http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/15/17323938-gops-rob-portman-announces-support-for-same-sex-marriage?lite
Quote"It allowed me to think of this from a new perspective, and that's of a dad who loves his son a lot and wants him to have the same opportunities that his brother and sister would have – to have a relationship like Jane and I have had for over 26 years," Portman told reporters during that interview.
It worked! Now we just have to turn all the other politicians' kids gay.
Imagine if the politicans could have empathy without actually, you know, personal experience. :argh!:
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on March 15, 2013, 02:57:49 PM
Imagine if the politicans could have empathy without actually, you know, personal experience. :argh!:
I'll settle for this. For the moment.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2013, 03:00:08 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on March 15, 2013, 02:57:49 PM
Imagine if the politicans could have empathy without actually, you know, personal experience. :argh!:
I'll settle for this. For the moment.
Me too... half a loaf is better than none.
Typical. Only when it affects someone close to them, do people like him change their minds.
OTOH, the fewer people who stand between marriage equality and reality, the better.
Maybe it's some kind of conservative disorder. I know a guy who's absolutely codependent, gives money to the guy next door KNOWING he's going to use it to huff paint, enables his alkie cousin who lives with him, stuff like that. But when it's people "out there" who need a safety net, he's TOTALLY AGAINST IT.
There was a Slate article that called it "Compassionate Narcissim" or some such horseshit.
Ah. Here. (http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2013/03/15/rob_portman_and_the_politics_of_narcissism.html)
Missing the point, here.
Portman. Christie. Hagel. The list pointed here:
http://www.conservapedia.com/Republican_in_name_only
(Which is hilarious, by the way)...The GOP is busy kicking out the JAMs, so to speak, and it's getting so bloody that there's bound to be a major split. One half of the party will go on, the other will wither and die.
Glad someone else pointed it out. Portman was already half considered a RINO, due to his friendship with Mittens. This is just the icing on the cake, the proof for them.
It also means Portman isn't exactly going to look favourably on the hardliners who want to deny his kids the same rights as everyone else. Rather personal, is that.
Quote from: Cain on March 15, 2013, 07:52:21 PM
Glad someone else pointed it out. Portman was already half considered a RINO, due to his friendship with Mittens. This is just the icing on the cake, the proof for them.
It also means Portman isn't exactly going to look favourably on the hardliners who want to deny his kids the same rights as everyone else. Rather personal, is that.
Tell me about it.
So the question is, do they alienate enough moderates by 2014? They're living in a dreamworld; they think the house is theirs forever.
If they DO alienate enough of them, then the not-so-insane GOP continues.
If not, it's Sarah Palin all the way to Russia.
I thought the eventual rise of the ultra crazy in the GOP was all but inevitable?
When stupid fails, Go stupider.
Will take bets that the kid is not actually gay though, I feel a twist coming somewhere here. Already married maybe?
The way I see it, the crazies are in charge firmly now, and they'll crush the moderates thoroughly.
Previously, the Neocon contingent could be relied on to at least give some cover to the moderates, but the new generation combine wacky foreign policy ideas with social conservatism at home. The libertarians who might otherwise back the moderates don't like their "socialist-lite" economic policies, where anything less than Randtopia is virtually condoning Marxism. They're more palatable to Wall Street than the moderates are too...and Wall Street was a big component of their party political power.
The only thing the moderates can offer is strong national security credentials...to the Democrats, when they jump ship.
Quote from: Cain on March 15, 2013, 08:03:30 PM
The way I see it, the crazies are in charge firmly now, and they'll crush the moderates thoroughly.
Previously, the Neocon contingent could be relied on to at least give some cover to the moderates, but the new generation combine wacky foreign policy ideas with social conservatism at home. The libertarians who might otherwise back the moderates don't like their "socialist-lite" economic policies, where anything less than Randtopia is virtually condoning Marxism. They're more palatable to Wall Street than the moderates are too...and Wall Street was a big component of their party political power.
The only thing the moderates can offer is strong national security credentials...to the Democrats, when they jump ship.
Yep. If the party splits, the whackjobs are in trouble, I think. They'll dominate the party and a few of the state-level congresses...But not the house.
GOP realizes gays have money. Some of them are even rich we need to get their money!