In the spirit of PD, I'm not erasing Zen Magick's bullshit, but I am splitting it from the main thread. Everyone gets their say, but that doesn't mean a thread being enjoyed by everyone except that particular bitter little prick has to be ruined.
Any further bullshit on THAT thread will be in THIS thread, the next time I log in.
- Roger
P is for PLAGIARISM
The DOUBTER'S COMPANION: A Dictionary of Aggressive Common Sense Saul, John Ralston. The Free Press: NY, 1994. ISBN 0-02-927722-1
A is for Answers - page 25
B is for Business Schools - pages 50-51
C is for Corporatism - pages 74-79
D is for Direct Democracy p.106-109
E is for Elites - p.119
F is for Facts - p.127-128
G is for Growth - p.148-152
H is for Hard Work - p.157-158
I is for Instrumental Reason - p.175-177
J is for Jobs - p.184-185
K is for Kant, Immanuel - p.187-188
L is for Ludendorff, Erich - p.197
M is for Mussolini, Benito - p.209-211
N is for Neo-Conservative - p.218-220
O is for Optimism - p.223-224
P is for Philosophy - p.231-233
Or is P really for phoney or paraphraser?
Quote from: zen_magick on January 03, 2013, 09:38:07 AM
This is BRILLIANT!
Cain you have out done yourself.
Reminiscent of John Ralston Saul's "The Doubter's Companion: A Dictionary of Aggressive Common Sense" as well as his "Voltaire's Bastards". I have to agree with the others that want to see this put into print.
Thanks and please keep it coming.
:mittens:
Z_M
Quote from: Cain on January 03, 2013, 11:08:59 AM
Thank you. JRS is a huge influence on my thinking, so I take that to be a great compliment.
I'm still deciding what to do in regards to O. I should have some time this weekend to do a number of installments, though.
M is for Memory Loss.
I already admitted JRS was a huge influence on this. Incidentally, I wouldn't know if I was copying the Doubter's Dictionary or not, because I sold mine 2 years ago.
I'd also like to think, if I was copying, it wouldn't take me so long to come up with an entry for each letter.
Also, maybe you'd like to see my drafts for all the other options I did for each letter, and discarded because I either felt they weren't good enough, or didn't quite convey what I was trying to get across.
Let's see, for A I also had:
A=A
Ancien Regime
A Levels
Ancient Greeks, Not Influenced By
Advertising
Anglican Church
All which have written entries for. Each other letter has about the same amount written for it. I'd write out several, then pick the one I felt was best.
Quote from: Cain on February 05, 2013, 10:54:15 AM
Quote from: zen_magick on January 03, 2013, 09:38:07 AM
This is BRILLIANT!
Cain you have out done yourself.
Reminiscent of John Ralston Saul's "The Doubter's Companion: A Dictionary of Aggressive Common Sense" as well as his "Voltaire's Bastards". I have to agree with the others that want to see this put into print.
Thanks and please keep it coming.
:mittens:
Z_M
Quote from: Cain on January 03, 2013, 11:08:59 AM
Thank you. JRS is a huge influence on my thinking, so I take that to be a great compliment.
I'm still deciding what to do in regards to O. I should have some time this weekend to do a number of installments, though.
M is for Memory Loss.
I already admitted JRS was a huge influence on this. Incidentally, I wouldn't know if I was copying the Doubter's Dictionary or not, because I sold mine 2 years ago.
I'd also like to think, if I was copying, it wouldn't take me so long to come up with an entry for each letter.
Hmmm, teachers in this country would have to say FAIL!!
Sounds more like you knew you got called out and laid off the obvious for your own dignities sake. But whatever.
Plus, there are many. many direct quotes which I didn't bother with because it is just to sad. So pat yourself on the back and continue with the fraud of your life if it makes you feel special.
More like you've got a case of butthurt, and a driving need to justify it, to the point of even ignoring your previous posts.
Nice and articulate response, Cain.
I was being subtle and ironic hoping you would stop with my post in this thread but no you had to just keep flipping through the pages and acting like we don't read in the States so go Fuck yourself!
The plagiarism is there for all to read for themselves and you can try to hide behind the people you have fooled into believing you are their golden boy but truth is truth. The entries do not lie even though you do.
It is no wonder this forum is dying if you represent original thought.
peace out
Quote from: Cain on February 05, 2013, 11:01:57 AM
Also, maybe you'd like to see my drafts for all the other options I did for each letter, and discarded because I either felt they weren't good enough, or didn't quite convey what I was trying to get across.
Let's see, for A I also had:
A=A
Ancien Regime
A Levels
Ancient Greeks, Not Influenced By
Advertising
Anglican Church
All which have written entries for. Each other letter has about the same amount written for it. I'd write out several, then pick the one I felt was best.
