs. The latter are not and can't, and are thus forced to look for root causes of behavior and possible solutions.
Note that both approaches are perfectly valid, depending on what the problem actually IS.
If you're schitzophrenic, a psychologist isn't going to help you at all.
Ha! Yes - this makes perfect sense. Just like "normal" doctors, occasionally you get one that does fuck all but writes endless scripts for antibiotics, I guess I got the shrink who just chucks Haliperidol at the problem until it goes away.
Well fuck you shrink, I has new superpsychosis what has developed immunity to the effects of antipsychotics :evil:
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on November 28, 2012, 08:19:22 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on November 28, 2012, 05:29:00 PM
Talk therapy can be useful, sometimes.
Also, that psychiatrist sounds like an asshole. I would have thought s/he/they would've tried something else if it didn't work.
I'm pretty sure what happened was the drug reps assured him it would work, I just had to take a fuckload more. Which led me to wonder whether the shrink was actually qualified to do his job, which led me to investigate some of the stuff shrinks are taught, which led me to :eek: :horrormirth: :kingmeh: :argh!:
Oh gross. Care to share? do you know if it's the same way there that it was then?
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on November 28, 2012, 09:06:58 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on November 28, 2012, 08:19:22 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on November 28, 2012, 05:29:00 PM
Talk therapy can be useful, sometimes.
Also, that psychiatrist sounds like an asshole. I would have thought s/he/they would've tried something else if it didn't work.
I'm pretty sure what happened was the drug reps assured him it would work, I just had to take a fuckload more. Which led me to wonder whether the shrink was actually qualified to do his job, which led me to investigate some of the stuff shrinks are taught, which led me to :eek: :horrormirth: :kingmeh: :argh!:
Oh gross. Care to share? do you know if it's the same way there that it was then?
First time I was in (late 80's) they put me on a program which apparently was common as fuck at the time and seemed to be modelled on the game spin the bottle - basically they pump you full of one thing after another and, if you stop acting like a nutter they keep you on whatever they gave you last. Kinda like diagnosis without actually, y'know, the diagnostic part. For the purposes of the exercise reducing the patient to a semi comatose cabbage is seen as a successful cure, since inability to chew food means inability to act out in whatever symptomatic fashion had got us into this predicament in the first place. I got a lucky escape from that program by successfully bullshitting the medical professional who was tasked with assessing my mental state.
Second time I got Haliperidol which was supposed to calm me down. The effect was actually more akin to that of a massive hit of cocaine which left me unable to sleep, concentrate or even sit down long enough to stop pacing around, with a side order of muscle spasms that felt like someone was tying my spine in a knot. After a week of this I get an interview with the medical professional and explained that the Haliperidol wasn't working. She looked at the staff reports which backed up my assertion and decide that the best course of action was to up the dosage.
Higher dose had the utterly unexpected effect of making it worse. I say unexpected, I mean by the medical professional, everyone else just kinda nodded dumbly and said "well duh!" Except me. I said "Well duh!" but I was having a bit of trouble nodding on account of the back of my head felt like it was permanently attached to my fucking shoulders at this point. Another weekly meeting with the shrink didn't go as well as the previous week on account of I couldn't actually bring myself to sit down at all. I'd lost about 2 stone by this point.
This was where the medical professional decided that what was required was to up the dosage. Coincidentally, this is the point where I came to the conclusion that medical professionals were no more use to me than sanitation engineers, hairdressers or double glazing salesmen, given that my problem was psychological in nature and therefore beyond the expertise of someone who's profession was only capable of saying "more pills" in spite of all available evidence to the contrary. Kinda like how much use a professional firefighter would be to me in a situation where my house was on fire and he'd had this great idea to try and fix it by pouring petrol on it.
"The petrol has made it worse!"
"Yes I can see that. Lets try more petrol."
"nope that's made it even worse"
"I think I see the problem. We're not putting enough petrol on there"
Again I managed to extricate myself by gaming the reviews, puking up the pills and getting enough of a grip to get the section lifted. They gave me a CPN - community psychiatric nurse who's job it was to come round and make sure I was okay. After the first visit almost led to me being re-sectioned I made a point of being very fucking stoned and lying through my teeth every time she came around. It took a year and change but I managed to fix my head, once I managed to get the medical professionals out of the loop.
