Next time you hear someone talk about Sodomites, ask them who the real Sodomites are:
Ezekiel 16:49-50
Quote49 "'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.
More to follow.
Sweet. This is gonna get tasty.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 10, 2013, 10:18:50 PM
Next time you hear someone talk about Sodomites, ask them who the real Sodomites are:
Ezekiel 16:49-50
Quote49 "'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.
More to follow.
From some old correspondence with a lady who studied that story in the Tanakh:
QuoteI told him how in the Jewish telling of the story (which he wasn't familiar with), the true sins of Sodom were the lack of compassion and rampant materialism - cos they were. The Sodomites had no welfare, refused to look after their own, and if a stranger came to town and asked for water, they'd charge him for it.
And look what happened after that.
Yeah but, that's Ezekiel which every good faithfool knows is all allegorical and shit and obviously to do with the buttsecks. Unlike, say Genesis which is historical and totally disproves evolution :kingmeh:
1 John 2:9-11
Quote9 Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates a brother or sister is still in the darkness. 10 Anyone who loves their brother and sister lives in the light, and there is nothing in them to make them stumble. 11 But anyone who hates a brother or sister is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness. They do not know where they are going, because the darkness has blinded them.
Gomorrah always gets lumped in, wonder what their deal is.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 10, 2013, 10:18:50 PM
Next time you hear someone talk about Sodomites, ask them who the real Sodomites are:
Ezekiel 16:49-50
Quote49 "'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.
More to follow.
The King James version reads:
QuoteBehold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.
Which translates in my mind to:
GOD HATES CARBS!
ALL PRAISE ST. ATKINS!!!and then prolly some stuff about chik-fil-a sandwiches.
Quote from: Mome Papess Trivial on April 12, 2013, 04:25:58 AM
Gomorrah always gets lumped in, wonder what their deal is.
Gomorrah was even worse than sodom. The Gomorrans were "eating da poo poo" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjnrLt3VuSM)
I love that he asked the children to step out AFTER the "anal licking" segment of the talk.
Quote from: navkat: navkat of...navkat! on April 12, 2013, 02:15:31 PM
I love that he asked the children to step out AFTER the "anal licking" segment of the talk.
Aside from Charlie the Unicorn, I've watched that clip more times than anything else on Youtube and I end myself every fucking time!
Matthew 25:31-46
Quote31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 "Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'
37 "Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'
40 "The King will reply, 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.'
41 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'
44 "They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'
45 "He will reply, 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'
46 "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
QuoteFor I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'
Okay so here's a tangent but I always wondered why the fuck so much of the bible follows this skull crushing formula of repeating a whole bunch of shit over and over like a game of "I went to market" but without the progression factor? Something to do with hypnotising your audience when you read the shit out in a loud booming monotone?
Old psychological trick. "What I tell you three times is true." But yeah, it also establishes a rhythm.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 16, 2013, 02:54:01 PM
QuoteFor I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'
Okay so here's a tangent but I always wondered why the fuck so much of the bible follows this skull crushing formula of repeating a whole bunch of shit over and over like a game of "I went to market" but without the progression factor? Something to do with hypnotising your audience when you read the shit out in a loud booming monotone?
Think of it as the bronze age equivalent of an internet forum.
I wonder if its to aid in memorization for reciting? You see this kind of thing in Greek epic poetry too, as I recall. Not so sure if that cultural influence carried over to the Israelites though...if Phox were around, she could no doubt tell us if I'm on the right track or not.
Quote from: Cain on April 16, 2013, 09:59:10 PM
I wonder if its to aid in memorization for reciting? You see this kind of thing in Greek epic poetry too, as I recall. Not so sure if that cultural influence carried over to the Israelites though...if Phox were around, she could no doubt tell us if I'm on the right track or not.
repetition is very common in oral stuff. I don't know if the new testament was an oral work written down, but the old testament certainly is
Quote from: Pergamos on April 16, 2013, 10:01:57 PM
Quote from: Cain on April 16, 2013, 09:59:10 PM
I wonder if its to aid in memorization for reciting? You see this kind of thing in Greek epic poetry too, as I recall. Not so sure if that cultural influence carried over to the Israelites though...if Phox were around, she could no doubt tell us if I'm on the right track or not.
repetition is very common in oral stuff. I don't know if the new testament was an oral work written down, but the old testament certainly is
Fuck, yeah! Makes perfect sense.
And P3nT learned another new thing today...
All composition in antiquity was done with the understanding that the audience would hear it rather than see (i.e. read) it, since no more than 10% of people ever knew how to read and write. Repetition is a rhetorical technique to aid with oral performance of a text - some biblical scholars now think gospel readings done in the house churches actually involved recitation from memory rather than reading from a written text, because everything in the first century was written in continuous script, no spaces or punctuation, everything in capital letters, very difficult to read for an audience, especially by candle or lamplight.