Oh and all sixteen entries align exactly with John Ralston Saul? Then my odds of hitting the lottery outta be really freaking low right?
Yeah, I know I suck but at least I'm man enough to swallow!
Quote from: zen_magick on February 05, 2013, 11:04:46 AM
there are many. many direct quotes which I didn't bother with
I call your bluff. The chances of having similar entries would naturally be higher than random, because the whole
point is that these are widely-used terms that are being used, mis-used, abused, and subverted. It's an Alphabet of
Bullshit for fuck's sake. Of
course Business Schools, Democracy, and Facts would have a greater than average probability of being used as terms. Add to that Cain's well-known history of knowledge regarding Western philosophy and political theory, and it's almost a
guarantee that Kant and Mussolini would be picked.
So, please to offer direct quotes.
Quote from: zen_magick on February 05, 2013, 11:19:06 AM
Nice and articulate response, Cain.
I was being subtle and ironic
No, you weren't.
1. Cain referenced the original author that he got the idea from. An outright plagiarist wouldn't make things so easy.
2. You can't be bothered with direct quotes. I wonder why that is?
3. You have, in your time on this board, done basically nothing but snipe at people. What did you hope to accomplish here? If Cain
has swiped something, then shame on him...BUT his track record indicates otherwise, whereas you came on, made the accusation, and then can't be bothered with backing said accusation up with proper quotes. What seems more likely is that you decided that a thread many people were enjoying had to be killed.
So put up or shut up. Direct quotes or GTFO.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on February 05, 2013, 01:44:32 PM
Quote from: zen_magick on February 05, 2013, 11:04:46 AM
there are many. many direct quotes which I didn't bother with
I call your bluff. The chances of having similar entries would naturally be higher than random, because the whole point is that these are widely-used terms that are being used, mis-used, abused, and subverted. It's an Alphabet of Bullshit for fuck's sake. Of course Business Schools, Democracy, and Facts would have a greater than average probability of being used as terms. Add to that Cain's well-known history of knowledge regarding Western philosophy and political theory, and it's almost a guarantee that Kant and Mussolini would be picked.
So, please to offer direct quotes.
No the ISBN number and page numbers are real! You asshole! Look them up yourself! Page numbers are correct I am not your middle school teacher if your butt feathers are not in order that's your fault.
Oh your golden idol may not glow as much! Do your own homework you worm!
:lolchix:
[ETA: TGRR, we're probably gonna need a threadsplit when the inevitable begins.]
You can't be asked to read. I know so go fuck yourself and I'll go do the same. Just look into your heroes and realizes John Wayne sucked as much cock as Roger does!
Well, to answer more formally, I do not have a copy of that book; and while it looks interesting and I may purchase it at a later time, it would seem the onus is on those who actually possess a copy, especially if the charge is plagerism. If I did already own the book, I would most certainly double-check; however, since that information would be more burdensome on me than on you, it seems suspicious that you would not offer up the information you obtained.
Also, you seem to be in a particularly bad mood today. Anything on your mind, kid?
Actually, the entries with the same titles as Cain's entries are VASTLY DIFFERENT.
So, zen_douchenozzle, go lick a poison ivy.
zen_moron threw the gauntlet down at Cain?
Oh, dear... :lulz:
Quote from: zen_magick on February 05, 2013, 11:04:46 AM
Plus, there are many. many direct quotes which I didn't bother with because it is just to sad.
Liar. :lol:
Quote from: Waffles, Viking Princess of Northern Belgium on February 05, 2013, 02:46:52 PM
Actually, the entries with the same titles as Cain's entries are VASTLY DIFFERENT.
So, zen_douchenozzle, go lick a poison ivy.
Oh, dear. It seems someone else on the board has that book. WHAT WERE THE CHANCES?
AND IT'S KINDA SORTA LIKE WHAT CAIN POSTED
Bottom line - I don't discount for a minute the possibility of the bullet points coming out of something Cain had in his memory, possibly without even realising it. I also don't discount pure coincidence. Bullet points. So what? The stuff between the bullets? I've known Cain for years. It's his style. It's the way the fucker puts words together. that dry, detached cynicism. I love it, just like it often chills me to the bone. It almost always educates me. I hear it like a voice. The stuff between the bullets is all Cain.
Zen Magic? Wiff a 'K'? Don't recall anything inspiring.
Quote from: zen_magick on February 05, 2013, 02:31:30 PM
You can't be asked to read. I know so go fuck yourself and I'll go do the same. Just look into your heroes and realizes John Wayne sucked as much cock as Roger does!
Annnd it's back to the brave loner fighting teh power of Roger.