I don't know what the fuck the situation is like now and I do know people who got treated at that time who swear it helped so this is my story and my story only but it'll hopefully go some way to explaining why my view of psychiatrists is that they are no fucking use to me.
Yowezer, Pent! D: Yeah, that sounds like a really fucking appalling system and I'm glad you were able to game it.
LOL, yeah. Was an interesting experience. Conning someone when you're batshit crazy is kinda like trying to juggle when you're blind drunk. Takes a bit of practice :lol:
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on November 28, 2012, 08:23:22 PM
I guess I got the shrink who just chucks Haliperidol at the problem until it goes away.
I've been on Herpiderpidol since I met my wife.
:fap:
That shit does really fucking bad things to me, none of which involve relaxing or calming down. One of the common side effects is muscle spasms. If you never had them (which is also common) then think yourself lucky. If you do get them they'll give you a procycledine chaser. I never worked out if it was the haliperidol or the procycledine or the combined effect but take a shot of really good tequilla and wash it down with 20-30 kilos of low grade speed and you'll have a rough idea just how tranquilised I felt. :evilmad:
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on November 28, 2012, 05:18:03 PM
Quote from: FROTISTED FUDGE CAK on November 28, 2012, 03:25:33 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 28, 2012, 02:21:31 PM
Quote from: McMegaDeff on November 28, 2012, 06:20:11 AM
and then there's medication and the horrid state of american psychiatry....
Oh, hai! Do you understand the history of psychiatry? Because I don't.
I'm getting there, and it's very :lulz: :horrormirth: :lulz:
Basically, psychiatry has roots in the medical treatment of the mentally ill and retarded. Then you had a guy about 150 years ago suggest that you could study the human mind as a science, and things got reallllly fucking weird. Medical doctors wanted a piece of the pie so they invented a medical subspecialty that heavily utilizes psychological research and theory for treatment of psychiatric illnesses. With the advent of neuroscience shit really started getting heavy and psychology finally started to converge with laboratory science.
Shit's gonna get really real in the next decade or so, dawgs. Psychology to neuroscience is already starting to look like alchemy to modern chemistry... sure, they were on the right track, but BAM, NOW IT'S SCIENCE FOR REAL, BITCHES.
Here's what I was never clear on - Psychiatrists v's Psychologists. I only ever had a psychiatrist. The approach was - "whazzup dawg?" ... "Hmm, well I don't believe you - eat these pills or we'll lock you back up" ... "What's that? The pills are fucking you up completely? Okay, how 'bout you take twice as many and report back" - wash. rinse. repeat. escape...
OTO I've spoken to people who got a psychologist instead and I got the impression they had helped in some way. WTF? :argh!:
Psychiatrists are medical doctors, trained to approach mental health issues from a medical perspective. This is not always the most helpful perspective, especially since most medical doctors don't feel like they're doing their job unless they do something which affects your meat, like cutting you or giving you drugs.
Psychologists are researchers, trained to label, measure, and catalogue everything they can objectively observe about the workings of the human mind. Some of them become therapists, but most of them do research. Many of them work on developing theories on therapies for mental health issues that are oriented toward training the headmeat to fix itself, which they then test through experimentation. Lucky test subjects!
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on November 28, 2012, 11:33:15 PM
That shit does really fucking bad things to me, none of which involve relaxing or calming down. One of the common side effects is muscle spasms. If you never had them (which is also common) then think yourself lucky. If you do get them they'll give you a procycledine chaser. I never worked out if it was the haliperidol or the procycledine or the combined effect but take a shot of really good tequilla and wash it down with 20-30 kilos of low grade speed and you'll have a rough idea just how tranquilised I felt. :evilmad:
Please to read my post more carefully. :lol:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 28, 2012, 11:24:27 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on November 28, 2012, 08:23:22 PM
I guess I got the shrink who just chucks Haliperidol at the problem until it goes away.
I've been on Herpiderpidol since I met my wife.
:fap:
HERPIDERPIDOL: REALLY WORKS.
Quote from: FROTISTED FUDGE CAK on November 29, 2012, 02:45:46 AM
Some of them become therapists, but most of them do research.
With utmost respect and for the sake of accuracy, I think that should read:
"Most of them become therapists (counsellors, social workers, members of a helper profession or another), but some of them become researchers."
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 29, 2012, 02:52:26 AM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on November 28, 2012, 11:33:15 PM
That shit does really fucking bad things to me, none of which involve relaxing or calming down. One of the common side effects is muscle spasms. If you never had them (which is also common) then think yourself lucky. If you do get them they'll give you a procycledine chaser. I never worked out if it was the haliperidol or the procycledine or the combined effect but take a shot of really good tequilla and wash it down with 20-30 kilos of low grade speed and you'll have a rough idea just how tranquilised I felt. :evilmad:
Please to read my post more carefully. :lol:
:lulz:
HERPIDERPIDOL: DOES EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS ON THE LABEL.
Quote from: holist on November 29, 2012, 06:11:06 AM
Quote from: FROTISTED FUDGE CAK on November 29, 2012, 02:45:46 AM
Some of them become therapists, but most of them do research.
With utmost respect and for the sake of accuracy, I think that should read:
"Most of them become therapists (counsellors, social workers, members of a helper profession or another), but some of them become researchers."
That's not how it works here. Maybe that's how it works in Hungary, but here social work is its own degree program, and the most popular one for people who want to do counseling. You have to get an MSW and a certificate in counseling in order to be legally qualified. I don't know what you mean by "helper profession" outside of social work... most of those are covered by medical assistant and nursing programs. People often get a psych undergrad here on the way to some other graduate degree, but for the vast majority anyone here who gets a psych grad degree is going into research or teaching. Psych these days is heavily oriented toward the biological processes of brain function.
ETA: I worded that strangely... you don't HAVE to have an MSW to be a certified counselor, you can also get the certification with an MPsy, but most people who want to do counseling go with the MSW because the MPsy program is heavliy research-oriented.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 29, 2012, 02:17:46 PM
HERPIDERPIDOL: DOES EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS ON THE LABEL.
more like HerpiderpiLOL
Quote from: FROTISTED FUDGE CAK on November 29, 2012, 04:10:55 PM
Quote from: holist on November 29, 2012, 06:11:06 AM
Quote from: FROTISTED FUDGE CAK on November 29, 2012, 02:45:46 AM
Some of them become therapists, but most of them do research.
With utmost respect and for the sake of accuracy, I think that should read:
"Most of them become therapists (counsellors, social workers, members of a helper profession or another), but some of them become researchers."
That's not how it works here. Maybe that's how it works in Hungary, but here social work is its own degree program, and the most popular one for people who want to do counseling. You have to get an MSW and a certificate in counseling in order to be legally qualified. I don't know what you mean by "helper profession" outside of social work... most of those are covered by medical assistant and nursing programs. People often get a psych undergrad here on the way to some other graduate degree, but for the vast majority anyone here who gets a psych grad degree is going into research or teaching. Psych these days is heavily oriented toward the biological processes of brain function.
ETA: I worded that strangely... you don't HAVE to have an MSW to be a certified counselor, you can also get the certification with an MPsy, but most people who want to do counseling go with the MSW because the MPsy program is heavliy research-oriented.
I would be very surprised if that were the case. Psychology is a popular undergrad course just about everywhere because of the kind of media psychology gets (because people think, misguidedly, that they will improve significantly at fucking with other people's heads if they do this).
So just to be clear: you are telling me that in the Younited Staples of Americka, the majority of people who complete undergrad degree courses go on to become research psychologists or teaching academics? Sorry, I don't believe you. Can you substantiate?
Quote from: holist on November 30, 2012, 06:19:18 AM
Quote from: FROTISTED FUDGE CAK on November 29, 2012, 04:10:55 PM
Quote from: holist on November 29, 2012, 06:11:06 AM
Quote from: FROTISTED FUDGE CAK on November 29, 2012, 02:45:46 AM
Some of them become therapists, but most of them do research.
With utmost respect and for the sake of accuracy, I think that should read:
"Most of them become therapists (counsellors, social workers, members of a helper profession or another), but some of them become researchers."