Quote from: Cain on April 16, 2013, 09:59:10 PM
I wonder if its to aid in memorization for reciting? You see this kind of thing in Greek epic poetry too, as I recall. Not so sure if that cultural influence carried over to the Israelites though...if Phox were around, she could no doubt tell us if I'm on the right track or not.
A professor of mine once said this is why you find so many stock phrases in Homer, like a certain way to describe someone getting hit with a spear, or the set number of epithets for each god or hero. Performance was done from memory, and usually tailored to one degree or another for your specific audience. You want your recitation to be in good hexameter lines, since that's what epic is composed in. You know the number of syllables in all the standard phrases and epithets, so you can arrange them and drop them in where you need to in order to complete a line.
Quote from: deadfong on April 16, 2013, 10:20:02 PM
Quote from: Cain on April 16, 2013, 09:59:10 PM
I wonder if its to aid in memorization for reciting? You see this kind of thing in Greek epic poetry too, as I recall. Not so sure if that cultural influence carried over to the Israelites though...if Phox were around, she could no doubt tell us if I'm on the right track or not.
A professor of mine once said this is why you find so many stock phrases in Homer, like a certain way to describe someone getting hit with a spear, or the set number of epithets for each god or hero. Performance was done from memory, and usually tailored to one degree or another for your specific audience. You want your recitation to be in good hexameter lines, since that's what epic is composed in. You know the number of syllables in all the standard phrases and epithets, so you can arrange them and drop them in where you need to in order to complete a line.
That's what I was taught too.
I would assume it was the same in Israel, but I didn't know for sure how well developed literacy was in that region. My guess would be that it is roughly at the same level as Greece etc, but since it's not a period of history I'm especially interested in or knowledgeable about, I don't know for sure. And so I dislike assuming.
Quote from: Cain on April 16, 2013, 10:27:04 PM
Quote from: deadfong on April 16, 2013, 10:20:02 PM
Quote from: Cain on April 16, 2013, 09:59:10 PM
I wonder if its to aid in memorization for reciting? You see this kind of thing in Greek epic poetry too, as I recall. Not so sure if that cultural influence carried over to the Israelites though...if Phox were around, she could no doubt tell us if I'm on the right track or not.
A professor of mine once said this is why you find so many stock phrases in Homer, like a certain way to describe someone getting hit with a spear, or the set number of epithets for each god or hero. Performance was done from memory, and usually tailored to one degree or another for your specific audience. You want your recitation to be in good hexameter lines, since that's what epic is composed in. You know the number of syllables in all the standard phrases and epithets, so you can arrange them and drop them in where you need to in order to complete a line.
That's what I was taught too.
I would assume it was the same in Israel, but I didn't know for sure how well developed literacy was in that region. My guess would be that it is roughly at the same level as Greece etc, but since it's not a period of history I'm especially interested in or knowledgeable about, I don't know for sure. And so I dislike assuming.
I don't know what it was like pre-Alexander, but after him, and especially after the Roman conquest, it was pretty much the same as anywhere else.
Not only it's an aid to recitation, but parallelism is a rhetoric and poetic device. You'll often find it in old chinese poetry as well.
Quote from: deadfong on April 16, 2013, 10:20:02 PM
Quote from: Cain on April 16, 2013, 09:59:10 PM
I wonder if its to aid in memorization for reciting? You see this kind of thing in Greek epic poetry too, as I recall. Not so sure if that cultural influence carried over to the Israelites though...if Phox were around, she could no doubt tell us if I'm on the right track or not.
A professor of mine once said this is why you find so many stock phrases in Homer, like a certain way to describe someone getting hit with a spear, or the set number of epithets for each god or hero. Performance was done from memory, and usually tailored to one degree or another for your specific audience. You want your recitation to be in good hexameter lines, since that's what epic is composed in. You know the number of syllables in all the standard phrases and epithets, so you can arrange them and drop them in where you need to in order to complete a line.
"Rosy-fingered Dawn" always made me giggle when I studied the Iliad at 17
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 16, 2013, 09:54:35 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 16, 2013, 02:54:01 PM
QuoteFor I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'
Okay so here's a tangent but I always wondered why the fuck so much of the bible follows this skull crushing formula of repeating a whole bunch of shit over and over like a game of "I went to market" but without the progression factor? Something to do with hypnotising your audience when you read the shit out in a loud booming monotone?
Think of it as the bronze age equivalent of an internet forum.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
fuck, I totally missed that one! :lulz:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 16, 2013, 09:54:35 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 16, 2013, 02:54:01 PM
QuoteFor I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'
Okay so here's a tangent but I always wondered why the fuck so much of the bible follows this skull crushing formula of repeating a whole bunch of shit over and over like a game of "I went to market" but without the progression factor? Something to do with hypnotising your audience when you read the shit out in a loud booming monotone?
Think of it as the bronze age equivalent of an internet forum.
:horrormirth: :horrormirth: :horrormirth: