The NYT Style section (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/17/fashion/creating-hipsturbia-in-the-suburbs-of-new-york.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&) is truly a global treasure
Quote'"Hastings-on-Hudson is a village, in a Wittgensteinian sort of way," Mr. Wallach said.
My mind = blown.
Quote from: Cain on February 18, 2013, 07:26:33 PM
The NYT Style section (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/17/fashion/creating-hipsturbia-in-the-suburbs-of-new-york.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&) is truly a global treasure
Quote'"Hastings-on-Hudson is a village, in a Wittgensteinian sort of way," Mr. Wallach said.
My mind = blown.
What does mean? I can't even.
Ridiculously exactly like the epitome of a village? The ultimate definition of a village? If one were to draw a perfect map of the ideal village it would be indistinguishable from Hastings-on-Hudson?
'X is a Y, in a Wittgenseinian sort of way.' needs to become a common PD saying.
I think i got it, but as with all things Wittgensteinian, it has left me with a mild headache and a sense of jamais vu.
What the fuck is a Whitgroinstan?
Is it one of the former Soviet Socialist republics or some shit?
I'm posting in this thread because two months from now it wont make sense.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Wittgensteinian
Apparently Wittgensteinian is like the middle ground between E-Prime and R-Prime.
Quote from: Bu☆ns on February 19, 2013, 12:24:57 AM
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Wittgensteinian
Apparently Wittgensteinian is like the middle ground between E-Prime and R-Prime.
I forget... is R-Prime SHUT UP-ese?
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 19, 2013, 01:28:51 AM
Quote from: Bu☆ns on February 19, 2013, 12:24:57 AM
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Wittgensteinian
Apparently Wittgensteinian is like the middle ground between E-Prime and R-Prime.
I forget... is R-Prime SHUT UP-ese?
Yes. It's "THIS IS OBVIOUS AND CLEARLY DEFINED SHIT AND SHUT UP."
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 19, 2013, 04:07:23 AM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 19, 2013, 01:28:51 AM
Quote from: Bu☆ns on February 19, 2013, 12:24:57 AM
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Wittgensteinian
Apparently Wittgensteinian is like the middle ground between E-Prime and R-Prime.
I forget... is R-Prime SHUT UP-ese?
Yes. It's "THIS IS OBVIOUS AND CLEARLY DEFINED SHIT AND SHUT UP."
EXCELLENT
Wittgenstein was a Logic and Language philosopher.
QuoteThe early Wittgenstein was concerned with the logical relationship between propositions and the world, and believed that by providing an account of the logic underlying this relationship he had solved all philosophical problems.
He got so good at aneristic illusions that he thought he defined everything with a logical frame.
Then he finally relaxed.
Not soon after that he realised he had been an idiot for the first half of his life.
I took the term Wittgensteinian to mean 'in the spirit of the early Wittgenstein, especially his Tractatus Logico Philosophicus. (Mainly because that is the only Wittgenstein i ever tried to read. One of the few books i couldn't finish.)
I can really recommend trying to read it. He writes EVERYTHING in bulletpoints embedded in bulletpoints embedded in bulletpoints. etc etc ad nauseam.
Quote from: :regret: on February 19, 2013, 12:30:18 PM
Wittgenstein was a Logic and Language philosopher useless wankjob.
QuoteThe early Wittgenstein was concerned with the logical relationship between propositions and the world, and believed that by providing an account of the logic underlying this relationship he had solved all philosophical problems.
He got so good at aneristic illusions that he thought he defined everything with a logical frame.
Then he finally relaxed.
Not soon after that he realised he had been an idiot for the first half of his life.
I took the term Wittgensteinian to mean 'in the spirit of the early Wittgenstein, especially his Tractatus Logico Philosophicus. (Mainly because that is the only Wittgenstein i ever tried to read. One of the few books i couldn't finish.)
I can really recommend trying to read it. He writes EVERYTHING in bulletpoints embedded in bulletpoints embedded in bulletpoints. etc etc ad nauseam.
fixt
looking at the article Cain linked and reading this thread, I think maybe wittgensteinian means "extracting the basic essence of an object that doesn't have a basic essence".
An exercise in bullshit scaled up.
but that was probably a wittgensteinian thing for me to say.
such is life.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 19, 2013, 03:18:12 PM
Quote from: :regret: on February 19, 2013, 12:30:18 PM
Wittgenstein was a Logic and Language philosopher useless wankjob.
fixt
Well, he got me thinking about the importance of communicating in the same language as your audience.
So not completely useless.
On the other hand, he was a philosopher, and useless wankjob is a jobrequirement.
Quote from: :regret: on February 19, 2013, 04:44:13 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 19, 2013, 03:18:12 PM
Quote from: :regret: on February 19, 2013, 12:30:18 PM
Wittgenstein was a Logic and Language philosopher useless wankjob.
fixt
Well, he got me thinking about the importance of communicating in the same language as your audience.
So not completely useless.
On the other hand, he was a philosopher, and useless wankjob is a jobrequirement.
