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Principia Discordia => Aneristic Illusions => Topic started by: Pergamos on March 02, 2013, 07:47:09 AM

Title: Speaking of the Drug War
Post by: Pergamos on March 02, 2013, 07:47:09 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/27/us-drugs-prosecutors-defending-traffickers (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/27/us-drugs-prosecutors-defending-traffickers)

The Guardian seems like it is usually pretty critical of the US establishment, and it seems to me that this could easily have been a simple moneymaking decision on the part of most former prosecutors now representing cartel members.
Title: Re: Speaking of the Drug War
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 02, 2013, 07:49:38 AM
Well, that's one possibility.

I'm gonna back out of this thread, though, and let Cain do his magic.
Title: Re: Speaking of the Drug War
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 02, 2013, 07:59:57 AM
Yeah, um, wow.

Got nothing to say the cynical can't already say for themselves.
Title: Re: Speaking of the Drug War
Post by: Cain on March 02, 2013, 12:19:14 PM
There's nothing I can add which hasn't already been said by Omar Little:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te_U-Ukz1vY

QuoteProsecutor: You are feeding off the violence and despair of the drug trade.  You are stealing from those who are stealing themselves from the lifeblood of this city.  You are a parasite who leeches off the culture of drugs-

Omar: Just like you, man.  I got the shotgun, you got the briefcase.  It's all in the game though.

Besides, they're only taking a leaf out of the playbook of all of those SEC guys and girls who, after spending a decade not pursuing charges against major banks, then end up working for them.  Possibly ironic, given that drugs money now supports international banking to a large degree.
Title: Re: Speaking of the Drug War
Post by: AFK on March 02, 2013, 01:44:04 PM
This isn't all that new and it's happening on a local level where you have former sherrifs and lawyers aligning themselves with pro-legalization efforts and domestic drug producers.  Some of them may have actual, honest intentions of making things better.  Most of them, however, are simply looking to be on the side that gets them more influence, power, and money.
Title: Re: Speaking of the Drug War
Post by: Pergamos on March 02, 2013, 08:37:44 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on March 02, 2013, 01:44:04 PM
This isn't all that new and it's happening on a local level where you have former sherrifs and lawyers aligning themselves with pro-legalization efforts and domestic drug producers.  Some of them may have actual, honest intentions of making things better.  Most of them, however, are simply looking to be on the side that gets them more influence, power, and money.

I'd say pro-legalization efforts are lacking in money and power, so Sheriffs or prosecutors who jump ship to fight for legalization are probably sincere.  Drug producers and distributors on the other hand have a LOT of money, so I'm more suspicious of people who switch sides to defend them.
Title: Re: Speaking of the Drug War
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on March 03, 2013, 05:45:36 PM
Make something illegal ... drive the price up ... make it a fucking awesome source of revenue ... pay the guys in charge of controlling it dogshit for wages ... go figure.

This is not the reason prohibition is fucking retarded. Just a fairly hilarious side effect. In a war on drugs the stoners will always win.
Title: Re: Speaking of the Drug War
Post by: Junkenstein on March 03, 2013, 08:19:31 PM
Any "War" that aligns interests of law enforcement and drug barons is doomed to run for perpetuity really.

Any lawyer here pulling the legalisation routine I would suspect to be doing so as A) it will never occur and B)will drive more cash to prohibition efforts.
Title: Re: Speaking of the Drug War
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 04, 2013, 03:50:12 AM
I am fairly sure that pot is going to be legalized here this year.
Title: Re: Speaking of the Drug War
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 04, 2013, 03:57:48 AM
Speaking of which I just sent an email to my rep, a family friend I've known all my life, supporting Blumenauer's legalization and taxation bill.
Title: Re: Speaking of the Drug War
Post by: Don Coyote on March 04, 2013, 04:19:07 AM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on March 04, 2013, 03:57:48 AM
Speaking of which I just sent an email to my rep, a family friend I've known all my life, supporting Blumenauer's legalization and taxation bill.
soon all of the left coast will be a hazy dystopia
Title: Re: Speaking of the Drug War
Post by: AFK on March 04, 2013, 04:28:55 AM
Holder is supposed to be coming out soon with how the Federal government is going to handle Washington and Colorado.  When I was in DC a couple of weeks ago, the talk was pretty tough.  They have absolutely no intention of wasting resources on the individual users.  However, the people I talked to made it pretty clear they have no intentions of letting states make money off of the sale of what they still consider to be an illicit drug. 