That's not how it works here. Maybe that's how it works in Hungary, but here social work is its own degree program, and the most popular one for people who want to do counseling. You have to get an MSW and a certificate in counseling in order to be legally qualified. I don't know what you mean by "helper profession" outside of social work... most of those are covered by medical assistant and nursing programs. People often get a psych undergrad here on the way to some other graduate degree, but for the vast majority anyone here who gets a psych grad degree is going into research or teaching. Psych these days is heavily oriented toward the biological processes of brain function.
ETA: I worded that strangely... you don't HAVE to have an MSW to be a certified counselor, you can also get the certification with an MPsy, but most people who want to do counseling go with the MSW because the MPsy program is heavliy research-oriented.
I would be very surprised if that were the case. Psychology is a popular undergrad course just about everywhere because of the kind of media psychology gets (because people think, misguidedly, that they will improve significantly at fucking with other people's heads if they do this).
So just to be clear: you are telling me that in the Younited Staples of Americka, the majority of people who complete undergrad degree courses go on to become research psychologists or teaching academics? Sorry, I don't believe you. Can you substantiate?
No, most of the people who complete psychology undergrad degrees go on to work in retail, call centers, or to do entry-level office-betty work, just like people who complete history, literature, or art undergrad degrees. I was talking about people who go on to get degrees you can do something with.
Quote from: FROTISTED FUDGE CAK on December 01, 2012, 06:38:35 AM
Quote from: holist on November 30, 2012, 06:19:18 AM
Quote from: FROTISTED FUDGE CAK on November 29, 2012, 04:10:55 PM
Quote from: holist on November 29, 2012, 06:11:06 AM
Quote from: FROTISTED FUDGE CAK on November 29, 2012, 02:45:46 AM
Some of them become therapists, but most of them do research.
With utmost respect and for the sake of accuracy, I think that should read:
"Most of them become therapists (counsellors, social workers, members of a helper profession or another), but some of them become researchers."
That's not how it works here. Maybe that's how it works in Hungary, but here social work is its own degree program, and the most popular one for people who want to do counseling. You have to get an MSW and a certificate in counseling in order to be legally qualified. I don't know what you mean by "helper profession" outside of social work... most of those are covered by medical assistant and nursing programs. People often get a psych undergrad here on the way to some other graduate degree, but for the vast majority anyone here who gets a psych grad degree is going into research or teaching. Psych these days is heavily oriented toward the biological processes of brain function.
ETA: I worded that strangely... you don't HAVE to have an MSW to be a certified counselor, you can also get the certification with an MPsy, but most people who want to do counseling go with the MSW because the MPsy program is heavliy research-oriented.
I would be very surprised if that were the case. Psychology is a popular undergrad course just about everywhere because of the kind of media psychology gets (because people think, misguidedly, that they will improve significantly at fucking with other people's heads if they do this).
So just to be clear: you are telling me that in the Younited Staples of Americka, the majority of people who complete undergrad degree courses go on to become research psychologists or teaching academics? Sorry, I don't believe you. Can you substantiate?
No, most of the people who complete psychology undergrad degrees go on to work in retail, call centers, or to do entry-level office-betty work, just like people who complete history, literature, or art undergrad degrees. I was talking about people who go on to get degrees you can do something with.
:lulz: I resemble that remark. Or will.
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on December 01, 2012, 09:09:50 PM
Quote from: FROTISTED FUDGE CAK on December 01, 2012, 06:38:35 AM
Quote from: holist on November 30, 2012, 06:19:18 AM
Quote from: FROTISTED FUDGE CAK on November 29, 2012, 04:10:55 PM
Quote from: holist on November 29, 2012, 06:11:06 AM
Quote from: FROTISTED FUDGE CAK on November 29, 2012, 02:45:46 AM
Some of them become therapists, but most of them do research.
With utmost respect and for the sake of accuracy, I think that should read:
"Most of them become therapists (counsellors, social workers, members of a helper profession or another), but some of them become researchers."
That's not how it works here. Maybe that's how it works in Hungary, but here social work is its own degree program, and the most popular one for people who want to do counseling. You have to get an MSW and a certificate in counseling in order to be legally qualified. I don't know what you mean by "helper profession" outside of social work... most of those are covered by medical assistant and nursing programs. People often get a psych undergrad here on the way to some other graduate degree, but for the vast majority anyone here who gets a psych grad degree is going into research or teaching. Psych these days is heavily oriented toward the biological processes of brain function.