You offered an accusation, you won't back it up.
Doktor's diagnosis: You're a pathetic piece of shit.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on February 05, 2013, 06:03:28 PM
Bottom line - I don't discount for a minute the possibility of the bullet points coming out of something Cain had in his memory, possibly without even realising it.
I did that with a science fiction story, about 3 years ago. I realized the next day (after having some sleep) that the story I wrote wasn't word for word someone else's, but the plot was someone else's. I hauled it down the next day and fessed up. Cain may have the same bullet points, but if the commentary was the same, Zen Magickque would have done the triumphant reveal by now.
QuoteZen Magic? Wiff a 'K'? Don't recall anything inspiring.
Look at his post history. He just bitches about what other people do.
Quote from: zen_magick on February 05, 2013, 11:04:46 AM
Plus, there are many. many direct quotes which I didn't bother with because it is just to sad.
"too sad", you illiterate fuck.
And if you had them, you'd have posted them.
Quote from: Wuli Fufu on February 05, 2013, 03:25:41 PM
zen_moron threw the gauntlet down at Cain?
Oh, dear... :lulz:
And Cain doesn't have to pick it up. I've got his back, and apparently so does everyone else.
Fuck Zen Mahdghjckque.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 05, 2013, 06:58:15 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on February 05, 2013, 06:03:28 PM
Bottom line - I don't discount for a minute the possibility of the bullet points coming out of something Cain had in his memory, possibly without even realising it.
I did that with a science fiction story, about 3 years ago. I realized the next day (after having some sleep) that the story I wrote wasn't word for word someone else's, but the plot was someone else's. I hauled it down the next day and fessed up. Cain may have the same bullet points, but if the commentary was the same, Zen Magickque would have done the triumphant reveal by now.
I've heard of people doing that with music, too.
But yeah - bluff called. Nada.
QuoteQuoteZen Magic? Wiff a 'K'? Don't recall anything inspiring.
Look at his post history. He just bitches about what other people do.
The timing for the plagairism accusation is kind of odd.
One of Uncle BadTouch's?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 05, 2013, 06:55:39 PM
Quote from: zen_magick on February 05, 2013, 02:31:30 PM
You can't be asked to read. I know so go fuck yourself and I'll go do the same. Just look into your heroes and realizes John Wayne sucked as much cock as Roger does!
Annnd it's back to the brave loner fighting teh power of Roger.
You offered an accusation, you won't back it up.
Doktor's diagnosis: You're a pathetic piece of shit.
Not only that, but he's not even original. Same schtick DK pulled on me with my "SHUT THE FUCK UP" piece.
I hope this bullshit doesn't shit up this wonderful thread about bullshit, because Cain's insight into the world and the shit in people's head is awesome.
I will be happy to split it, when either:
1. I am conviced Zen is done wallowing in his own poop, or
2. Cain asks.
Whichever comes first.
I'm with ZM, even this guy's fucking handle is plagiarism.
DID YOU REALLY THINK NOBODY HAS READ THE BIBLE, CAIN?
I'm pretty sure 'Cain' is simply a plagiarism bot, rather than a person. I mean, i've never even seen his face...
Cain claims to be English bu
CAIN IS THE AI GOD THAT 18 TRIED TO WARN YUO ABOUT
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on February 05, 2013, 10:43:26 PM
I'm with ZM, even this guy's fucking handle is plagiarism.
DID YOU REALLY THINK NOBODY HAS READ THE BIBLE, CAIN?
Oh yea, Mr. Kettle? Didn't think there were any Liberty Bob Fans here, did you?* http://www.libertybob.com/index.php?category=General&article=475 (http://www.libertybob.com/index.php?category=General&article=475)
*unless that's totally why you picked that name. Then, boy, do I look like an ass.
Quote from: trippinprincezz13 on February 06, 2013, 04:59:34 PM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on February 05, 2013, 10:43:26 PM
I'm with ZM, even this guy's fucking handle is plagiarism.
DID YOU REALLY THINK NOBODY HAS READ THE BIBLE, CAIN?
Oh yea, Mr. Kettle? Didn't think there were any Liberty Bob Fans here, did you?* http://www.libertybob.com/index.php?category=General&article=475 (http://www.libertybob.com/index.php?category=General&article=475)
*unless that's totally why you picked that name. Then, boy, do I look like an ass.
Whoa! :eek:
However, optimism as a social attitude is an inherently infantile position which refuses to accept the possibility of failure, criticism or doubt.
"When encouraged as a social attitude it is an infantalizing force which removes the individual's conscious power to criticize, refuse and Doubt." p.224
And fuck you all I have contacted John Ralston Saul's agent, and publisher so go sit and spin.