Except Franz Kafka, would would fucking anybody.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 19, 2013, 05:14:53 PM
Quote from: :regret: on February 19, 2013, 04:44:13 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 19, 2013, 03:18:12 PM
Quote from: :regret: on February 19, 2013, 12:30:18 PM
Wittgenstein was a Logic and Language philosopher useless wankjob.
fixt
Well, he got me thinking about the importance of communicating in the same language as your audience.
So not completely useless.
On the other hand, he was a philosopher, and useless wankjob is a jobrequirement.
Except Franz Kafka, would would fucking anybody.
This is true.
I'll exclude the really good novelists from my general categorization of philosophers as useless wankjobs.
Quote from: :regret: on February 19, 2013, 04:44:13 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 19, 2013, 03:18:12 PM
Quote from: :regret: on February 19, 2013, 12:30:18 PM
Wittgenstein was a Logic and Language philosopher useless wankjob.
fixt
Well, he got me thinking about the importance of communicating in the same language as your audience.
So not completely useless.
On the other hand, he was a philosopher, and useless wankjob is a jobrequirement.
Yes, absolutely.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 19, 2013, 09:17:21 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 19, 2013, 05:14:53 PM
Quote from: :regret: on February 19, 2013, 04:44:13 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 19, 2013, 03:18:12 PM
Quote from: :regret: on February 19, 2013, 12:30:18 PM
Wittgenstein was a Logic and Language philosopher useless wankjob.
fixt
Well, he got me thinking about the importance of communicating in the same language as your audience.
So not completely useless.
On the other hand, he was a philosopher, and useless wankjob is a jobrequirement.
Except Franz Kafka, would would fucking anybody.
This is true.
I'll exclude the really good novelists from my general categorization of philosophers as useless wankjobs.
Agreed.
The only useful philosopher is a novelling wankjob.
Quote from: :regret: on February 19, 2013, 12:30:18 PM
Wittgenstein was a Logic and Language philosopher.
QuoteThe early Wittgenstein was concerned with the logical relationship between propositions and the world, and believed that by providing an account of the logic underlying this relationship he had solved all philosophical problems.
He got so good at aneristic illusions that he thought he defined everything with a logical frame.
Then he finally relaxed.
Not soon after that he realised he had been an idiot for the first half of his life.
I took the term Wittgensteinian to mean 'in the spirit of the early Wittgenstein, especially his Tractatus Logico Philosophicus. (Mainly because that is the only Wittgenstein i ever tried to read. One of the few books i couldn't finish.)
I can really recommend trying to read it. He writes EVERYTHING in bulletpoints embedded in bulletpoints embedded in bulletpoints. etc etc ad nauseam.
Never read the Tractatus, but did read (parts of) his Philosophical Investigations when I was an undergrad. As I recall, the theme of that book was something like Language as Play, the work of a guy who'd been an uptight philosopher who'd given up on that and was simply fucking around now for the fun of it. I deeply offended the philosophy majors in that class when I said, unlike the other analytic philosophers we'd read that semester, Wittgenstein wrote like a real person.
Of course, it's been 20 (!) years since I read Wittgenstein, so my memory might be way better than the reality.
Quote from: deadfong on February 21, 2013, 12:32:22 PM
Quote from: :regret: on February 19, 2013, 12:30:18 PM
Wittgenstein was a Logic and Language philosopher.
QuoteThe early Wittgenstein was concerned with the logical relationship between propositions and the world, and believed that by providing an account of the logic underlying this relationship he had solved all philosophical problems.
He got so good at aneristic illusions that he thought he defined everything with a logical frame.
Then he finally relaxed.
Not soon after that he realised he had been an idiot for the first half of his life.
I took the term Wittgensteinian to mean 'in the spirit of the early Wittgenstein, especially his Tractatus Logico Philosophicus. (Mainly because that is the only Wittgenstein i ever tried to read. One of the few books i couldn't finish.)
I can really recommend trying to read it. He writes EVERYTHING in bulletpoints embedded in bulletpoints embedded in bulletpoints. etc etc ad nauseam.
Never read the Tractatus, but did read (parts of) his Philosophical Investigations when I was an undergrad. As I recall, the theme of that book was something like Language as Play, the work of a guy who'd been an uptight philosopher who'd given up on that and was simply fucking around now for the fun of it. I deeply offended the philosophy majors in that class when I said, unlike the other analytic philosophers we'd read that semester, Wittgenstein wrote like a real person.
Of course, it's been 20 (!) years since I read Wittgenstein, so my memory might be way better than the reality.
I'll have to read some of the late Wittgenstein then, sounds better.
I am required to take a certain number of humanities credits in order to graduate, and I have a choice between choosing some random art I don't care about, or a philosophy class.
I might take the philosophy class, just for the opportunity to annoy my classmates.
Wittgenstein's (later) work on language is some of the better philosophy you'll read, and hugely influential on modern linguistics. He takes other philosophers to task for dicking around with ineffable meanings of words and instead looks at language as not a symbolic representation of RealityTM (or subjective, internal mental models thereof) but "that thing people use to interact with / manipulate each other." A bit like Behaviorism, in that it dispenses with the unobservable internal states that philosophers have so much fun talking about in favor of stuff that can actually be observed, measured, and studied.