But, at the same time, I wouldn't be surprised to see them back off that stance.


Meanwhile, the battle line has been drawn here in Maine with a Portland Rep introducing a legalization bill.  Which should be pretty soundly defeated in the legislature.  I know I plan to go to testify.  If/when it goes out to voter referendum it will be a different ball game and I predict at that time it will probably (narrowly) pass.
Title: Re: Speaking of the Drug War
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 04, 2013, 06:00:23 AM
I misspoke... Blumenauer's bill is not the legalization and taxation one, it's a Federal bill to make it legal for states to legalize medical marijuana. The proposal for legalization and taxation in Oregon is a separate matter.

Obama has made a statement that he doesn't think fighting legalization in states where it has been voted in is an appropriate use of Federal resources.
Title: Re: Speaking of the Drug War
Post by: East Coast Hustle on March 04, 2013, 08:21:29 AM
I dunno, I hear there's tough talk.
Title: Re: Speaking of the Drug War
Post by: AFK on March 04, 2013, 11:41:10 AM
All I know is I heard the #'s 1, 2, and 3 tell me that as long as it is illegal, they plan on enforcing Federal law.  Of course, that was before sequestration.


Rep. Pingree backs the marijuana de-federalization bill as well as the bill that attempts to resolve the state/federal conflict for medical marijuana.  But I think both will likely fail miserably given the GOP control of the House, and I think even your blue-dog Dems will vote against the bills.  It will basically be a coalition of the GOP libertarians and the liberal Democrats that will attempt to pass the bills but the numbers just won't be there.
Title: Re: Speaking of the Drug War
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 04, 2013, 04:43:20 PM
Quote from: Balls Wellington on March 04, 2013, 08:21:29 AM
I dunno, I hear there's tough talk.

:lulz:
Title: Re: Speaking of the Drug War
Post by: Pergamos on March 04, 2013, 07:09:29 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on March 04, 2013, 06:00:23 AM
I misspoke... Blumenauer's bill is not the legalization and taxation one, it's a Federal bill to make it legal for states to legalize medical marijuana. The proposal for legalization and taxation in Oregon is a separate matter.

Obama has made a statement that he doesn't think fighting legalization in states where it has been voted in is an appropriate use of Federal resources.

He made a similar statement about medical, and then proceeded to arrest more providers than W.
Title: Re: Speaking of the Drug War
Post by: navkat on March 05, 2013, 03:44:02 AM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 03, 2013, 05:45:36 PM
Make something illegal ... drive the price up ... make it a fucking awesome source of revenue ... pay the guys in charge of controlling it dogshit for wages ... go figure.

Bingo. People keep whining "I just don't understand why they don't just decriminalize it just for the tax money!"

Because they're making waaaay more in cash and prizes off the taxes you pay to keep it illegal.
The third-largest growth industry in the United States? Corporate Prison contracts. OH MY GOD, WHERE DID ALL THESE MINIMUM SENTENCING, ZERO TOLERANCE AND THREE-STRIKES LAWS COME FROM ALL THE SUDDEN AND WHY ARE THEY STRIP-SEARCHING MY DAUGHTER FOR ADVIL?

Plus, there are waaaay more places to route and hide revenue and contracts now that we've fused the criminal justice system with national defense. "Homeland Security," we call it. No, you're not allowed to know where the money's going. Yes, expenses pertaining to the judicial system are technically supposed to be public record. No, you're not allowed to know where the money's going. National Security, doncha know. Don't be such a terrorist about it!