:omg:
Quote from: zen_magick on February 07, 2013, 11:07:29 AM
However, optimism as a social attitude is an inherently infantile position which refuses to accept the possibility of failure, criticism or doubt.
"When encouraged as a social attitude it is an infantalizing force which removes the individual's conscious power to criticize, refuse and Doubt." p.224
And fuck you all I have contacted John Ralston Saul's agent, and publisher so go sit and spin.
Temp banned pending other admin votes.
Grounds: Threat of initiating or causing legal proceedings against the admin team and the board in general.
Date the ban will end: Upon a majority of nays in the admin group, or never.
Quote from: zen_magick on February 07, 2013, 11:07:29 AM
However, optimism as a social attitude is an inherently infantile position which refuses to accept the possibility of failure, criticism or doubt.
"When encouraged as a social attitude it is an infantalizing force which removes the individual's conscious power to criticize, refuse and Doubt." p.224
And fuck you all I have contacted John Ralston Saul's agent, and publisher so go sit and spin.
That reads as an unintentional paraphrase, which happens to the best of us. As you are well aware, the courteous thing to do when you notice something like that is to contact the writer privately and point it out so they can correct it.
But you're an asspipe and you wanted to Show Us how big your dick is by trying to publicly humiliate Cain, so you didn't do that.
Quote from: trippinprincezz13 on February 06, 2013, 04:59:34 PM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on February 05, 2013, 10:43:26 PM
I'm with ZM, even this guy's fucking handle is plagiarism.
DID YOU REALLY THINK NOBODY HAS READ THE BIBLE, CAIN?
Oh yea, Mr. Kettle? Didn't think there were any Liberty Bob Fans here, did you?* http://www.libertybob.com/index.php?category=General&article=475 (http://www.libertybob.com/index.php?category=General&article=475)
*unless that's totally why you picked that name. Then, boy, do I look like an ass.
I was surprised at this because I've never seen this name used anywhere before. I actually had to double check and see how long I've been using it. I first registered it on LIVEJOURNAL (ugh) in 2003, when I was 17.
TAKE THAT, WHOEVER LIBERTY BOB IS
(eta)
PLAGIARIST
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on February 07, 2013, 04:04:49 PM
Quote from: trippinprincezz13 on February 06, 2013, 04:59:34 PM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on February 05, 2013, 10:43:26 PM
I'm with ZM, even this guy's fucking handle is plagiarism.
DID YOU REALLY THINK NOBODY HAS READ THE BIBLE, CAIN?
Oh yea, Mr. Kettle? Didn't think there were any Liberty Bob Fans here, did you?* http://www.libertybob.com/index.php?category=General&article=475 (http://www.libertybob.com/index.php?category=General&article=475)
*unless that's totally why you picked that name. Then, boy, do I look like an ass.
I was surprised at this because I've never seen this name used anywhere before. I actually had to double check and see how long I've been using it. I first registered it on LIVEJOURNAL (ugh) in 2003, when I was 17.
TAKE THAT, WHOEVER LIBERTY BOB IS
(eta) PLAGIARIST
:lol: I was pretty surprised I found anything, myself, since the majority of results were Soul Eater something do to with Clowns and I think your profile here.
In light of this recent news, not only has Liberty Bob plagarized, but he's also disparaging your good name by implying you wouldn't even clean up your drool after consuming a clown. Like you're some kind of animal. The nerve!
Quote from: zen_magick on February 07, 2013, 11:07:29 AM
However, optimism as a social attitude is an inherently infantile position which refuses to accept the possibility of failure, criticism or doubt.
"When encouraged as a social attitude it is an infantalizing force which removes the individual's conscious power to criticize, refuse and Doubt." p.224
And fuck you all I have contacted John Ralston Saul's agent, and publisher so go sit and spin.
Thank you brave internet warrior, for defending John Ralston Sauls maiden honour.
Not sure from what exactly though, this is a not for profit website (actually its been a huge money sink for me), this isn't published or competing with JRS, nor is it similar beyond an alphabetical list of things.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on February 05, 2013, 01:44:32 PM
The chances of having similar entries would naturally be higher than random, because the whole point is that these are widely-used terms that are being used, mis-used, abused, and subverted. It's an Alphabet of Bullshit for fuck's sake. Of course Business Schools, Democracy, and Facts would have a greater than average probability of being used as terms. Add to that Cain's well-known history of knowledge regarding Western philosophy and political theory, and it's almost a guarantee that Kant and Mussolini would be picked.
For those who don't own a copy of the book, I think it's important to add here that The Doubter's Companion doesn't contain a single entry for every letter. It has 31 entries for A, for example, so the chances of choosing one of the widely-used terms is even greater.