ETA: I worded that strangely... you don't HAVE to have an MSW to be a certified counselor, you can also get the certification with an MPsy, but most people who want to do counseling go with the MSW because the MPsy program is heavliy research-oriented.
I would be very surprised if that were the case. Psychology is a popular undergrad course just about everywhere because of the kind of media psychology gets (because people think, misguidedly, that they will improve significantly at fucking with other people's heads if they do this).
So just to be clear: you are telling me that in the Younited Staples of Americka, the majority of people who complete undergrad degree courses go on to become research psychologists or teaching academics? Sorry, I don't believe you. Can you substantiate?
No, most of the people who complete psychology undergrad degrees go on to work in retail, call centers, or to do entry-level office-betty work, just like people who complete history, literature, or art undergrad degrees. I was talking about people who go on to get degrees you can do something with.
:lulz: I resemble that remark. Or will.
:lulz: It is a dismal truth that a psych undergrad degree is in the top ten of most useless degrees you can possibly get. It's somewhere below sociology, I think. The only practical use that it has, other than personal enrichment or getting a 12-dollar-an-hour research assistant job working for a psychologist with a PhD, is as a stepping stone to grad school. As a psych undergrad, I shamelessly recognize this.
It's also one reason that I might switch my major to biology. At least biology research assistant pay is a little better. I'm just waiting to hear back from OHSU about what they're looking for most in a NS PhD candidate.
Quote from: FROTISTED FUDGE CAK on December 01, 2012, 06:38:35 AM
No, most of the people who complete psychology undergrad degrees go on to work in retail, call centers, or to do entry-level office-betty work, just like people who complete history, literature, or art undergrad degrees. I was talking about people who go on to get degrees you can do something with.
Hang on, so you're saying that working in retail, call centres, entry-level office work is not actually doing something?
I must be reading you wrong.
But okay, let's limit the discussion to people who go ahead and do something with their lives to which the stuff they learnt during their degree course in psychology is relevant in some way... you could be right. But I'm not sure. Couldn't many of those people with undergrad psych diplomas do some additional professional qualification and retrain, in the direction of talking therapies, for instance, or clinical psychology, or other forms of therapy, or education, even, or special needs education? I just took a squinty-eyed look at what I expected to be the relevant numbers, and it seemed unlikely that most people who study psychology as undergraduates would become researchers or academics... but with the above added clause, it seems feasible. Plus I admit it was an unnecessarily nit-picky remark on my behalf, for which I apologize.
God fuck how I hate myself for not telling my parents about my depression before after 7 months, just before exams. So now I'm taking a pause from my political work (man, my political friends'll hate me for that. But depression and idealistic international politics doesn't mix. Having to worry not only about yourself and your relationships to those who are closest to you, but also feeling responsible for every fucking little thing that happens in the world, added to the feeling that The Cause isn't really that inspiring or capital T Truth to you any more.), and I'll just try to deal with the last months of school and do something with my ever increasing pile of unfinished homework. Get some sleeping pills and a therapist. Nurture my friendships with my classmates in the last hectic months of simultaneous studying and partying. Hopefully I'll get rid of the endless, incoherent trains of thought spinning around in my mind like a bad postmodernist novel.
100 people did elect me to that position in the Young Liberals, though, and I willingly accepted it and promised to take on big responsibilities and when depression struck I tried to cope but I just neglected my tasks, deepening my depression and evasiveness. It feels bad to just let them down this way. But I think maybe this is the time to say that I've been neglecting myself and I need some time to recover.
Quotedepression and idealistic international politics doesn't mix
In my opinion, depression and any kind of international politics don't mix.
I'm generally a positive person, with a sunny disposition, and look at the effect it has on
me.
Quote from: Cain on April 04, 2013, 10:38:20 PM
Quotedepression and idealistic international politics doesn't mix
In my opinion, depression and any kind of international politics don't mix.
I'm generally a positive person, with a sunny disposition, and look at the effect it has on me.
Yeah, I think it's a good idea if I take a break until I can get other things out of the stuff I read than just justification for deepening my misanthropy.